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Sat May 11, 2013, 10:46 PM

 

I am a gun owner who believes

we should have 100% background checks...no exceptions.That includes giving guns to the kids or whatever

We should register every gun in the country...no exceptions.Ballistics testing of every single gun in the country and a national database of the rifling of every gun in the publics hands

We should force every gun owner to get a license just like a drivers license showing at least rudimentary understanding of guns...no exceptions.It should include at the least a rudimental psych test

We should make a law that forces all guns to be kept in safes unless they are being used...my own pistols are in a safe where I can access in about one second but no one else can touch them



How is that for a compromise?

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backwoodsbob May 2013 OP
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CaliforniaPeggy May 2013 #2
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KittyWampus May 2013 #56
SammyWinstonJack May 2013 #60
backwoodsbob May 2013 #64
SammyWinstonJack May 2013 #67
backwoodsbob May 2013 #71
SammyWinstonJack May 2013 #73
backwoodsbob May 2013 #75
SammyWinstonJack May 2013 #80
backwoodsbob May 2013 #82
flvegan May 2013 #86
backwoodsbob May 2013 #90
Electric Monk May 2013 #85
backwoodsbob May 2013 #88
flvegan May 2013 #91
backwoodsbob May 2013 #92
flvegan May 2013 #95
CaliforniaPeggy May 2013 #59
SammyWinstonJack May 2013 #62
Union Scribe May 2013 #72
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backwoodsbob May 2013 #81
flvegan May 2013 #87
Union Scribe May 2013 #83
newmember May 2013 #3
ThomThom May 2013 #124
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loli phabay May 2013 #6
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loli phabay May 2013 #12
backwoodsbob May 2013 #7
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backwoodsbob May 2013 #14
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backwoodsbob May 2013 #25
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safeinOhio May 2013 #61
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backwoodsbob May 2013 #53
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Common Sense Party May 2013 #93
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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat May 11, 2013, 10:53 PM

1. That is quite good. Wish you could convince the rest of gun folks that is truly "responsible. "

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat May 11, 2013, 10:55 PM

2. I agree completely, my dear backwoodsbob!

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Sun May 12, 2013, 12:55 AM

56. Random dogs in general or dogs that are attacking other dogs, pets or livestock?

 

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #56)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:04 AM

60. well..

ask him or ask DUer flvegan.

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #60)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:12 AM

64. or ask me

 

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #64)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:21 AM

67. lol.




You shoot dogs.

IMO you are a horrible person who should NOT own guns let alone advocate for gun regulation

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #67)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:33 AM

71. so you know me personally?

 

nice to meet you fvl

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #71)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:38 AM

73. honestly. i would not want know you personally.

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #73)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:46 AM

75. you really dont have a clue do you?

 

sorry

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #75)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:52 AM

80. A clue from you?




You kill, i have never killed...
So who is clueless?

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #80)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:55 AM

82. you arent worth it but

 

want to put your animal work against mine?

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #82)

Sun May 12, 2013, 02:02 AM

86. I do.

Go ahead. You first, tough guy.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #86)

Sun May 12, 2013, 02:12 AM

90. ok

 

'm the guy who delivers over 50 TONS of food every year to our local no kills.

I am the guy who has worked a schedule for vaccines for pups and kittens in shelters for twenty fucking years.

I have posted my adventures with all my rescue pups here...including Big Bear...Little bear..The Budster..junior...and last but not least..the Wonder Terrier...how many rescues have you saved?

Hell...I had PAWS calling me in Virginia asking me to take animals so they wouldn't be put down...I had twenty run cages I payed for and most were full at all times where I payed for the food...hundreds of dollars a month...to save dogs.

I spend more time every day dedicated to no kill shelters than most here will spend in there lives and you question me?

How dare you

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #80)

Sun May 12, 2013, 02:02 AM

85. Jury results: 0-6 LOL

 

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

I disagree with the OP but can we put an end to this tag-team stalking assault on bwb?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun May 12, 2013, 01:00 AM, and the Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: He peed on the Dude's rug.

Donny you're out of your element!
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Either one could have disengaged. In the meantime, it's a good example for all of us when to stop arguing.


Alerter now gets a 24 hour time out on alerting. I like that

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #80)

Sun May 12, 2013, 02:08 AM

88. you really want this?

 

I'm the guy who delivers over 50 TONS of food every year to our local no kills.

I am the guy who has worked a schedule for vaccines for pups and kittens in shelters for twenty fucking years.

I have posted my adventures with all my rescue pups here...including Big Bear...Little bear..The Budster..junior...and last but not least..the Wonder Terrier...how many rescues have you saved?

Hell...I had PAWS calling me in Virginia asking me to take animals so they wouldn't be put down...I had twenty run cages I payed for and most were full at all times where I payed for the food...hundreds of dollars a month...to save dogs.

I spend more time every day dedicated to no kill shelters than most here will spend in there lives and you question me?

How dare you

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #88)

Sun May 12, 2013, 02:31 AM

91. This is embarrassing.

Thank you for your delivery of 100,000 pounds of food to the local shelters each year. You rock.

How many rescues have I saved? A few, some, many, a lot. No idea, I don't keep track. Ego ain't my thing.

Fact is, by your own admittance, you shotgunned a chained dog. A family dog. This ain't no pissing contest, as I think I'd win that one, and that's not the point.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #91)

Sun May 12, 2013, 02:37 AM

92. you're right..that's not the point

 

the question is why you obsess over this?

I have saved literally hundreds of dogs...I killed one killer dog who couldn't be saved...and you obsess over that one dog?

On edit

Good luck winning that pissing contest little one....we can all laugh at that thing if you want to post

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #92)

Sun May 12, 2013, 03:09 AM

95. I don't obsess. I remember.

You executed a chained dog. A family member. With pride.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #54)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:59 AM

59. I agreed with his post. n/t

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #59)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:05 AM

62. Your choice. nt

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Response to Post removed (Reply #54)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:34 AM

72. You're showing your ass in a pretty major way here. nt

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #72)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:48 AM

78. how so?

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #78)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:52 AM

81. you really dont know me do you

 

you just don't have a clue

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #81)

Sun May 12, 2013, 02:07 AM

87. Offer one, Bob. Please feel free.

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #78)

Sun May 12, 2013, 02:00 AM

83. You've taken a huge shit on this thread

with your hangup on some old grudge. What could have been a good discussion of gun policy is now a flaming bag on DU's doorstep.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat May 11, 2013, 10:59 PM

3. Ballistic testing for a data base won't work

 

If that's what you mean in your post.

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Response to newmember (Reply #3)

Sun May 12, 2013, 11:15 AM

124. tags in the gun powder and keep track of who buys it

that would narrow the field of shooters
guns barrels can be modified and do change over time but I totally agree with you
if you have a need then get a license and prove competency
education is the key to ending stupid accidents
kids will not always follow the rules they should never get access

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:02 PM

4. So you want every gun owner in the U.S to have a carry license

 

"We should force every gun owner to get a license"

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Response to newmember (Reply #4)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:05 PM

6. i think any licence would have to be voluntary, voluntaryyou could marry it with a nationwide ccw

 

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #6)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:09 PM

9. So what would be the point of having a mandatory license as posted in the op?

 

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Response to newmember (Reply #9)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:13 PM

12. i dont think you could do a mandatory licence, that was my point

 

But if you offered a voluntary licence that meant you were background checked and was a nationwide ccw then you may get people volunteering. I dont think there is any way on earth you could force people onto a registry, for example i have guns that there is no real paper trail for as well as others that went through a ffl dealer. How exactly could you force people to give you the info.

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Response to newmember (Reply #4)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:07 PM

7. yep

 

show a basic understanding of how a gun works and pass a rudimentary exam showing you aren't a danger at large

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #7)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:12 PM

11. Don't most gun owners have that already?

 

Hunter safety courses .

Don't most states require some type of safety training when applying for a carry permit or hunting license?

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Response to newmember (Reply #11)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:16 PM

14. no

 

I go to walmart every year for my deer tags and now for my hog tags...no anything required beyond money

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #14)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:19 PM

17. I'm not talking about tags , I'm talking about a hunting license

 

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Response to newmember (Reply #17)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:43 PM

25. no

 

all you need for a license is money

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #25)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:59 PM

32. Any other rights you think you should let the government decide if they are applicable to you or not

 

Free speech license? Only 15 bucks and a background check....

Search and seizure?

Hell, we hear folks raise holy hell about the cost of IDs and how it is the equivalent of a poll tax....

This is a non-starter....

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Response to Pelican (Reply #32)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:04 AM

61. None of those other rights you list include

a prefatory clause like the second does. That makes it different than all of the rest.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #61)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:13 AM

65. Doesn't mean that you get to just ignore the second half...

 

It's still a right and once it becomes a "can issue license" it no longer applies.

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Response to Pelican (Reply #65)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:20 AM

66. It means you may

qualify the second half in a different way than the other enumerated rights. Or, why is it the only right to have this clause?

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #25)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:39 AM

74. Where do you live, and how old are you? I only ask because my State requires EVERYONE born after

1960 (I think, will have to double check) to show proof of completing a Hunters Safety Course. The reason I have to double check is because I was born in 1963, and I have to show proof. I took the course in 8th grade in Tenn., took it again in Ga when I was in my mid twenties, and took it again in Tenn 2 years ago when my (then 16 y/o ) son had to take it to get his license. License vendors can now look you up in a database to check your status as to whether you've taken and passed the course.

Peace,

Ghost

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Response to newmember (Reply #11)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:57 AM

58. In Florida

If you were born after 1977 you have to have the hunters safety course to get a license. The hunters safety course also always those 12 and older to legally hunt with a firearm.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:04 PM

5. nope, i would go for a licencing program that clears people to buy guns that they want

 

But not to confident a registry would fly, how exactly would ballistic tests on a shotgun work? As to weapons being secure, they all should be unless your shooting or wearing it.

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #5)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:08 PM

8. I own several shotguns so i get the problem

 

that shouldn't stop us from rifling rifles

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #8)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:15 PM

13. honestly its not that hard to change the profile of any gun, you can change out the barrel,

 

Run a rat tail if you really want to hide your ballistic trail. I dont think this would pass muster in a lot of states.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #8)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:17 PM

15. The more they get shot the more the barrel and bolt face changes.

 

It would be a huge waste of federal money..

Most guns can already be traced back by serial number unless it has been stolen.
There are very few crimes unsolved because of only the firearm being found at the scene.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #8)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:11 PM

126. Every ~100 rounds I change the ballistic fingerprint of my rifles

I don't do it for any nefarious or criminal reasons; it's good maintenance practice to fire a couple of abrasive-coated bullets every so often to smooth out the normal damage from use. It extends barrel life and maintains accuracy (yes, it actually works), but definitely changes the engraving marks on the fired bullets. I suppose you could ban them, silly as that would be. I don't have any personal objections to ballistic fingerprinting, but it's been proven through use in several states to be a pretty huge waste of time and money better spent on other crime-reduction tactics like hiring more police or beefing up recordkeeping/reporting/checking - my current home state cancelled their program last year after 10 years and something like $40 mil produced literally zero results.

I'd rather see the 100% background checks be recorded on an ATF Form 4473 and kept by the Federally-licensed dealer performing the checks (instead of any kind of no-record instant check) as an alternative to a central-database registry, but that's just an implementation issue, six of one and half-dozen of another. Still provides a complete end-to-end trace of a firearm from manufacturer to current owner.

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Sat May 11, 2013, 11:18 PM

16. let it go dude

 

seriously...let it go

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Response to Post removed (Reply #10)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:19 PM

18. For those of us new to the party?

 

What?

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Response to Post removed (Reply #10)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:27 PM

19. I'm sorry

 

I'm sorry that you cant let go the fact that I shot a dog that had killed three dogs and put me in the hospital.I'm sorry that an incident that happened to me 5 years ago has scarred you so deeply that you have felt the need to follow me from post to post for all these years reminding me that I had to put down a dangerous animal that I truly wish I could have saved,an animal that would have killed my beloved Katie....the Wonder Terrier...if I had not stepped in and gotten hospitalized in the process.
I'm sorry flvegan that that one episode has so scarred you that you can't get over it.

I KILLED that dog to stop it from killing or maiming anything else...I would do so again...get over it

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #19)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:30 PM

20. Was it feral?

 

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Response to newmember (Reply #20)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:39 PM

24. no

 

it was a neighbors dog who was trained to fight.She had killed three dogs and one day attacked my Katie...the Wonder terrier...when I tried to separate them I was mauled.

When I got back from the hospital I shot the dog...that's what Flvegan has harassed me about for 5 years

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #24)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:43 PM

26. That's some crazy shit , I don't own a gun but would have done something drastic myself

 

What was next ? A small child maybe

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Response to newmember (Reply #26)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:55 PM

29. I know

 

but for 5 years he has followed me post after post reminding me of it like it's a badge of honor.

I'm probably the biggest animal lover on the sight...loves me some Katie and Junior...but he can't let go that I killed a dangerous animal that had killed multiple times

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #29)

Sun May 12, 2013, 02:10 AM

89. Please.

Don't afford yourself such attention on my behalf.

You've never been able to refute it. When you can, let me know.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #24)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:52 PM

28. I am so looking forward to this.

Come on, Bob.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #28)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:57 PM

30. he shot and killed a dangerous animal, thats what one does to protect ones livestock or pets or pers

 

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #30)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:11 AM

35. Did he?

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Response to flvegan (Reply #35)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:22 AM

39. well if the dog already killed other animals and attacked his dog and him as he says then yes

 

He is well within bounds to kill it if it was dangerous and he believed it to be a threat. My buddy just this week killed a dog that attacked his chicken and it was perfectly legal.

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #39)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:25 AM

41. You should look into the backstory.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #41)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:26 AM

42. why dance around and not just tell the backstory.

 

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #42)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:30 AM

45. From what he posted at the time, he shot a dog in cold blood, needlessly.

There you go.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #45)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:34 AM

47. depends, if the dog had already attacked then came on his property then he shot it.

 

I will defer to his judgement unless there is something else involved.

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #47)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:37 AM

50. You do that. n/t

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #47)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:44 AM

53. no he is right

 

I killed the dog in cold blood.She was chained when I shot her.
Lets have this out FVe.

The dog in question had killed three dogs in maulings.
She attacked the Wonder terrier
I defended The Wonder Terrier
I ended up with twenty stitches to my face and nearly 100 stitches overall saving her.

When I got back from the hospital I 12 gauged that dog.
I wont apologize for killing that monster

FLV has harassed me for 5 years about that incident

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #53)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:09 AM

63. I have three questions.

Isn't it the job of animal control to destroy animals with a history of attacking people?
Are there laws against what you did?
Did the police get involved with this matter or file charges?

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Response to JVS (Reply #63)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:32 AM

69. it was a bad situation

 

I didn't want my wifes nephew charged WITH ANYTHING....I just wanted the threat put down.

He paid for all the bills...he KNEW his dog was in the wrong.To this day he pays all of the wonder terriers vet bills

This was the forth attack by the dog in question...he didn't argue that I shot it...he knew the dog was dangerous.He told me if I hadn't shot it he would have.
THAT is what pisses me off...flv has harassed me for 5 years over something that the dogs owner says was a crazy dog that had to be put down.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #69)

Sun May 12, 2013, 03:55 AM

100. WTF is a "wonder terrier"?

 

Are you twelve or what?

And putting down a dangerous dog, especially one that is chained up is the responsibility of the authorities, not some yahoo with a 12ga.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #69)

Sun May 12, 2013, 10:31 AM

121. you did the right thing if he couldnt destroy it. rule number one though is the three s's

 

Shoot, shovel and silence.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #53)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:47 AM

76. Your current version of the story being what it is...

You "12 gauged" a chained dog.

Okay, lets have this out Bob, you hero. Though that's not *quite* how it happened, IIRC.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #76)

Sun May 12, 2013, 02:41 AM

93. Were you there?

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Response to Common Sense Party (Reply #93)

Sun May 12, 2013, 03:11 AM

96. Nope. I have to leave it to the executioner.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #53)

Sun May 12, 2013, 05:05 AM

104. Sounds like a good decision to me. nt

 

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #53)

Sun May 12, 2013, 09:13 AM

115. I still have to back you on this.

For some reason when some dogs, just like some people, get a like for harm, they keep at it.

Depending where you were, you may or may not have been able to call Animal Control. Then again, depending on where you are, Animal Control, after you told them the circumstances, would have shot the dog. Many parts or the country, they will end it with shooting the animal instead of risking taking it in for a Vet to put it down.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #53)

Sun May 12, 2013, 10:35 AM

122. You got only 6 stitches in the original version of your story...

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Response to flvegan (Reply #28)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:57 PM

31. come on what

 

you want to fistfight or something?

What is your issue?

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Response to flvegan (Reply #28)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:01 AM

33. cmon what?

 

for five years I've listened to your crap....you want to come on I'll give you my address

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #33)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:16 AM

36. LOL! That's two more times.

And I don't want you to do so. This is a messageboard. Don't get emotional about it, Bob.

But, if you want to challenge me, then that's on you. I enjoy a good laugh.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #19)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:38 PM

23. you did the right thing, you have a right to defend your pets and livestock and yourself

 

If you called me i would have done the same thing.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #19)

Sun May 12, 2013, 04:01 AM

101. Plus, it's just a fucking dog.

Jesus. Not everyone buys into that extremist animals-are-people philosophy.

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #101)

Sun May 12, 2013, 03:22 PM

130. +1

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #19)

Sun May 12, 2013, 08:50 AM

111. So you put down a dog that was a threat to others, and you are getting hammered for it?

As many know I am a huge dog lover, however when a dog goes bad something must be done.
I am sure that you did not enjoy doing it. This was one of those times that it had to be done.I also believe that this kind of attack that is going on in this post towards you is wrong.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #10)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:35 PM

21. so flvegan

 

are you going to pay the wonder terriers hospital bill?

Or mine?

Between us the hospital/vet bill was over 20k

You paying up? if so you can talk

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #21)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:51 PM

27. At last count, you addressed me three times.

Care to link your original post on the matter...or shall I?

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Response to flvegan (Reply #27)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:04 AM

34. want to discuss your bring it on threats?

 

I'll post my address if you want to talk about this personally

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #34)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:20 AM

37. My threats?

Enlighten me, Bob? What threats?

You're the one talking about fistfights and you posting an address if I want to "personally" address something.

Again, want to repost your original issue with the dog in question? The one you killed?

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Response to flvegan (Reply #37)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:23 AM

40. I killed it

 

end of story

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #40)

Sun May 12, 2013, 02:01 AM

84. You executed a dog, tough guy.

And then you challenged me, after the fact, physically. Multiple times.

Some folks here would tell you to consider yourself lucky, considering.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #84)

Sun May 12, 2013, 04:02 AM

102. No, humans get executed. Dogs get put down. nt

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Response to flvegan (Reply #27)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:21 AM

38. I'll address your bring it on post

 

as many times as needed to clear the air.

You want to *bring it on* ?

I'll post my address and we can have a conversation over your obsession with me.We can clear the air once and for all

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #38)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:29 AM

43. Again? "Bring it on?"

My obsession? You're the one begging me to ask your address.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #43)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:57 AM

57. He is a dog killer. He needs to deal with that, first and foremost.

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #57)

Sun May 12, 2013, 08:40 AM

110. Show us a link!

You got proof that he did it out of spite? Show it or back off.

All I have read so far shows BWB in the right.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #27)

Sun May 12, 2013, 02:50 AM

94. Post it

the link to the original

Thanks.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #10)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:52 AM

55. ...

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat May 11, 2013, 11:37 PM

22. Since you used the word compromise, what is the gun control side willing to give up?


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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #22)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:29 AM

44. a total ban

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Response to JI7 (Reply #44)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:36 AM

48. wow

 

how generous of you

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Response to JI7 (Reply #44)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:36 AM

49. That's kind of cute.


Its almost as if you think that were possible.



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Response to JI7 (Reply #44)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:42 AM

52. for everyone?

 

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:31 AM

46. You shoot dogs, don't you? Should there be a license required for that?



How about a law to get rid of all guns?

guns=WMDs


Compromise my ass!

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #46)

Sun May 12, 2013, 04:08 AM

103. "dog" singular. It was dangerous and out of control.

Calling guns WMDs minimizes the seriousness of chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons and the suffering of their victims. As bad as gun violence is, guns can only kill within line of sight and one at a time. Chemical weapons has a much greater potential for indiscriminate killing. Also there is no way to stop it once released. Biological weapons are self-reproducing with no theoretical limit to their damage. And we know what nukes can do.

So, no, even a full-auto AK47 is not a weapon of mass destruction.

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #46)

Sun May 12, 2013, 08:58 AM

112. You would not be saying this stuff if it was You and your that was being attacked

The dog had killed, if I remember 3 other dogs and came after BWB.

Put in all the facts of the incident in your post and stop misleading people. The way you are going about this gives those that want tougher gun control look just like the NRA paints us as. So STOP IT!

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #114)

Sun May 12, 2013, 09:17 AM

116. Animal Control in many parts of the country would come out and shoot it.

Many county's will not risk it with reports of the animal in question already killing other animals and attacking a person


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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:41 AM

51. Sounds good to me

but nobody's going to listen to me, either.

That's the problem, we've got too many people in Congress who preen and posture just to get campaign contributions, junkets, and other bribes from organizations that don't have the US's best interest at heart.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:22 AM

68. A one sided deal is not a compromise

Yet I agree except for registration and ballistics. Logistically near impossible and return on investment is marginal.

I love dogs more than many people. It sounds like there were mitigating circumstances to taking direct action. I will not cast the first nor any other stone as I was not in your place.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:32 AM

70. Would this involve police coming into your home to enforce these laws?

You haven't really thought this out, have you? People can easily hide guns, for one thing. For another thing, enforcement of all these laws would be impossible, so useless. Third...a nat'l registry? Seriously? Of all the millions of guns sold in the past here? People won't do it, and unless the police go into our homes and search them, those guns won't be on the nat'l registry. Finally, criminals won't participate.

Oh, and those fees and licenses? Are you meaning that only people with means can have guns? Since, you know, poor people can't pay fees and licenses.

Guns are not cars. I wish people would quit trying to compare the two.

Then, consider this. If we start charging fees to citizens for their consitutional rights, what next? A fee to vote? A test to ensure that you know enough about current events to vote? A fee to speak freely?

I don't know the answer, but I know what's not the answer, when I see it.

Country folks have guns. Some people can't grasp that. They'll go through background check, but they won't pay an annual fee for the right to have their gun. And they'll be dead set against a nat'l registry of people exercising their constitional rights. And all these fees and rules won't have any effect on mass killings. Those evil people will still get their guns through the black market. If they can't get guns, they'll make bombs, as we've seen.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:48 AM

77. The governmemt does not

 

force car owners to get a license.

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #77)

Sun May 12, 2013, 03:31 AM

97. sure

 

you can ride a bus or a bike if you so choose or if that is a better choice for your area. I never owned a car when I lived in San Francisco, and rode a bike a lot.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:49 AM

79. 100% background checks for ALL transfers. I'm on board with that. Forget ballistics testing.

 

Ballistics testing for over 300,000,000 guns, minus shotguns? Not feasible. I WOULD go so far though as to require gun manufacturers to test fire weapons for the purpose of providing ballistic samples of newly manufactured guns.

Licensing for NEW purchases I'm on board with... I don't think you're going to get licensing for people who already own guns.

Safe storage of guns can only be forced by enacting MANDATORY SEVERE penalties for accidents involving guns not safely stored. No more non-punishment of parents because the loss of a child is punishment enough etc... Put that idea to bed.

That said... A dog that's already killed three other neighborhood dogs should have been put down before it attacked your dog and then you as well. The ONLY problem I have with killing it (I searched for and read the original thread and should be SHOCKED by those who trash you and didn't, but I'm not) is that it seems possible you shot it while still angry over being bitten. That's not a good thing, IMO. I would have waited until I was no longer angry, and offered to shoot it. If refused, I would have done everything I could to have it removed from the neighborhood by whatever means necessary.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2013, 03:45 AM

98. also a gun owner. completely agree. nt

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2013, 03:46 AM

99. Good luck with that

 

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2013, 06:55 AM

105. Sounds great to me.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2013, 07:07 AM

106. Thanks, BWB, good post. This gun owner supports 100% background checks, limited magazines ...

 

... and other restrictions on "firepower".

Psych testing for gun owners is also a good idea.

Unfortunate that the haters on this site found your thread. Sad to see that their attacks were allowed to stand.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2013, 08:08 AM

109. Gun compromise sounds good to me

But dude, put the dog dude on full ignore. I say that as someone who has never used the ignore feature. He just follows you around trolling you. You answer back with your credentials and the story. Forget it, he's never going away. Please, for other DU member's sake, just put him on ignore and stop responding to him.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2013, 09:04 AM

113. I could back this.

I'm not a fan of guns in any sense, but I could back this.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2013, 09:25 AM

117. A very good start.

Which can be tweaked as the effects start to show in the gun violence numbers after implementing.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2013, 09:43 AM

118. Agree with background checks and registry.

Ballistic tests and safes are probably not feasible or practical. Instead of making individuals "safe" their weapons, increase penalties for allowing unauthorized access where crimes are committed. Also increase requirements for dealers to "safe" their inventory and provide reporting of inventory and transactions daily, in the same manner that abortion clinics are being legislated out of existence by hallway widths and water fountains. Use sliding scales for transfer fees, with draconian increases for magazine capacity, so as not to infringe on ownership and self defense rights, while providing for societies' needs, the same as gas guzzler taxes. Make gun "culture" unprofitable.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2013, 09:44 AM

119. Sensible

They are at least as dangerous as cars and smaller and easier to carry around. I don't see any problem regulating them.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2013, 09:51 AM

120. No

I can not agree with any of this nonsense. I believe some is unenforceable, too costly, and some a violation of our constitutional rights. If I want to loan a firearm to my wife, girlfriend, boyfriend, husband, son, daughter, whichever applies, I can't agree with a background check for that issue.

If someone breaks into our home, does each individual in the house need to get a background check before they can use one firearm in the house to protect the rest, or does each have to have their own firearm?

Plus, I don't see any compromise. What are the anti-gun nuts going to give up so it can be a compromise?

I am just as much pro-gun as some are pro abortion. It is a right and I don't break laws or hurt innocent people.

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Response to Daninmo (Reply #120)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:41 PM

127. Yeah, but you aren't willing to do things to keep others from hurting innocent people.


Zimmerman thought he was a responsible gun owner too, right before he shot an unarmed teen.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #127)

Sun May 12, 2013, 03:01 PM

129. That is too broad of a statement

I don't believe in punishing the masses because of a few. That doesn't apply only to firearms either. There always seems to be some crazies with any subject.

You and I probably won't change each others opinion on the firearms issue, I believe our minds are set on the matter.



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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2013, 10:52 AM

123. I am a gun owner who agrees with you 100%

rec

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2013, 01:05 PM

125. how do you access them in a second

if they're truly stored securely?

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2013, 02:10 PM

128. Common Sense

How refreshing!

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2013, 08:23 PM

131. I'll throw in my two cents

Okay with the background checks, licensing, and testing. Agree with the others who say the the ballistics would be a waste of money due to the signature changing through normal use at the range. On the fence when it comes to registration, needs some sort of provision where an owner of a legal firearm is fully compensated at current market value if the government decides to enact another ban and they need to turn their weapon in, no $200 gift card for a $1,200 rifle, that would not be fair. And if there is to be magazine restrictions as others have mentioned, I think it should be higher than 10 rounds due to accuracy dropping dramatically in high stress situations such as home defense. Look at the accuracy reports for LEOs in those situations, it can be as low as 34%. I don't think homeowners should be held to a higher standard than those trained to protect the community. I would be okay with a 20-25 round limit in the case of multiple assailants who might need two to three rounds apiece to subdue.

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