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Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:52 AM

What about the weak makes the strong hate them?

Being poor isn't always the poor person's fault.I'm poor. wonder why I am the object of right-wing scorn,hate and smear.I can hardly function.Depression draws my days away,dissociation has made much unbearable.My life is not happy or anything.I had dreams but it seems I never had enough money to live them,so I have given up on dreams.

In 4th. grade I wanted to be a veterinarian,study the lives of south american cats,living in the treetops.But no,even though I had a teacher notice I was intelligent and had me on my own study modules,nothing ever was done about it by the school. Ever since 1st. grade I was being bullied all day,and even though this one teacher was so very kind and observant ,it was not enough to overcome the damage done by a violent cold home life or the bullying ,bullying that happened as teachers stood by watching gangs of kids trying to corner me by the fence in the playground to beat my ass.

I never knew WHY I was hated by the entire school.I was hated by people in schools I didn't even attend. I just knew the world seemed to reject me,and that knowledge was seared into my soul everyday. By time I got to high school I had deteriorated and lost it.I spent many years in the psych system.The psych system did plenty of damage,drugs ,restraints, solitary confinement,mind games,humiliation,the psych wards are sometimes run by sociopaths. The power structure of a psych unit is a set-up just like the Stanford Prison Experiment.And so is our society.

Sometimes it would be dangerous to defend yourself or stand up for another whom you know was innocent. To have a moral backbone meant you got targeted as a troublemaker. And I was. Some psych wards and treatment centers have been very abusive to me and will not accept me because of this. It's stupid and sad but the autrhoritarians running these places HATE me.And that makes me laugh inwardly.I'm doing something right. I worry about the people there though living under these asshats.

And I see this same old shit republicans do and people that don't care do all over again like the assholes who put wounds in my mind and body reflected in the backlash against the Moral March in NC.on the 17th,already the Civitas bullies are making a hate list. Just like Bully kids would make obscene drawings of me and drop them casually on my desk knowing it would hurt me,trigger me.What kind of monster would find joy in doing that? A person without love,empathy or an understanding that I am because We are.

I hate the bible,but even a broke clock is right twice a day..The line,The world hates me, the world hated me from the beginning and it will hate you too..The world seems to hate anyone who stands up for the weak and abused and say NO you can't treat people like that. Love & empathy in a person makes it so, You hurt I hurt because WE hurt.So you have to do something about it,your entire being is pushing you to stand up for WE.

I am so tired,the house I'm living in,the only safe place I've ever known, is being auctioned off in September.I have no clue where to go or what to do. My mind is frozen overwhelmed.
My family plans things behind my back.I have very little reason to live really.I don't know what anyone's plans are.The program I go to they ain't helping me with this. All I want to do is curl up in a ball. But I can't,and there is nothing I can do.So I sit here unable to be calm.To not have anger,sadness,frustration,anxiety eating me up day after day.

But everyday it seems those of us who are hated,those of us who have an ethical understanding of right and wrong on a deep level are being hurt. We have been voiceless,corrupted abused,fighting a battle that never stops against those who see freedom as the freedom to abuse,exploit,dominate,control or use people. I have to exist if anything to keep screaming NO!!! to those who would destroy.

I dreamed of making this house a sanctuary,I tried to find good roommates who had empathy but they wouldn't contribute to the household they had no understanding of I exist because we are. And some were very exploitative,sociopaths,I had to evict them because they were abusing me..

It was emotional torture trying to make a sanctuary..

Anyway I try to help regardless where there is someone who needs me to if they ask.I volunteer to help too,I try to do what I can, and I don't by stand regarding abuse~ever.. But lack of money makes life so fucking hard to live because being poor,disabled,having PTSD gives you a stigma,a stigmata that will follow you everywhere no matter your kindness ,intelligence ,creativity,courage or love...or dreams that have died or still live.

Joy is rare thing when you are so raw inside and aware,of what evil the assholes of this world do and want to do .I'm scared. TPP,the spying,and more. I know deep down we are being set up somehow,to be made powerless, to stop those who would dominate us and play king,god itself with our lives..I do not bow to gods or kings. They'll try to break me.They'll try to break all of us who are honest,have a mind of our own care and have courage in our hearts.

Would I be labeled a terraist because I tell the truth or get frustrated and rant my true feelings? especially because I'm poor,crazy and have guts to say no and tell the truth to power...Yeah.
I have been been mistreated for shaming authoritarians who'd rather get people to believe lies.
Why? Is it because the bullies out there,the republicans convinced themselves am I everything that is wong with society.They SAY it's because I'm poor and disabled .But I think it is by what others have done to me in the name of trying to make me be what they wanted me to be,or to control me or exploit my tender heart,my body.And I didn't just shut up ,blend in,and go along with it.Because I won't tolerate abuse,and I am aware of what the mind of a sociopath is about.

I never asked to be born. I often wish my body didn't require food or water ,never had to sleep,could not get sick or get wounded and that my mind had never been hurt, and could never be hurt or manipulated that my body could never be violated, that I was beautiful and popular and seen as a good person,there was nothing wrong with me. I bet alot of people wish that too.

I wish I could be happy.Protected from the cruelty in this world ,find joy in something,be a joy to be around all the time, be free of the constant stress of worrying about survival and protecting my mind and body,and the dangers this civilization game brings to humanity .But why I can't handle what others take in stride I do not know. It makes me feel incompetent. But I deal with it all anyway.But I can feel the damage it is doing.

I wish I was more entertaining,fun had friends who liked to come over and hang out maybe do things together ,maybe even try to change things in the world. In reality I live isolated mostly. Transportation is a problem,I have problems ,others are stressed and have problems.This world is a monster to me,and the hatred of the weak by the wealthy ,the strong,the healthy, the popular,the 'attractive' is pathological,it surrounds us like toxic air and it will ruin our ability to survive together or ever know what it means to be safe more than awhile.

The cycles of war,peace,democracies,authoritarianism,war, peace,have been going forever.Just like the cycle of violence in an abusive relationship it's the macro and the micro,same pattern..How long will we suffer the cycles of empire and the hyper exploitation civilization and the market and abuse causes until all the I's get together into a WE, say NO more you,WE have had enough of THAT shit out of the likes of you..

Everyone has to find it inside themselves to become a WE and stand up to the smooth talking manipulators,liars and bullies,the fear inside, the hateful people and tell them to shut up and do what is necessary to stop them,even if it's death.Death not to deter crime or punish people. But to stop the abuser who refuses to stop abusing others.Sometimes the abuser won't get it with words or a punch in the nose.Sometimes you have to do what most think is wrong to do what is right,that is what I mean by a Deeper moral understanding. If you are not a sociopath you cannot become one,even if you kill a sociopath. Sociopathy is not contagious no matter how bad you have been abused. It takes a certain personality type to be an abuser\sociopath\ rule the world and micromangage millions of lives via technology and seek full spectrum domination over others lives in this entire world who are not for the most part sociopaths.

And until people quit being solipsists,understand some people are NOT like themselves,recognize what a real danger is VS. themselves making bogeyman,being manipulated emotionally, being offended or freaked out themselves things won't change.People need to own their emotions and quit thinking something that's different is always dangerous because they feel anxiety,uneasy offended or scared.People need to emotionally mature. And that means seeing that we all are not the same,we are equal and different at the same time and that is to a point OK.
But also some people among us really do exist that love to tear down dreams,to scapegoat,to bully ,to take and society will never be safe and people to exist around because these bullies they just don't want to stop doing the abuse stop the bullying,stop hating, stop thinking themselves superior and entitled to take it all to themselves,those so called 'winners'.

Some people they actually like causing harm to others,dominating them,tearing them apart.And these people think they are so much superior,we can chicken and egg the causes of sociopaths all day,love will not change them,therapy can't help because they like getting bashing those who cannot fight back, they like getting away with abuse,being assholes and monsters and they love to tear the souls out of people like me because they think I am inferior to themselves.Every social darwinist asshole puts themselves as superior.And they don't see any reason to change what they are.

But I know what they do they project upon the ones they hate,the weak,the poor,disabled,victims,what they really under that 'winner'mask, what they truly ARE.

They try to force us the victims,the poor,the people who care and are wounded to become like THEM in personality by abusing us hating us keeping us poor,hurt powerless.Because if we abuse,exploit,hate,use,rape,destroy others souls,The bullies have no one who dares stand up to say NO to what the sociopaths do to the ones like me who don't give up on our moral understanding of right and wrong and don't keep our eyes down when looking at a wannabe king..The sociopath can get away with causing pain to others and shutting down empathy and killing love itself if people LET them.

The sociopath,the republican asshole,the assholes everywhere they want a world without love courage,wisdom,understanding,kindness empathy,honesty and bravery,for these are the things inside some of us that says NO to racism,authoritarianism,abuse,financial abuse and all the other b horrors these anti humane asshole people try to do to others,especially those who are wounded by their kind,or can't fight back.

Someday I have a silly dream I can't let go of that maybe people will stop letting bullies who think their superior rule,maybe someday ...we will finally agree...I am because we are. and we will not be abused anymore because of a few I's that will not change who want to rule,abuse and exploit.My life has sent me asking why and my whys led to this.We have to stand up not just a few,all of us who do not like to abuse others.

The truth is this world never had to become like this. It does not have to be a monster, it will have death, sickness,injury and isn't that painful enough?.The sociopaths among us want to be passive monsters let them do what they want.We have to say NO you can't do that to US because I say NO, and I have a right to be what I am because WE have a right to be what WE are.Even if YOU,social darwinist self entitling,vicious,morally dead,empty ,black heart,do not care, cannot love,want power over us more than life itself,bully do not like it. Society has grown so big atomized and impersonal it has took away some of our power.WE have to get aquainted with I,US and EACH OTHER again, to become WE again..

Someday maybe WE will break up and leave the abuser and the abusive system.

Until then I can and anyone else who'll join in can scream NO You can't DO that to me because WE are not going to tolerate the intolerable anymore. Sadly this hell will remain.The murder will continue,the bullying and hate will the exploitation and abuse will.The strong will hate the weak, will remain until WE do something to stop it. We have to save each other to save ourselves. The world does not have to be like this.

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Reply What about the weak makes the strong hate them? (Original post)
undergroundpanther Jun 2013 OP
polly7 Jun 2013 #1
Catherina Jun 2013 #2
AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #3
treestar Jun 2013 #4
undergroundpanther Jun 2013 #6
GoCubsGo Jun 2013 #15
LiberalEsto Jun 2013 #9
undergroundpanther Jun 2013 #24
99Forever Jun 2013 #5
undergroundpanther Jun 2013 #7
99Forever Jun 2013 #8
undergroundpanther Jun 2013 #12
99Forever Jun 2013 #16
zeemike Jun 2013 #10
gtar100 Jun 2013 #11
undergroundpanther Jun 2013 #22
Iliyah Jun 2013 #13
DirkGently Jun 2013 #14
Spirochete Jun 2013 #17
daleanime Jun 2013 #18
siligut Jun 2013 #19
undergroundpanther Jun 2013 #21
siligut Jun 2013 #25
undergroundpanther Jun 2013 #30
gtar100 Jun 2013 #40
leftyohiolib Jun 2013 #20
Moonwalk Jun 2013 #23
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Response to undergroundpanther (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 10:06 AM

1. Absolutely brilliant post, undergroundpanther. nt.

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Response to undergroundpanther (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 10:11 AM

2. "We have to save each other to save ourselves. The world does not have to be like this"

NO it doesn't and it can't be, at least we have to do everything we can to fight these injustices, these monstrosities.

I've been proud to stand by your side in this fight and I will always be.

I'm concerned about your living situation. Please check your inbox dear Undergroundpanther.

"We have to save each other to save ourselves."

That's the simple truth of your brilliant rant.

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Response to undergroundpanther (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 10:11 AM

3. "What about the weak makes the strong hate them?" It might be catching.

 

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Response to undergroundpanther (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 10:12 AM

4. Fear of it in themselves

They fear they could succumb to weakness.

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Response to treestar (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 10:31 AM

6. They are weak already

they cannot love. They will not share,refuse to face what they are, they are petrified of differences,petrified of another's freedom to say no,they won't understand, don't want to care,so they do thier best to make us, like them . But they can't no matter how much they hurt us.

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Response to undergroundpanther (Reply #6)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:26 AM

15. Exactly right.

They aren't "stronger". They are a bunch of scared, ignorant cowards who fear everything and everyone that doesn't fit in their narrow, little worlds. What they are really doing is bullying people.

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Response to treestar (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 10:45 AM

9. Fear, definitely

 

Some, not all but some, of these people are scared shitless deep inside. They hate this part of themselves, so they abuse the hell out of those who overtly show fear.

Sometimes I wonder if I could have escaped some of the childhood bullying by learning to act tough and appearing willing to fight back. Unfortunately I was raised by European immigrants who taught me to fear and respect teachers and other authority figures, and to be meek, passive and obedient. I was taught to never argue or fight back. In other words, I received the perfect training to be a bullying victim.

Undergroundpanther, I think there are a lot of people on DU who not only don't hate you, but actually like you.

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Response to LiberalEsto (Reply #9)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:01 PM

24. I'm so sad you got bullied.

It sucks. I am one to defy abusive people Even if it got me in trouble. I had a limit bully went past it they'd get hurt.But because I was different I didn't lead or follow,I was a target.

As for early childhood I had no example to know what was abusive or not to compare.So I got hurt and realized why, after that I tolerated it no more as much as I could.Sometimes I trigger become locked into the past and be passive.But I am aware of that now.I was only half aware half the time during the years of bullying.Much of my past is unknown to me.

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Response to undergroundpanther (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 10:20 AM

5. It really does baffle the mind to...

...try and comprehend what drives the heartless bastards.

And you are absolutely correct that the world does not have to be like this, but sadly as long as we nothing but bullies on one side of the aisle, and spineless surrender monkeys on the other, the kind of REAL CHANGE, not campaign LIES, will not happen.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #5)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 10:36 AM

7. It's pointless to try to comprehend it

People have been trying to since ancient times.Maybe you should listen to the monsters themselves and what they say to explain themselves. Not after they are caught,but before..Like,because I can,I feel like it,or "you" made me do so and so,usually aimed at a person they've victimized in private. Could it be these empty hearted emotionally dead monsters in human suits do such evil becauuse they're bored and can get away with it?

You are seeing a sociopath from your own perspective. Too many people do that,and it helps the abuse continue.

Maybe WHY is the wrong question. Maybe the question we should be asking is Why do WE let this happen? Why do WE tolerate the intolerable behavior of some people.What good is it doing to help the world tolerating all this abuse by some people?

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Response to undergroundpanther (Reply #7)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 10:44 AM

8. I guess I am seeing...

... sociopaths from my own perspective because it's the only one I have. I'm not sure where you got that I think it should be tolerated, when in fact, quite the opposite is true.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #8)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:10 AM

12. No I don't think you tolerate abuse.

Yes our own perspective is what we have most the time,but we need to learn to step outside our own perspective sometimes.


How I do it is by imagining what if I were..__________ It is an excercise in knowing the 'other'. it cultivates awareness.But you have to be totally honest.


What if there were no limits on what I could do,If I wanted to do it I could. But avoiding all the people who might say I can't do____ becomes a game of how can I get away with___... ever notice how bullies build gangs around themselves by manipulating emotionally passive people? Soon others who share that sociopath way of thinking will join in the game all will build a posse it will become a huge game, with___ as victims. All that matters in that mindset is "winning" and building a posse to protect you from losses and those people that say you can't do____.

That's all social interaction can be to a person with dead emotions. A hallmark of sociopaths is emotional shallowness or deadness.

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Response to undergroundpanther (Reply #12)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:33 AM

16. I think we are in agreement.

Perhaps I'm not expressing myself as well as I should.

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Response to undergroundpanther (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 10:59 AM

10. As you probably know, I agree with you.

But the simple answer is that if they have someone to look down on it makes them feel higher...They themselves are insecure.

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Response to undergroundpanther (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:05 AM

11. Love and justice are real. And those who hate that which is inherently good

are living in denial at their own peril. Because I desire justice and feel it tear at the very fabric of my being when I see someone being violated and abused, I know that it is elemental to this universe. I didn't create this longing for justice and by your words and others who have inspired me I know it exists independent of me. Even if its fruition were to take the lifetime of several universes, it still seems reckless and foolish to willingly cause others suffering and pain for the sake of personal pleasure and gain. True justice demands complete restitution.

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Response to gtar100 (Reply #11)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:54 PM

22. yes.

Justice is making what is wrong,right. I desire justice I see everything used to block it,and I find those who fear justice ,mock it,undermine it,twist it,lie about it, try to disarm it are those violating and abusing life itself.

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Response to undergroundpanther (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:16 AM

13. Greed

"Is the desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. . ."

Gluttony "Is an inordinate desire to consume more than that which one requires"

People who crave power over others are afraid of losing statute, and their material things.

You are far from being alone in your reality. I believe the so called powerful loses sight of civil and compassionate reality.

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Response to undergroundpanther (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:23 AM

14. Fear. And ignorance.


Those are inherent human flaws that we are supposed to fight to overcome with our minds and hearts. Some people see pushing down as a way to raise themselves up.


This post stopped me dead in my tracks. You've hit all the nails I hope people come here to hammer on, beautifully.

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Response to undergroundpanther (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:46 AM

17. They aren't truly strong

they just happen to be in a position of advantage that allows them to kick those around who are not. Someone strong wouldn't feel the need to do that. They're just mean.

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Response to undergroundpanther (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:11 PM

18. Because doing so....

gives them some little justification in their cold hearts and that little bit is all they need. Its a sad and scarily place to be, yet so many people live there.

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Response to undergroundpanther (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:16 PM

19. Did you grow up in a religious family?

What you posted is complex, but like you, I believe there is hope.

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Response to siligut (Reply #19)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:50 PM

21. no

but in my seeking I got abused by religious people and have decided organized religion is not for me. I do not believe,I seek..
Other than that a pedophile christian asshole abused me when I was a kid.
And yes I hate religion.I hate the books that are supposedly holy written by people that get used as tools of opression or social control.Any god with less moral character than I have is worthless.That is MOST gods. Including pagan ones. I am no worshipper. Christ says some very evil things and some insightful things.Most people who believe rather than seek rationalize away the ugliness written holy books.I mean c'mon APOLOGETICS..I do not rationalize it I discard it ,but take out what seems true.and I do not believe I seek.I explore the unknown in myself in the universe. I find what I find and ften attempting to build a "framework" fails so I do not believe,I seek.Reality changes information changes wisdom grows but it can't grow if faith is in the way.

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Response to undergroundpanther (Reply #21)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:10 PM

25. I agree, "wisdom grows but it can't grow if faith is in the way"

When you mentioned PTSD, I wondered about religious sexual abuse. I do find that discipline helps, but when it is learned through Christian religion it is skewed and while it may benefit the individual it ends up hurting the culture, as the Christian religion has been co-opted by extremists.

Maybe that answers part of your original question. The strong are prejudiced against the weak because they have been portrayed by these extremists as unloved by god.

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Response to siligut (Reply #25)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:42 PM

30. I have gobne through

religious sexual abuse.also church abuse.Assemblies of god.


I don't think there is a god.

If there was and he let the innocent,the goodhearted,the gentle in this world suffer like this I would want to kill it. I don't want to think there is a god because the only god I see is a fucking asshole who put me in this body prison and did nothing to help me,nothing to tell me he was there,nothing to give me hope for a future or stop the abusers,nothing to stop anything bad from happening all over this planet . I am too cynical to hope for things unseen.Because the reason it's unseen bothers me.

I feel this not only for myself but for every suffering creature made to suffer here because of bad lazy cowardly evil people. I actually hate the concept of a god.

Because I am not bowing down to a monster that created this horrible world just so the good within it could be abused.I don't care about heavens or hells.I want to be out of this fucking body cage ,crammed on this rock with so many assholes and too few good people around. I don't want this body,don't want this life,don't want to compete,fight,struggle stress and hurt and pay the rich to exist.I am so tired and so sad,and so alone,so frustrated,There is no justice because people are scared to use thier own power.They let the assholes take over.

And I have a very hard time existing in this world to be honest.

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Response to undergroundpanther (Reply #30)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:22 AM

40. Except look at what you inspire here. I have felt those same feelings

and had similar thoughts and now I feel far less alone with them than before. Your longing for what is good in this world and your disgust of all things evil is a gift to this world, to the universe. We need more of that, not less, and it's a terrible burden to carry in the face of such gross negligence all around us. Even if everyone else blindly marches to the cliff of extinction, our very existence is an opportunity to cultivate kindness, compassion, love, understanding, the fire of justice, and to burn away ignorance and greed.

Those are my better angels speaking. I can get pretty cynical too sometimes. But this thread and all its contributors have woken me up out of that delusion, even if for a brief spell.

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Response to undergroundpanther (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:19 PM

20. they play strong cause they are weak and scared. beating up on those they can makes them feel

 

like they can still control somethings

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Response to undergroundpanther (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:58 PM

23. Actually, the answer is incredibly simple: They are Lazy. I don't mean in the workplace...

I mean morally, ethically and empathetically lazy and selfish. The poor, to these people, are like hungry people outside the window as they try to enjoy dinner. The selfish part of them wants those poor gone so they can enjoy the dinner--out of sight, out of mind. And the lazy part of them doesn't want to have to do anything constructive to get rid of them because, well, that takes work. If you say, "If a person s poor it's their own fault..." then you don't have to do anything--you absolve yourself morally and ethically from any obligation to help them--even to help them help themselves (i.e. provide jobs).

Stigmatize, ghettoize, and demonize. Stigmatize means you blame the victim so you need not take any responsibility or ever feel bad for not helping them. Ghettoize means out of sight, out of mind. Get the hungry away from the window--or more precisely, out of the stores where their food stamp cards remind others that they exist and hurt their enjoyment of their own good life. It also means no one can call you on your lies (i.e. "I'm friends with a poor person and know they work hard..." If poor people are all in the ghetto, you can say what you like about them and those out side the ghetto will believe it). This also allows one the fringe benefit of demonizing--meaning instant scapegoat, one that (like all good scapegoats) can't really fight back. So you can blame them not only for their own situation, but for other evils. Like "why is our government so in the red?" --uh, oh, can't let anyone know it's because of that useless war we started..."The poor! All those expensive programs to help the poor are to blame."

It's no surprise this ancient method is used time and again by the selfish and lazy so they can eat in their exclusive club without undesirables ruining their lunch. The real problem, however, is not these people. It's those that are not them, and not their victims. The ones who could end all this simply by siding with the victims and calling the selfish/lazy on their lies. But they don't. Like the town backing the footballs player rapists and blaming the girl who was raped, they'd rather swallow the lie then face the truth. The truth means they have to get involved, feel bad, take responsibility, and actually do something. Given a way out of all that, they too will selfishly, and lazily take it.

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Response to Moonwalk (Reply #23)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:26 PM

28. You are 100% correct

about the selfish assholes that make up the posse that cluster around the sociopaths and do the sociopaths dirtywork as they collect perks of being powerful and popular.

Because they'd rather swallow the lie and be lazy rather than risk being abused and scapegoated themselves by associating with the undesirables.

Politics is just like in school ..

There was a girl in a bully posse who always tried to instigate a fight, with me.She'd say insults,when her leader and posse were there to back her up. Often they'd get to the point my limit was crossed and one or more would get hurt.One time the teacher assigned just her and I to a table that was seperated somewhat from the other tables.. She told me my art was amazing,she actually said she liked me,she never knew I was so smart.. But as soon as she was re-assigned to the table with her sociopath bully leader and the posse she went back to being cruel to me,like that time with me never even happened.

She would start an incident and then when teachers moseyed over she blamed me.Again and again she did this.Later the vice principal figured out she was full of shit put us in a room to 'fight it out' and she was scared shitless of me.I grabbed her throat and told her that because she said she liked me,in art class that day 2 years ago I would not kill her,but I told her you know I could kill you right now.I could do it anytime..So I reccomend you leave me the fuck alone.And..finally she did. And there were no more incidents between she and I.

That is how vile people can be when they accept a leader and become a minion of a bully and are scared to be disloyal to the posse they think gives them social privleges.

the unpopular kid is bullied by the ones clinging to the lead bullies coat tails. If they actually had the guts to step out of the posse then they might find scapegoats are not always bad people,and if they had the guts to stand up against the posse and the abuser at the center of it,they might find freindship does not need cocercion to be real,but it takes compassion and understanding and sharing even of weakness and an honoring of the bonds of trust,and there is nowhere to evelate ones self lest they face rejection..

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Response to undergroundpanther (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:12 PM

26. Powerful words, Panther.

No, no! The world does not have to be like this!

The bullying I suffered as a kid "taught" me to be invisible. That was not a good thing. I have things that need to be said and people who will listen.

I don't have the resources to make things better for you (not money anyways...) but I am listening.

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Response to undergroundpanther (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:40 PM

29. Thank you for sharing this.

 

"The world does not have to be like this." Yes. You are absolutely correct.

The "strong" hate the "weak" because the system we live under rewards bullying and sociopathy, and punishes compassion and empathy. Sometimes I wonder if, at some level, the bullies and sociopaths recognize that they contribute nothing to society but destruction, greed, and , but they aren't willing to admit that, so they project that hatred of themselves onto the weaker people.

Maybe it's also a defense mechanism, too. Think of it this way: a lot of people are only a couple steps removed from joining the ranks of the "weak" (the poor, the voiceless, the downtrodden) themselves. They fear (correctly) that the system will have little to no use for them in the near future, other than as slave labor. However, it's more socially acceptable to hate, mock, and wrinkle their noses at the poorest among us than it is to turn your anger on the REAL culprits-the rich and powerful.

Thanks for this post. Solidarity, forever.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Reply #29)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:50 PM

31. forever

solidarity

I just realized this,solidarity with the vulnerable,the victims,the innocent,lovers, the wounded,the scapegoats, the trying to be free is what keeps me from killing myself.

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Response to undergroundpanther (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:14 PM

32. I couldn't finish reading your post.

Maybe later.

The reason? Because I felt the post was about me. It hurt. It scared me. It sickened me. All the things you are going through are things I am going through. And there is no help. I just spent three weeks in the corner of my couch, not answering the phone because the world terrifies me and there is no help.

People with who I have so much in common disdain me because I am poor and damaged, only adding further to the damage.

Poverty, PTSD and dissociation. The reason I don't kill myself. Two friends and two cats.

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Response to Hatchling (Reply #32)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 03:10 PM

35. you are only "damaged" because you are not damaged

 

in a dysfunctional world only the dysfunctional can function normally.

i hope what i say does not sound patronising and i am no expert or anything, but from where i stand ptsd and disassociation these are symptoms, and symptoms of a sickness outside of you, and not coming from you, or belonging to you.
the people that "measure" you based on wealth or poverty are empty,
it is easier for me to say because for me it is a choice to have more time for myself,
and less stress, and less money than i could have if i wanted.

i value sunshine, a nice breeze, being out in nature, the smells and sensations, i value that much more highly than money.
walking/being outside is good, its not help, but it is good.

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Response to undergroundpanther (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:48 PM

33. we're chimps and bonobos on alternate days

The rampant cruelty and willingness to torment and destroy the weak is a trait of one of our nearest simian relatives, but not the other. We also have a nurturing and peaceful solidarity as a potential within us, to be more like our bonobo cousins. But the kind of group ganging up and bullying that humans and chimps enjoy-- that is something subhuman in us that can destroy everything we build with our cooperative side.

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Response to undergroundpanther (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:50 PM

34. Broad brush statement.

Bullying is not about being strong and taking it out on weak ones. Bullying is usually about insecurity and self loathing.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #34)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 07:25 PM

36. that was broad brush quantess

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Response to undergroundpanther (Reply #36)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 03:59 AM

39. I have looked deeply into the problem, and you are misstating it.

Although I admit I was also misstating the problem. Clearly neither one of us are psychologists.

People with healthy self esteem have no need to bully others.

What you call an excess of self esteem (narcisissm) is actually more like a superiority-inferiority complex. Those are deeply insecure people who need to feel better than everyone else. So actually bullies are not strong at all. Bullies are insecure, and are psychological weaklings.


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Response to undergroundpanther (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:29 PM

37. Because those who believe they have the power are actually the weak ones.

 

I think you know this.

You once told me that (I'm paraphrasing), 'for those of us that can see the wrongs, the world treats us badly as a kind of immune response'.

Because it fears us. Because THEY fear us. They hate because they are afraid.

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Response to undergroundpanther (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:08 PM

38. Some people require a scapegoat. I don't know why. Maybe because they cannot

accept the bad within themselves.

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