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Sun May 19, 2013, 08:03 PM

The Lie Matters: What Did Sen Coburn Know about the Edited Benghazi Email and How Did He Know It

The Lie Matters: What Did Sen Coburn Know about the Edited Benghazi Email and How Did He Know It

By: Sarah Jones

Joy Reid dropped a little Benghazi lying leaker bomb yesterday on the Reid Report blog. A trusted source of hers told her to look at the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs. One person who stood out to her was Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK), who was on Morning Joe on May 9th, the day before the now debunked Benghazi email bombshell, claiming that there were “glaring omissions” in what was given to the intelligence committee, but that he couldn’t talk about it yet.

Senator Coburn appears to be referencing the email that was edited and shopped by “Republicans on Capitol Hill” to media outlets, and picked up by the gullible rube Jonathan Karl at ABC, as well as repeated by The Weekly Standard and a CBS reporter. This suggests that he saw the edited version of the email that was leaked by Republicans.

The Reid Report detailed on Saturday:

A very trusted source of mine gave me a cryptic piece of advice yesterday, which was to take a look at the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs. I didn’t know quite what to make of it at the time, but tonight it occurred to me: could someone on that committee also have been on the Select Committee on Intelligence, which is the one that got the email briefing in February?

Here’s the Republican membership of the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee (the Committee is chaired by Democrat Thom Carper of Delaware):
• Tom Coburn, (OK) Ranking Member
• John McCain (AZ)
• Ron Johnson (WI)
• Rob Portman (OH)
• Rand Paul (KY)
• Mike Enzi (WY)
• Kelly Ayotte (NH)
Pretty juicy list! Note how stacked the minority side of the committee is with presidential aspirants, potential aspirants, a former aspirant, and some of the most hardcore tea party Senators, including some, like Rand Paul, John McCain and Kelly Ayotte, who have gone after, first Susan Rice, and then Hillary Clinton guns blazing on Benghazi. But only one of those Senators ALSO sits on the Select Committee on Intelligence — which is the one that my administration source says got the February briefing”

And that person is Tom Coburn.

Joy Reid points out that “On May 9th — literally the day before Jonathan Karl’s “bombshell” report went live, Coburn appeared on MSNBC’s ” and said that the State Department was going to be in trouble because of “glaring omissions” that he could not discuss yet, but he assured us all would come out eventually.

Episode cued up per Joy Reid to the relevant part:

- more -

http://www.politicususa.com/day-benghazi-email-sen-coburn-referenced-glaring-omission-talk.html

‘Doctored’ Benghazi e-mails rankle Dem lawmaker
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022864633

Republicans suddenly rushing to cover their asses after doctored email exposed
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022867117

Updated to add screen grab of the Morning Joe segment:


http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3036789/ns/msnbc-morning_joe/vp/51827925#51827925


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Reply The Lie Matters: What Did Sen Coburn Know about the Edited Benghazi Email and How Did He Know It (Original post)
ProSense May 2013 OP
Kingofalldems May 2013 #1
H2O Man May 2013 #2
NYC_SKP May 2013 #3
DonViejo May 2013 #4
NoMoreWarNow May 2013 #37
stevenleser May 2013 #5
Cha May 2013 #6
Cha May 2013 #7
ProSense May 2013 #11
Thinkingabout May 2013 #8
silvershadow May 2013 #9
Tx4obama May 2013 #10
SCVDem May 2013 #12
Euphoria May 2013 #13
SCVDem May 2013 #14
jmowreader May 2013 #38
spanone May 2013 #15
DainBramaged May 2013 #19
spanone May 2013 #20
Bigmack May 2013 #16
pscot May 2013 #24
SCVDem May 2013 #25
icarusxat May 2013 #52
SCVDem May 2013 #53
aquart May 2013 #26
annabanana May 2013 #28
sheshe2 May 2013 #17
Isoldeblue May 2013 #18
Botany May 2013 #21
RussBLib May 2013 #22
ProSense May 2013 #23
napkinz May 2013 #27
ProSense May 2013 #55
AzDar May 2013 #29
hue May 2013 #30
DainBramaged May 2013 #31
AndyA May 2013 #32
spanone May 2013 #33
s-cubed May 2013 #34
alfredo May 2013 #35
jmowreader May 2013 #39
alfredo May 2013 #44
dmr May 2013 #36
landolfi May 2013 #40
Blue Owl May 2013 #41
brett_jv May 2013 #42
redqueen May 2013 #43
alfredo May 2013 #45
JDPriestly May 2013 #47
bunnies May 2013 #48
JDPriestly May 2013 #46
spanone May 2013 #49
Ninga May 2013 #50
southern_belle May 2013 #51
Beacool May 2013 #54
ProSense May 2013 #56

Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2013, 08:07 PM

1. Kick and Rec for internet republicans trying to

divert our attention with the so called IRS scandal.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2013, 08:08 PM

2. Recommended.

Thank you for posting this.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2013, 08:13 PM

3. K/R. (nt)

 

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2013, 08:17 PM

4. Unfortunately, Karl is far worse than a "gullible rube"...

he's been trained by the right wing

A Right-Wing Mole at ABC News

Karl came to mainstream journalism via the Collegiate Network, an organization primarily devoted to promoting and supporting right-leaning newspapers on college campuses (Extra!, 9-10/91)—such as the Rutgers paper launched by the infamous James O’Keefe (Political Correction, 1/27/10). The network, founded in 1979, is one of several projects of the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, which seeks to strengthen conservative ideology on college campuses. William F. Buckley was the ISI’s first president, and the current board chair is American Spectator publisher Alfred Regnery. Several leading right-wing pundits came out of Collegiate-affiliated papers, including Ann Coulter, Dinesh D'Souza, Michelle Malkin, Rich Lowry and Laura Ingraham (Washington Times, 11/28/04).


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251306651

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #4)

Mon May 20, 2013, 12:30 PM

37. thanks-- he never seemed like a movement conservative but looks like he was a tool for them

 

maybe was looking for a way to get ahead with them.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2013, 08:18 PM

5. K&R nt

 

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2013, 08:23 PM

6. Good! this story has legs that need to keep growing longer.

I posted on Joy Reid's report last night..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251306751

thanks for Sarah Jones' piece continuing in this vein, ProSense!

Joy Reid points out that “On May 9th — literally the day before Jonathan Karl’s “bombshell” report went live, Coburn appeared on MSNBC’s ” and said that the State Department was going to be in trouble because of “glaring omissions” that he could not discuss yet, but he assured us all would come out eventually.


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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2013, 08:29 PM

7. And, what "glaring Omissions"? The original emails did not have

the "talking points" that the doctored fake ones had. Is that what ol coburn was refering to?

thanks for adding the vid of coburn, PS.

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Response to Cha (Reply #7)

Sun May 19, 2013, 08:58 PM

11. Don't forget this

But only one of those Senators ALSO sits on the Select Committee on Intelligence — which is the one that my administration source says got the February briefing”

And that person is Tom Coburn.

This goes directly to the point that the doctored email was being included in Congressional hearings.

Issa's spokesman admitted that in a statement denying that they saw the doctored e-mail before hand: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022864633

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2013, 08:29 PM

8. The GOP may just have opened a can of worms they can not put back in

I would like to see which Republican is going to stand up and tell the truth now. It seems as their whistle blowers has testified and no big revelations so what is their next step. Its time for some honesty and this will have to come from those so happy to spread lies.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #8)

Sun May 19, 2013, 08:37 PM

9. Drip. Drip. Drip. nt

 

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2013, 08:38 PM

10. The article by Joy Reid is a great one too, link below



A Washington ‘whodunit’: who fed bogus Benghazi ‘emails’ to the media? **UPDATE: a ‘glaring omission…’**

Here: http://blog.reidreport.com/2013/05/benghazi-emails-whodunit/



I thought I posted a DU thread with the Joy Reid article yesterday but I guess I forgot
I did tweet it out on Twitter, so that's something.



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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2013, 09:06 PM

12. What a list!

 

Talk about subversives and a group intent on overthrowing our duly elected government!

There's another word for that.

Can anyone else think what that is?

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #12)

Sun May 19, 2013, 09:20 PM

13. starts with a "T"?

nt

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Response to Euphoria (Reply #13)

Sun May 19, 2013, 09:44 PM

14. They like the 'I' word

 

I'm agreeing with you on the "T" word!

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #12)

Mon May 20, 2013, 01:21 PM

38. The correct word is sedition, not treason

Treason is one of two things: holding a shooting war against your own country, or aiding the enemy like Ronald Reagan did by selling missiles to Iran.

Sedition is attempting to overthrow the government using methods not approved of by the Constitution, like whatever Republicans doctored those emails.

And this time some low-level staffer can't take the heat. You know the Repugnants are going to roll out the bottom-rung guy who actually knows how to use Word and claim youthful indiscretion...oh, young Joe decided to use three tablespoons of coffee per cup this time and, buzzing from ultra-strong coffee and his first cigar, decided to tamper with official emails as a joke that got out of hand. No! Some senator, or a group of them - Republicans are pack animals - is hip deep in shit over this.

How to know who did it: start questioning office supply stores. You are looking for bulk purchases of hard drives made in the 48 hours after Editgate was made public, because no one is going to keep a hard drive that ever held evidence he tried to overthrow the government.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2013, 09:46 PM

15. k&r..

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Response to spanone (Reply #15)

Sun May 19, 2013, 10:20 PM

19. I kick your kick and raise it one kick

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #19)

Sun May 19, 2013, 10:22 PM

20. i'm with DB...

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2013, 09:53 PM

16. What's the diff....

 

... the stories that explain the "scandals" and point to the Teapublicans simply aren't getting any broad media reporting.

Pres Obama went up a couple of points in approval, but the real story is that the Republibaggers lied.

We got nothin' from the MSM.

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Response to Bigmack (Reply #16)

Mon May 20, 2013, 02:02 AM

24. There are grand juries and FBI probes

going on and Republicans are being targeted. The leak to the AP may have come from a GOP Senator. The security establishment is all stirred up over it. We lost a valuable intelligence asset because of it, and the bad guys went into hiding. Serious stuff, since we are at war.

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Response to Bigmack (Reply #16)

Mon May 20, 2013, 03:01 AM

25. Broad media reporting?

 

What is that, anyway. A bunch of old white people divided into camps who watch various versions of make believe.

It's the interwebs we need to master. That's where the fast paced broad appeal is. The world changes due to smartphones and webcams. The proof is in how dangerous the authorities see them and wish to take them.

Gun or smartphone. Which wins the revolution. Facts and photos kill lies and bullshit.

Keep it verifiable and we win over the corporate bloat.

Old people aren't profecient enough in tech to master it before their nap time.

We win! And we start by killing their Buzz words like scandle and anything Gate. Mock them.

Constantly ask for proof and references. No free rides!

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #25)

Mon May 20, 2013, 09:32 PM

52. Define old...

50 plus?
Be glad I am on the side of truth and justice...
You do make a very good point however, mock the Fox folk fools who went senile and think that what we are getting on teevee is still honest...

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Response to icarusxat (Reply #52)

Mon May 20, 2013, 09:40 PM

53. I'm 58

 

I don't know and refuse to participate in social media. Tumblr? Facebook? No friggin way!

I like my privacy.

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Response to Bigmack (Reply #16)

Mon May 20, 2013, 06:15 AM

26. Darling, this is 2013. The media follows US.

Go forth and trend.

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Response to aquart (Reply #26)

Mon May 20, 2013, 08:57 AM

28. +1. . . .n/t

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2013, 10:04 PM

17. K&R!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2013, 10:10 PM

18. Well, the teahadists wanted a scandal

Now it looks like they've got one; one of their own, with gobs of egg on their face!

We need to keep this going. It's a travesty.
Joy, you rock!!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2013, 10:26 PM

21. Did the doctor doctor the emails to hurt Obama/Clinton?

Me thinks a Coburn staff person is gonna fall on his or her sword ASAP

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2013, 10:53 PM

22. there must be an investigation!

How many Republicans were knowingly pushing lies?

Although, in Christianland, I'm sure it's quite OK to lie if you are lying to try to bring down Obama.

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Response to RussBLib (Reply #22)

Mon May 20, 2013, 01:14 AM

23. Well,

"How many Republicans were knowingly pushing lies? "

...it's going to be interesting. Issa's spokesperson is already denying any knowledge: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022864633

Sen. Coburn Likely Leaker of Bogus Benghazi Emails
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/20/1210351/-Sen-Coburn-Likely-Leaker-of-Bogus-Benghazi-Emails

Not sure it was Coburn, but he clearly has some explaining to do.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2013, 07:32 AM

27. will the MSM address the REAL scandal ...












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Response to napkinz (Reply #27)

Tue May 21, 2013, 08:44 PM

55. Nope. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2013, 09:24 AM

29. K & R

 

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2013, 09:30 AM

30. ALEC & puppets R putting great time, $$ & energy into derailing the Dem momentum & affiliation=FEAR!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2013, 10:05 AM

31. Happy to be rec 101

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2013, 10:18 AM

32. Coburn. It figures.

The doctor who's also a Senator.

I called his office once and asked them if it was his patients or his constituents who got the short end of the stick, since both were "full time" jobs. They couldn't answer me.

I think it's obvious that BOTH his patients and his constituents get much less than they deserve.

Supposedly he isn't running for office again, last I heard.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2013, 10:18 AM

33. only democratic scandals. seem to matter....nothing else

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2013, 11:43 AM

34. Didn't Lindsay Graham make a comment about news that would blow this whole thing (Benghazi) open?

I think it was just before the "whistle blowers" testimony on Friday, but could he have also known about the doctored emails? I think people assumed he was hoping the testimony would be damaging, but in hindsight, maybe not.

If the doctored emails involve 2 senators, that's a real SCANDA!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2013, 11:55 AM

35. Can the e-mails delivered to the committee be considered government documents? If they are,

is it illegal to alter them?

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Response to alfredo (Reply #35)

Mon May 20, 2013, 01:36 PM

39. E-mails are government documents

The GOP was using this set as evidence of wrongdoing. Evidence can't be altered to falsely damage the defendant.(If the cops bring in...oh, a big green van made out of marijuana, say...and they cut off a piece and chop it up to test it, that's not altering evidence. If the cops bring in a big green van made out of fiberglass and spray-paint it with hash oil before cutting part off of it, that is altering evidence. And tampering with evidence gets you sent to a not-very-nice place.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #39)

Mon May 20, 2013, 03:58 PM

44. We need to go on the offensive on this as soon as names are disclosed.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2013, 12:30 PM

36. Remember Coburn in the John Ensign's affair?

Coburn's slick and corrupt.

The Senate Dems would be foolish not to investigate this.

Not to, would provide the Repubs a license to carry on as the enemy of the State.

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Response to dmr (Reply #36)

Mon May 20, 2013, 01:58 PM

40. Exactly. There need to be consequences for this BS.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2013, 02:43 PM

41. Devil's in the details...

Hi Karl!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2013, 02:54 PM

42. I really, really hope 'we' are 'right' about this whole thing ...

It's really not 'like' Rove, et al, to be so careless (and straight-forward) in his trickery as what we're suspecting them of here.

What I'm getting at here is this: what if it eventually comes out that the GOP guys provided the 'real' emails, and the WH proffered the 'doctored' ones, not knowing that the 'real' ones had already been delivered to teh GOP?

It wouldn't be the first time Rove outsmarted 'our side'.

Don't get me wrong, I really, really hope that this isn't what happened (and, in fact, I *DOUBT* that is what happened), but I have had this lingering fear ever since Unkle Karl tricked Dan Rather ... that this f***er is one smart, sly bastard ...

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Response to brett_jv (Reply #42)

Mon May 20, 2013, 02:58 PM

43. My, what an 'interesting' theory. nt

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Response to brett_jv (Reply #42)

Mon May 20, 2013, 04:00 PM

45. So far the Republicans have come across as the gang that can't shoot straight. The only thing

they seem to hit is their own foot.

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Response to brett_jv (Reply #42)

Mon May 20, 2013, 04:04 PM

47. Not likely. That would be more embarrassing for Democrats than just dealing with

the Republican version.

And it is also unlikely because the White House released so many of the e-mails pertaining to this issue. That reduces the likelihood that they doctored any of them.

Remember, in this day and age of e-mails, an e-mail is usually sent to a number of people in situations like that following Benghazi. The e-mail was part of a committee effort. So, a number of people would have copies on their computers and in their e-mails. It would be pretty impossible to falsify or deny the contents of e-mails today. And e-mails can often be electronically recovered by experts if lost.

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Response to brett_jv (Reply #42)

Mon May 20, 2013, 05:01 PM

48. Romney-in-a-landslide Rove?

 

You give him too much credit. Turdblossom is a laughing stock.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2013, 04:02 PM

46. As I recall, Dan Rather was fired for allegedly presenting a false document in his show without

vetting it adequately. I still think that if that document was not the original, it was far more closely like the actual document than the e-mail in question here. The "news" reporter who failed to vet the e-mail text he was provided in this Benghazi case should meet the same fate as Dan Rather at the very least.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2013, 05:02 PM

49. republicans are in charge of asking all the questions...we'll never know.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2013, 06:28 PM

50. Morning Joe is going to be all over this...right?

bastards...all of them...

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2013, 06:52 PM

51. kick and Rec n/t

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue May 21, 2013, 10:24 AM

54. What a sorry bunch of turds!!

Particularly the Tea Party bunch.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue May 21, 2013, 10:44 PM

56. What happened to the media's breathless Benghazi coverage? n/t

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