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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNPR reporter mockingly said Snowden thought CIA might send the MAFIA after him.
"He actually suggested in that interview that the CIA might send the Mafia after him. That seems probably a little far-fetched." -- Tom Gjelten to Linda Wertheimer
It's no joke. Doesn't anyone at NPR remember how the CIA hired the Mafia to kill Castro?
FTR: That was 1960 when Ike was president, Nixon was veep, and Dulles headed CIA.
Daniel537
(1,560 posts)They are no better than the assholes in the rest of the MSM.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Pruneface tried to defund public broadcasting. Congress, for a while, kept the funding going, but it has been reduced over time. Plus, the leadership was replaced with ideologues loyal to trickle down money trumps peace thinking.
b.durruti
(102 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)9/11 MIHOP? Far-fetched!
Gulf of Tonkin? Far-fetched!
11/22/63? Far-fetched!
Injecting syphilis into unsuspecting African-Americans? Far-fetched!
Don't get me started.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)...was approached by FBI, CIA and Howard Hughes types...
The Puppet and the Puppetmasters
THE MAGIC BOX
an investigative report by Larry DuBois and Laurence Gonzales
Playboy.com
Hughes was extremely anxious to get himself into an alliance with the CIA that would protect him from investigation by other Government agencies.
-- ROBERT MAHEU
A CIA cover organization is a strange and very useful thing. It's like having a magic box. You can put things in and you can take things out. You can take things out that you never put in and you can put things in that will never come out. Or you can get into the box yourself and go away somewhere -- or perhaps ago away forever. If the box is large enough, you can put an entire country inside it and no one will ever know.
The Hughes organization is such a box, the biggest and most useful of its kind. According to information given to us by a highly placed intelligence source, there is nothing else like it in the world, as far as intelligence fronts go. It is no secret to most foreign governments, most of which stand in awe of its ineffable, elegant vastness. From within this magic box, an important part of the United States' covert intelligence operations emanate. But by 1971, it had begun to crack. So much had been put into the box that things were beginning to come out. The magic was fading.
Hughes's alliance with the agency started as early as 1949. Only two years after the CIA got its charter, it began giving contracts to Hughes.
April 1, 1975, The Washington Post reported, "Hughes Aircraft has been mentioned as a potential hotbed of interrelationships with the CIA." The New York Times on March 20, 1975, quoted high Government officials as saying the HAC had been building satellites for intelligence purposes for years and "employs a number of high-ranking CIA and military men." As early as 1960, Maheu had Hughes's blessing in taking on one of the agency's most sensitive assignments: the assassination of Fidel Castro. Maheu worked out several unsuccessful plots with gangsters Sam Giancana and Johnny Roselli.
The affinity between Hughes and the agency was natural: America's most secretive billionaire and the most secretive part of America's Government. In a way, Hughes was a kind of modern-day Leonardo da Vinci, an eccentric genius who pushed to the cutting edge of the 20th Century, whether in early talking movies or in space satellites. Just after his death was reported, Newsweek quoted a top-ranking Washington intelligence official as saying, "Hughes gravitated into areas that other people refused to go into or didn't believe in." HAC pioneered the synchronous-orbit satellite, built the first Early Bird satellite and the Surveyor spacecraft that made the first soft landing on the moon and sent pictures back to NASA in preparation for the manned moon shots. Without Hughes's signal-amplifying microwave tubes, pictures from Mars would have been impossible. HAC is responsible for three-dimensional radar that is used for tracking hundreds of planes simultaneously. And the world's first operating laser arced across the labs of HAC. Laser weapons are now one of the hottest topics within the Pentagon -- they may someday make nuclear weapons obsolete. The secrets of laser-weapon technology are so closely guarded that Pentagon insiders will discuss it only in state-of-the-art terms.
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http://web.archive.org/web/20051224225453/http://www.playboy.com/features/features/puppetmasters/index.html
If you've the time, feel free to have at it, WinkyDink. Democracy and Fascism are in the balance.
QC
(26,371 posts)During the run-up to the Iraq invasion, rah-rah war.
Now, it's blame-the-Democrat that the nation's turned into a police state.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)who use slanted, suggestive comments and questions to steer the interviews to insure they reflect, & support the conservative gop ideology and talking points.
i hardly listen to them anymore.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)They don't leave much evidence behind or to chance.
Know your BFEE: 1984 Death of Outstanding Congressional Staffer Buried Poppy-Moon Relationship
...
The Suspicious, Disturbing Death of Election Rigger (and a decent human being) Michael Connell
...
Of course, somebody had to write a U.S. Government issued training manual.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)What's really funny is how all these myths about CIA power end up doing the CIA's work for them...
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The National Endowment for Democracy
excerpted from the book
Rogue State
A Guide to the World's Only Superpower
by William Blum
Common Courage Press, 2000
How many Americans could identify the National Endowment for Democracy? An organization which often does exactly the opposite of what its name implies. The NED was set up in the early 1980s under President Reagan in the wake of all the negative revelations about the CIA in the second half of the 1970s. The latter was a remarkable period. Spurred by Watergate-the Church Committee of the Senate, the Pike Committee of the House and the Rockefeller Commission, created by the president, were all busy investigating the CIA. Seemingly every other day there was a new headline about the discovery of some awful thing, even criminal conduct, the CIA had been mixed up in for years. The Agency was getting an exceedingly bad name, and it was causing the powers-that-be much embarrassment.
Something had to be done. What was done was not to stop doing these awful things. Of course not. What was done was to shift many of these awful things to a new organization, with a nice sounding name-the National Endowment for Democracy. The idea was that the NED would do somewhat overtly what the CIA had been doing covertly for decades, and thus, hopefully, eliminate the stigma associated with CIA covert activities.
It was a masterpiece. Of politics, of public relations and of cynicism. Thus it was that in 1983, the National Endowment for Democracy was set up to "support democratic institutions throughout the world through private, nongovernmental efforts". Notice the "nongovernmental"-part of the image, part of the myth. In actuality, virtually every penny of its funding comes from the federal government, as is clearly indicated in the financial statement in each issue of its annual report. NED likes to refer to itself as an NGO (non-governmental organization) because this helps to maintain a certain credibility abroad that an official US government agency might not have. But NGO is the wrong category. NED is a GO.
Allen Weinstein, who helped draft the legislation establishing NED, was quite candid when he said in 1991: "A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA." In effect, the CIA has been laundering money through NED.
The Endowment has four principal initial recipients of funds: the International Republican Institute; the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs; an affiliate of the AFL-CIO (such as the American Center for International Labor Solidarity); and an affiliate of the Chamber of Commerce (such as the Center for International Private Enterprise). These institutions then disburse funds to other institutions in the US and all over the world, which then often disburse funds to yet other organizations.
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http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA/National%20EndowmentDemo.html
struggle4progress
(120,381 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)napoleon_in_rags
(3,992 posts)Triads being Chinese mafia. The Castro stuff was decades ago, but isn't foreign intelligence agencies siding with organized crime inside a country they are trying to get in par for the course? Like aren't the Russian mobs in other countries remnants of the KGB? That's what I heard somewhere. That's a notably different thing than intelligence siding with mafia in their OWN country...
struggle4progress
(120,381 posts)"... Or they could pay off the Triads ..."
US intelligence worker Edward Snowden fears retribution over NSA program PRISM leak
by: AFP in Washington
From: AFP
June 10, 2013 9:20PM
thucythucy
(8,742 posts)would he flee to China as a safe haven?
struggle4progress
(120,381 posts)I think perhaps one ought to sprinkle salt heavily on whatever he says
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)would mock him after all he knows alot of stuff. Maybe the mafia is involved with alot of things we don't know about.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)The Mafia helped the US Navy clean out the NAZI spies and sympathizers from the nation's dockyards in World War II. What I'm trying to make clear is that the Washington-Wall Street axis to Switzerland still does business that they learned from the Mafia, whether its laundering trillions in drug profits or making friends with terrorists to turn a buck off war without end.
Something else about the Mafia and members of the national security apparatus of the United States: The employees of one government agency apparently continued the practice without telling JFK about their special relationship or reporting said contacts to the Warren Commission after his assassination.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Before his hunting days, Dick Cheney often enjoyed taking the controls of a bumper car.
I know you know, alcibiades_mystery. Just want our more junior friends at NSA to know.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)You know, the Wall Street-Washington insiders who make money off war.
I don't find them funny. That's why I spend time writing about them on DU.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Well, good luck to you, sir.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Here are some that weren't written then:
Know your BFEE: WikiLeaks Stratfor Dump Exposes Continued Secret Government Warmongering
Know your BFEE: John Roberts earned his Sgt. Pepper stripes as an Iran-Contra cover-up artiste.
Know your BFEE: David Vitter was pampered by the DC Madam
Henry Paulson, Banker to the BFEE
Rupert Murdoch Pushed Poodle to Join GOP-BFEE Rush to Iraq War
In all, the BFEE series number less than 100. My sincere hope is they serve as a guide for criminal investigators in the very near future.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)didn't read any of that.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Karl Rove's team worked overtime to see their version of events got out first. I just want the dots to be connected, should someone need them down the road.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)that took place over 50 years ago. Doesn't it seem the tiniest bit silly to you?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, former Secretary of State Colin Powell's chief of staff, said he thought the Cheney-linked assassination program was active, not a hypothetical thing. Wilkerson said ambassadors and diplomatic staff overseas reported kidnappings and other nefarious operations in their posted nations.
Well, if Cheney's secret program was killing people overseas, what was to stop them from killing people within the United States? The CIA wasn't supposed to operate domestically by law, but they do. Specifically, I'd like to know if Cheney's secret team was involved with these convenient deaths:
Michael Connell (Election Fraud Technical Guru)
John Kokal (No WMDs in Iraq)
David Kelly (No WMDs in Iraq)
Cliff Baxter(ENRON #2)
Gary Webb (CIA drugs)
Jim Hatfield (Bush bin Laden connection)
Deborah Palfrey (Washington Madame knew everybody from Congress-White House-CIA-Contracting Scam)
Raymond Lemme (Election Fraud)
Athan Gibbs (Election Fraud)
Paul Wellstone (Official White House Enemy)
Here are more people who died under suspicious circumstances while investigating, eh, government perfidy:
Danny Casolaro (Octopus investigator)
Abbie Hoffman (October Surprise investigator)
Steve Kangas (Powers-That-Be investigator)
Mark Lombardi (Conspiracies In Action investigator)
More details here:
Know your BFEE: Dead Men Tell No Tales
and here:
Know your BFEE: 1984 Death of Outstanding Congressional Staffer Buried Poppy-Moon Relationship
One more thing: Why did Cheney take the heat for the assassination program? Sneer was veep to Smirko. The little turd from Crawford was very horny for war.
Know your BFEE: Bush has Killed a Million Innocent People for Their Oil.
Bush even said Money Trumps Peace. Sometimes.
That's where the Big Money is these days: War.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)What do you think President Obama is doing with his drones, either CIA or Blackwater directed?
We live in a time when the government of the United States kills people without charge. Depending on where one stands, it's called assassination or murder. When such power gets put into private hands, like Erik Prince of Blackwater, it's called business.
Don't know about you, but either way it's a problem for me: assassination is about the most un-democratic thing there is, apart from lying America into a war for profit.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)What I said: These programs are not ancient history.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)For all I know, he's living next door to Kenny Lay.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Do you know he's dead? Or when he died? Or the circumstances surrounding his death?
What do you know about these questions, other than what the government told you?
Are your opinions shaped by that recent film, "Zero Dark Thirty"?
PS: You seem intent on proving something, msanthrope. If you have a problem with what I wrote, just say so.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)I took his word on it, but I wasn't there.
Obama has said some things that I knew were false. For instance:
Obama repeated Bush line that Taliban refused to turn over bin Laden.
Answer a question for me: Why did Obama let Bush and his cronies off the hook for lying America into war?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)More importantly, why don't you answer my question?
Why did Obama let Bush and his cronies off the hook for lying America into war?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)do not accept its premise.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)As for the question, it's very straightforward. Perhaps one day you will venture an answer.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)I don't feel obligated to engage with you in a Q&A. It's kind of like having a convo with someone who thinks that Bubba Ho-Tep might be based on a true story.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)That would be disingenuous.
zappaman
(20,618 posts)How do you know we landed on the moon? Were you there?
How do you know the Titanic was sunk after hitting an iceberg? Were you there?
See, you can't know Bin Laden is dead because you weren't there!!!
CT logic in a nutshell...
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)zappaman
(20,618 posts)Saw it in this documentary...
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)zappaman
(20,618 posts)He is also a member of the BFEE which is responsible for not only killing JFK but making sure you can only buy hot dog rolls in packs of 8, while hot dogs themselves come in packs of 10!
Octafish
(55,745 posts)That association makes your posts more understandable.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)government. The veil was uncovered decades ago during "Church Committee" named for its chairman, Senator Frank Church .
Octafish
(55,745 posts)He warned us regarding the National Security Agency and its ability to eavesdrop on all communication (before the World Wide Web made it easy):
That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesnt matter. There would be no place to hide. If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.
"I dont want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return. -- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3510598
Regarding what's developed since '76:
Top Secret America
Thank you, avaistheone1 for understanding what this is about. Secret Government means some citizens have access to information their fellow citizens do not. On Wall Street, that's inside trading. In the Beltway, that's business as usual, whether it's to make a killing on the DJIA or whether it's to cover up a killing by the FBI.
kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)Although there are some spots -like HK- where using a drone would be dicey.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Mocking the fact the Mafia and CIA were in the assassination business together prevents people from asking, "How else do they conspire?"
Response to Octafish (Original post)
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Rex
(65,616 posts)the mafia.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)BY ROBERT BECKHUSEN
Wired.com 06.27.128:33 AM
Enrique Ricky Prados resume reads like the ultimate CIA officer: veteran of the Central American wars, running the CIAs operations in Korea, a top spy in Americas espionage programs against China, and deputy to counter-terrorist chief Cofer Black and then a stint at Blackwater. But hes also alleged to have started out a career as a hitman for a notorious Miami mobster, and kept working for the mob even after joining the CIA. Finally, he went on to serve as the head of the CIAs secret assassination squad against Al-Qaida.
Thats according to journalist Evan Wrights blockbuster story How to Get Away With Murder in America, distributed by Byliner. In it, Wright who authored Generation Kill, the seminal story of the Iraq invasion compiles lengthy, years-long investigations by state and federal police into a sector of Miamis criminal underworld that ended nowhere, were sidelined by higher-ups, or cut short by light sentences. It tracks the history of Prados alleged Miami patron and notorious cocaine trafficker, Alberto San Pedro, and suspicions that Prado moved a secret death squad from the CIA to Blackwater.
In protecting Prado, the CIA arguably allowed a new type of mole an agent not of a foreign government but of American criminal interests to penetrate command, Wright writes.
SNIP...
Years later, in 1996, Prado was a senior manager inside the CIAs Bin Laden Issue Station, before the Al-Qaida mastermind was a well-known name. Two years later, the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania elevated Prado to become the chief of operations inside the CIAs Counterterrorist Center, headed by then-chief Cofer Black, later an executive for the notorious merc firm Blackwater. As the title implied, the job made Prado responsible for all the moving pieces at the CTC supervising field offices on surveillance, rendition, or other missions, and making sure that logistics were in order, that personnel were in place, according to Wright.
Prado was also reportedly put in charge of a targeted assassination unit, that was never put into operation. (The CIA shifted to drones.) But according to Wright, the CIA handed over its hit squad operation to Blackwater, now called Academi, as a way to kill people with precision, without getting caught. Prado is said to have negotiated the deal to transfer the unit, which Wright wrote marked the first time the U.S. government outsourced a covert assassination service to private enterprise. As to whether the unit was then put into operation, two Blackwater contractors tell Wright the unit began whacking people like crazy beginning in 2008. Prado also popped up two years ago in a report by Jeremy Scahill of The Nation, in which the now ex-CIA Prado was discovered to have built up a network of foreign shell companies to hide Blackwater operations, beginning in 2004. The Nation also revealed that Prado pitched an e-mail in 2007 to the DEA, explaining that Blackwater could do everything from everything from surveillance to ground truth to disruption operations, carried out by foreign nationals, so deniability is built in and should be a big plus.
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http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/06/cia/
Truman tried to warn us about this on Dec. 22, 1963...
http://www.maebrussell.com/Prouty/Harry%20Truman's%20CIA%20article.html
MinM
(2,650 posts)Howard Hughes knew before President John Kennedy and his brother Robert Kennedy did that the CIA was trying to kill Castro. Hughes found out when Maheu had to ask for a leave of absence to run the operation.
The Kennedy brothers found out about the plots shortly after the FBI uncovered a bugging operation in Las Vegas.
Sam Giancana, one of the Mafia members hired to kill Castro, had suspected his mistress Phyllis McGuire was having an affair with Dan Rowan (of the Rowan and Martin Laugh-In comedy team). Maheu, as a favor to Giancana, hired a Florida detective to bug Rowans hotel room. But the detective left his equipment in plain sight, and the maid reported the equipment to the police, who contacted the FBI. The CIA admitted to Hoover that CIA was directly involved in the bugging and convinced Hoover not to further investigate. The CIA then told Robert Kennedy about the CIAs use of Giancana in a plot to kill Castro.
Given that Robert Kennedy had faced Giancana down in a courtroom (where he famously accused Giancana of giggling like a little girl), trying to prosecute him for Mafia activities, Robert was understandably furious at CIA for using the Mob, and furious at them trying to kill Castro...
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/MinM/25
Unfortunately even those on 'our side,' who consider themselves historians, don't know the real history...
Chris Matthews: JFK/RFK were civil rights heroes.
Chris Hayes: they ordered spying on Dr. King.
Difference: Chris Hayes reads history.
https://twitter.com/MJayRosenberg/status/344609636059590658
Octafish
(55,745 posts)That is some kind of outfit, dose guys dere.
What Rosselli could have brought up, had he not met his end:
Richard Nixon's Greatest Cover-Up
His Ties to the Assassination of President Kennedy
by Don Fulsom
EXCERPT...
During the Nixon years, pressure from Washington eased off on Sam Giancana. And long-standing deportation proceedings against CIA-connected mobster Johnny Roselli were dropped. Without going into specifics, government lawyers explained in court that Roselli had performed "valuable services to the national security." A Giancana henchman, Roselli was an important contact man in the Mob/CIA assassination plots against Cuban leader Fidel Castro.
Roselli and Jack Ruby are reported to have met in hotels in Miami during the months before the JFK assassination. Years later, Roselli told columnist Jack Anderson: "When Oswald was picked up, the underworld conspirators feared he would crack and disclose information that might lead to them. This almost certainly would have brought a massive U.S. crackdown on the Mafia. So Jack Ruby was ordered to eliminate Oswald . . ."
In the mid-70s, as congressional committees probed the Mob and the CIA, Roselli was dismembered, squeezed into an oil drum, and tossed off the Florida coast; Giancana was gunned down in his kitchen; and Jimmy Hoffa disappeared.
Back in the Eisenhower years, Vice President Richard Nixon and CIA agent E. Howard Hunt were principal secret planners of the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba that failed so miserably when it was later launched by President Kennedy. Some historians are convinced Nixon was a prime mover in an associated and also ill-fated plot to assassinate Fidel Castro. For example, onetime Nixon aide Roger Morris says Nixon "had been an avid supporter of the Eisenhower administration's covert operations to overthrow Castro, including the alliance with organized crime to assassinate the Cuban leader." For his part, Hunt has readily admitted his role in efforts to murder Castro.
For the "executive action" mission, potential assassins were recruited from Mafia ranks, so that if any of their activities were disclosed, organized crime could be blamed.
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http://dirtypolitics.50megs.com/dirty.htm
On his way to the top of the world of Top Secret National Security No Reporters Allowed Get Out of Jail Free, young Roselli found himself under Al Capone's wing, who took a shine on the young dope dealer and bookie hiding out in Chicago. The story in PDF form:
Rosselli Under the FBI Microscope
All sorts of guys, friends of the up-and-coming, almost.