Josh Marshall: "Snowden’s pretty screwed."
Josh Marshall
New at length statement released by Edward Snowden.
The gist of the message is that the Obama administration is using an “extralegal penalty” and violating his human rights by trying to have him extradited back to the United States.
There’s also this article out from Reuters - very strangely put together piece - based on a letter in Spanish which Snowden reportedly sent to Ecuador. The quotes make Snowden sound a little unhinged or perhaps like he’s playing to what he imagines his audience to be in Ecuador. But it also seems possible that the oddness of the language is a product of Reuters translation from Spanish back into English.
Here’s one passage …
“While the public has cried out support of my shining a light on this secret system of injustice, the Government of the United States of America responded with an extrajudicial man-hunt costing me my family, my freedom to travel, and my right to live peacefully without fear of illegal aggression.”
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Tone aside, the gist is consistent with the more formal statement released through Wikileaks, which is that the government of the United States is somehow violating his human rights and acting in an extrajudicial manner by revoking his passport and trying to have him extradited to the United States. At a human level, no doubt, Snowden’s pretty screwed. It’s no fun to have the full force of the United States brought down on you like this. But is Snowden really surprised by any of this?
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2013/07/snowden_statement_released.php
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You will, too. 
Let's see, who else feels that way, too...
Bush - Constitution 'Just A Goddamned Piece of Paper '
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5578787
FYI
Article III of the U.S. Constitution
purposeful...
You really should quit while you're far, far behind. You aren't making your case at all.
That means he is not a spy, first of all, and number two, it makes him a whistle-blower.
Hope that helps
Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of the news that Tyranny is coming!
phew that was easy... next!
Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of the news that Tyranny is coming!
why is this so hard for some folks to understand?
Greenwald & Co., and suddenly he's an international fugitive from justice. I think his statement that he's been "convicted" of nothing sounds strange. Wouldn't he have to come home, face the CHARGES, to get a "conviction" or acquittal? Isn't that how it works?
cool document duude 
Okay I know I'm overusing Olga, I owe her royalties!
She doesn't look happy.
"Take a look on Democratic Underground
They have the gov't paid trolls out, trying to limit the outrage & rebellion on there.
If that is the reaction of hard core Dems to the news stories on the NSA, I want to stoke up some more of it.
Lots of traffic on DU.
It's the most popular Dem internet site, except for Huffy Po - where everything meaningful gets censored."
http://www.dailypaul.com/288556/clapper-and-feinstein-get-caught-lying-big-time#comment-3103138
The idiots are being directed here to "stoke up" the "outrage & rebellion".
Snowden decided what to leak. We don't get to see the whole picture. We only see what Snowden wants us to see.
Here, lemme change the names to demonstrate the point.
On the IRS "Tea party" scandal, Issa decided what to leak. We didn't see the whole picture. We only saw what Issa wanted us to see.
Now, Democrats leaked information destroying Issa's claims, but those weren't widely reported. So the vast majority of the country think Obama ordered the IRS to go after tea party groups.
So Snowden remains quite relevant. Especially with everyone leaping several light years beyond what Snowden has actually leaked (such as "NSA records all phone calls!!!!"
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around the world, and look... wouldn't you know it, even right here on DU... this very thread even 
as DU polls have consistently shown from the start that not only are DUers overwhelming against the UNPRECEDENTED SPYING on EVERYONE, but that they also support the Patriot for blowing the whistle to let us all know what is going on, with DOCUMENTED evidence... stand by, there is more to come.
Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of the news that Tyranny is coming!
thanks to Snowden? They've all but called for their fainting couch over this guy.
But, yeah, there's nothing new that he revealed. 
from such liberal bastions as CHINA, and the former USSR.
What the hell are you thinking?
How does it feel to be manipulated? 
Thanks for asking. 
Anyone who thinks he was a fan of the iraq war or bush is being deliberately misleading at this point.
He explains quite CLEARLY that he was not too involved in politics at that time (like most) and had faith in our system of government with all of it's checks and balances that it would do the right thing at the end of the day.
That describes (or used to, until we have been hit by these whacko totalitarians) the vast majority of Americans (or people anywhere).
BUT after he started paying closer attention...
"All that has changed. Completely. Over the past five years, a creeping extremism has taken hold of our federal government, and it is threatening to radically alter our system of government and who we are as a nation. This extremism is neither conservative nor liberal in nature, but is instead driven by theories of unlimited presidential power that are wholly alien, and antithetical, to the core political values that have governed this country since its founding.
And the fact that this seizure of ever-expanding presidential power is largely justified through endless, rank fear-mongering—fear of terrorists, specifically—means that not only our system of government is radically changing, but so, too, are our national character, our national identity, and what it means to be American."
does that sound like someone who was on-board with what the fucking crazies were doing, huh?
"What first began to shake my faith in the administration was its conduct in the case of Jose Padilla, a U.S. citizen arrested in May 2002 on U.S. soil and then publicly labeled "the dirty bomber." The administration claimed it could hold him indefinitely without charging him with any crime and while denying him access to counsel.
I never imagined that such a thing could happen in modern America— that a president would claim the right to order American citizens imprisoned with no charges and without the right to a trial. In China, the former Soviet Union, Iran, and countless other countries, the government can literally abduct its citizens and imprison them without a trial. But that cannot happen in the United States—at least it never could before. If it means anything to be an American citizen, it means that we cannot be locked away by our government unless we are charged with a crime, given due process in court, and then convicted by a jury of our peers."
well, well, well... he doesn't seemed very pleased by the totalitarians actions at all...
"It is not desirable or fulfilling to realize that one does not trust one's own government and must disbelieve its statements, and I tried, along with scores of others, to avoid making that choice until the facts no longer permitted such logic."
sounds like someone who had put a hell of a lot of thought into his opinions, and did not just leap to conclusions. A person who makes considered, thoughtful, decisions.
I encourage all to read the whole thing (http://www.bookbrowse.com/excerpts/index.cfm?fuseaction=printable&book_number=1812), if you haven't already, to see just how insidious, and downright deceitful these baseless allegations are... it's enough to make one sick, actually.
but take comfort in KNOWING that these whacko claims are ALL politically motivated, and only articulated by a tiny, yet vocal, minority here on DU, FORTUNATELY, and why we are so lucky to have this AWESOME site!
good night, all
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I'll never be able to get that image out of my mind now!!!
Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of the news that Tyranny is coming!
And form what I hear, and have been reading, there are plenty more where that came from, so stay tuned my friend
Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of the news that Tyranny is coming!
