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Mon Jun 24, 2013, 06:31 PM

NSA spy program: a social/economic catastrophe

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From Daily Kos: other countries are not going to stand for this surveillance and are going to divert their Internet resources away from the US.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/23/1218102/-US-NSA-Accused-of-Criminal-Privacy-Violations-in-Dozens-of-Nations-Snowden-Blowback

The world is looking at an international crisis -- as a result of Edward Snowden's description of an illegal data theft "Process" -- perpetrated against their own citizens. The US is engaged in ongoing criminal activity against their sovereignty. And they are scrambling to put a stop to it.

The United States can no longer be trusted, never, ever again.

This is a watershed moment that changes everything. You are witnessing an epic geopolitical shift that will profoundly effect the United States standing throughout the world. It will certainly affect your future.

Before this is over, the entire architecture of the Internet will be rebuilt. Here's why:

A huge proportion of all global Internet traffic flows through networks controlled by the United States. This is because eight of fifteen global tier 1 telecommunications companies are American owned -- companies like AT&T, CenturyLink, and Verizon. Furthermore, the social media services are also mostly provided by giants headquartered in the United States, including Google, Facebook, Yahoo!, and Twitter.

All of these companies are subject to U.S. law, including the provisions of the U.S. Patriot Act, no matter where their services are offered or their servers located.

Having the world's Internet traffic routed through the U.S. and having those telecommunications companies under its jurisdiction compromises the constitutionally guaranteed privacy rights of citizens of all other sovereign nations.

This will end.

The rest of the world will not stand for it.

It's a simple fact and an economic black swan for the US.


So far as I can tell, none of this is being reported in the press. It makes sense, however, that other countries would be extremely pissed about this. They seem to agree on two things: one is, they're not going to allow their Internet backbones to be controlled by the US. The second is, they're going to do their best to screw us.

And, no, the US can't stand alone if the whole world is against it. The loss of commerce in coming years is going to be incredibly damaging. This may truly be the end of our government system.

We should have never allowed agencies like the NSA to continue to exist after the Cold War. That was our first mistake. The second was ever allowing George W. Bush to become a candidate much less get into the White House.

And when the dust settles, history is going to be rough on President Obama.

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caseymoz Jun 2013 OP
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #1
bemildred Jun 2013 #2
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #3
bemildred Jun 2013 #4
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #6
bemildred Jun 2013 #7
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #8
bemildred Jun 2013 #9
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #10
bemildred Jun 2013 #11
caseymoz Jun 2013 #12
bemildred Jun 2013 #15
MattFromKY Jun 2013 #5
Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #13
liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #14

Response to caseymoz (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 06:36 PM

1. Yup...that Koss diarist gets it

 

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Response to caseymoz (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 06:41 PM

2. Correct. These idiots have completely fucked themselves through over-reaching.

Again.
And they are going to hear about the theft of intellectual property too, that is not their stuff they are making copies of.
And US internet service providers will not be happy about the fallout either.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 06:50 PM

3. Copyright is pretty much dead.

 

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 06:52 PM

4. Right, but we have not given up on it yet have we?

What are we going to do if they sue us? Tell them to forget about copyright?

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Response to bemildred (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 06:55 PM

6. We have been insisting the Chinese stop

 

So...this is what I mean it is dead.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 06:57 PM

7. Are you asserting that it IS dead because of the NSA mess? nt

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Response to bemildred (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 06:59 PM

8. Yup

 

Who will sign to any convention given this? We have just to started to scratch the surface of this.

The TTP treaty will not be easy either.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 07:00 PM

9. Good point. nt

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Response to bemildred (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 07:01 PM

10. Mind you difficulties with TTP are welcomed

 

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 07:01 PM

11. LOL. nt

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Response to bemildred (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 01:21 AM

12. No, they've completely fucked US.


I don't know if this will be as bad as the 2008 meltdown, but it will cripple the US economy.

No, they haven't fucked themselves. The contractors are some of the same people who buy our elections:

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/14857095-contractors-doing-top-secret-work-for-national-security-agency-bit-donors-to-politicians

If people think this issue will go away if and when we capture Snowden, they are terribly mistaken. This is going to fester domestically and internationally.

The US has made so many follies in my lifetime. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan are only the biggest. Up till now, because this is the worst. This is an Empire buster. It's a scandal that pisses off the entire world at us. If there's one thing the rest of the world can be unified about now, it will be finding ways to screw us and cut us out of the loop.

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Response to caseymoz (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 05:59 AM

15. Oh yeah, we DO get to ride along, all of us. And we get to pay for it too. nt

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Response to caseymoz (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 06:52 PM

5. One of China's stated goals. Interesting.

 

"The Government of China said today that the US must hand over control of the Internet to the world."

http://www.thedomains.com/2012/08/19/china-us-must-hand-over-internet-control-to-the-world/

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Response to caseymoz (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 01:41 AM

13. Hello Vladimir?

 

It's Obama. How's it going? The next Chris Christie. Well maybe not that far.

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Response to caseymoz (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 03:45 AM

14. K&R

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