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stockholmer

(3,751 posts)
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 06:22 PM Feb 2012

Ever wonder how Starbucks coffee tastes burnt? Ask a Greek in Athens

Starbucks in Athens



Historic buildings set ablaze in Greek riots

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/historic-buildings-set-ablaze-in-greek-riots-4717763


(Reuters) Historic cinemas, cafes and shops went up in flames on Sunday as Greek riot police struggled to pin down black-masked anti-austerity protesters roaming around central Athens. As lawmakers prepared to vote on an EU/IMF bailout to save Greece from a messy bankruptcy, a Reuters photographer saw the buildings engulfed in flames and huge plumes of smoke rose in the night sky.

Black-masked protesters throwing petrol bombs created a wall of fire outside Greece's parliament as lawmakers inside looked set defy public rage by endorsing a new austerity deal to secure an EU/IMF bailout and avoid national bankruptcy. Lawmakers came under intense pressure from both sides, with tens of thousands of demonstrators pouring into Syntagma Square in front of parliament, while the government warned that rejection would demand "unimaginably harsher" sacrifices by Greeks.

In running battles, protesters threw home made bombs made from gas canisters as riot police advanced across the square on the crowds, firing tear gas and stun grenades. Loud booms From the protests could be heard inside parliament.

"Tear gas has reached the parliament chamber," said leftist lawmaker Panagiotis Lafazanis.

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Meanwhile in Ireland:

The middle classes, the very backbone of Ireland, are being driven into revolt

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/carol-hunt-well-only-be-pushed-so-far-enda-theres-nothing-left-to-take-from-us-3016993.html

The Coping Classes: The term was first coined by Eoghan Harris, a leading political strategist in Ireland, to analyse the rise of a huge middle-class in the South, which is credited with kick-starting the Celtic Tiger.


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Here in Ireland, Eoghan Harris replaced the term "middle-class" with "coping classes" to better explain the increasing numbers of Irish people who may not have fitted the traditional (British?) interpretation of "middle-class" but who nonetheless shared the values usually attributed to this group.

So who are we? Well, we're a very ordinary lot really -- but what we all have in common is a belief in the future. We work, we earn moderate salaries, we have mortgages -- some far in excess of what our homes are now worth -- we pay our bills and taxes and try to make sure our kids get the best chances available to them. We keep the peace, we keep our heads down, we are little or no trouble to our neighbours or to the State.

We try to go away every so often -- for a break, a treat, a family time together that we believe is important for good communication. We save to get braces fitted on our teenagers' teeth or to consult a specialist about their swollen tonsils; we put what we can away for their college fees and we enthusiastically drive them to football, piano or ballet practice. We ask for little, we give far more than we take and we are happy to be in a position to do so in a civilised and just democracy in a State we call our home.

But now we, the coping classes, are in danger of being wiped out, in many cases we are no longer coping, but barely surviving. Some are not even doing that. We've become an easy target for a political class that doesn't have the guts to stand up to a bullying European bureaucracy or the imagination to conceive of new approaches to our current woes.

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Ireland: Shocking injustice of austerity taxes revealed The biggest burden has fallen on those earning €17,542 to €20,000, who have collectively paid three times more tax in 2011 than they did in 2010 — or a shocking 215 per cent increase.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/shocking-injustice-of-austerity-taxes-revealed-3017101.html

THE true scale of the tax burden on low- and middle-income earners as a result of the austerity drive is revealed in staggering new figures published today. Estimates released by the Department of Finance showed that those who earn the least have been worst hit by tax hikes while the country's top earners contributed marginally less.

The figures provide a detailed snapshot of how the increased tax burden caused by the economic crisis has weighed more on the less-well-off than the richest. They showed that the "coping classes" earning anything from €17,543 to €50,000 are bearing the brunt of austerity.

The biggest burden has fallen on those earning €17,542 to €20,000, who have collectively paid three times more tax in 2011 than they did in 2010 -- or a shocking 215 per cent increase. Those earning €20,001 to €30,000 are paying 36 per cent more tax than they did in 2010 and those earning between €40,001 and €50,000 are paying 23 per cent more. The huge tax burden was attributed to the introduction of the Universal Social Charge and on a reduction in tax credits in the Government's bid to raise more than €1bn in extra income tax in 2011.

However, leadings tax consultants said yesterday the figures showed how the tax hikes have had a "disproportionate effect" on the lower paid while leaving the country's highest earners largely unscathed. For example, the 118 people in the country who earn more than €2m paid 0.3 per cent less in tax in 2011 than they did in 2010; the 1,148 who earned between €400,001 and €450,000 paid just 1.1 per cent more in tax.

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Ever wonder how Starbucks coffee tastes burnt? Ask a Greek in Athens (Original Post) stockholmer Feb 2012 OP
Good God. gateley Feb 2012 #1
Waking up to smell the roasting. Kaleko Feb 2012 #2
Wow, I thought I was going to click on a "fun" thread. Quantess Feb 2012 #3
And the the inevitable ones who want to blame the socialist_n_TN Feb 2012 #4
what else can the Greeks do? provis99 Feb 2012 #5
The Socialists have, but I don't think the communists have yet... white_wolf Feb 2012 #6
Burn, Baby, Burn ..... oldhippie Feb 2012 #9
This is all due to debt pumped up by banksters. Snarkoleptic Feb 2012 #7
Or better yet, arrest the Fraudsters and take back the money they 'earned' through sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #10
A worldwide revolt is brewing... Zalatix Feb 2012 #8
Excellent way to encourage foreign investment in your country, Greeks! Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #11
Maybe we can give Greece our "job creators" since they are so prolific at creating jobs. Quantess Feb 2012 #12
... LAGC Feb 2012 #13
I love the Coke machine being used as a barricade Canuckistanian Feb 2012 #14

Kaleko

(4,986 posts)
2. Waking up to smell the roasting.
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 07:25 PM
Feb 2012

Inevitable backlash to social genocide under the auspices of Goldman Sachs&Co. Soon to come to a Starbucks near you, wherever you are.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
4. And the the inevitable ones who want to blame the
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 08:02 PM
Feb 2012

Greek working classes for the tax avoidance problem, just like in the USA the working classes have their taxes taken out of a PAYCHECK every week, other week, month, etc. MUCH harder to avoid taxes when it's taken out of your paycheck than when you pay when you file.

Y'all DO realize that this is what's planned for here right? Anything to avoid the wealthy having to actually PAY more in taxes. And to a lesser extent a LOT of Democrats have bought into this "don't tax the job creators" meme. Yep, it'll happen faster under the Republicans, but it'll happen under the Dems too UNLESS the people rise up and say no.

 

provis99

(13,062 posts)
5. what else can the Greeks do?
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 10:24 PM
Feb 2012

the political system is a fraud; all the major parties, including the Socialists and communists have endorsed higher taxes on the poor. Why should they seek change through the aegis of the official political system when it is so obviously controlled by a plutocracy? What is left but violent revolution?

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
6. The Socialists have, but I don't think the communists have yet...
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 10:29 PM
Feb 2012

It seems the KKE is heavily involved in the riots and such, but for all I know it could be an act on their part.

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
9. Burn, Baby, Burn .....
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 12:47 AM
Feb 2012

Burn it all down and start over. That'll make everything better.

But who is going to take over, and how will they make it better?

Don'tcha just love social experiments?

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
7. This is all due to debt pumped up by banksters.
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 11:29 PM
Feb 2012

Mebbe we should all go old school Brit and have a jubilee every 50 years with all debts forgiven and wealth redistributed.
Just sayin....

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
10. Or better yet, arrest the Fraudsters and take back the money they 'earned' through
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 01:05 AM
Feb 2012

corruption, kick out governments that allow themselves to be bullied by the employees of Global Cartels, follow Iceland's example. Then do what the Greeks were not allowed to, let the people VOTE for how they want to proceed.

And most of all, remove the Goldman Sachs guy from the Government, there and in Spain and wherever they are.

When Papandreao, Greek's former PM, suggested allowing the people to vote on whether to accept the IMF loans, he was quickly ousted and replaced by the Goldman Sachs stooge. The people no longer have a say in their government, their sovereignty has been usurped and the goal is to continue to make the people pay the debts of the Wall St gamblers.

Globalism has turned out to be 'take over every country, destroy their social programs and enslave them to the IMF and World Bank, reduce the wages of First World countries and thereby provide even more cheap labor for Global Corps.

Greece SHOULD have defaulted long ago. Nothing could have been worse than what is happening now, as was predicted by many sane economists.

And this is what they intend to do here, to lower wages, destroy social programs, etc. Until OWS came along, we too were hearing the same language, 'share the sacrifice', 'austerity' etc. Thanks to OWS and the awakening of the people and an election year, we are not hearing all that talk about 'defiicits' etc. But we will.

No matter what they do over there, the Wall St stooges, they cannot fix the mess they made. And way past time to start arresting those responsible and let countries start all over as Iceland did. They, who refused to be bullied, did arrest a few bankers and politicians, are the only country whose economy is now rebounding. Which is proof that the scare tactics being used in Greece and Ireland, are just that.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
11. Excellent way to encourage foreign investment in your country, Greeks!
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 01:08 AM
Feb 2012

Companies are going to be lining up to expand their operations to Greece and create jobs there.

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