HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » AP Leak ended informant's...

Sun May 19, 2013, 10:05 PM

AP Leak ended informant's rare opportunity, why DOJ went after AP records

WASHINGTON Disclosure of a highly classified intelligence operation in Yemen last year compromised an exceedingly rare and valuable espionage achievement: an informant who had earned the trust of hardened terrorists, according to U.S. officials
Clip
The informant, a British citizen born in Saudi Arabia, had been recruited by British intelligence to operate as a double agent within the group Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, one of the most dangerous franchises of the Al Qaeda terrorist network.

His access led to the U.S. drone strike that killed a senior Al Qaeda leader, Fahd Mohammed Ahmed Quso, on May 6, 2012. U.S. officials say Quso helped direct the terrorist attack that killed 17 sailors aboard the U.S. guided-missile destroyer Cole in a Yemeni harbor in October 2000
The informant also convinced members of the Yemeni group that he wanted to blow up a U.S. passenger jet on the first anniversary of the U.S. attack that killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan. They outfitted him with the latest version of an underwear bomb designed to pass metal detectors and other airport safeguards, officials say.

The informant left Yemen and delivered the device to his handlers, and it ultimately went to the FBI's laboratory in Quantico, Va. Intelligence officials hoped to send him back to Yemen to help track more bomb makers and planners, but the leak made that impossible, and sent Al Qaeda scrambling to cover its tracks, officials said

Snip

British intelligence officials were furious at the disclosures, a British diplomat said. Saudi intelligence officials also were dismayed, U.S. officials said. And U.S. intelligence and law enforcement officials were aghast.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/middleeast/la-na-intel-leak-20130517,0,979584.story

This story is really worth the read because it gives all the details of the AP scandal, leak whatever u call it. It's LA Times so a little rw but it does give the details. I absolutely back their getting subpoenas for the phone logs, provided they don't explore any phone numbers not associated with the leak. AP reporters, just like abc w/benghazi emails got sloppy and others will have to pay.

35 replies, 3594 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 35 replies Author Time Post
Reply AP Leak ended informant's rare opportunity, why DOJ went after AP records (Original post)
okaawhatever May 2013 OP
DCKit May 2013 #1
freshwest May 2013 #15
msanthrope May 2013 #2
lindysalsagal May 2013 #3
msanthrope May 2013 #5
leveymg May 2013 #35
okaawhatever May 2013 #4
msanthrope May 2013 #6
okaawhatever May 2013 #7
msanthrope May 2013 #8
freshwest May 2013 #9
okaawhatever May 2013 #10
msanthrope May 2013 #11
freshwest May 2013 #14
Cha May 2013 #30
freshwest May 2013 #33
Fuddnik May 2013 #18
freshwest May 2013 #22
okaawhatever May 2013 #12
JDPriestly May 2013 #20
DallasNE May 2013 #19
freshwest May 2013 #16
alcibiades_mystery May 2013 #13
DCKit May 2013 #17
alcibiades_mystery May 2013 #23
zerosumgame0005 May 2013 #28
Hissyspit May 2013 #21
alcibiades_mystery May 2013 #24
Cha May 2013 #32
emulatorloo May 2013 #26
zerosumgame0005 May 2013 #29
emulatorloo May 2013 #25
Flying Squirrel May 2013 #27
CJCRANE May 2013 #34
Cha May 2013 #31

Response to okaawhatever (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2013, 10:11 PM

1. So Scooter Libby is going back to prison?

 

Dog, I hope someone refuses to be scapegoated for this... I want their boss up on charges of compromising national security.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DCKit (Reply #1)

Sun May 19, 2013, 11:36 PM

15. I don't think Scooter even saw a jail cell. He should have, but Dubya saved him...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to okaawhatever (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2013, 10:24 PM

2. The leaking potentially jeopardized our relationship with the UK and Saudi

 

intelligence services.

As I noted in my own thread on this issue, the time line on these events is this--


Covert op (a Title 50) is executed in Yemen.

The Gang of 8 is notified.

Republican leaks a title 50 covert op to reporter at the AP

Reporter calls to confirm.

CIA asks for holdoff.

AP publishes early.

Republicans blame Obama for leak.

Romney blames Obama for leak. (remember this is before he goes on his foreign/Olympic tour)

AP IS SILENT.

The AP is either in active collusion on a dirty trick, OR, they knew they got punked, and didn't out the source.


Why did this happen???? Because the Republicans were trying to make the President look bad on foreign policy on the year anniversary of Osama:

The Times also reports that there is some anger within the intelligence community that both the plot and the use of an informant were revealed by the media. The first report on the failed mission came from the Associated Press, which was asked not to report on the story by the CIA. They did hold it for several days while the agent who media reports call a "double agent," though there is no indication he was ever a true member of al-Qaeda and his family were moved to a safe location within Saudi Arabia. Rep. Peter King, the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, said there were concerns that leaks would discourage foreign intelligence services and other possible informants from working with the United States in the future, if the methods and sources for such operations were disclosed publicly.http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/05/latest-underwear-bomber-was-actually-cia-spy/52080/








Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to msanthrope (Reply #2)

Sun May 19, 2013, 10:37 PM

3. How do you know the leaker was republican? (Not challenging you)

I'm not trying to argue: I'm really interested in knowing what the proof is that it's GOP: Because they need to go on record as having created this problem.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #3)

Sun May 19, 2013, 10:51 PM

5. Look at the time line--there are no coincidences. The subpoenaing of the House of Reps

 

press gallery phone (the AP line) means Republican, not Administration.

And why aren't the Repubs demanding a Congressional investigation on this? Because they know there's a grand jury, and they have a pretty good idea where this is headed.



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to msanthrope (Reply #5)

Mon May 20, 2013, 10:13 PM

35. The basic premise - that this guy could somehow walk back into the cell - is so utterly implausible

as to be laughable. It's back-fill and CYA that someone in the CIA or DOJ cooked up long after the fact that this operation was over at the moment the agent was extracted in September. He was not going back in -- particularly after Quso was droned -- so when the article was published May 7, 2012, the operation was stone cold.

I've seen how backfill is created. Normally, it's at a conference table in DC where some bright junior lights start picking over the details of an operation so it fills the needs of an after-action report or some other proceeding, such as an indictment or an application for Section 13. Nobody who knows anything is buying into this backfill cover-story.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to msanthrope (Reply #2)

Sun May 19, 2013, 10:46 PM

4. This story in the LA Times claims that the problem wasn't so much when they reported it, but that

Brennan had used the term "inside control" of the operation. AP jumped to reporting (as did others, but ap came out first) a double agent. It seems they knew we had the bomb at FBI headquarters, and when they heard inside control they put two and two together. That was also what I heard on Rachel Maddow show. She had some expert on the middle east and that's what he said. The point from this story is that they confirm they were planning on sending the guy back in. We'll never know what he may have accomplished. The msm is under-reporting this story, the same as the abc news gaffe. Shame on them, if they want first amendment protection they have to go back to being journalists.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to okaawhatever (Reply #4)

Sun May 19, 2013, 10:57 PM

6. Yes--they not only outed a double agent, but they gave cover to those who

 

attempted to use this a dirty trick to the compromise the election. The AP should have burned their source--I am of the opinion that if the press wants to collude with liars (see the Benghazi emails) then it is journalistic malpractice.

Some Republican fed the AP the double-agent in order to affect the election. The AP let itself be used. This is not responsible journalism.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to msanthrope (Reply #6)

Sun May 19, 2013, 11:11 PM

7. I wonder if it also wasn't about screwing his foreign policy. Obama now has two major players pissed

at him. I also wonder if the second round of Benghazi hearings weren't to out the CIA op there. We had an agreement with Russia that we wouldn't provide weapon assistance to Syria if they didn't. When the cia outpost was revealed they were supposedly there to re-acquire all the weapons missing during the civil war. I saw several references that were claiming they were running guns into syria. If you look at what Russia has done since that info became public it would seem to support that theory. We had the agent arrested, Obama agreed to go to Russia right after, Russia has now moved warships into the gulf, and has admitted selling them weapons in 2011. The reason I thought about it is because the blogs/news/comments have been negative on Obama's foreign policy recently.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to okaawhatever (Reply #7)

Sun May 19, 2013, 11:15 PM

8. A very good point about Russia. Have you noticed all the DUers who use RT,

 

breathlessly, as a legitimate source without ever questioning it?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to msanthrope (Reply #8)

Sun May 19, 2013, 11:19 PM

9. Wasn't AP taken over by Moon some years ago?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to freshwest (Reply #9)

Sun May 19, 2013, 11:27 PM

10. I don't know. What was his name Lester Moon? nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to freshwest (Reply #9)

Sun May 19, 2013, 11:28 PM

11. UPI, I think. nt

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to msanthrope (Reply #11)

Sun May 19, 2013, 11:35 PM

14. Yeah, that sounds about right, Rev Moon bought a newspaper, too. AP was up to no good with it, IMO.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to freshwest (Reply #14)

Mon May 20, 2013, 05:17 PM

30. Moonies own Washington Times. n/m

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Reply #30)

Mon May 20, 2013, 05:28 PM

33. All the news that's fit to... uh...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to freshwest (Reply #9)

Mon May 20, 2013, 12:22 AM

18. No. He took over UPI.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Fuddnik (Reply #18)

Mon May 20, 2013, 02:58 AM

22. Thanks, Misanthrope reminded me I knew it was one or the other.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to msanthrope (Reply #8)

Sun May 19, 2013, 11:28 PM

12. No, but i'll be on the look out. They come up with some rather unique points of view. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to msanthrope (Reply #8)

Mon May 20, 2013, 01:13 AM

20. "Breathlessly as a legitmate source without ever questioning it"?

I doubt the "without ever questioning it" part. RT has some good programs and some really slanted ones. The slant is pretty obvious sometimes. But then there is Thom Hartmann and Max Keiser who has some really good guests on occasion.

If the US media were more open to presenting different opinions, RT probably wouldn't be of much interest. But considering how one-sided our news coverage is in the US, if you listen to some US media and a bit of RT, you at least get different points of view.

We need to watch Fox, ABC, CNN, CBS and NBC just as critically as we watch other media including RT.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to okaawhatever (Reply #4)

Mon May 20, 2013, 12:50 AM

19. That Doesn't Explain Why They Went With The Story

The actual problem happened before Brennan tried to reassure people with his "inside control" comment. That, in other words, is not the cause but the effect. It took a leak to get that ball rolling. And once it was rolling it doesn't explain why the AP thought it was proper to run with the report, especially after the CIA asked them not to report it. They weren't, after all, reporting on a screw up but on a success. It is getting pretty disgusting the lengths some people are willing to go in order to make Obama fail. Should this be traced back to someone on an Intelligence Committee of Congress then it would amount to treason. I have heard a Grand Jury is looking into this and that may be how the AP came to know that some of their reporters phone call records had been subject to a subpoena.

Oh, one Republican has said that there had been too many security leaks and the administration needed to crack down harder on those leaks. So, Obama cracks down harder and Republicans smell scandal. Until I learn more I see no serious issue with what has transpired in this case.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to msanthrope (Reply #2)

Sun May 19, 2013, 11:37 PM

16. I wonder how many people got killed over this in that region...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to okaawhatever (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2013, 11:29 PM

13. Outrageous

 

People are upset that Justice is investigating THIS?

This is possibly even more serious than the Plame leak.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #13)

Sun May 19, 2013, 11:49 PM

17. Pssssst... they didn't investigate that, either. nt

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DCKit (Reply #17)

Mon May 20, 2013, 08:23 AM

23. I recall a special prosecutor being appointed, a grand jury being enpaneled

 

And the chief of staff of the Vice President being convicted of obstruction of justice and perjury.

That's just me, though.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #23)

Mon May 20, 2013, 02:57 PM

28. yeah the fall guy was convicted

 

slapped on his hand and went back to more treason

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #13)

Mon May 20, 2013, 02:16 AM

21. No, people are upset about how Justice is investigating this.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Hissyspit (Reply #21)

Mon May 20, 2013, 08:25 AM

24. Right

 

And I remember all the serious concern at DU over journalistic freedom when Patrick Fitzgerald had Judith Miller thrown in jail for refusing to burn a source.

Oh, that's right.

It wasn't so much "concern" as it was "celebration."

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #24)

Mon May 20, 2013, 05:20 PM

32. Selective outrage. n/m

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Hissyspit (Reply #21)

Mon May 20, 2013, 12:23 PM

26. A lot of it seems like the usual faux outrage from the usual loud handful.

Who also seem hell bent on misrepresenting the facts to fit their agenda.

Not everyone of course.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Hissyspit (Reply #21)

Mon May 20, 2013, 02:59 PM

29. you mean the way Rand Paul voted against stopping this?

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to okaawhatever (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2013, 12:20 PM

25. Thnks for posting. DU needed this big injection of reality.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to okaawhatever (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2013, 02:51 PM

27. A former CIA lawyer, who asked not to be identified so he could speak candidly, called that an exagg

 

A former CIA lawyer, who asked not to be identified so he could speak candidly, called that an exaggeration.

"Any time you've got a human being involved who was compromised, it's serious," he said. "But it certainly wasn't one of the top two or three that I would have picked. And I never heard of a leak investigation throwing out a dragnet over this many reporters."


I think the leak is outrageous too, just like I think 9-11 was outrageous. But the reaction by the DOJ is like Congress passing the Patriot Act after 9-11.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Flying Squirrel (Reply #27)

Mon May 20, 2013, 05:40 PM

34. An "anonymous source" speaking candidly...

I think his opinion might need a pinch of salt.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to okaawhatever (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2013, 05:19 PM

31. thank you, okaawhatever

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread