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arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 09:31 PM Jul 2013

I think Snowden has a way out now

I have already stated what I think of the guy and I hope he ends up in the US to answer for his crimes. But realistically, I think he has a way out now (other than accepting Ana Chapman's marriage proposal, which is what he ought to do.)

Anyway,Nicaragua and Venezuela have offered asylum. But like most countries they require the applicant to ask for it on their sovereign soil. This, however, includes embassies. Putin has already said a diplomatic car from the airport to an embassy would still allow him to continue to say he didn't let Snowden enter Russia. If the Nicaraguans send a car for him, take him to their embassy, grant him asylum and then issue him a passport, then fly him directly to Managua (which I think is logistically possible), he's made it.

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I think Snowden has a way out now (Original Post) arely staircase Jul 2013 OP
sounds reasonable, but what do I know cali Jul 2013 #1
Let's hope so. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #2
I believe either One of two countries can simply issue temporary travel document that will allow idwiyo Jul 2013 #3
he has to get to the embassy to apply for assylum nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #4
Do you know the distance from the airport to morningfog Jul 2013 #8
no, not familiar with moscow nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #10
Looks like about half an hour drive. morningfog Jul 2013 #29
is that venezuela's or nicaragua's embassy? arely staircase Jul 2013 #30
Venezuela, and I made the same assumption. morningfog Jul 2013 #40
Not sure he must. Don't forget, he already traveled on temporary papers issued by Ecuador. idwiyo Jul 2013 #9
no but it is the law/rule for most countries arely staircase Jul 2013 #11
One more point, either embassy can send a car to the airport to pick him. I believe that would be idwiyo Jul 2013 #12
yes said so in the OP. Putin said it too and that is what matters arely staircase Jul 2013 #14
Never mind me. Am slow today. :) idwiyo Jul 2013 #16
its all very interesting quinnox Jul 2013 #5
well my scenario hinges on one of those two countries actually being willing arely staircase Jul 2013 #7
Good assessment. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #13
Yup. The logistics will be interesting, but he should be able to stay out of prison. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #6
BUT Snowden can NOT leave the airport to go to the embassy... Tx4obama Jul 2013 #15
Minor Details... HipChick Jul 2013 #17
I'm not hoping he does any of this. I hope his next one way flight is to his arely staircase Jul 2013 #24
Not sure he is worth a hit to them flamingdem Jul 2013 #42
If he does go missing, the U.S. would get blamed for it Whisp Jul 2013 #67
Putin said an embassy car counts as not being in the country arely staircase Jul 2013 #18
The last thing I saw was the excerpt below Tx4obama Jul 2013 #23
I will search the googles arely staircase Jul 2013 #25
not Putin himself but unnamed Russian officials. arely staircase Jul 2013 #28
Thanks. That's interesting. Wonder.... Tx4obama Jul 2013 #32
i bet the russians would facilitate that part arely staircase Jul 2013 #34
So it's too far for a non-stop flight Incitatus Jul 2013 #63
Venezuela isn't too far arely staircase Jul 2013 #64
no regular scheduled commercial flights Moscow-Caracas HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #72
Why couldn't Venezuela issue him a passport? cali Jul 2013 #19
good question arely staircase Jul 2013 #21
My scenario is a little different since I never believed he left Hong Kong. Moscow was just a ruse. Cleita Jul 2013 #20
Interesting theory. arely staircase Jul 2013 #22
I don't think he knew at first. Cleita Jul 2013 #38
Snowden's US passport was still valid in Hong Kong. US canceled it after he arrived in Russia n/t Tx4obama Jul 2013 #27
I have been on non-stop international flights that ended up making a stop anyway.. HipChick Jul 2013 #36
In this case it would have to be somewhere in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Cleita Jul 2013 #41
I'm not making any more predictions. Robb Jul 2013 #26
I would have accepted Chapman's proposal LittleBlue Jul 2013 #31
absolutely arely staircase Jul 2013 #33
dude embarrassed the admin, he's a ghost. galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #35
Hes always had a way out. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #37
Cuba has an extradition treaty arely staircase Jul 2013 #39
No they do not. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #44
it would appear that they do arely staircase Jul 2013 #48
Evidently they did....in 1926, the date on your link!!! HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #53
the Revolution did not void all treaties. arely staircase Jul 2013 #56
I live in Florida, and have visited Cuba. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #59
I think you are wrong about that but for the sake of discussion will assume you are correct arely staircase Jul 2013 #61
There is no treaty. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #65
According to the State Department there is. The one from 1905 I posted was resigned in 1959 arely staircase Jul 2013 #68
Any treaty from 1959 no longer exists. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #69
why would it no longer exist? arely staircase Jul 2013 #71
Castro. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #74
link: HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #70
well I guess that shows us what wikianswers is worth since I posted one from them saying there is arely staircase Jul 2013 #73
State Dept listed treaty is 1959. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #75
Any treaty from '59 would have been signed by the Castro government nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #76
not necessarily. Batista could have signed it. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #77
Castro took power on January 1st of 1959 nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #78
And he probably voided the treaty when a US backed invasion attacked Cuba a couple years later. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #79
possibly, but I am guessing it is still on the books, as per the State Dept. website arely staircase Jul 2013 #80
There are dozens of U.S. fugitives in Cuba. former9thward Jul 2013 #47
so why hasn't he already gone there arely staircase Jul 2013 #49
Who knows? former9thward Jul 2013 #50
Occam's Razor arely staircase Jul 2013 #52
But they want all the other fugitives. former9thward Jul 2013 #54
Maybe they are less problematic? arely staircase Jul 2013 #57
Cuba has not offered asylum. They don't want him in limbo on their soil. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #55
no limbo, just a connecting flight to bolivia which has offered it. arely staircase Jul 2013 #58
No. Until he had a destination after Havana... HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #60
I don't disagree with any of that but one point arely staircase Jul 2013 #62
Here's the catch ProSense Jul 2013 #43
Russians have already said a diplomatic car to an embassy would be acceptable arely staircase Jul 2013 #45
And he still could be nabbed in that scenario. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #46
oh I think one of his biggest fears arely staircase Jul 2013 #51
Yeah, he needs some place to hide. I just read Iceland actually rejected him.. Cha Jul 2013 #66
Venezuela and Nicaragua have already offered asylum. nt HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #81

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
3. I believe either One of two countries can simply issue temporary travel document that will allow
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 09:34 PM
Jul 2013

one to fly without even leaving airport.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
8. Do you know the distance from the airport to
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 09:54 PM
Jul 2013

the embassies in question? I could find out, butane you or someone else has it at the ready.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
9. Not sure he must. Don't forget, he already traveled on temporary papers issued by Ecuador.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 09:54 PM
Jul 2013

Absolutely nothing stops any country from issuing temporary papers to anyone. There is no international law that prohibits it. I doubt there is an international law that states 'ye shall go to consulate first to obtain refugee status or it doesn't count'. It's up to a particular country to decide how they grant the status.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
11. no but it is the law/rule for most countries
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 09:57 PM
Jul 2013

Venezuela already said he had to and Nicaragua said certain conditions had to be met and I assume this is what they mean.

Ecuador said the same thing. But that was different because even if they had granted it, it was too long a flight for a non-stop.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
12. One more point, either embassy can send a car to the airport to pick him. I believe that would be
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 09:58 PM
Jul 2013

considered acceptable as this would be a diplomatic car.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
14. yes said so in the OP. Putin said it too and that is what matters
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:00 PM
Jul 2013

as far as him travelling with the papers earlier, yeah, that got him to the Moscow airport and no further. the point is a country that will let him stay that is in non-stop flying distance.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
5. its all very interesting
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 09:38 PM
Jul 2013

we shall see. I'm not convinced he is scot-free yet, the USA has a lot of tricks up its sleeves, as would be expected by the Worlds number one power. I hope he does find political asylum though. But the USA might still get him before that happens, unfortunately. This is a fascinating story to watch in any case.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
7. well my scenario hinges on one of those two countries actually being willing
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 09:45 PM
Jul 2013

to do all of those things as opposed to just saying it. the Nicaraguans said "certain conditions" had to be met. If that just means fulfilling a being on Nicaraguan soil to apply, the embassy covers that. it also hinges on them having a plane that can fly from Moscow to Managua - and I don't know if they do.

But the US has many economic cards to play short of embargoes (which I don't think we'd be willing to do against Venezuela over this). Nicaragua maybe.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
15. BUT Snowden can NOT leave the airport to go to the embassy...
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:04 PM
Jul 2013

In order to get out of the airport to enter Russia Snowden has to have a passport to get thru customs. And also I believe he has to have a visa to enter Russia.

Until Snowden is able to get his papers in order he will be confined to his room in the locked wing of the hotel.
Security guards and cameras watch the people on that floor of the locked wing.
And even the elevators are locked on that floor.

IF he were to get out of the airport - somehow - he would be legally 'in Russia'.

Then the Russians could pick him up and detain him.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
17. Minor Details...
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:07 PM
Jul 2013
I'll hold my judgement until i see pics of him waving from a beach...there still plenty points of failure for him to be nabbed...I would not celebrate yet...
Even if the US does not get him now, they will get him eventually...Intelligence/Black Ops prob have a target on his back

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
24. I'm not hoping he does any of this. I hope his next one way flight is to his
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:18 PM
Jul 2013

arraignment before a federal judge on espionage charges. I was just looking at it in a bonehead game theory way. He does at least theoretically have two things now: countries willing to let him apply for asylum that are ALSO in non-stop flying distance. Question is, are those countries serious about helping him or just mouthing off. It was easy for Ecuador because they could always say they would do it but fall back on, well there is no way for him to get here. Venezuela and Nicaragua can actually come through if they mean it.

flamingdem

(39,303 posts)
42. Not sure he is worth a hit to them
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:42 PM
Jul 2013

But he will have to live with paranoia all his life

In caracas it could be passed off as street crime pretty easily. .. That is if he ever goes out again

But yay and all!

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
67. If he does go missing, the U.S. would get blamed for it
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 12:10 AM
Jul 2013

even if they didn't have anything to do with it at all.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
18. Putin said an embassy car counts as not being in the country
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:07 PM
Jul 2013

I don't have a link but I am pretty sure about that. If Ecuador had done it, they still couldn't have gotten him to Ecuador - too far.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
23. The last thing I saw was the excerpt below
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:18 PM
Jul 2013

-snip-

Russian officials have kept Snowden at arm's length since he landed from Hong Kong on June 23, saying the transit area where passengers stay between flights is neutral territory and he will be on Russian soil only if he goes through passport control.

-snip-

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/07/04/usa-security-russia-idINDEE9630C220130704



I haven't seen anything yet about an 'embassy car' but would like to see it if you happen to come across the link.



arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
28. not Putin himself but unnamed Russian officials.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:22 PM
Jul 2013

Officials in Russia, which has made clear it wants Snowden to leave, say an embassy car would be considered foreign territory if a country picked him up.

http://www.voanews.com/content/snowden-aslym-options-dwindle-reuters/1693620.html

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
32. Thanks. That's interesting. Wonder....
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:28 PM
Jul 2013

Wonder if he could get to the car though without going thru customs first.

So many questions without answers still



arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
34. i bet the russians would facilitate that part
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:32 PM
Jul 2013

they want him gone and are willing to do anything short of handing him over to us. that has to be his biggest fear too. a backroom deal between the Russians and the US. How is this? Sure Mr. Snowden here is your car to the Nicaraguan Embassy. What are they really up to would go through my mind.

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
63. So it's too far for a non-stop flight
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 11:39 PM
Jul 2013

I wonder if there's a way to transport him from the airport to an Ecuador ship in International waters and of that would legally give him safe passage

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
19. Why couldn't Venezuela issue him a passport?
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:08 PM
Jul 2013

And why couldn't he get a visa subsequent to that?

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
21. good question
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:11 PM
Jul 2013

if they gave him the passport, flew him to Caracas he could ask for asylum then. no need for the embassy trip.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
20. My scenario is a little different since I never believed he left Hong Kong. Moscow was just a ruse.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:10 PM
Jul 2013

Now that he has secured asylum, he is probably on his way to Venezuela or Nicaragua, depending on his choice. China never had a problem with him leaving because they rejected the extradition request from us. I believe there are direct flights from Hong Kong to Caracas so there would be no need to stop in any other country to refuel nor request flight space over other countries because mostly the flight will be over the ocean. Now I don't know if any airline does it, but it could work if they do.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
38. I don't think he knew at first.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:38 PM
Jul 2013

My thought is that when the news surfaced that Snowden was in fact holed up in the transit zone of the Moscow airport, he got his goons to thoroughly search everything there and learn everything they could from everybody, workers, maids and passengers. He is KGB. He is able to. He is Putin. There seems to have been nothing. No one has seen Snowden unless he's invisible. They didn't find anything. But by that time, Pooty had made some TV appearances indicating he seemed to know about it, so he couldn't just come out and say , we don't know where he is.

So he just pretended that he wanted him out of the country. He wasn't going to extradite him from the transit zone because supposedly it is verboten. Really? If he could have gotten his hands on him and his lap tops you can be sure Snowden would be in Siberia by now and our secrets would be neatly filed in the Kremlin under bribery and blackmail as needed. But he's just playing the I have washed my hands of this in public and I really don't know anything game. But I'm sure he has been in touch with Maduro and Morales over the developments and is very interested in the outcome.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
27. Snowden's US passport was still valid in Hong Kong. US canceled it after he arrived in Russia n/t
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:21 PM
Jul 2013

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
36. I have been on non-stop international flights that ended up making a stop anyway..
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:36 PM
Jul 2013

Trust me its no guarantee..

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
41. In this case it would have to be somewhere in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:42 PM
Jul 2013

Look at the Google and it seems there are many airlines that do it mostly American ones so that's a problem.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
26. I'm not making any more predictions.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:20 PM
Jul 2013

I got burned with Assange.

...Although I maintain the enormous diplomatic pouch is a brilliant if untested tactic which may yet have some application for young Snowden.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
33. absolutely
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:29 PM
Jul 2013

she is already a TV personality there and they could totally be the Russian Kardashians (spy-style.)

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
37. Hes always had a way out.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:36 PM
Jul 2013

The problem being he can't board a plane until a destination country will accept him.
Fortunately for Snowden, Obama's ham-fisted actions in forcing down President Morales's plane has resulted in asylum offers from Latin American countries. Way to go Obama!
Aeroflot has several flights weekly Moscow to Havana. Airbus 330s axnd Boeing 767s. Either makes the flight non-stop. Once in Havana, Snowden can visit the embassy of his choice and file asylum papers. Then simply get aboard a plane to Venezuela or Nicaragua.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
39. Cuba has an extradition treaty
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:39 PM
Jul 2013

with the US. Not to mention a government working like never before to improve relations with the US.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
44. No they do not.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:47 PM
Jul 2013

They have cooperated with the US in some cases, not in others. There are many US fugitives in Cuba they refuse to extradict. And if Snowden is met at the plane by Venezuelan officials, Cuba will not interfere. Cuba and Venezuela are on good terms.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
56. the Revolution did not void all treaties.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 11:11 PM
Jul 2013

you think Castro signed off on the Guantanamo naval base? The treaty is still in effect. Now you are right that he could decline to enforce it. Which gets back to my question of why he hasn't. Any thoughts? Why isn't Snowden doing the Salsa in Havana or at least waiting for his connection to Bolivia?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
59. I live in Florida, and have visited Cuba.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 11:17 PM
Jul 2013

There is no extradition treaty currently in effect, nor has there been for 50+ years.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
61. I think you are wrong about that but for the sake of discussion will assume you are correct
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 11:26 PM
Jul 2013

and even if I am right the government there clearly enforces the treaty how they see fit. Which still leaves the question, why hasn't he travelled through there on his way to Ecuador or Bolivia? Now he needs a passport or other valid travel documents. Ecuador isn't going to do it having been burned once already. But Bolivia could do it. And Venezuela could do it and one assumes they will if they are serious about the asylum. However I think he can fly directly to Venezuela from Moscow in which case Cuba becomes a moot point.



 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
65. There is no treaty.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 11:59 PM
Jul 2013

There is no US Embassy. Swiss embassy handles US diplomatic communications with Cuba. Sometimes they turn over a fugitive, sometimes not. Its on a case by case basis...no treaty involved. I know this for fact. It comes up in local news on yearly basis when a wanted person flees to Cuba. Last year a couple who kidnapped their sons from state custody fled to Cuba. Guy had a history of drugs and violence, so Cuba was all too eager to return them. OTOH, a guy I barely knew in Sarasota embezzled a bunch of money 20 years ago and fled to Cuba. Hes still there.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
68. According to the State Department there is. The one from 1905 I posted was resigned in 1959
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 12:15 AM
Jul 2013
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/71600.pdf

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_Cuba_have_an_extradition_treaty_with_the_United_States

even if enforced at said government's convenience. so there is on paper but in reality not so much. and of course the US doesn't abide by it either. For instance the right wing terrorist who blew up the Cuban jetliner who was also a big friend of Poppy Bush.







 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
69. Any treaty from 1959 no longer exists.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 12:26 AM
Jul 2013

Cuba may or may not extradict a fugitive at their discretion. Same goes with US. There are plenty of Cuban fugitives here. The general recent trend is to return fugitives wanted for violent or drug crimes, and give asylum to others. I can only speculate, but I think Cuba didn't offer asylum to Snowden b/c his computer skills worried them. Cuba is thumbs down on internet activity by its citizens.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
73. well I guess that shows us what wikianswers is worth since I posted one from them saying there is
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 12:34 AM
Jul 2013

one.

more importantly the state department says there is.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
75. State Dept listed treaty is 1959.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 12:37 AM
Jul 2013

Been defunct since Castro took over. How many times do i have to explain?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
77. not necessarily. Batista could have signed it.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 12:50 AM
Jul 2013

and no matter who signed it, all it takes is one party to say "we're no longer abiding by the treaty" and its done. Treaties are made and broken all the time. They aren't carved in stone. They only exis fort as long as both parties want them to.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
80. possibly, but I am guessing it is still on the books, as per the State Dept. website
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 02:15 AM
Jul 2013

he may have, but I honestly don't remember ever reading he voided all treaties with the US. I know he specifically did not void the one that gives the US the right to use Guantanamo Bay as a naval station. But obviously that would be a lot harder. The Castro government did sign a specific agreement with the US to deal with hijackings in the late 60s early 70s to deal with the rash of planes forced to go there. "Take this plane to Cuba" entered the national lexicon at the time.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
57. Maybe they are less problematic?
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 11:15 PM
Jul 2013

I will concede Cuba enforces said treaty at their convenience. But the fact those others haven't been extradited would make it seem like Snowden could go there. Yet he hasn't, which leads me back to he probably isn't welcome.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
55. Cuba has not offered asylum. They don't want him in limbo on their soil.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 11:04 PM
Jul 2013

He can't board a plane until a country has indicated they will accept him. Now that a couple have, it is no problem to fly to Havana, and on to his destination from there.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
58. no limbo, just a connecting flight to bolivia which has offered it.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 11:16 PM
Jul 2013

he has no passport, but the bolivian's could issue him one.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
60. No. Until he had a destination after Havana...
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 11:24 PM
Jul 2013

...he can't leave Moscow. Cuba doesn't want him (evidently), he wouldn't be permitted to hang in limbo at Havana airport. Now that a country has accepted him, there is no reason Cuba wouldn't allow him to change planes in Havana.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
62. I don't disagree with any of that but one point
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 11:30 PM
Jul 2013

I made it in a reply to another of your posts and will ignore this subthread now so we aren't carrying on the same conversation in two places.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
43. Here's the catch
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:44 PM
Jul 2013
Maduro did not say how Snowden, marooned in the vast transit zone of Moscow’s Sheremetyevo Airport since landing there from Hong Kong on June 23, would get to Caracas. But Venezuela has close diplomatic ties with Russia’s leader, Vladimir Putin, and his government has long shown it will go to often extraordinary lengths to counter U.S. influence.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/snowden-makes-six-new-asylum-applications-wikileaks-says/2013/07/05/9e6417f4-e5b3-11e2-80eb-3145e2994a55_story.html

It still depends on Russia and solving the travel problem.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
45. Russians have already said a diplomatic car to an embassy would be acceptable
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:47 PM
Jul 2013

at least they have said that anonymously off the record. real question is do the Venezuelans really back up their talk?

But they could make it happen. Asylum granted at embassy, passport issued and off to the Bolivarian People's Republic for libertarian Eddie.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
51. oh I think one of his biggest fears
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:57 PM
Jul 2013

is Putin figuring out a way to hand him over without it looking like he does. "Here is your limo to the ______ embassy Mr. Snowden." mahahaha.

Question is how does the US nab him without looking like we nabbed him and Putin not looking like he let us? Probably something the old KGB hand is mulling over now.

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