Evo Morales' plane WAS NOT "forced" down. This is how a lie spreads.

[Cali_Democrat]

Why did the plane land in Austria? Well rather than listening to the media and the internet keyboard warriors, why not just refer to the audio from the cockpit?

Control tower: Do you need any assistance?

Pilot: Not at this moment. We need to land because we cannot get a correct indication of the fuel indication so as a precaution we need to land.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/07/tale-re-routed-bolivian-presidents-plane-falling-apart/66838/

Forced down? Well according to this thread, the plane was indeed forced down:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023176980

So who to believe? Some hack editorial or the pilot himself?

[HipChick]

1. Some would rather believe lies and Obama bash

than believe exactly what happened..

[cyclezealot]

51. and why then did

France apologize to Morales.

[ZombieHorde]

66. I thought France apologized for denying their request to land.

That is different than forcing down or piracy or anything like that. Still not nice, but a different type of offense.

[nineteen50]

70. passive-aggressive

[IrishAyes]

64. Makes 'em feel powerful, I guess

The pitiful little weasels.

[nineteen50]

74. Protect Obama at all costs. What would you be saying if it were Bush

I know nothing. Blind allegiance.

[MNBrewer]

113. Some would rather believe lies and defend him to the death

[sgtbenobo]

2. Jeezus Cali ....

.... you are just embarrassing yourself now.

[woo me with science]

24. War is Peace.

Freedom is Slavery.
Ignorance is Strength.

and now Truth is Lies.

Shame on you.

[galileoreloaded]

41. u r funny!!!!

[morningfog]

46. Someone posted a threa celebrating the downing of the plane.

Oh, that was you.

[Octafish]

55. Ignorance is Strength.

“We have been in contact with a range of countries that had a chance of having Snowden land or travel through their countries.” -- Jen Psaki, US State Department spokeswoman.

[RudynJack]

20. i can't imagine how.

Anyine claiming he plane was forced down should be embarrassed.

[IrishAyes]

73. People should always be embarrassed when they lie

or promote stupidity. President Obama could walk on water, and the GOP and their shills would howl that he can't swim.

In a way I'm almost glad to hear such talk, though, because I think/hope that the very savagery of their hate will rebound against them. Remember how McCarthy met his end?

[HumansAndResources]

128. The GOP supports Snowden now?

I must have missed that.

A block of nations working in cooperation with the USA forbade the plane from entering their airspace. The plane circled and circled, began running low on fuel, and was allowed, for emergency reasons (per the released recording), to land in Austria, where a 'search' of the plane for Snowden was requested (whether it happened is a matter of debate, but the Austrians claimed to have verified his absence).

"No fuel" has the same effect as shooting out the engines, given this was a 'jet' - not a "glider." - so, yes it was effectively "forced down."

The French have apologized and the Spanish have said they "were told" Mr. Snowden was on board. This would seem to be ample verification of the events in question - and, clearly, a "plot" to snatch Mr. Snowden en-route to South America.

I put up my take on John Pilger's response to this "incident" here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11331514

As regards the notion that any criticism of US Policy, while Obama is in office, is tantamount to support of the GOP, I will quote Douglas Adams:

"take me to your Lizard."

&quot The robot) comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..."

"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"

"No," said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like to straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."

"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."

"I did," said Ford. "It is."

"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?"

"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."

"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"

"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."

"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"

"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in.

Unfortunately, it would seem that David Icke took this clever allegory to be a non-fictional account.

[Auntie Bush]

50. Why???? is she embarrassing herself?

[Zoeisright]

138. Jeezus sgtbenobo

you are just embarrassing yourself now.

[flamingdem]

3. Someday we'll get a book about this incident

Until then it's useful for Emoproj outrage which now includes a Latin American component and knowledge of airport protocol

[msanthrope]

4. Obviously, the pilot's part of the BFEE. nt

[Octafish]

58. Rev Moon was part of the BFEE and he set up shop in Bolivia to deal cocaine with the NAZI Barbie.

Klaus Barbie, one of the many NAZI war criminals who escaped justice.

Dark Side of Rev. Moon (Cont.): Drug Allies

(Posted in 1997)
By Robert Parry

EXCERPT...

Moon & the Putschists

Among the first well-wishers arriving in La Paz to congratulate the new government was Moon's top lieutenant, Bo Hi Pak. The Moon organization published a photo of Pak meeting with Gen. Garcia Meza. After the visit to the mountainous capital, Pak declared, "I have erected a throne for Father Moon in the world's highest city."

According to later Bolivian government and newspaper reports, a Moon representative invested about $4 million in preparations for the coup. Bolivia's WACL representatives also played key roles, and CAUSA, one of Moon's anti-communist organizations, listed as members nearly all the leading Bolivian coup-makers. [CAIB, Winter 1986]

After the coup, Arce-Gomez went into partnership with big narco-traffickers, including Trafficante's Cuban-American smugglers. Klaus Barbie and his neo-fascists got a new assignment: protecting Bolivia's major cocaine barons and transporting drugs to the border. [Cocaine Politics]

"The paramilitary units -- conceived by Barbie as a new type of SS -- sold themselves to the cocaine barons," concluded Hermann. "The attraction of fast money in the cocaine trade was stronger than the idea of a national socialist revolution in Latin America."

According to Levine, Arce-Gomez boasted to one top trafficker: "We will flood America's borders with cocaine." It was boast that the coup-makers backed up.

"Bolivia soon became the principal supplier of cocaine base to the then fledgling Colombian cartels, making themselves the main suppliers of cocaine to the United States," Levine said. "And it could not have been done without the tacit help of DEA and the active, covert help of the CIA."

CONTINUED...

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/moon6.html

So, yes. The BFEE has had a major and nefarious impact on the history of Bolivia.

I'd bet you knew that, msanthrope, but you didn't want to bring it up in polite company.

[msanthrope]

126. Don't you ever change Octafish! nt

[frazzled]

5. People believe what they want to believe

Even when shown evidence that it is not correct. Their need to believe is stronger than their need to assess the facts and analyze objectively.

We usually think of rabid right-wingers hewing to that kind of thinking. But, alas, that human desire to create a narrative that supports their own preconceived beliefs is not confined only to the right.

[markiv]

6. that, and the minor issue of a giant 'air wall' in their path

that did not allow them to go forward

not allowing you to continue, is for all practical purposes, the same as forcing you down

[Rex]

11. Is an 'air wall' like a no-fly zone?

nt.

[Kolesar]

17. It could be an 'air head' that we just encountered...eom

[Aerows]

43. Could be.

Wouldn't be you or Rex though. You have the sense to just lurk in threads and then make non-committal statements.

I'm dumb enough to say what I really think.

[truebluegreen]

84. DUzy!

[Trekologer]

7. The pilot didn't declare an emergency either

Clearly there was an issue with the plane that the pilots determined required a diversion but not enough of an issue to declare an emergency.

[RobertEarl]

8. Snowden is now safely in Austria?

The international court is there. The Hague, right?

They'll never get him out of Austria.

And I hear the Austrian Ladies are oh so fine.

[struggle4progress]

19. Holland. Austria. Palau. Tibet. It's somewhere over there in Africa

[RobertEarl]

27. Wikileaks is wise

They put their man in the best place possible.

Obama should hire Bush to go in and extract Snowden. Bwahahaha.

[IrishAyes]

78. My dad was named Francis

After the saint, and I think both would be taken with your paraphrase. I love it too.

As they say, friends help you move. Real friends help you move the body.

[railsback]

9. I heard the Atlantic is a 'neocon rag' and shouldn't be trusted commenting on foreign matters

unlike the Guardian UK, commenting on foreign matters. Its all so confusing. Disagree, and get Snowdened.

[Tx4obama]

10. K&R. Hopefully folks will listen the audio

... and stop spreading misinformation.

[Cali_Democrat]

69. Notice how angry people get when you smash their narrative with facts?

And they think personal attacks will stop me?

Not. A. Chance.

I thrive on personal attacks. They only make me more determined.

Cheers, Tex.

[IrishAyes]

81. BTW

I read your hidden post and liked it.

[okaawhatever]

12. I have already objected in a couple of responses to the use of "forced down". It is

just another example of the desperate rhetoric of those trying to keep this alive. Also, the most vehement supporters of Morales and his behavior are those who constantly post anti-Obama, anti-American posts. Many of whom don't live in this country.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

13. Somebody should tell Morales.

[Tx4obama]

15. Morales knows, but Boliva and Venezuela aren't going to pass up the chance to bash The USA n/t

[JDPriestly]

45. Please see the story according to the Austrian news in my post #32.

[Thinkingabout]

16. Isn't it interesting some jump on a lie, ready to umpeach several based on a total lie.

But again it is some of the same ones declaring Snowden a hero and thinking how blessed they are to have Snowden.

[JDPriestly]

42. Please see the story according to the Austrian news in my post #32.

[Thinkingabout]

79. Did this article say the plane was forced down?

[JDPriestly]

127. Why else would they have landed in Vienna and spent 13 hours there?

Why else would the association of South American countries have asked for apologies from Italy, France, Portugal and Spain and accused them of violating an international treaty.

I would not expect the Austrians to weigh in on whether the plane was forced down. The pilot had been circling around trying to find a country that would allow it to refuel without an agreement to permit a search of the plane for Snowden.

Why is it so difficult for some DUers to accept the truth. The French have already apologized.

There really isn't any question at this point.

[IrishAyes]

82. Then let 'em join him in limboland or jail, whichever,

the sooner the better.

[Marr]

18. God, I hope they don't pay you much.

You're really shit at this.

[KittyWampus]

23. ah, but reactionary screamers scream for free. Underneath the old elm tree.

[Marr]

25. I don't understand.

Can you rephrase that in the form of a map?

[Aerows]

35. or a flight path

that doesn't include circling Moscow.

[KittyWampus]

60. Here you go, so you don't miss it.

[Aerows]

63. LMFAO!

I like that!

[Bobbie Jo]

111. This post is full of WIN

Nicely done.

ETA: Bullshit hide downthread. The vindictive is strong with this bunch.

[Number23]

116. The hides in this thread are laughable. TxforObama gets a post hidden for saying "Snowdenbot"

while someone alleges the OP is paid and that he's shit at what's he's doing and it's still there.

[SidDithers]

121. Like Latin American leaders, the hair-on-fire brigade have got each other's backs...nt

Sid

[Bobbie Jo]

125. Yeah, vindictive and petty

Some people treat this board like a freakin video game.

But....DU has always been this way.

[Cali_Democrat]

131. LOL Kitty

Love it

[QC]

48. It's really quite simple.

[KittyWampus]

62. Irrelevant, but here you go… in case you missed my other posts.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

136. You're such a sweet person

[JDPriestly]

39. I already showed you the story from the Austrian press.

Thank God. They did not kill Morales and his crew in their zeal to catch Snowden.

Who knows? Maybe the point of forcing Morales to stay in the air was to kill him. That is what the government minister with Morales has proposed -- that the goal was to kill Morales.

This is serious stuff.

The Bolivians at one point said that if Bolivia had been a more developed country, our violation of diplomatic immunity and the law with regard to Bolivia's presidential plane would have been a causus belli, and act of war.

This if for real, not a game.

[KittyWampus]

61. FFS, now they were close to killing Morales.

[Caretha]

105. I'm sure among

other accomplishments, you are an international pilot and know all sorts of stuff about fuel consumption, international flight plan laws and how they were derived, so you will excuse me if I offer a link to that info since you already know it all.


http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-flight-plan.htm\

A flight plan is a document which provides detailed information about a planned flight. The document is filed with aviation officials, and forwarded to officials at the plane's destinations or way points to ensure that they have the data in hand. Filing a flight plan is required by law in many cases, and it is also a good idea from a safety perspective, as it ensures that if a flight goes missing, someone will start looking for it.

Several pieces of information are included in a flight plan. The names of the captain, crew, and passengers are included, along with descriptions of any cargo which may be carried. The type of aircraft is also discussed, as is the type of flight, indicating whether the pilot will be flying with instruments, or under visual flight rules. The flight plan also details the departure and arrival points of the aircraft, the estimated route the plane will take, and the expected duration of the flight.

In addition to providing this basic data, a flight plan also usually details alternate airports which it will use in the event of an emergency. It may also specifically address concerns about controlled or restricted airspace, and other issues which may come up during the flight. The idea is to create a complete picture of what is going to occur on the flight, and to demonstrate that the crew have prepared for unexpected events.

From an air traffic control perspective, flight plans are very important, as they alert officials to the presence of planes in the sky. Using filed flight plan data, controllers can time the arrival and departure of planes, and send out specific information about the altitude and heading which various planes should follow to avoid collisions. Without flight plan information, air traffic controllers would find their jobs would be much more complicated than they already are.

Another concern is fuel consumption, because planes burn a lot of fuel, and running out of gas in the middle of the sky is not a desirable occurrence. Using information provided by the manufacturer of the aircraft, the person who files the flight plan can estimate how much fuel will be used, and whether or not it will be necessary to stop and refuel. Fuel allowances must also account for bad weather, which could increase fuel consumption, and in some regions, pilots are mandated to carry extra fuel so that they are prepared in the event of an unexpected event, which could vary from needing to hover over an airport to wait to land to losing fuel due to damage.

[idwiyo]

47. Thank you for publicly condemning your own behaviour! I agree, that OP of yours was The Most Epic

Fail Ever!

[Life Long Dem]

31. Why not just refer to the audio from the cockpit?

[IrishAyes]

83. I just want you to know

You've inspired only the second alert I've ever sent in. Look in the mirror when you say that, buster.

[Marr]

114. I'm quaking with fear.

Sorry, but I'm sick of the apologists and their kneejerk character assassinations. Your little troupe doesn't want to argue in support of administration policies, so you just go straight to smearing anyone who makes them look bad. It's the exact same behavior we used to see from the Bushbots-- only we all agreed it was sickening back then.

[IrishAyes]

124. Must we

respond to your every beck and call for a prolonged exposition on every point which you would proceed to reject out of hand? I think not, dear. You don't listen, so why should we waste too much breath on you? An occasional lob over the barricades better suits the occasion in such company as yours.

[Puglover]

134. That's what I was thinking about a couple others.

If they are paid they really really suck at their job.

[riqster]

21. Between the Freepers-in-Dems-clothing, and

The self-destructive wing of the party, I am getting scared of another one of the Left's idiotic abdication routines in 2014.

Thanks for posting a fact-based article.

[SunSeeker]

77. +1

[totodeinhere]

104. I don't understand what this even has to do with Democrats. France has admitted to having denied its

airspace to the plane and has apologized for it. But somehow you and others are turning this into some sort of political issue for Democrats? I don't get it.

[cthulu2016]

22. This OP is, given everything else we (and YOU) know, in effect a willful lie. Please delete it.

You know very well the plane did not really land because of a broken fuel gauge. You KNOW that the pilot's given excuse is, at this point, given everything that followed, not the reason.

You KNOW that you are peddling garbage. Are you trying to deceive some class of even dumber people here?

I am just disgusted by this.

[Egalitarian Thug]

34. One must never let reality interfere with the process of truth-spinning. Most Bestest President ever

has, once again, been failed by his not-so-faithful first-line minions. So, now it's up to the chorus to drown out the blasphemers.

[HooptieWagon]

102. Good analysis.

[magellan]

26. After circling Vienna for some time

...and worrying that they wouldn't be allowed to land there. Remember they were denied overflight permission to complete the first leg of their route home, while in the air, so the possibility of being fobbed off in Vienna as well had to be a concern. This audio is right before they land. The pilot raises an issue with the fuel indicator for the first time, and lo and behold, he's immediately given landing instructions. Because in ATC you don't mess around with technical faults. You land the plane.

If you can prove this was other than a ruse by the pilot to get the plane on the ground in Vienna, then please do. Maybe a Viennese mechanic can scan the repair order for you?

[cthulu2016]

28. The OP knows all that. The OP is LYING for AMUSEMENT

[Aerows]

30. I'm past the point of even caring if I get alerted upon

I've been a mod here at DU, had a great track record, and then a swarm of people that want to warp the truth swarm in. Doesn't matter to me if they warp the truth, I don't have to go along with it, and won't.

I was here before they got here, and I'll be here long after.

[nashville_brook]

33. +1

it's worth the price of admission to watch the train wreck.

[Aerows]

40. I wouldn't go that far

but it is a train wreck to be sure, and I have stopped to look at it .

[magellan]

57. I know. I can't help myself.

"Someone is wrong in GD!!"

[JDPriestly]

36. Please see the story according to the Austrian news in my post #32.

[magellan]

56. Thanks!

That's not far off what I surmised had happened, given the available information.

It sure makes a helluva lot more sense than insisting Morales (and Putin) orchestrated the entire thing just to make Obama look bad.

[Aerows]

29. "This is how a lie spreads"

You'd know, in this week I've gotten familiar with you.

[JDPriestly]

32. Here is the report from the Austrian newspaper, Die Presse, perhaps the most revered newspaper

in Austria.

The Falcon 900 should never have flown over Austria. But then the pilot supposedly reported problems with the gas gauge and requested permission to land in Vienna's Schwechat airport. On board the plane which was coming from Moskow and on which was written, "multinational state of Bolivia": President Evo Morales.

It landed around 11 P.M. Soon thereafter, the Vienna foreign ministry received an urgent call. On the other end of the line: US Ambassador William Eacho. As Die Presse discovered, he claimed with great certainty that Edward Snowden, the person sought by the US for having uncovered the most recent surveillance scandal was on board (the plane). Eacho referred to a diplomatic note in which the USA requested the extradition of Snowden.

Die Falcon 900 hätte Österreich nur überfliegen sollen. Doch dann meldeten die Piloten angeblich Probleme mit der Treibstoffanzeige und baten um Landeerlaubnis in Wien-Schwechat. An Bord der aus Moskau kommenden Maschine mit der Aufschrift "Estado plurinacional de Bolivia": Präsident Evo Morales.

Sie landete gegen 23 Uhr. Kurz danach ging im Wiener Außenamt ein dringlicher Anruf ein. Am anderen Ende der Leitung: US-Botschafter William Eacho. Wie "Die Presse" erfuhr, behauptete er mit großer Bestimmtheit, dass Edward Snowden an Bord sei, der von den USA gesuchte Aufdecker jüngster Abhörskandale. Eacho habe auf eine diplomatische Note verwiesen, in der die USA die Auslieferung Snowdens verlangten.

http://diepresse.com/home/politik/aussenpolitik/1426275/USA-verlangten-von-Wien-Snowdens-Auslieferung

Morales could not finish his trip with stopping to refuel. That is why the pilot changed the message. He needed to convey the urgency of landing to refuel.

Morales spent about 13 hours in the Vienna airport and insists that he did not permit anyone to search his plane.

[Egalitarian Thug]

37. Don't you ever tire of constantly being exposed? n/t

[IrishAyes]

86. Do you think quoting Adams will gloss over your undue attack on Cali?

Whose ardent supporter I'm proud to be.

You chose your username well. Especially the second half.

[Egalitarian Thug]

95. To think that Sam Adams' quote is a ruse to gloss over my positions is symptomatic of

the defect in the logic of your cadre. He was writing to, and about, people just like you. You're not helping, so at least have the decency to get the hell out of the way.

[IrishAyes]

99. Did I upset you just a little?

I SURE AS HELL HOPE SO! You have zero room to preach ethics to anyone anywhere anytime. BTW, I'm proud to be a member of my cadre, though you apparently are clueless to what that really is.

(sniff) Now I must retire to a corner and hide while considering the alleged error of my ways. Boo hoo.

[Egalitarian Thug]

107. Not even a little. I'm way past the point that the opinions of the terminally selfish

carry any weight with me at all. I don't seek your counsel or alliance, your failure to adhere to any principles at puts you squarely in the category of useless and imminently expendable.

As this latest theatrical production clearly shows, the world has indeed changed.

[IrishAyes]

122. Oh, wow!

Thou art so holey and self-righteous it maketh me want to puke. What a fine little mudslinger thou art!

[Egalitarian Thug]

130. Not self-righteous, just right, and I'm pretty sure an atheist can't be holey.

[IrishAyes]

133. "holey"

That was no typo or misspelling, dear thug, but a deliberate statement that you're full of holes.

Anyway, good morning and congratulations! You're the first smartass I've ever put on Ignore. I shall enjoy the fresh air. Feel free to respond in kind, won't you?

[Egalitarian Thug]

137. Not a chance. Reading the absurdities proposed as rational thought here

is what makes it worth stopping by. I used to think that determined, purposeful ignorance was a specifically republican trait.

[Tarheel_Dem]

38. That's S.O.P. here at LU.

[frylock]

44. this is some lying ass bullshit right here..

keep up the good work.

[morningfog]

49. Yes, he was forced down. Portugal refused

landing. France refused airspace to get to Spain. They all were told Snowden was on the plane and that is why they acted. All facts.

[Civilization2]

52. This original post is how you prove you miss the point entirely. And over and over,.. . .

You have posted this exact same nonsense in a bunch of threads., cut and past style.

Ok we get it, you have difficulty with the higher concept of a plane requiring fuel to stay aloft. Let me try to explain it to you. Jet aircraft function by burning fuel to produce forward thrust, thus achieving lift. When a plane runs out of said fuel, it can no longer fly. i.e. it is forced to land.

You see when a plane is forced off its declared flight path, by being refused airspace access and/or landing privileges, it is FORCED by its need for fuel to land. I know this a seemingly simple concept, however it is apparently totally lost on you,. for some reason. Perhaps your incessant re-posting of your landing dilemma has more to do with something other than a search for the truth?

People will make up their own minds, and most of us do understand what 'forced to land' means in this context.

[HooptieWagon]

75. OP isn't interested in facts.

Only spreading lies to protect Dear Leader from valid criticism.

[Civilization2]

80. truly,. it is sad and more than a little bit pathetic really.

anything to avoid dealing with the real issues; the corporate-military intelligence complex has seized power and is running amok,. the mad push to capture the messenger instead of explaining the contents of the message is so telling,.

[IrishAyes]

89. Wish I could criticize you in the manner so richly deserved.

[idwiyo]

112. Nah, that was way to long and too technical. You need something simpler and graphical if you have

any hope to get your point across.

Something like:

Airplane --> HEAVY, BIG

Flying airplane --> MUST HAVE ENOUGH FUEL

Etc

[SidDithers]

53. DU rec...

simply because of the bleating from the perpetually outraged in his thread.



Sid

[jaysunb]

90. +1 n/t

[idwiyo]

54. Keep singing that song, I am sure there are some DUers who haven't seen your performance yet.

What is it now, post number 3?

[Whisp]

65. doesn't matter, the lie will live.

Teabaggery 101.

[nineteen50]

67. It was passive-aggressive force.

[HooptieWagon]

68. Maybe when the plane ran out of fuel....

...it would be lighter than air, thus stay aloft indefinitely. Thus, proof they landed voluntarily.

signed,
Personalty Cult

[creon]

71. The pilot

I believe the pilot of the plane.

[Douglas Carpenter]

72. BBC -- Snowden case: France apologises to Bolivia over plane row

Source: BBC

France has apologized to Bolivia for refusing to allow President Evo Morales' jet into its airspace, blaming "conflicting information".

Bolivia accused France, Italy, Spain and Portugal of blocking the plane.

It said some wrongly believed US fugitive Edward Snowden was on board.

Speaking in Berlin, French President Francois Hollande said he granted permission as soon as he knew it was Mr Morales' plane.

President Morales was flying back to Bolivia from Moscow when the plane was forced to stop in Vienna.

Angry reactions

The French foreign ministry issued a statement on the incident.

Ministry spokesman Philippe Lalliot said: "The foreign minister called his Bolivian counterpart to tell him about France's regrets after the incident caused by the late confirmation of permission for President Morales' plane to fly over territory."


Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23174874

[Bonhomme Richard]

76. No. This is how a lie spreads.

You really need to hone your skills if you expect to make a living at this.
Initially I was shocked and getting pissed at the stupidity but now I read as if I am watching a bad comic.

[Skittles]

117. they're not pros, BR

this amateurish stuff is laughable and embarrassing

[Dragonfli]

85. LOL and I didn't force the dog to pee in the house! He did it himself, I just locked him in.

You are a silly silly person.

[bl968]

87. You are 100% right your post is how a lie spreads

Your audio snippet was misquoted as it was the control tower asking the plane if they needed assistance after landing. This was after they had already been given permission to land. Your post suggests that this is why they were given permission to land.

Lets look at a more neutral and informative timeline than the 2 seconds of a communication the between the tower and the plane you linked to...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/03/edward-snowden-asylum-live

Why would Bolivia say their plane was hijacked if it was a mechanical problem

Here's why

Soon after Morales was bound for La Paz, Spain, Italy, France and Portugal refused to allow the presidential jet to fly through their airspace over suspicions that Snowden was on board, according to the Bolivian government's account.

Why would France and Portugal refuse to let a diplomatic flight pass through their airspace.

The Bolivian foreign minister, David Choquehuanca, said France and Portugal were the first to cancel air permits. "They say it was due to technical issues, but after getting explanations from some authorities we found that there appeared to be some unfounded suspicions that Mr Snowden was on the plane. We don't know who invented this lie. We want to denounce to the international community this injustice with the plane of Evo Morales," Choquehuanca said.

The aircrew then diverted the flight to Austria...

An Austrian official told AP that Morales's aircraft asked controllers at Vienna airport to land because there was "no clear indication" that the plane had enough fuel to continue on its journey.

But for some reason Austria wanted to search the plane for Snowden

The Austrian government said it was given permission by Morales to search the plane but Bolivia's vice-president Alvaro Garcia denied this, saying the jet was entitled to immunity.

Why would Austria be interested in Snowden? The United States admitted to contacting other countries over this.

Our Washington bureau chief, Dan Roberts, has been at the State Department briefing. Spokeswoman Jen Psaki has confirmed that the US has been in contact with countries that had a "chance" of Snowden flying through their air space:

We have been in contact with a range of countries that had a chance of having Snowden land or travel through their country but I am not going to outline what those countries were or when this [contact] happened.

Yes indeed as your post stated this is how lies start, and you did an admirable job, but the truth caught you out.

[Cali_Democrat]

97. The audio was not misquoted

The actual audio itself is posted at the link. Listen to it for yourself and then tell me the audio was misquoted.

[bl968]

119. Selective editing

The audio is like 101% through the process of getting permission to land but you are making out as if that is them asking for permision to land because "The airplane was broken."

Your audio snippet was misquoted as it was the control tower asking the plane if they needed assistance after landing. This was after they had already been given permission to land. Your post suggests that this is why they were given permission to land.

Is that all you could rebut out of my entire response to your total bs that you tried passing off
on DU as exposing the "Real" truth?

[arikara]

120. Context

matters.

[Ash_F]

88. QUADRUPLE DOWN BABY!

[IrishAyes]

91. Dream on.

[99Forever]

92. Another liar gets gang-spanked.

Bwahahahahahaha!





Great stuff!

[Downwinder]

93. It is rather difficult for an airplane to pull over to the side and stop.

If it runs out of fuel it will come down. If a flight is denied a route of flight it is best to land at the nearest suitable airport.

[HooptieWagon]

103. Foiled again by those meddlesome facts!

[EX500rider]

94. I wonder why they didn't just divert...

Morales' Falcon 900EX has a range of 4501nm. I assume the President's plane takes off full.

Moscow to Vienna is only 900nm, should have had lots of fuel left to divert to Morocco (2250nm from Moscow)

Azores (2700nm) would have kept them north of French airspace and they could have declared a fuel emergency on arrival guaranteeing landing.

The Canaries (2800nm) would have kept them south of French & Spanish airspace also.

[Downwinder]

106. Azores are Portuguese air space.

Canaries are Spanish air space.

[EX500rider]

110. Yes I know..

...that's why you declare the fuel emergency and since they are island groups way out in the Atlantic they would let you land.

Could have done Morocco or any African country on the west coast and still have the legs for the Atlantic hop.

[Arctic Dave]

96. These people are your friends CD, they want to help you.

[ljm2002]

98. There is one true sentence in your post's title:

"This is how a lie spreads."

[bowens43]

100. Yes it was forced down....

But you keep spinning if it makes you feel better

[Ash_F]

101. Wow this thread turned into a slam-dunk competition. /nt

[OnyxCollie]

108. You Didn't Build That!

[Major Hogwash]

109. Obviously the pilot was worried when he radioed in to land in Austria.

The odd part of the hack editorial is that the author didn't check his facts first.

[Android3.14]

115. Crash or land here

If that's not forcing someone to land, then you've never had a kid smack you in the face with your own fist while screaming, "Why do you keep hitting yourself!?"
Sheesh, it's freaken' obvious who is doing the manipulation here.

[stevenleser]

118. Did any of the folks who disagree address the actual audio of the pilot and ATC at your link?

Just curious. A ton of people say you got "slammed" or "slapped down" but unless and until they account for that audio, I don't think they have done that.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

123. I know who not to believe.

Fucking liars, that's who.

[jazzimov]

129. Something just doesn't "smell right" about

the whole "forced down" issue.

I'll wait until more info is available before I run around with my hair on fire -

BUT things just don't add up....

[Democracyinkind]

132. Yeah, this is how a lie spreads.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

135. NSA hacked the airplane's Fuel Indicator System

... Snowden could do it, if he wanted to ...