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Just watched Cher singing her new release on NBC - seriously this should be one of the songs (Original Post) malaise Jul 2013 OP
Love it..... a kennedy Jul 2013 #1
LOVE IT!!! silverweb Jul 2013 #2
i'd like it better without the pin-up girl video, which suggests the 'woman's world' she speaks of HiPointDem Jul 2013 #3
What I learned from Occupy is not to judge the 20something generation malaise Jul 2013 #4
i'm judging the video. there's a message there, and i'm judging it. (and actually, i don't think HiPointDem Jul 2013 #5
There can be other videos malaise Jul 2013 #7
yeah, there can -- but i understood that one to be the official video. is it not? if not, if it's HiPointDem Jul 2013 #14
See Post #10...I have mixed feelings... KoKo Jul 2013 #11
I understand where you're coming from, but I like it because she's sitting on an elephant and -- femmedem Jul 2013 #6
did you watch the video? it's not that one image, it's a succession of pin-up girls, all scantily HiPointDem Jul 2013 #8
Good point malaise Jul 2013 #9
Love Cher!...but had your same misgivings about the "pin ups" chosen.. KoKo Jul 2013 #10
yeah, it may, but in any real way? it's pop sloganeering, there's no thought there, & the pin-ups HiPointDem Jul 2013 #13
That's truly one of James Brown's best...and I agree with what you said... KoKo Jul 2013 #16
I liked this song hfojvt Jul 2013 #17
Nice! nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #12
Cher--in full force! JohnnyLib2 Jul 2013 #15
Great song. It is the story of my life. n/t RebelOne Jul 2013 #18
"I'm strong enough to rise above." pacalo Jul 2013 #19
I love Cher. Not crazy about the song, tho. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #20
 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
3. i'd like it better without the pin-up girl video, which suggests the 'woman's world' she speaks of
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:16 PM
Jul 2013

belongs to nubile scantily-clad 20-somethings.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
4. What I learned from Occupy is not to judge the 20something generation
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:22 PM
Jul 2013

My mother thought I was scantily clad in the minis we wore back then, but Steve Biko, MLK, JFK, Mandela, Fidel and even Helen Reddy (I am woman) woke us up. Youngsters are waking up regardless of their preferred choice of dress. They'll be singing this.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
5. i'm judging the video. there's a message there, and i'm judging it. (and actually, i don't think
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:26 PM
Jul 2013

20-somethings are that into cher).

malaise

(268,930 posts)
7. There can be other videos
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:28 PM
Jul 2013

We'll see re the 20somethings and Cher - she hasn't released anything recently.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
14. yeah, there can -- but i understood that one to be the official video. is it not? if not, if it's
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:51 PM
Jul 2013

just a fan video set to the music, i'll withdraw the criticism, and just say i think the song is lyrically weak & doesn't really make much sense.

femmedem

(8,201 posts)
6. I understand where you're coming from, but I like it because she's sitting on an elephant and --
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:26 PM
Jul 2013

the Republican war on women includes a battle to control young women's sexuality.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
8. did you watch the video? it's not that one image, it's a succession of pin-up girls, all scantily
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:28 PM
Jul 2013

dressed, buxom, etc. same style of art, different pose, all sexual.

i couldn't watch it all the way through. the song lyrics are dumb (you broke up with me, i feel bad, but i'm strong and it's a woman's world...if you're still young & hot, i guess).

nah, i didn't feel any feminist anthem there, sorry to all those who feel different.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
10. Love Cher!...but had your same misgivings about the "pin ups" chosen..
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:29 PM
Jul 2013

that are sort of sterotypical even though from 30's kind of ads.

On the Other hand...Malaise downthread makes a point. It's hard to know what catches on today with the 20 Somethings (if that's who she's targeting). Still...the Pin Ups bother me because my generation fought so hard against being seen as "sex objects" and that most young women don't really look like that these days...out there in the rest of America.

But...who knows...it might inspire many.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
13. yeah, it may, but in any real way? it's pop sloganeering, there's no thought there, & the pin-ups
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:48 PM
Jul 2013

are kind of the proof of that.

I think there's a bit more thought, actually, in the James Brown antecedent, as rather than the message "I'm strong, I don't need you" there's at least the claim of male relationship to women & children, even though the 'man the maker' is dated. But man's world, woman's world, it's just pop ephemera and there's no (human) world without both. Dunno, it just seems superficial & trite to me. I'm strong = it's a woman's world = doesn't follow. I like cher, her life is feminist, but her song choices? nah.



This is a mans world
This is a mans world
But it would be nothing,nothing
Without a women or a girl

You see, man made the car
To take us over the road
Man made the train
To carry the heavy load
Man made the electrolight
To take us out of the dark
Man made the boat full of water
Like noah made the arc

This is a mans,mans,mans world
But it would be nothing, nothing
Without a women or a girl

Man thinks about little bit of baby girls and a baby boys
Man make them happy
Cos man make them toys
And after man make everything
Everything he can
You know that man makes money
To buy from other man

This is a mans world
But it would be nothing, nothing
Not one little thing
Without a women or a girl

He's lost in the wilderness
He's lost in bitterness







KoKo

(84,711 posts)
16. That's truly one of James Brown's best...and I agree with what you said...
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:02 PM
Jul 2013

Sadly most young females wouldn't know James Brown...and many wouldn't know or care about Cher.

It will probably be someone new and totally different that catches their interest.
But, if this crap keeps up with Repugs...I hope the new inspiration for them comes quickly! There's NO TIME TO WASTE!

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
20. I love Cher. Not crazy about the song, tho.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 12:10 AM
Jul 2013

Guess I don't understand the song. Has a good dance beat, though.

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