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Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:41 PM

 

Ex-Pentagon general target of leak investigation, sources say

Legal sources tell NBC News that the former second-highest ranking officer in the U.S. military is now the target of a Justice Department investigation into an alleged leak of classified information about a covert U.S. cyber attack on Iran’s nuclear program.


According to legal sources, Retired Marine Gen. James “Hoss” Cartwright, the former vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has been notified that he’s under investigation for allegedly leaking information about a massive attack using a computer virus named Stuxnet on Iran’s nuclear facilities. Gen. Cartwright, 63, becomes the latest alleged leaker targeted by the Obama administration, which has already prosecuted or charged eight individuals under the Espionage Act.


http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/27/19174350-ex-pentagon-general-target-of-leak-investigation-sources-say?lite

And now there are eight leakers...

Hey guys...Snowden is last week.

Oy.

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nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 OP
Whisp Jun 2013 #1
think Jun 2013 #10
Maximumnegro Jun 2013 #17
East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #55
Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #60
East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #66
Pathwalker Jun 2013 #62
HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #22
think Jun 2013 #23
HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #25
warrant46 Jun 2013 #54
grasswire Jun 2013 #28
think Jun 2013 #30
sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #69
sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #34
octoberlib Jun 2013 #2
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #5
Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #3
southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #4
dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #7
HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #24
marions ghost Jun 2013 #36
sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #35
southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #57
sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #67
southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #68
Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #6
arely staircase Jun 2013 #59
Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #63
arely staircase Jun 2013 #64
Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #65
geek tragedy Jun 2013 #8
Recursion Jun 2013 #11
sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #37
FarCenter Jun 2013 #9
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #12
snooper2 Jun 2013 #51
sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #38
FarCenter Jun 2013 #46
OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #47
sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #48
OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #52
Agony Jun 2013 #56
WillyT Jun 2013 #13
99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #14
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #15
sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #49
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #50
kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #16
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #18
sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #40
Kolesar Jun 2013 #19
randome Jun 2013 #26
Kolesar Jun 2013 #29
randome Jun 2013 #31
Kolesar Jun 2013 #32
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #20
Kolesar Jun 2013 #21
Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #61
JI7 Jun 2013 #27
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #33
Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #39
Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #41
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #42
marions ghost Jun 2013 #43
Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #44
marions ghost Jun 2013 #45
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #53
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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:43 PM

1. I'm not sure what you mean. Is Hoss now your new hero? n/t

 

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Response to Whisp (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:09 PM

10. Clapper's my hero. 1 time Booz Allen executive makes it all the way to head of National Intelligence

 

Last edited Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:25 PM - Edit history (1)

Talk about maximizing profits!

Booz Allen’s Role in N.S.A. Case Puts Spotlight on Carlyle
By MICHAEL J. DE LA MERCED June 10, 2013, 11:39 am

For years, the Carlyle Group has tried to shed its former reputation as a second home for government officials and a specialist in buying defense companies.

~Snip~

As The New York Times noted:

The government has sharply increased spending on high-tech intelligence gathering since 2001, and both the Bush and Obama administrations have chosen to rely on private contractors like Booz Allen for much of the resulting work.

~Snip~

As evidence of the company’s close relationship with government, the Obama administration’s chief intelligence official, James R. Clapper Jr., is a former Booz Allen executive. The official who held that post in the Bush administration, John M. McConnell, now works for Booz Allen."


Yet Carlyle has worked hard over the past decade to put questions about its influence over the government to rest. The firm was once known for hiring former politicians like George H. W. Bush and James A. Baker III, the onetime secretary of state, as advisers and for focusing on government contractors.

Full article:
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/06/10/booz-allens-role-in-n-s-a-saga-casts-spotlight-on-carlyle/?_r=0

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Response to think (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:54 PM

17. THANKS TOTALITARIAN CORPORATE SHILL

OBAMA!!! Thanks to him we are now under the control of what I have now called a 'military industrial complex'. I just made that up. Hope it takes off since it's something we've never heard of before. But now Obama's in charge I'm pretty sure he's responsible. But not responsible for gay marrieage or gay right or health care reform or saving the conomy from a complete and total meltdown as I'm pretty sure McCain and Romney would have been TOTALLY THE SAME.

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Response to Maximumnegro (Reply #17)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:08 AM

55. And can do no wrong.

 

Like Jesus.

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Response to East Coast Pirate (Reply #55)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:33 PM

60. As much as the administrators like not having to clean up messes

I miss the moderators.

Is this what the Israelites felt like when they cried out for a king? lol

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Response to Romulus Quirinus (Reply #60)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 01:38 PM

66. I just want a horse.

 

My kingdom for a horse!

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Response to Maximumnegro (Reply #17)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 01:00 PM

62. I thought IKE made up the term "Military Industrial Complex"?

I know I've heard it for decades, so your claim of authorship is false.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E2%80%93industrial_complex

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Response to think (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:20 PM

22. Technical Note: Clapper is Director of National Intelligence (not head of NSA). NSA is

 

headed by former RummyDummy flack General Keith Alexander (who I believe reports to Clapper).

Otherwise, spot on!

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Response to HardTimes99 (Reply #22)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:23 PM

23. My bad. I admit I do have trouble keeping all these titles straight.

 

Will fix that.

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Response to think (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:27 PM

25. I think Clapper has deep roots in the Bush administration but I can't keep

 

all the resumes current in my head either.

One thing's sure: Clapper is a perjuring sack of shit.

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Response to HardTimes99 (Reply #25)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:04 AM

54. Not just Perjuring-- But a Liar Liar

Pants on fire !!

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Response to think (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:39 PM

28. errors in this nyt piece, AFIK

GHWB was a partner at Carlyle Group, and James A. Baker has never been a politician, has he?

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Response to grasswire (Reply #28)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:46 PM

30. Yes GHWB was a partner as well as an advisor. Techincally Baker is a politician

 

just not as an elected official. But he has held several high level political positions in govt.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Baker


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Response to think (Reply #10)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 01:57 PM

69. Thanks, the ties that bind, This is what they are trying to hide, NOT anything to do with 'national

security' but that the billions of dollars going to Corporations like Booz Allen is for profit and not for security. And that their former CEOs march in and out of our Governnent, like Clapper, to positions where they got to influence the flow of those dollars directly to the Security Corporations who profit obscenely from pretending they are working for our security.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:59 PM

34. Who's your hero? Mine is anyone who takes their oath of office seriously. It's simple really, they

all swear to defend and protect the Constitution of the US against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. Nothing else is required of them, yet for so many that seems like such a difficult thing to do.

When that oath is changed, and the Constitution is tossed into the trash bin of history, as Bush seemed to believe had already happened, then I will not be holding them to the oath they took. But so far, we are at least living under the assumption that we still view the Constitution as the law of the land and anyone who violates it, and it's become an epidemic these days, should be removed from office.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:44 PM

2. Oy, indeed. nt

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:52 PM

5. Watch for the predictable reaction

 

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:45 PM

3. Good. n/t

 

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:47 PM

4. This officer is a traitor to release this kind of information.

 

Why did he do that? Is there that much hate against the president?

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:00 PM

7. No proof he has done anything.

REad the story.
He was involved in the computer virus during the Bush admin, so I guess, according to your logic, he hates Bush.
Then Obama asked for the program to be increased.

Again, there is no admission of guilt, no proof he is a traitor. Everything is being investigated.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:24 PM

24. "Everything is being investigated." - After the national security state

 

devoured information on all Americans and citizens of the world, nothing remained but for it to begin devouring itself, dissolving in a Walpurgisnacht Ouroboros to make Escher green with envy.

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Response to HardTimes99 (Reply #24)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:04 PM

36. Devouring itself...

Watchamacallit Ouroboros
thanks for the laugh--not many of those lately

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:01 PM

35. No, he hates Bush. Does that make it better? So did Drake and Binney and Manning I guess.

Is everything about Obama now?? Why not READ the OP before jumping to the defense of Obama when he doesn't need any defending?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #35)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:06 AM

57. I don't care what president was or is in office. If the general did what supposedly said

 

that happened then he is a traitor no matter who the president is. I am worried about our country.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #57)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 10:59 AM

67. I am very worried about this country. And it appears more and more of those who took an oath to

defend and protect our Constitution are becoming concerned enough to risk their careers and even freedom. Because all of them, including Presidents and Generals swear to defend and protect ONE THING, The Constitution of the US. Isn't it odd they are not asked to protect the people, the country, just the Constitution. Any idea why that is and why so many of them fail in that duty?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #67)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 11:59 AM

68. sabrina you make way to much sense. You better watch out now. Yes you are so right.

 

I wonder if Bush had been in office would we be seeing this kind of stuff? I am sure his administration has done worse, not that am excusing this adminstration. I tell you I am more worried about corporations and what they are doing for our good.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:59 PM

6. Well, I wouldn't use Comrade Snowden's travel agent. He sucks!

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:27 PM

59. I think that travel agent lives in an Embassy in London

He can't go anywhere either.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #59)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 01:02 PM

63. Snowden's Dad pretty much said the same thing. "He's being manipulated by Wikileaks". Very.....

revealing, doncha think? I wonder if that's the father's feeling, or if Snowden has communicated that to his Dad?

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #63)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 01:13 PM

64. Dunno, but how ironic (and dumb) is it to take advice from Assange?

I mean look how well his advice has worked for himself.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #64)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 01:35 PM

65. People are lining up to run away from the asshole as quickly as possible. They want his ass out....

of their damned Embassy, and with the Snowden mess, I'll bet they're more eager than ever to dump him. I just heard a guy on NPR say that it would be a fitting end for Snowden if he had to spend the rest of his natural life in that airport terminal.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:04 PM

8. Put him in the cell where they held Bradley Manning. Good for the private,

 

good for the general.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:09 PM

11. RHIP (nt)

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:04 PM

37. And torture him. That is what makes it impossible for the EU eg, to extradite people to the US.

They still have laws forbidding torture in some places on the planet. I know, that is so 'weak'. Says Cheney, armchair warrior who got FIVE deferments from having to do what this guy did.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:07 PM

9. Is Assange and Wikileaks "helping" him yet?

 

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #9)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:11 PM

12. Predictable

 

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #12)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:45 PM

51. more comments about this leaker please

 

is he a

A: GOOD GUY


or


B: A BAD GUY


easy peasy!

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #9)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:08 PM

38. Did you read the OP at all? Did you know that we helped one of China's most famous 'traitors' get

out of China and welcomed him and his family here. A hero to the US, a traitor to China. But then, after he got here, it has been revealed, he was spied on through his cell phone and computer gifts we gave him to show our respect.

It's a complex world we live in.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #38)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:17 PM

46. Blind Chinese Dissident May Have Been Spied On During NYU Tenure

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/21/chen-guangcheng-spyware-row_n_3476188.html

At issue in the latest escalation in the argument are an iPad and at least one of the smartphones that were given to Chen days after he fled China and arrived in Manhattan. The devices were found by NYU technicians to have been loaded with software that made it possible to track the dissident's movements and communications, according to Cohen and the second source, who was not authorized to speak on the matter.

...

Among the first visitors in May 2012 to the New York apartment Chen had moved into with his family after a dramatic escape from house arrest in China was Heidi Cai, the wife of activist Bob Fu. She brought an iPad and iPhone as gifts.

The devices were screened by NYU technicians within a few days and were found to have been loaded with hidden spying software, said Cohen, who arranged the fellowship for Chen at NYU Law School, helping defuse a diplomatic crisis between the United States and China after Chen took refuge in the U.S. Embassy in Beijing.

...

Asked about the gadgets, Fu told Reuters that his wife had given two Apple devices to Chen shortly after the dissident had settled in New York. Fu runs a Christian group called ChinaAid that supports underground churches in China and victims of forced abortions.


Religious group opposed to the one child policy.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #38)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:32 PM

47. Spying on someone through a gift cell phone

 

is what one of Murdoch's rags did.

Guess what? The author of the USA PATRIOT Act, Viet Dihn, is on News Corp's Board of Directors.

Dinh is being given legal assistance in dealing with the phone hacking by former AG Michael Mukasey and the law firm he works for.

Dinh represented some HP board members in their spying scandal.

Isn't that special?

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Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #47)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:37 PM

48. My mind can't take the twists and turns of all of this.

I did not know any of this. All I know is how I feel. We were conned, royally and I don''t know what can be done about it.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #48)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:07 AM

52. Nothing can be done about it,

 

barring the intervention of other states (or NGO's.)

Voting won't help. Remember: the NSA operates under the purview of the Secretary of Defense, who also just so happens to be one of the four authors of the Help America Vote Act (HAVA).

For those keeping score, the authors of HAVA have:

Been convicted of bribery and corruption for deals with Jack Abramoff and sentenced to 30 months in prison- Rep. Bob Ney

Been convicted of money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering to get repub candidates elected, and have received a sentence of three years in prison (and have yet to serve a day)- Rep. Tom DeLay (See also DeLay's ties to Abramoff.)

Run for President (poorly)- Sen. Chris Dodd. Dodd was also a "Friend of Angelo" Mozillo of Countrywide. Now he's a lobbyist for Hollywood and is trying to censor the Internet.

Business and financial ties with ES&S, the company that had a monopoly on vote counting in the US- Sen. Chuck Hagel

Viet D. Dinh
http://www.law.georgetown.edu/faculty/dinh-viet-d.cfm#

During his time at the Department of Justice, Dinh played a key role in developing legal policy initiatives to combat terrorism—namely, the USA Patriot Act.


Dinh is on the Board of Directors for News Corp:



Guess who's leading News Corp's own investigation of phone-hacking?

News Corp. Director Leading Phone-Hack Probe Has Personal Ties to Murdoch
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-06/dinh-s-ties-to-murdoch-under-fire-as-point-man-in-hacking-probe.html

News Corp. (NWSA)’s independent directors, obligated to assess Rupert Murdoch and other top executives’ handling of the company’s phone-hacking scandal, are relying for guidance on Viet Dinh, a board member with personal ties to the Murdoch family.

Dinh, 43, is point man between the independent board members and a panel that New York-based News Corp. (NWS) created to cooperate with authorities probing phone hacking by the defunct News of the World tabloid and to evaluate company standards.

A Washington attorney and Georgetown University Law Center professor, Dinh has been a friend of Chief Executive Officer Rupert Murdoch’s oldest son Lachlan since 2003 and is godfather to Lachlan’s second child. In 1992, a decade before they met, the South China Morning Post, then owned by Murdoch, helped Dinh free his sister from a Hong Kong refugee camp.

“Usually it’s required that an investigation like this is undertaken by a committee of independent directors,” said Jay Lorsch, a Harvard Business School professor who has served on the boards of four publicly traded companies. “It’s very hard to be objective if you’re involved in any way -- financially or emotionally -- with the family of the chief executive you are supposed to be supervising.”


Michael Mukasey's law firm is advising Dinh.

News Corp. Independent Directors Hire Debevoise Law Firm
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-19/news-corp-independent-directors-hire-debevoise-firm-s-white-mukasey.html

News Corp. (NWSA)’s independent directors hired the law firm Debevoise & Plimpton LLP, according to Mary Jo White, a partner at the firm and the former U.S. attorney in New York.

Michael Mukasey, who served as U.S. attorney general under George W. Bush, will join White in representing directors, Suzanne Elio, a spokeswoman for the firm, said today.

“Debevoise & Plimpton has been retained to advise Viet Dinh in his supervision of the Management and Standards Committee on behalf of the independent members of the board,” Elio said in an e-mail.
She declined to comment further.

Dinh, who runs a small law firm in Washington that specializes in damage control, and venture capital executive Tom Perkins are leading the efforts of independent directors, who hold nine of 16 board seats. Dinh, also a professor at Georgetown University and the chief architect of the USA Patriot Act, represented Perkins, a former Hewlett-Packard Co. (HPQ) director, during a scandal at that company.


What happened at HP?

Hewlett-Packard spying scandal sheds new light on US corporate “ethics”
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2006/10/hepa-o02.html

The spying campaign, launched by H-P board Chairwoman Patricia Dunn in response to leaks to the press of internal corporate discussions, included surreptitiously obtaining the phone records of H-P board members and employees, surveillance of board members and journalists, and the emailing of spyware to journalists in an effort to learn the identity of their sources within the company.

Private telephone records on hundreds of cell and home telephones were obtained by a method called “pretexting,” in which investigators made repeated calls to telephone companies, pretending to be the individuals targeted, until they were able to convince a phone company employee to release the information.

~snip~

Perhaps the most elaborate plan was a sting operation involving the creation of a dummy employee, codenamed “Jacob,” who was to become a source for CNET reporter Dawn Kawamoto, the journalist under the most intense surveillance. “Jacob” was to become an email tipster to CNET, and actually supplied Kawamoto with some valid inside information to establish his credibility.
Then the phony informant was to be used for a blatantly illegal purpose: he was to send Kawamoto an email with attached spyware that would install itself on the journalist’s computer and track every subsequent keystroke, thus giving H-P investigators a full view of everything she did.


Murdoch Paper Hacked Phone It Gave as Gift to Murdered Girl's Mother
http://gawker.com/479991854

News of the World, the Rupert Murdoch-owned tabloid shut down last month over allegations of extensive illegal story-gathering practices, is now accused of hacking the voicemail of the mother of a murdered eight-year-old—on a phone that the paper's editor Rebekah Brooks gave her as a gift.

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Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #52)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:35 AM

56. that is special...

is about all I got.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:27 PM

13. K & R !!!

 


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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:50 PM

14. Our "Intelligence Community" is beginning to resemble a sieve

 

I think it's high time to thoroughly and publicly review this whole
notion of "government secrets", why all the secrets are so necessary,
etc. ...in a way that makes clear that first & foremost, US Citizens'
constitutional rights are intact, in force, and are fully protected.

It's like we haven't shaken off our cold war vestiges & paranoia yet;
and just assume that we need a "secret government" to "keep us safe".

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #14)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:51 PM

15. I have not seen this much leaking

 

It must have to do partly, with internal non functional procedures.

This is number 8...fun fact.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:39 PM

49. Or maybe it has to do with a government out of control, and Patriotic Americans who can't remain

silent anymore. That is how Drake and Binney felt. And even Ashcroft and Comey, for a short period of time.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #49)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:42 PM

50. Which also translates to non working internal mechanisms

 

they are not mutually exclusive.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:53 PM

16. The shadow government at work against the Obama administration...that is all. nt

 

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #16)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:59 PM

18. He's done all he's been asked to do for them

 

so exactly why I want to know?

Now if he was... I don't know, going after Goldman Sachs with I don't know INDICTMENTS... So I want to hear this one.

I actually think it is much simpler than that... people with something strage called a conscience have been leaking since 2001.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #16)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:11 PM

40. The only shadow government I am aware of was Cheney's. They did some pretty awful, illegal things.

We wanted them prosecuted. But our President decided that we needed to 'move on' from those crimes. Then he, as he told us last week, 'kept some of Bush's policies' and of course a whole lot of Bush's people. He also appointed Bush loyalists to his cabinet. I don't remember wanting Republicans in power, Didn't we vote them out?

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 08:00 PM

19. Leaking information about Stuxnet was incredibly stupid

Stuxnet was was well conceived and we need more programs like that.

Hoss' mistake makes him a leaker, I suppose, but I don't know why anybody outside of Iran or the Hezbollah would celebrate him.

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #19)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:34 PM

26. He'll just blame it on Little Joe anyways.

 

Little Joe always gets the blame.

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Response to randome (Reply #26)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:41 PM

29. I would really, really, like

to visit Lake Tahoe before too long. They have tons of snow and several nordic ski centers.

That's where the Ponderosa was, IIRC.

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #29)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:48 PM

31. It never occurred to me to wonder where the Ponderosa was located.

 

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Response to randome (Reply #31)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:52 PM

32. North is to the left on this beauty

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 08:10 PM

20. let me kick this one... as sand mostly.

 

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #20)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:18 PM

21. and pretend that you didn't read my post ... eom

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #21)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:41 PM

61. Your opinion is very important to us.

Please stay on the line and one of our internet opinion representatives will be along to speak with you shortly.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:37 PM

27. GOOD

 

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:53 PM

33. Vice Chairman of the Joints Chief

 

Now that is impressive.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:08 PM

39. Oh this is starting to become interesting...

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:17 PM

41. Ummmmm... Hoss Cartwright? n/t

 

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Reply #41)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:32 PM

42. same

 

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:43 PM

43. interesting...

"cyber attacks"

I thought that was illegal.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #43)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:45 PM

44. Only when "they" do it. n/t

 

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Reply #44)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:53 PM

45. Oh yeah

we're the good guys...I forgot

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #45)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:10 AM

53. Off to the reeducation camp with you citizen

 

I know, I know, those jokes...

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:17 PM

58. First of all, Fuck You NSA!

Second, my fantasy, since forever, has been to infiltrate the CIA and lay bare all their crimes, and all the info they have on everyone.

We don't need the CIA. If we treated people with respect all over the world, we wouldn't even need a 1/10th of the military.

But, the CIA goes around the world making enemies, and then informs the Prez and Congress of the dangers of the enemies that the CIA has made.

It's madness. It's also very profitable for the MIC and its "brother-in-arms" intelligence gathering agencies.

It all makes me

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