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trumad

(41,692 posts)
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 04:41 PM Feb 2012

Madonna slams British rapper M.I.A.'s offensive finger gesture...

On edit: I deleted Gramps from the title because some old folks on DU got offended.

Sorrry.

(Reuters) - Madonna has slammed British rapper M.I.A.'s offensive finger gesture during her Super Bowl show as juvenile, negative and out of place.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/10/us-madonna-mia-idUSTRE8191PX20120210

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Madonna slams British rapper M.I.A.'s offensive finger gesture... (Original Post) trumad Feb 2012 OP
Like or loathe her, is the "Gramps" slam really necessary? hlthe2b Feb 2012 #1
Gotta agree there. Gramps is totally unnecessary. RebelOne Feb 2012 #2
don't you get it? MIA is doing far less than trash whore Madonna did Obama3_16 Feb 2012 #3
And that's my point--hence calling her Gramps. trumad Feb 2012 #5
I can't tell if serious or sarcasm. piedmont Feb 2012 #6
Serious as hell trumad Feb 2012 #9
If they did it on their show fine let them go for it, but they did it madmom Feb 2012 #8
You have a real hate problem. n/t RebelOne Feb 2012 #10
And you have a silly imagination. trumad Feb 2012 #12
I think they might have been referring to the "trash whore" stuff. redqueen Feb 2012 #47
Yes... enough so he has been tombstoned... hlthe2b Feb 2012 #52
You know, calling a woman you don't like a "whore" Matariki Feb 2012 #38
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #43
You're backing that ugliness up, saying she "deserves it", huh? Matariki Feb 2012 #44
Thank you for trying to convince the person by using discussion. redqueen Feb 2012 #48
Note: the poster in question has been shown the door... hlthe2b Feb 2012 #53
Madonna did "controversial" things in the past, so now she has to put up with a bullshit... piedmont Feb 2012 #4
enormous favor---LOL trumad Feb 2012 #7
calling someone gramps is indicative of being clever. LanternWaste Feb 2012 #11
show me where Madonna backwoodsbob Feb 2012 #49
Exactly! Doing something stupid and offensive that someone /else/ will catch flack for is... piedmont Feb 2012 #55
Enormous favor? Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #79
finger thing looked like a random waving of hand and fingers to me, not deliberate. tn msongs Feb 2012 #13
Isn't she a grams not a gramps? Anyway, she is right WI_DEM Feb 2012 #14
She flipped a stinkin Bird... trumad Feb 2012 #15
So what? she shouldn't have WI_DEM Feb 2012 #17
Hey guess what trumad Feb 2012 #19
It's not hateful though. redqueen Feb 2012 #20
Look---she brought a rapper in to perform... trumad Feb 2012 #26
Oh come on--- trumad Feb 2012 #29
maybe a matter of context twitcher Feb 2012 #34
I agree DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #41
Great post trumad Feb 2012 #42
Loved it and they both knew they were going to do it, too. WI_DEM Feb 2012 #21
Yeah but imagine if... trumad Feb 2012 #23
Yeah, Grammy's is a much different type venue than the Super Bowl, I think. WI_DEM Feb 2012 #28
That's not my point... trumad Feb 2012 #30
I'm really fucking sick of the "Madonna is old" shit Matariki Feb 2012 #16
It was more of a get off my lawn statement trumad Feb 2012 #18
oh, opps Matariki Feb 2012 #22
I deleted it becuase it offended some... trumad Feb 2012 #24
madonna is not bad because she is older DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #57
"Old"? Really? HappyMe Feb 2012 #74
There is a lot of ageism on DU. RebelOne Feb 2012 #68
Thank you. HappyMe Feb 2012 #75
Madonna is right. geomon666 Feb 2012 #25
It's not going to cost them a dime. trumad Feb 2012 #27
I'm not talking about fines though I'm sure those will be coming too geomon666 Feb 2012 #31
The NFL and NBC is going to lose money from appearances? trumad Feb 2012 #32
There will be no fines. trumad Feb 2012 #33
Yes, you are correct. People will stop watching NFL football now Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #80
Wrong. onenote Feb 2012 #35
Uh your wrong trumad Feb 2012 #45
If you read what you posted you will see I'm right and you are the one that was wrong. onenote Feb 2012 #71
The Supreme court ruled in favor for CBS... trumad Feb 2012 #73
No, the Supreme Court did NOT rule in favor of CBS. onenote Feb 2012 #77
So that pic is to indicate...what? there but 4 fortune Feb 2012 #36
Well chum... trumad Feb 2012 #37
Eh, who cares. She also dissed Sinead O'Connor for tearing up a picture Cleita Feb 2012 #39
+a billion on this one. Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #81
Madonna thinks it shouldn't have been done at the superbowl JI7 Feb 2012 #40
Its the trumad Feb 2012 #46
If you can't flip your finger and be a rock n roller no more Johonny Feb 2012 #50
juvenile, negative and out of place.... and she is right. it was. no more or less. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #51
True. but DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #58
Bingo trumad Feb 2012 #63
re: "On edit: I deleted Gramps from the title because some old folks on DU got offended. " hlthe2b Feb 2012 #54
Yeah---and I wrote the above line to needle a bit... trumad Feb 2012 #62
Madonna: Love her. donheld Feb 2012 #56
Yeah, but who are we talking about- It ain't Madonna JCMach1 Feb 2012 #59
no surprise - Madonna also attacked Sinead O'Connor over the Pope photo incident Adenoid_Hynkel Feb 2012 #60
+1,000, 000 Tom Ripley Feb 2012 #69
Why does she think that? Rex Feb 2012 #61
I find nothing offensive about what M.I.A did HipChick Feb 2012 #64
What a trashy OP. MIA was a self indulgent, unprofessional whack attack. Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #65
Boy but she wishes she was. trumad Feb 2012 #66
It has nothign to do wth Madonna's age DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #67
Oooh look at ME, I'm M.I.A. and I just found out that I have a middle finger! cherokeeprogressive Feb 2012 #70
I know what you mean... trumad Feb 2012 #72
Yeah, me too Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #82
Okay... edgy... cool... and slightly unoriginal. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2012 #83
MIA got a ton of press after the SB. Iggo Feb 2012 #76
Everything would be different, if MIA were a good rapper. nt Romulox Feb 2012 #78
M.I.A. 's an idiot ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2012 #84

hlthe2b

(101,722 posts)
1. Like or loathe her, is the "Gramps" slam really necessary?
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 04:50 PM
Feb 2012

FWIW, I agree that MIA's attention-getting gesture was juvenile, though I hardly would find it grounds for offense or any action to be taken. That said, Madonna invited them (and the other back up performers) to participate on her show.. Pretty shitty for MIA to do this, IMO, knowing it would blow back on her.

 

Obama3_16

(157 posts)
3. don't you get it? MIA is doing far less than trash whore Madonna did
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 04:52 PM
Feb 2012

in her heyday. So it is a tad ironic that she's now the elder stateswoman scolding another artist.

FUCK MADONNA. Most everyone else has.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
5. And that's my point--hence calling her Gramps.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 04:56 PM
Feb 2012

Although I don't agree with your whore statement.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
9. Serious as hell
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 04:59 PM
Feb 2012

Madonna---in her fake new Queen Victoria voice has the actual nerve to call out another entertainer for something controversial.

madmom

(9,681 posts)
8. If they did it on their show fine let them go for it, but they did it
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 04:58 PM
Feb 2012

on her show, they were invited, she has a right to complain. It's called common courtesy .

hlthe2b

(101,722 posts)
52. Yes... enough so he has been tombstoned...
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 08:01 PM
Feb 2012

Funny, the jury refused to act on my original alert, but it seems the admins must have. What sexist crap.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
38. You know, calling a woman you don't like a "whore"
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 06:04 PM
Feb 2012

and critically speculating on how many sex partners she's had is sexist and hurts all women.

Using someone's sexuality to try and shame them, just because you don't like them, is really pretty regressive.

Response to Matariki (Reply #38)

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
44. You're backing that ugliness up, saying she "deserves it", huh?
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 07:16 PM
Feb 2012

Calling women names like "whore" or "bitch" IS sexist. It's a way to dehumanize them or punish them from being outspoken.

It's disgusting, it's stone age, and it's unacceptable - especially on a progressive forum. You really should reconsider your words and your attitude.

redqueen

(115,096 posts)
48. Thank you for trying to convince the person by using discussion.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 07:36 PM
Feb 2012

Obviously that didn't work, but thanks for trying.

piedmont

(3,462 posts)
4. Madonna did "controversial" things in the past, so now she has to put up with a bullshit...
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 04:56 PM
Feb 2012

stunt by an up-and-comer who owed her for the enormous favor of a Superbowl gig? That's what you're going with?

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
7. enormous favor---LOL
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 04:57 PM
Feb 2012

I live in a country where flipping the bird sends everyone to the feinting couch.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
11. calling someone gramps is indicative of being clever.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 05:02 PM
Feb 2012

"I live in a country where..." calling someone gramps is indicative of being clever.

piedmont

(3,462 posts)
55. Exactly! Doing something stupid and offensive that someone /else/ will catch flack for is...
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 08:43 PM
Feb 2012

unprofessional-- and that's what Madonna's mad about, as she should be.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
14. Isn't she a grams not a gramps? Anyway, she is right
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 05:04 PM
Feb 2012

she invited MIA to appear with her and they attempted to try and upstage her by doing what they did. If it had been MIA's show then do whatever they want to do, but if it's somebody else then show some respect.

redqueen

(115,096 posts)
20. It's not hateful though.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 05:09 PM
Feb 2012

I think part of her problem with the finger gesture is that it's usually associated with hateful and aggressive behavior.

"Negative" was the word she used, apparently.

twitcher

(33 posts)
34. maybe a matter of context
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 05:27 PM
Feb 2012

There are some neighborhoods in my city where you just might get shot for flipping off the wrong person.
I admit to flipping off people who run red lights. Who was MIA flipping off…and what was her intent?

DonCoquixote

(13,615 posts)
41. I agree
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 06:46 PM
Feb 2012

There is a difference between two ladies (one of whom actually came out afterword) kissing and the digitis infamis. However, to be fair, the Super Bowl picked madonna because they realized they had gotten too conversative after the infamous "wardrobe malfunction." This might make the powers thaty be bring in someone really safe for a while...snoozer bowl.

To be fair to MIA though, the idea that someone who has masturbated on stage, burned crosses, and torn the puerto rican flag can get all holy is a bit thin....let's face it, anyone who thought this was going to be a G rated show deserved a lobotomy, as shock rock is what Madonna has done for 30 years. It is like expecting Kiss not to spit blood, or Elton John not to wear a costume and play a piano. All MIA did is follow the same patented blueprint that Madonna herself did. The real story is that, for modern female rock, going the Madonna route IS the conservative, established route to stardom: a Joni Mitchell would not be allowed NEAR a studio today.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
28. Yeah, Grammy's is a much different type venue than the Super Bowl, I think.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 05:15 PM
Feb 2012

But that's just my opinion.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
30. That's not my point...
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 05:20 PM
Feb 2012

Madonna knocking someone for being controversial is hilarious in mho.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
16. I'm really fucking sick of the "Madonna is old" shit
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 05:05 PM
Feb 2012

Like it's a fucking crime for a woman to get old. Seriously - HOW DARE SHE??? She should have just up and died when she turned 30, right? Or at least had the curtesy to stay out of public and not burden mens' eyes with her humanity.

grrrr.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
18. It was more of a get off my lawn statement
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 05:07 PM
Feb 2012

with no intent to disparage old people.

I deleted it.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
22. oh, opps
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 05:10 PM
Feb 2012

I've just seen one too many 'Madonna=Old=Bad" comments or jokes and it's grating on my nerves. My rant still stands - but not directed toward your post. I get the "off my lawn" thing

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
24. I deleted it becuase it offended some...
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 05:12 PM
Feb 2012

I'm OK with that---seriously though I meant it as a dig at her new found decency which I find hilarious compared to what she did in her past.

DonCoquixote

(13,615 posts)
57. madonna is not bad because she is older
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 11:56 PM
Feb 2012

Madonna is just ridiculous because she is still doing a gimmick that was not that good 30 years ago. Yes, it was stupid for MIA to flip the bird at the Stupor Bowl, but it will probably make her famous, just like Madonna did back when she was her age.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
68. There is a lot of ageism on DU.
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 06:15 PM
Feb 2012

Some think that anyone past the age of 50 should be in a nursing home.

geomon666

(7,512 posts)
25. Madonna is right.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 05:13 PM
Feb 2012

It was juvenile, negative, and out of place. You have to be a fucking idiot to think that it's ok to flip the camera off and drop an S bomb on national television in the middle of the Super Bowl.

It's going to cost NBC money. It's going to cost the NFL money. It's going to cost Madonna money and it's going to cost MIA money because I doubt she ever, ever, EVER gets an invitation like that ever again. I hope it was worth it.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
27. It's not going to cost them a dime.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 05:15 PM
Feb 2012

You do know that the FCC dropped the Jackson nipple thing without any fines.

This country seriously needs to grow the fuck up.

geomon666

(7,512 posts)
31. I'm not talking about fines though I'm sure those will be coming too
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 05:24 PM
Feb 2012

I'm talking about lost revenue in appearances.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
80. Yes, you are correct. People will stop watching NFL football now
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 10:40 AM
Feb 2012

because a minor rapper flipped the bird at the halftime show. Get a grip.

onenote

(42,375 posts)
35. Wrong.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 05:40 PM
Feb 2012

The FCC did not drop the Jackson nipple thing without any fines. In fact, they levied a fine of over $500,000 on CBS and its stations. The case has gone up and down through the courts and is on its way back to the Supreme Court. While the fines have been struck down twice by the court of appeals, CBS hasn't gotten the money back and won't unless and until the Supremes rule. In addition, CBS has spent several million dollars in legal fees fighting the fines at the FCC and in the courts.

I do agree that the country needs to grow up, but you have your facts wrong about the Janet Jackson "wardrobe malfunction"

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
45. Uh your wrong
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 07:17 PM
Feb 2012

On November 24, 2004, Viacom paid out $3.5 million to settle outstanding indecency complaints and stated that it would challenge the $550,000 penalty related to the incident.[13] The Parents Television Council has frequently criticized the appeal because they have claimed hypocrisy in CBS's immediate apology in the days following the Super Bowl.[52] In March 2006, the FCC affirmed that the Super Bowl halftime show was indecent,[53] so CBS paid the FCC's issued fine in July 2006 in order to take their appeal against their fine to federal court.[54] CBS appealed the fine on September 17 at the U.S. Third Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia.[55] On July 21, 2008, that court ruled[56] in favor of CBS, throwing out the FCC's fine on the grounds that the enforcement involved a significant deviation from prior practice that wasn't announced as a clear policy change.[14] On May 4, 2009, however, the Supreme Court vacated and remanded the case back to the Third Circuit for reconsideration in light of the previously decided Federal Communications Commission v. Fox Television Stations (2009).[16]

On November 2, 2011, the Third Circuit Court ruled 2-1 that its earlier decision was correct.[57]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXXVIII_halftime_show_controversy

onenote

(42,375 posts)
71. If you read what you posted you will see I'm right and you are the one that was wrong.
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 08:42 AM
Feb 2012

You said, and I quote,"the FCC dropped the Jackson nipple thing without any fines."

I said, no, the FCC imposed fines, CBS paid them, and then challenged the fines in court, where they have won victories in the appeals courts, but the case is still pending.

That is exactly what your second post says. Your first post was wrong. My post was correct. The FCC did not, and has not, dropped the "Janet Jackson nipple thing." They are still defending the decision which will now be decided by the Supreme Court.

onenote

(42,375 posts)
77. No, the Supreme Court did NOT rule in favor of CBS.
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 10:28 AM
Feb 2012

The first court decision arising from the Janet Jackson nipple thing was issued by the 3rd Circuit in 2008 and it found in favor of CBS. The FCC appealed to the Supreme Court and in 2009 the High Court vacated the 3rd Circuit's decision and sent the case back to the 3rd circuit (not exactly a win for CBS). Last November, the 3rd Circuit again ruled in favor of CBS and the FCC is again appealing that decision to the Supreme Court, which probably won't decide the case for another year.

You really need to read your own posts more carefully.

Finally, it remains the case that your original statement that the FCC dropped the matter without imposing fines was utterly incorrect. And it also remains true that if (as I expect will be the case) CBS ultimately prevails and is able to recover the half million dollar fine it paid, the company will never recover the several million dollars in legal fees it has incurred in fighting this case through the FCC and the courts for over seven years (the original order fining CBS was issued in 2004).

 
36. So that pic is to indicate...what?
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 05:40 PM
Feb 2012

That Madonna is obviously a hypocrite because she posed naked for a sex book once? It's called CONTEXT, chum. In a Superbowl performance where young children are part of the viewing audience, it was INAPPROPRIATE to flip the bird. It reminds me of the young people I see (hear) who say "mothereffing this and that" in public in front of children, seniors and God. No understanding of social decorum, no social context. A sex book in the hands of a mature adult is not bad or wrong.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
37. Well chum...
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 06:01 PM
Feb 2012

I see it as Madonna being the biggest phony in showbiz.

She's all high and mighty now with her new found fake English voice inflection.....

So when she made out with Britany at the Grammys...guess what...young kids were watching and some parents were offended.

Of course they were homophobic idiots who were offended but ...nonetheless ...they were offended.

By thie way...when Madonna was posing in the nude on the side of the road...do you think some parents and kids may have been driving by?

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
39. Eh, who cares. She also dissed Sinead O'Connor for tearing up a picture
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 06:13 PM
Feb 2012

of the Pope on SNL. She was making a point about the child molestations and other abuses going on back then in the church.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
81. +a billion on this one.
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 10:41 AM
Feb 2012

Her dis of Sinead in that instance tarnished any positive thoughts I had about Madonna.

Johonny

(20,683 posts)
50. If you can't flip your finger and be a rock n roller no more
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 08:00 PM
Feb 2012

then * it I'm too old fashion cause in my day even Johnny Cash could flip the bird. Being a rebel rock n roller means singing let's spend the night together not lets spend some time together. Somewhere Jim Morrison is happy that the spirit of rebellion and youth is alive in the non-product placement world of music. Madonna was always to image and commercial for my music taste and this once again shows she more product oriented. Give me a singer not afraid to give out a finger any day.

DonCoquixote

(13,615 posts)
58. True. but
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 12:04 AM
Feb 2012

It will get publicity for all involved, ESPECIALLY Madonna, because in the current climate, there is no such thing as bad publicity. This is an age where reality TV makes Madonna look like a nun. I am just suspicious because I have seen Madonna and other performers pull this "outrage" thing, especially after Justin T. and Janet J. talked abouit "wardrobe malfunctions." Did anyone really think she was going to do an actual G-rated show? Did she herself think she was going to do a G-rated show? Sorry Madge, Joni Mitchell you are not.

All I say is that the whole thing stinks of funny buisness. It's no secret that Madonna is trying to clean up her image because she wants to go into directing. I honestly wonder how much of this could really have been accidental, especially coming from someone who, to give her credit, is known to plan every gesture like swiss clockwork.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
63. Bingo
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 08:57 AM
Feb 2012

She's got this whole elder statesman thing going on with her phony English accent and it's pure bullshit.

I have American friends who have lived in England for years.... I ask---hey, why don't you have a British accent? They chuckle and say that any American who all of a sudden has the accent from living in England for a few years is nothing more than a poser.

Strike the pose Madonna.

hlthe2b

(101,722 posts)
54. re: "On edit: I deleted Gramps from the title because some old folks on DU got offended. "
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 08:05 PM
Feb 2012

No, Trumad.... Most of DU is not ageist nor sexist--regardless of their own age/gender. It wasn't just the "old folks" who were offended, I can assure you. Most progressives give a damn about respecting others, regardless of race, gender, age, ethnicity and sexual orientation. Hint hint....

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
62. Yeah---and I wrote the above line to needle a bit...
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 08:53 AM
Feb 2012

I'm 54... and I'm just fucking around with the geriatrics and the PC crowd.

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
60. no surprise - Madonna also attacked Sinead O'Connor over the Pope photo incident
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 04:53 AM
Feb 2012

Madonna's supposed subversiveness has always been based on stealing headlines and marketing her newest record. If it's not part of her latest marketing scheme, she's actually quite reactionary on these matters.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
61. Why does she think that?
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 05:02 AM
Feb 2012

We have video of our former POTUS using such a gesture...so what gives? I thought they were outstanding people...was I wrong? Did the Family Council on Delightenment call out George Walker Bush for doing such a thing on national TVEE? Sureeeely they did.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
64. I find nothing offensive about what M.I.A did
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 09:01 AM
Feb 2012

Madonna is just jealous because no-one is talking about her lame performance..

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
65. What a trashy OP. MIA was a self indulgent, unprofessional whack attack.
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 09:46 AM
Feb 2012

And horrors! Madonna is not 23! Alert the Straight Male Media!

DonCoquixote

(13,615 posts)
67. It has nothign to do wth Madonna's age
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 06:10 PM
Feb 2012

everything to do with the hypocrisy. Sadly, the shock jock way of stardom has become the conservative, established way for women to get ahead in the biz. It might have been libertaing back in 1987, but it is old, old hat now, and for Madge to act self righteous sounds an awful lot like the whining Justin T. did over the "wardrobe malfunction" that we all know was planned.

What it boild down to is this: yesterday's rebel becomes today's establishment figure, especially when they rely on shock value. As far as LGBT role models go, many have come along: the Ellens, the Rosies, the Rachels, the Ruperts, all of whom are known more for their SKILL and TALENT then the fact that they can freak out the mundanes. Granted, shock will always have value, as MIA will soon reapt the fruits of, but the truth is, this flap has nothing to do with age, and everything to do wuith the fact that we are all just a little bit more savvy and jaded knowing the way the media tries to make issues to lead us around with.

Madonna will not be hurt at all by this, nor will MIA, nor will the Super Bowl. All will make a load of cash, much more than most DUer's will ever, ever come close to making.

It has nothign to do with anything important, like seniors being forced to eat dog food, or people losing their homes, or people getting killed by drones, it is all a distraction from these things, and Madonna has gotten paid very well for being just that, a distraction. The wheels that grins flesh will roll, and if some LGBT or feminists or their adversaries get into a fight over her, the powers that be will smiles and go "so much the better" as that will make it weasier for them to grind ALL OF US into their sausage, by that time our own opinions and differences will not matter much at all.

I will add that, if she was really buying her own propaganda abouthow MIA was nad because she was so "negative", themn it is a sign that she is no longer the sly charlatan she once was, but has instead grown demented. That has nothing to do with age, and everything to do with getting weak. Really, does she not realize that if she was picked for the Super Bowl, that the same GOP powers that be, who sponsor the Super Bowl, see her as less of a threat?

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
70. Oooh look at ME, I'm M.I.A. and I just found out that I have a middle finger!
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 06:42 PM
Feb 2012

Aren't I edgy and cool?

Answer: Yawn...

Iggo

(47,487 posts)
76. MIA got a ton of press after the SB.
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 10:03 AM
Feb 2012

Madonna ain't havin' it. Nothing new here.

My take on whether or not it's appropriate for a family show is this: If you've got your kids sitting down watching grown men knock the shit out of each other, they can handle a middle finger here and there.

Other than that, why give a fuck?

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