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Mon Jun 17, 2013, 05:52 PM

 

Obama is going to lose young people if he doesn't reverse at least some of his surveillance policies

"The drop in Obama's support is fueled by a dramatic 17-point decline over the past month among people under 30, who, along with black Americans, had been the most loyal part of the Obama coalition," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

Six in 10 disapprove of how Obama is handling government surveillance of U.S. citizens, which is higher than the 52% who disapproved of George W. Bush on the same issue in 2006, when government surveillance was also in the headlines.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/17/cnn-poll-obama-approval-falls-amid-controversies/

Who is carrying around all the devices that are being used to monitor us? Which group probably is a bit riskier in their activities from sexting to recreational drug use?

If we allow this to continue it will be a legacy of the Democratic Party who expanded the collection of data beyond Dick Cheney's wildest dreams.

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Reply Obama is going to lose young people if he doesn't reverse at least some of his surveillance policies (Original post)
dkf Jun 2013 OP
NightWatcher Jun 2013 #1
rhett o rick Jun 2013 #39
allin99 Jun 2013 #76
Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #51
muntrv Jun 2013 #59
graham4anything Jun 2013 #2
HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #6
graham4anything Jun 2013 #8
HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #14
graham4anything Jun 2013 #18
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graham4anything Jun 2013 #24
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graham4anything Jun 2013 #40
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99Forever Jun 2013 #17
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Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2013 #58
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Response to dkf (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 05:53 PM

1. I know I'm not voting for him next time

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:59 PM

39. Not worried about him. How damaging is this to Democrats running for Congress in 2014? nm

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #39)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 09:09 PM

76. young people don't really care that much...

they vote dem anyway, and if they are t'd off over spying they're not gonna vote pub. one thing i've noticed since this all began is that many people don't actually care about the issues, just what team they're on. We know that approval/disapproval of surveillance techniques have completely flipped flopped by people in both parties, dems now okay with it and pubs against it. So they'll vote for dems cuz they're democrats, they don't really care about the issues in earnest (hence all the snowden bashing here). Some young voters do actually care, but i don't think all that many.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:14 PM

51. Me neither!

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:27 PM

59. I'm not voting for him either in 2016.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 05:55 PM

2. It will really be funny when Eric Cantor and Joe Biden are President and Vice President in 15

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:06 PM

6. Doesn't work that way.

 

Biden would be POTUS, he picks his VPOTUS. If Obama and Biden both out, then Boehner becomes POTUS. Cantor doesn't figure in picture.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:09 PM

8. Do you think they will stop with Obama? And Cantor/Ryan have wanted to overthrow Boehner for years

 

If they own both houses, nothing will stop them, and they will have two full years to undo every single MORE important
issue.
It will be 1859 again.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:15 PM

14. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

The order of Presidential succession is spelled out in a Constitutional Amendment. Cantor and Ryan don't enter into the picture.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #14)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:19 PM

18. Why would they stop with one. And they would NEVER confirm a new VP in time.

 

what makes you think Boehner would be rechosen to be speaker?.


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Vice President of the United States Joe Biden (D)

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Speaker of the House John Boehner (R)

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President pro tempore of the Senate Patrick Leahy (D)

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Secretary of State John Kerry (D)

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Secretary of the Treasury Jacob Lew (D)

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Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel (R)

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Attorney General Eric Holder (D)

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Secretary of the Interior Sally Jewell (D)[3]

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Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack (D)

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Acting Secretary of Commerce Cameron Kerry (D) [4]

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Acting Secretary of Labor Seth Harris (D) [4]

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Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius (D)

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Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Shaun Donovan (D)

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Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood (R)

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Secretary of Energy Ernest Moniz (D)

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Secretary of Education Arne Duncan (D)

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Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki (I)

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Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano (D

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #18)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:35 PM

21. They don't have Biden targeted in any scandals.

 

And if they try to manufacture a scandal as a pretext they're going to be pummelled at the polls.
Boehner faces a bigger threat to his seat from a Dem than from a Repuke. The GOP is losing patience with the teabaggers, and their actual power (what little they had) is waning. All they are is a lot of screaching, feces-flinging, monkeys...they make a lot of noise, but don't do anything. They aren't capable of mounting a challange to Boehner.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:40 PM

24. What polls? It would be Jan. 2015, and there would be no election for 2 years.

 

And the republicans already know they are going to lose in 2016 by a landslide, but do people realize how much damage they
could cause for 2 years owning all 4 branches of the government?

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #24)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:52 PM

36. It would take a year to impeach Obama.

 

Which puts us at the midterm campaigns next summer. Then, after the election, the repukes have to find a plausible reason to impeach Biden, and then a year of hearings to impeach him. That puts us right at the beginning of the '16 General Election campaigns. If their reason to impeach Biden was shakey, voters will hammer them at polls. I don't think GOP is conceding '16 at this point. Although they don't have a strong candidate at this time, one could emerge by then. Obama was still a relative nobody back in summer of '05.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #36)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:59 PM

40. Please re-read. I said Jan. 2015. After the 2014 are over. Not now.

 

And in 2004, I myself was wearing a President Obama 2004 button(2004, along with 2008 and 2012).

Reason for them to also impeach Biden? What reason did they have to waste time on impeaching Bill Clinton(who today is far more popular than ever). If they own 4 branches, they can do whatever they want.

BTW, if they were to somehow do it, I change my pick for VP to Michelle Obama, and if it was Hillary/Michelle, it will be 538-0 in 2016.

But make no mistake, they wouldn't let Biden if he also wasn't, pick a VP, so it would remain open til after the 2016 race.

(last thing they would do is let Biden pick say Hillary)

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #40)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:10 PM

49. No. A new Congress is just getting sworn in in Jan 15.

 

If it took them 6 months to gin up an excuse to impeach Biden, thats summer of 15. Then a year of investigations and impeachment hears puts us at summer 16. Right before conventions. If they didn't have an airtight case, voters will thrash them at polls in fall 16 GE. Too risky.
Even if evidence surfaces Obama abused power in NSA surveillence, I don't think repukes will impeach. They will want to keep that mechanism in place for a hopeful repuke president. Thats why Bill is supporting it.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #49)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:19 PM

53. People support it because in the real world, 3000 people died on 9-11, and it stopped commerce 10yrs

 

the debate makes it seem like people forget it actually happened. And they remember that there was a great period in 1992 to 2000 and who was in office then.

Ron Paul voted FOR Afghanastan.

America loved FDR and Lincoln and Lincoln ran for re-election AFTER doing what he did, meaning the public ratified what he did.

BTW, no one pays attention to anything in the summer anyhow so all people are doing is saying their view against the president,
but no one is listening.

BECAUSE President Obama's TRUE supporters don't listen to the alt-media people and the Ron Paul groupies who they know have been attempting one smear after another.

And, btw, if the law should change, the President would get 100% of the credit when people come time to pick
Hillary or Jeb.

So it's just talking points against the President, but this President is not Jimmy Carter and the same old smears by the same old
people 100 times, people stopped paying attention after the Rev. Wright and the Birthers, which resonated NOT at all with the voters
that mattered.

And, the secret Democratic weapon is this-
people who say, aw, we should have voted for Hillary, well in 2016, they will.

and HIllary and Obama are on the same team. That is 95% of the democratic party.

It would be a shame if protest voters though stopped the house from being democratic.


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Response to graham4anything (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 08:59 PM

72. 1859?

 

you have jumped the shark even for you.

You really want to claim that if the repukes win 2014 they will reinstitute slavery?

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:02 PM

42. The Republicans are going to impeach Pres Obama. He has incorporated Republicans

 

into his administration. Clapper and Mueller are but two but there are more. Republicans love the Patriot Act.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 05:56 PM

3. Hell, the Democratic Party is going to lose a lot of voters if they don't do something about this.


Young voters obviously won't turn to the Repugs. But they will create their own splinter parties. It's a new era, and they're not beholden to the Dems the way older voters are...

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:00 PM

4. Oh please, less of the vapors ..we are a couple weeks into a non-scandal

One poll , two weeks in and we are supposed to get excited? Really?

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Response to pkdu (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:18 PM

17. Brilliant!

Just keep right on trying to minimize this violation of our Constitutionally GUARANTEED civil rights and let us know how that works out for you.


Mmmmmmmmmmmmmkay?

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #17)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:47 PM

32. I can tell you exactly how it'll work out.

 

Exactly the same way this sort of thing played out last time.

The Democrats will take a drubbing next year, and the "centrists" will blame liberals. They'll say the left-- pardon me-- The Left (that's much more ominous) abandoned the Democrats and that the electoral disaster is proof that the party should disregard liberals in the future since they're fickle an inconstant.

When it eventually turns out that liberals voted in strong numbers, and it was the so-called centrists who abandoned the party, they'll say that we obviously have to disregard liberal complaints next time and appeal more to moderates.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #17)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:52 PM

34. Before getting worked up , I like to wait for pesky stuff like evidence....so far from Snowden

Zero, zip ,nada.

And a few lies and exaggerations thrown in for good measure, so yes , the bar is now higher.

Show me how Americans here at home are systematically in practice ( not theory ) being listened to or comms read every day THEN I can get worked up.

So far from Snowden ....big tease ...in fact if he has something and is dragging it out to get Greenwald more copy...fuck HIM.

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Response to pkdu (Reply #34)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:58 PM

38. Hmmmm.

Worked GREAT for the Dems in 2010, eh?


Just brilliant! You guys are a hoot.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #38)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:05 PM

44. Wow "you guys" ... Some on here would call that comment "mission accomplished" for good old

Edward.

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Response to pkdu (Reply #44)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:12 PM

50. It's pretty obvious ...

... who's carrying water for the character assignation team. It's always extremely obvious why.

Me, I care fuckall about who, what is the only real issue for anyone with actual principles. So yes, "you guys."

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #50)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:20 PM

54. Would love to hear the "extremely obviously" theme expanded on given you and I haven't ever

exchanged posts (to my knowledge)

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Response to pkdu (Reply #54)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:23 PM

56. Golly...

... I'll get right on that for you. Hold your breath.

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Response to pkdu (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:40 PM

25. a non-scandal

you wish

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #25)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:45 PM

27. As Snowden himself says...he's disappointed by the lack of public reaction...he is not

Laughing .

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Response to pkdu (Reply #27)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:41 PM

66. I didn't catch that quote from Snowden

got a link?

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #66)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:56 PM

69. His disappointment was in "Media response" not public directly.

On the media response:
"Initially I was very encouraged. Unfortunately, the mainstream media now seems far more interested in what I said when I was 17 or what my girlfriend looks like rather than, say, the largest program of suspicionless surveillance in human history."

From today's live Q&A at Guardian.

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Response to pkdu (Reply #69)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 08:04 PM

70. "The mainstream media"

--he's right in calling them out for their deflection and spin.

The only mainstream media I pay any attention to is Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow who've done a reasonable job. And there's also been good coverage internationally.

The reality may have to be dealt with gradually, as it does when a shock wave goes through the populace. Maybe even Snowden needs to realize that. Whole lotta denial out there. But the genie is out of the bottle and finally people are discussing this.

I'm encouraged, especially by the amount of suppression effort going on at DU. This story is a biggie.

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Response to pkdu (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:03 PM

43. LOL. I agree. Nothing to see here, keep moving.

 

After all the Republicans started the encroachments into our freedoms and liberties.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:04 PM

5. Too late, but it's not Obama it's the party that's screwed now. nt

 

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:11 PM

11. Yep, if Dems want to remain viable they have to hold Obama accountable.

 

Nixon took the GOP down with him over Watergate. Same could happen to Dems if Obama is found to have over-reached his hand and abused his power. Dems need to have an intervention.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:15 PM

15. And quickly. nt

 

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:26 PM

58. Accountable for what?

Any evidence of law-breaking (past or present)? You want to have a debate about surveillance and curtailing some of these data collection operations, fine. You want to have Congress alter or abolish some of them, fine. But what do you expect Dems to do in terms of "holding him accountable"? Appoint a special prosecutor? Hold impeachment hearings? What? AFAIK he's not been accused of nor implicated in any law-breaking. The NSA programs are LEGAL. Loathsome as they may be to some of us.

These problems didn't even start under President Obama, so why is he being dumped on over this? That's what I don't get. This was passed by Congress and signed into law under Bush/Cheney as I recall back in 2006-2007.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #58)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 08:54 PM

71. Accountable for secrecy and lack of transparancy in NSA surveillence program.

 

There are more than one whistle-blowers, all describe activities that are probably not legal. Hell, even the court has ruled some activity illegal, a decision the WH is still trying to block from the public. Over 60% of the public think the surveillence has gone too far. Certainly it started before Obama, but he doubled down on it...litterally...budget has doubled since he took office. And has this been used for political purposes...spying on Occupy, Keystone protestors, etc? I think the public is entitled to candid answers, and if Obama won't provide them, then his feet need to be held to the fire.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 09:37 PM

81. the only reason dems need to hold the admin responsible is so that on these issues...

the dem party actually stays to the left, or that there is even part of the dem party that will continue to stand against bush's FISA, Patriot act, etc. Which now of course, is no longer something the dem party concerns itself with. The party will be fine no matter what, there's only 2 viable parties, where are people gonna go, and they know that and that's why they can get away with this cr-p. It's our rights that will be lost, we the people will lose, but the parties will be just fine.

that's why i don't understand the numbers of people here not only defend the nsa but spend time vilifying the mssger, even to the point of pushing back on people who question and disapprove of surveillance tactics, all in order to protect the admin and the party. What are people thinking..the party has billions of dollars, has millions and millions of strictly partisan voters, mass media, have incredible amounts of power... it's we the people, and the issues that will suffer if people do not hold the admin (and that goes for any admin) responsible.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:07 PM

7. And us young people will go RUNNING to the GOP....

....Because we just LOVE their stances on the social issues, and economic issues like student loans.....

We are several weeks into this "scandal"....Let's all take a deep breath.

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:13 PM

12. Who knows where they will go.

 

Maybe we can keep them, but someone like Hillary isn't going to work anymore. We need a different crop, like Wyden or Feingold. Someone in that vein.

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:13 PM

13. You must be one of those...

...young people obsessed with sexting and recreational drug use. How do you find time to post on a message board?

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Response to Wait Wut (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:32 PM

20. Haha!

Not only am I a young person, but I'm a young Liberal!

I just had my party for my graduation from high school where many of my Republican relatives came, and they are not pleased that I'm a Democrat. I'm filling out the "Thank You" cards now and I'm thinking of writing in them, "contrary to popular belief, your money will not go toward marijuana and birth control!"

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:45 PM

28. Gratz on the graduation!

I would refrain from the added message on the thank yous. Remember, you still have birthdays and holidays to think of.

Glad to see a young Liberal Dem getting involved!

College plans?

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Response to Wait Wut (Reply #28)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:46 PM

31. Thank you!

And yes, I think I will hold off on the side note in the Thank You cards!

I plan on going to a branch campus of the University of Pittsburgh to study Political Science, Pre-Law!

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Reply #31)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:52 PM

35. Ahhhh...

...I envy you! Sounds like an excellent plan and one that I wish I had followed.

Good luck to you in whatever you decide!

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Response to Wait Wut (Reply #35)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:53 PM

37. Thanks!

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Reply #31)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:27 PM

60. Cool!

The law needs energetic new lawyers! (Which I mean seriously as you will constantly hear that there are too many lawyers. There are just too many bad ones).

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:23 PM

55. Exactly. Anybody remember Fast & Furious? Tony Rezko? Rev. Wright? Benghazi? IRS? These all...

have one thing in common: People moved on, and they'll move on from this. The whole country wanted watered down gun control, but we didn't get it, and now it's like Newtown never happened. The media had us all salivating for minute to minute coverage of the Boston bombings, and you hear nothing about it these days. A few weeks in politics is a lifetime. There'll be new scandals/news events to replace the old ones. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Bank on it!

The only ones wishing this story would last for a couple of years is the firebaggers. Good luck with that.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #55)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:29 PM

62. Yep. Chained CPI, escalating Afghanistan

the left has left the Democratic party over and over. It's like the same people leave the party over and over. The same people withdraw from supporting President Obama over and over. When will they really leave?

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Response to treestar (Reply #62)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 11:05 PM

85. "When will they really leave? "

If you're talking about the DU, you'll have to convince me that they ever came. It's really hard to tell where you're logging into these days, what with the "Impeach Obama" ads running at the top of the homepage.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #55)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:41 PM

67. No, but I heard there's a game called "Grand Theft Auto 5" for PS4 starring Darrell Issa coming out,

He steals every frickin' car in the game, but nobody will buy any of them because he always wrecks them getting away from the cops.



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Response to Major Hogwash (Reply #67)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 11:00 PM

84. !!!




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Response to dkf (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:09 PM

9. I'm confident in this president. This too shall pass.

 

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:11 PM

10. Clinton lost me.

Somehow, it didn't effect how I've voted since.

I didn't realize that the only interests young people (I'm assuming 'voters') have is sexting and recreational drug use. That's a mighty broad brush you're painting them with. TBH, the young people I know (kids of friends and even some adults) that are concerned with sexting and drug use to the extent that privacy would be a concern don't have a clue what is happening in the real world...or in front of their own house.

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Response to Wait Wut (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:20 PM

19. Well you are of course entitled to your opinion that its people over 35 that are over represented

 

In the numbers.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:15 PM

16. I thought he pretty much lost young people after 2008

 

after all his promises fell through

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Response to burnodo (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 09:23 PM

79. young people hadn't figured it out at that point and clearly...

many still can't. most people are not critical thinkers.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:37 PM

22. The Democratic "brand" sure isn't secret surveillance & smearing


whistleblowers as "traitors" to be hounded and imprisoned.

We're making headway exactly because of how ugly Republicans got with this stuff. We can't sell a watered down version of the same garbage they were selling.

We can do better than this, and we have to do so.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:39 PM

23. He's not running again. Also, people forget. You'll see.

If Congress gets an immigration bill passed, Obama's popularity will go back up.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #23)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:45 PM

29. and there will be 11 million new democratic voters in a few years.

 

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:44 PM

26. this alone shows its the same old/same old as to which side people are on. I ain't fooled

 

btw, kiddies, ron and rand paul don't smoke pot, nor are they in favor of it.
What they are is in favor of pleasing their Bushfamilyinc members by culling voters by saying they are.

After all, Texas and Kentucky have two of the harshest penalties for drugs of any state.
Even Willie Nelson, the Emperor of Austin Texas has been arrested many times for drugs.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:46 PM

30. Young voters are not loyal voters...they will go elsewhere or stay home

 

If you do a poll you will find that most people under 40 will think Snowden is a hero. Most people over 50 will think he's a traitor. It's a generational thing. The older generation is pro-establishment and pro-government.

The generation Y's and millennials are anti-establishment. They are socially liberal and even somewhat libertarian with their "live and let live" philosophy. They are not against regulation of industry, but they dont believe the government has any business being involved in their private life.

Right now they tend to vote Democratic because they have more in common with Democrats. But if the Democrats keep favoring the state and corporations over the people, these voters wont be there in 2016.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #30)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:51 PM

33. That explains why I'm still on the fence: I'm 45

 

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #30)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:06 PM

45. ah, the Ron Paul / Rand Paul thingy. NO President Obama supporter would vote for that.

 

of course, the ones that pick the winning football team each year, might say they are not going to vote,
however, I don't believe they ever were supporters in the first place.

80-20 is coming, and nothing will stop it.

BTW-where are the pictures of Rand and Ron smoking pot? (with inhaling it). I have never seen one.
I don't believe either is actually for it whatsoever. Its just to solicit funds and voters.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #45)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:09 PM

46. 80-20 would be absolute tyranny

 

I will move if that happens.... assuming Im able to leave. Who knows what kind of oppression we will be under in 20 years with this majority.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #46)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:10 PM

48. Imagine the senate/house voting 80-20. How many wonderful things will get done.

 

Like it used to be.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #48)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:15 PM

52. With the current majority? Wonderful?

 

Where both Republicans and Democrats are supporting big banks, major corporations, and moving to destroy our civil liberties?

That majority is going to be the 80%?

I certainly dont see very many people in Congress fighting for the people.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #30)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:10 PM

47. Yes, I think you have a good point

What I see happening is this being their first big political experience, and it is turning out really bad. Voting just isn't worth the effort when no matter who you vote for you get republican policies.

I don't think you can generalize about the over-50 crowd being pro-establishment--they are the 60s children. And I work with Y's and millennials who are really conservative.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #30)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:32 PM

64. Shouldn't you do the poll first before announcing the results? eom

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:02 PM

41. CNN Poll: Majority give Snowden thumbs down

CNN Poll: Majority give Snowden thumbs down

A CNN/ORC International survey released Monday morning indicates that 52% of the public disapproves of Edward Snowden's actions, with 44% saying they approve of the leaks by the former government contractor who worked for the National Security Agency.

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"Younger Americans are less likely than older Americans to call for the U.S. government to prosecute Snowden," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "More than half of Americans over the age of 34 think Snowden should be extradited and prosecuted, but younger Americans are evenly divided. There are no major age differences on the question of whether Americans approve of Snowden's actions, so it seems that there is a generation gap on punishment, but not on the leaks themselves."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/17/cnn-poll-majority-give-snowden-thumbs-down/


As you may know, details of the government collection of phone records and internet data were revealed when a former government contractor named Edward Snowden leaked classified information about those government programs to two newspapers. Do you approve or disapprove of Snowden's actions?

18 to 34

Approve: 45 percent
Disapprove: 52 percent


Do you think the U.S. government should or should not attempt to bring Snowden back to this country and prosecute him for leaking that information?

All

Should 54 percent
Should not 42 percent

18 to 34

Should 49 percent
Should not 48 percent

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2013/images/06/17/rel7a.pdf

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Response to ProSense (Reply #41)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:31 PM

63. How dare you post that Prosense?

And link to it with blue links? How much are they paying you?

Surely you and Obama invented that poll with my help.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #41)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 09:12 PM

78. So 52% disapprove of Snowden? Well, according to the CNN poll, 54% disapprove of Obama.

 

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #78)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 10:01 PM

82. zing!

 

nt

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:25 PM

57. You mean he's going to lose in 2016?



He lost those young people in 2010 too and was losing them in 2012, yet somehow he did not lose in 2012. But the media has frequently assured us that the latest poutrage has lost him their support.

So maybe it's a media orchestrated thing. They figured it worked in 2010.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:28 PM

61. I am very sad about it...

I had such great hopes for Mr. Obama. I thought perhaps we had another FDR. He is certainly better than the alternative, but every time he rolls over he gives the right a chance to get back in the White House. And we all know what that means unless we can hold out until the demographics kill the regressive republican party...

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:35 PM

65. President Obama, you mean. He is the President, so use that term, please, not just "Obama".

And although the President is not up for re-election, national security is not an issue that ANY poll is going to affect.


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Response to dkf (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:50 PM

68. Not good. He's already lost old people

Wait,what? He's running for a third term?

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 09:01 PM

73. what does he care? And even if he WERE running in an election...

they'd still vote for him. Campaigns are a helluva drug.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 09:02 PM

74. Well. I don't really think he'll be running again.

Just a wild guess.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 09:11 PM

77. Well I guess that means they won't vote for him in his third term

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 09:24 PM

80. Yeah like they came out in droves in the last election...........

they are so distracted with their little devices and posting their own intimate details on the internet no one could possibly be spying on them....I spent a weekend with a 20 something and I was convinced if I tossed his device into a storm drain he never be able to survive. I can't believe how much shit he posts about himself to impress his peers. He is so enamor with himself and getting photos with other connected people.

I suppose they won't come out for the mid-terms again either.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 10:09 PM

83. Obama is more or less a lame duck

This whole NSA spy "scandal" (not really a scandal when the entire establishment basically backs it) isn't about Obama or partisanship, or the next election. I don't even think it's ideological.

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