Judge to weigh whether WTC owners can seek money from airlines over 9/11

[Playinghardball]

judge who has presided over most of the litigation stemming from the Sept. 11 attacks will decide whether the owners of the World Trade Center can try to make aviation companies pay billions of dollars in damages.

U.S. District Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein said he will announce his decision immediately after hearing several witnesses and listening to arguments in a nonjury trial starting Monday and expected to last three days.

The trial will decide whether World Trade Center Properties and its affiliates can receive more than the $4.9 billion in insurance proceeds they have already recovered since the 9/11 attacks by terrorists who hijacked commercial airliners and flew them into the 110-story twin towers. The attacks led to the destruction of the towers as well as a third trade center building.

If the judge should decide that the World Trade Center owners were entitled to additional money, a liability trial might occur. The defendants include American Airlines Inc., AMR Corp., United Airlines Inc., US Airways Inc., Colgan Air Inc., Boeing Co. and the Massachusetts Port Authority, among others.

The airlines and other aviation-related companies were sued with the reasoning that they were negligent, allowing terrorists to board airplanes and overtake their crews before plunging the planes into the trade center complex, destroying three buildings.

More at: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/13/19456744-judge-to-weigh-whether-wtc-owners-can-seek-money-from-airlines-over-911?lite

I think that they should give George W. Bush the bill..

[RC]

1. Haven't they already profited enough yet?

[KansDem]

2. And the Saudis...

I think that they should give George W. Bush the bill..

They were in on it as well.

[olddots]

3. 1 2 3 4

[MrSlayer]

4. Where are the black boxes?

What do the tapes say?
Why have we never heard them?

Those could be important evidence in such a case.

LIHOP/MIHOP or "Official story" aside. I think the question of the black boxes is one everyone should have been asking for the past eleven years.

Oh, the airlines shouldn't be liable in any of the scenarios.

[jberryhill]

6. Do you know what this is?

[MrSlayer]

7. It doesn't look like a black box.

Does it?

[jberryhill]

19. Does it look like several floors of a building?

Because that is what it is.

What do you think the black boxes are made of? Indestructionium?

[MrSlayer]

20. Titanium.

Three layers of titanium, insulation and fireproofing. They're made to withstand incredibly high impacts, explosions, temperatures and pressures.

I do believe they recovered them.

But even if they didn't, where are the other two? Don't tell me standard crashes destroyed them as well because that's absolute bullshit.

[jberryhill]

21. That doesn't render them indestructible

[MrSlayer]

22. It's pretty damn close.

They recover these things from the bottom of the ocean where the pressure is at least that of tons of debris. And it's also likely that they flew free of the site and weren't crushed at all. Hell, they just recently found a piece of landing gear a few blocks up the street wedged high between two buildings.

And again, what about the other two boxes?

[Lurks Often]

8. I'm guessing the black boxes got crushed flat

when the buildings came down. A black box is robust, but not thousands of tons on top robust.

And I don't see how the airliners could be held responsible, 9/11 completely changed the hijacking dynamic.

It used to be if you were hijacked, you sat there quietly, hoped you weren't the nationality the hijackers hated and waited for the nice gentlemen from Delta, SAS or GSG-9 to come along and kill the hijackers.

Now, you do something even remotely suspicious on an airplane you get your ass kicked and spend the rest of the flight tied up.

[MrSlayer]

9. But they claim they didn't recover ANY of them.

They expect us to buy that Atta's passport was found in perfect condition a block away from the towers but that the boxes were not recoverable.

Let's just say for the sake of argument that those boxes were not found. I don't buy it but let's say that's true. Where are the other two? They recover the boxes from crashes all the time. At the very least the one from flight 93 should have been found with no problem. Where is it? Where is the one from the Pentagon? Why have we never heard the tapes? Why do they deny that they were ever found?

I've been wanting to hear those recordings from day one.

[Lurks Often]

10. Probably depends on the angle & speed of impact.

I've seen a number of photos of military aircraft that went into the ground almost straight down and you could fit the remains into a the back of a small pick up truck. Kind of looks like a car that got crushed, but much smaller considering the difference in size between a car and a military fighter.

As to the passport, for whatever reason it got blown free of the building. Can I explain with any proof why the passport ended up where it did, not at all, but I also won't build theories around it either.

[MrSlayer]

11. Right.

A whole lot of things that never, ever happened before or since went on that day.

But it's all just a coincidence I suppose.

[Logical]

13. You are a 9/11 truther I assume. Wrong forum. n-t

[MrSlayer]

16. No, just a realist.

Truther is a term put out there to associate people that have legitimate questions that have not been answered with the loons that claim there were no planes at all and other ludicrous nonsense.

[Logical]

17. Nothing unknown about 9/11. Except why Bush didn't see it coming. But keep believing it....

was some huge government plan or that they building were imploded. Or maybe you believe the jets were empty. There are so many factions of your side that I lose track of the different crazy theories.

[MrSlayer]

18. See, that's what you guys do.

Ascribe a bunch of nonsense to people with legitimate questions.

All I want to know is where the black boxes are and what is on the tapes. And I want to know why there is no video from the Pentagon, the most heavily secured building in the world with literally thousands of cameras on it.

Pretty simple. Forgive me if I don't trust the government's word considering how often they lie.

[Lurks Often]

15. Not interested in getting to a long conversation

about 9/11 and conspiracy theories. For the conspiracy theories to be right, 100's if not 1000's of people would have to have been on it and I can't believe that many people could keep it a secret.

[Logical]

12. Random chance. Why do people lost thinking every oddity is some conspiracy? n-t

[jberryhill]

5. Airplanes?

Well we have a number of experts here at DU who will be happy to be engaged by the airlines to prove there were no airplanes involved in 9/11.

[Logical]

14. Wow, more lawyers at work. 9/11 was no ones fault. If anyone's it was Bush. n-t