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Wed May 8, 2013, 09:30 AM

 

It's official: Almost half the country is stupid.

Now we can combine all the 'stupid' threads into one and acknowledge that while some states may be stupider than others, as a whole, almost half of our country is stupid. They are distributed throughout all 50 states.

They vote against their own best interests, they think the Earth is 5000 yrs old, believe Glenn Beck is the Messiah, call themselves "pro-life" while executing inmates, cutting food-aid and healthcare to struggling families, & sending kids to war. They believe freedom means free to trash the environment, be a bigot, oppress others, and let people suffer without Govt assistance.

They think education and science is a Liberal conspiracy, they have a rabid disdain for facts, logic, and reasoning, they believe the only way to help the middle class is to give rich people more money. They believe workers rights is communism and income inequality is capitalism.

They believe poor people are destroying society even though no poor person has ever outsourced US jobs or caused a global financial collapse, rich people did that. They think we should cut social welfare for struggling kids & families even though we spend double on corporate welfare for extremely profitable billion dollar corporations than we do on social welfare.

They believe homosexuals will destroy the sanctity of marriage while they themselves are on their 4th marriage. They believe a women's right to choose is wrong yet they try to make society a terrible place to raise a child for poor people. They believe everyone should have guns but healthcare should be limited. They would rather drop bombs on other countries than drop food on ours. They believe in "small Govt" unless that Govt is wiretapping its citizens, drug testing its citizens, executing inmates, oppressing minorities, starting wars on every continent, and handing out corporate subsidies.

Etc.

Etc.

Etc.

So yes, almost half the country is stupid. They're called Conservatives.

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Reply It's official: Almost half the country is stupid. (Original post)
JaneyVee May 2013 OP
Zorra May 2013 #1
RC May 2013 #4
undergroundpanther May 2013 #96
newfie11 May 2013 #2
ReRe May 2013 #21
CincyDem May 2013 #38
cheapdate May 2013 #88
starzdust22 May 2013 #105
grasswire May 2013 #106
amerciti001 May 2013 #44
Name removed May 2013 #68
hrmjustin May 2013 #71
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hrmjustin May 2013 #74
uppityperson May 2013 #80
freshwest May 2013 #89
TeamPooka May 2013 #76
uppityperson May 2013 #82
hrmjustin May 2013 #83
uppityperson May 2013 #84
hrmjustin May 2013 #85
dotymed May 2013 #3
davidthegnome May 2013 #5
Jackpine Radical May 2013 #7
JDPriestly May 2013 #32
mountain grammy May 2013 #53
JDPriestly May 2013 #55
Ikonoklast May 2013 #64
mountain grammy May 2013 #100
Volaris May 2013 #59
paleotn May 2013 #61
mountain grammy May 2013 #6
navarth May 2013 #8
mountain grammy May 2013 #10
amerciti001 May 2013 #43
DFW May 2013 #9
go west young man May 2013 #11
bullwinkle428 May 2013 #14
DFW May 2013 #29
RVN VET May 2013 #23
DFW May 2013 #31
Zorra May 2013 #26
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JDPriestly May 2013 #34
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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 09:44 AM

1. "They're called Conservatives." That's it.

Since we can't fix teh stupid, seems to me we have to figure out the best way to work around it in order to limit the damage from teh stupid, and then put in safeguards to protect us from teh stupid.



Elizabeth Warren for President, 2016. Genuine Democratic Party veto power.

For example, a real Democrat in the White House can singlehandedly prevent any further cuts to Social Security during her tenure.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #1)

Wed May 8, 2013, 10:16 AM

4. "They're called Conservatives, Republicans, Libertarians 3rd Way, Blue Dogs, DLC*, etc."

 

* The DLC has taken over the Democratic Party. The leadership are all Right of Center.

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Response to RC (Reply #4)

Wed May 8, 2013, 11:12 PM

96. K.nR that times a billion!

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 10:04 AM

2. Thank you for laying it all out

Now if only the stupids would read this. We know the answer to that!

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Response to newfie11 (Reply #2)

Wed May 8, 2013, 11:53 AM

21. Most of them don't read.

Education is what they need. Education is the key that could open their minds. But they hate education and despise anyone who is educated.

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Response to ReRe (Reply #21)

Wed May 8, 2013, 12:48 PM

38. Intellectually lazy, that's for sure.

We've created this icon for social programs in America that started with Reagan's "welfare queen" (boy, he could turn a phrase, eh?). At it's core, a key attribute is that they are participating in the country's social safety net because they are LAZY.

They're too lazy to go out and get a job ('cuz you know there's just so many empty positions waiting to be filled).
They're too lazy to get up off of their couches and leave their video games behind.
They're too lazy to show up for whatever job they did have before they got fired.

What's getting missed in all this is that all that physically lazy stuff - true or not (we don't have to argue with that) - doesn't matter when compared to the intellectually lazy that the political right is instilling in this country.

You don't like science and all it's facts...that's ok...we have the opinion of creationism...much easier for your lazy mind.
You don't like climate change and all it's facts...that's ok...we have the opinion of left wing conspiracy...and besides...it's snowing out.
You don't like wealth redistribution and all it's fact...that's ok...we have the opinion that your real enemy isn't the top 1%...it's the bottom 25% and if you could just demolish them a little more your life will be ok.

There are so many facts available in these discussions but they require some semblance of reasonable intellect, thought, and logic. As long as you think the world is 5000 years old and women have some voodoo mind-control over their reproductive system - you can't sit at the table and have a conversation about facts. I don't even care if you agree, at least start with the facts. I'm convinced that if Obama stood up at the State of the Union with a gavel in his hand and said "sure as I drop this it will hit the floor" - the right would assert that the muslin president was forcing us to follow laws not enumerated by the founders. Yeah - they left gravity out.

And it's much easier to dumb down America to their level than it is for them to rise up to America's past intellectual capability. Sheesh guys - this is the county that put a man on the moon (and brought them back) using less computer capability than what's available today on the cheapest iPhone. You had people who could to it and you had leaders that understood what smart could accomplish.

The reason intellectually lazy is so much more damaging then physical lazy --- the first becomes hereditary and can continue for generations. Once stupid infects the gene pool to some tipping point, we're f*ed.

To be clear, a lot of kids (including my own) are smarter than their parents. I think that's because many parents know what they don't know and they don't confuse fact with opinion. This confusion is what I mean when I say "the stupid".

Sorry - long day already dealing with the stupid.



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Response to CincyDem (Reply #38)

Wed May 8, 2013, 10:30 PM

88. The founding fathers were extraordinarily intellectual.

They highly valued education and reason.

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Response to CincyDem (Reply #38)

Thu May 9, 2013, 01:36 AM

105. It's really a shame...

 

...a shame that it doesn't appear that I will pass my DNA into future generations, well at least not yet...

I did that education thing, got an AA, BS, MA, MS and near a PhD. I've taught geology and astronomy for 35 years. Had several relationships and wanted to get married and have a family, but no joy on either.

With my current ailments had to retire. What do I have to show for all that education, nothing, that's right, nothing, no home (other than my travel trailer), a RAM truck and a few small telescopes. That's about it. Oh, I do have SSDI and a small pension to live on as I can not work anymore. Boy what a great catch, uh?

Apparently I was not sufficiently smart enough to invest my largess over the years of working as an educator to make me rich. Oh, that's right I barely made enough for the basics of life, let alone make investments.

Here's a bit of advice for anyone pondering becoming an educator, don't do it.

I remember that while graduating with my first Masters degree (in education) my roommate at the time also graduating, but with a Masters of Business Administration started out mid $35K with IBM, while I started out my first teaching assignment at $10,200. This was back in 1978. He quickly rose into six figures while it took me 25 years just to break $50,000

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Response to starzdust22 (Reply #105)

Thu May 9, 2013, 01:48 AM

106. welcome to DU, and thanks for a really interesting post.

Someone's got to teach, though!

Thank you for your sacrifice to America's youth. Seriously.

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Response to ReRe (Reply #21)

Wed May 8, 2013, 02:48 PM

44. If only they had a mind...

To have a -MIND- means that you already know how to THINK. So, that means that you have had to have some form of a formal Education to have a MIND in order to THINK. Yes, they hate Education, because it expose them for what they really are- a bunch of dumb asses!!

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Wed May 8, 2013, 08:24 PM

71. Welcome to DU my friend!

 

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Wed May 8, 2013, 08:36 PM

74. Glad to have you aboard!

 

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Response to Name removed (Reply #73)

Wed May 8, 2013, 08:47 PM

80. Hey there, how's winter coming along?

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #80)

Wed May 8, 2013, 10:52 PM

89. Looks like MIRT rolled up the welcome mat, LOL.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #68)

Wed May 8, 2013, 08:39 PM

76. you joined just to point out grammar mistakes?

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #76)

Wed May 8, 2013, 08:48 PM

82. It's an old "friend" from Chicago. Banned again. Tiny tear.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #82)

Wed May 8, 2013, 08:51 PM

83. Another welcome of mine gone bad. Thats ok most go OK.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #83)

Wed May 8, 2013, 08:56 PM

84. I like your welcoming newbies, it is really nice of you to do that.

Sometimes they will be a troll or zombie, and in this case it was obvious who she was. But keep welcoming people, it is very nice of you to do that and when I see someone without a welcome from you, wonder what happened.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #84)

Wed May 8, 2013, 09:00 PM

85. Sometimes I miss them because I get distracted. Sometimes I welcome them

 

after they make several posts. Most of the time it has nothing to do with them it is I got distracted.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 10:12 AM

3. Ironically

many uneducated people who believe they are progressive (they smoke pot, etc..) hold these same beliefs. They heard it on tee vee.
Sadly, I think it is well over half, due to ignorance.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 10:21 AM

5. Good rant.

I must disagree with you on one point though. Way more than half the Country is stupid. The majority of the stupid (and a fair number of intelligent people) just don't vote. It is as dumb to refrain from voting as it is to support conservative policies that are ignorant, shallow, and against our best interests.

A fair number of democrats, also, are becoming further right with every passing year, they are not so much democrats anymore as they are moderate republicans. I'm not sure how the alternate reality, delusional views of the right-wing dip-shits came to be so popular within our own party, but it has happened.

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Response to davidthegnome (Reply #5)

Wed May 8, 2013, 10:34 AM

7. It happened when the Dems decided the only way to stay competitive

was to get pragmatic and go for the big corporate bucks. They created something called the DLC.

Funny thing about that--you have to toe the corporate line in order to keep those bucks coming.

And they've been doing that ever since.

The corporations, in turn, have found it useful to have a few "useful fools" around to play off against the Republicans.

Everything that you don't like about today's Democratic Party, from NAFTA to privatized education to climate change paralysis to the wars to the Chained CPI, descends from the "pragmatism" of that original clot of colluding connivers.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #7)

Wed May 8, 2013, 12:32 PM

32. It happened when Reagan broke the air traffic controllers' union, and the other union

leaders didn't call a general strike. It might have been illegal to call a general strike, but it would have been the only way to hold fast to the union movement and determine the future of the Democratic Party.

As it is, the Democratic Party is a disorganized array of non-conservatives of all persuasions. Not really a party at all. Just a last resort for those with a speck of idealism still left in them. That is the real reason that, even with what looks like a majority in the Senate, the Democrats can't seem to get that old mo-jo workin'.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #32)

Wed May 8, 2013, 05:34 PM

53. Reagan lied to the unions, but some bought it.. Teamsters even endorsed Ronnie

and other airline unions wouldn't honor the PATCO strike. United we bargain, divided we beg. Today, 30 years later, we beg.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #53)

Wed May 8, 2013, 05:55 PM

55. How right you are!

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #53)

Wed May 8, 2013, 07:43 PM

64. The Teamster leadership at that time was still all mobbed up.

That endorsement kept Justice off their asses, the rank and file be damned.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #64)

Thu May 9, 2013, 12:17 AM

100. Right, Jackie Presser was in deep. I've watched in horror over the years

as, so often, unions are their own worst enemy. In my own local, our Secretary/Treasurer was caught embezzeling union funds. Broke my heart and the anti union thugs had a field day.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #7)

Wed May 8, 2013, 06:16 PM

59. I tend to agree. With the GOP as dumb as they are now (they were NOT always so),

It would help greatly to have at at least ONE national-level party that embraces facts even if they lose National Elections. Stupid can only coast along on good looks or popular opinion for so long before they screw somethig up so bad the General Population will start looking for some other kind of answer. (For Reference, google THE ELECTION OF BARACK OBAMA, lol)

Even if the Dems were to lose some of those oh-so-important elections, EVENTUALLY, the country would get soooooo pissed at the incompotentcy fo the other side to actually govern and get anything done on their behalf, they would jsut start electing Dems out of protest. In other words:


"It's not the fights we lose that bother me. It's the ones we never bother to suit up for."--Toby Zeigler

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #7)

Wed May 8, 2013, 06:29 PM

61. I couldn't agree more.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 10:31 AM

6. "While not all conservatives are stupid people, most stupid people are conservative"

Not sure where this quote came from, but it hits it.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #6)

Wed May 8, 2013, 10:42 AM

8. John Stuart Mill. nt

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Response to navarth (Reply #8)

Wed May 8, 2013, 10:54 AM

10. Thanks.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #6)

Wed May 8, 2013, 02:37 PM

43. Don't worry where it came from...

Your point is that most "stupid" people do tend to have a "conservative" bent in their thinking. Case in point; while sitting in a McDonald's trying to enjoy a sausage biscuit and hash brown, there where two womens sitting not far away having "bible study" and was expressing there views to verses that they were "studying?", when one expressed her view on science and how those people that believed in "science" were very much"ungodly" ok), and they both made statements that showed that they were either out of touch or just plain stupid!?, and all of it had that mean "conservative" narrative.

Well, after sitting not that far away, over hearing this ranting based on biblical discourse ( amazing), I decided that I had enough of the ignorant talk, and simply got up and left, wrapping the remains of my food back into the bag, to take with me and enjoy elsewhere.
I gave it some thought and was surprised that either of them could read.

About a week later, at this same McDonald's, I was at the counter ordering when I noticed to (white) women standing at the door and realized it was those same two from about a week earlier, I had this order to go.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 10:49 AM

9. They may be CALLED "conservatives," mostly by themselves and their media. They are no such thing.

Reactionaries, right-wing radicals, zealots, or just plain stupid. But they are NOT conservative.

Conservative (as defined by Webster, not Roger Ailes or Frank Luntz) means " marked by moderation or caution," among its most straightforward definitions. Or, even, "tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions."

Today's Republicans don't want to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions. They want to tear them down and build new ones to their liking (i.e. control being in their hands alone). And considering the radical approach to politics shown by the likes of Ted Cruz, Louie Gohmert, Michele Bachmann, Rand Paul et el, they have no use for moderation or caution.

I'll give you an example of a real conservative. That's someone who is still happily married to his first and only wife. That's someone who is reluctant to take on debts for stuff he doesn't have. That's someone who still is working with his first and only employer. That's someone who has managed to raise normal, independent, educated and self-supporting children. That's someone who has no use for addictive drugs, including alcohol or nicotine. That's someone who values intelligence and education without the intrusion of religion. That's someone who is interested in preserving our environment long term, rather than destroying it for short-term selfish gain. In other words, that's me.

But I'm no Republican. I hope I'm not stupid. I'm sure as hell nothing like the idiots running around calling themselves "conservatives," when all they are is greedy, selfish, insecure, and so full of hate they think children express themselves as well with firearms as with a keyboard.

They can CALL themselves conservative, but it doesn't make them so. They can wade into the ocean and call themselves fish, too. They still won't sprout gills.

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Response to DFW (Reply #9)

Wed May 8, 2013, 10:59 AM

11. Great post.

 

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Response to DFW (Reply #9)

Wed May 8, 2013, 11:10 AM

14. Damn! You nailed me with your "real conservative" description! However, just like

you, there's not enough money in the world that would get me to support the cabal of clowns who currently label themselves as such. I don't have kids, and enjoy drinking on a VERY moderate level, but other than that, it's like you've been monitoring me ala Jim Carrey's "The Truman Show"!

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Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #14)

Wed May 8, 2013, 12:30 PM

29. I'm just sick and tired of being told that I should vote for a lie

They just try to assume that people like you and I should hate and fear people who aren't, while we should not vote for Democrats because they're all like David Vitter, Larry Craig and Mark Sanford. They're banking on people being too stupid to know the difference, and the size of their advertising budget hints that they know it's an uphill battle.

Talk about violations of the Truth in Advertising law!

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Response to DFW (Reply #9)

Wed May 8, 2013, 12:14 PM

23. Right on, man

I think a true Conservative would have no toleration for lying anti-intellectuals who want to destroy, not maintain, the institutions of government that guarantee rights and freedoms.

That said, there are no true Conservatives in the Republican Party. None. Nada. Not one. Some Repubs used to be Conservatives, but they've all long since whored themselves to the Teaparty lowlifes who are running the GOP into oblivion.

I gave up on the GOP back when St. Ronnie Pureheart was blaming trees for atmospheric pollution, calling catsup a vegetable, and telling Nancy that people dying from AIDS brought it on themselves and deserve neither sympathy nor help. I thought Reagan was the nadir, that it could get no worse. How wrong I was.

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Response to RVN VET (Reply #23)

Wed May 8, 2013, 12:31 PM

31. St. Ronnie was a rank amateur compared to today's bunch

If only he knew.

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Response to DFW (Reply #9)

Wed May 8, 2013, 12:21 PM

26. But that description has absolutely nothing to do with being a political conservative.

"I'll give you an example of a real conservative. That's someone who is still happily married to his first and only wife. That's someone who is reluctant to take on debts for stuff he doesn't have. That's someone who still is working with his first and only employer. That's someone who has managed to raise normal, independent, educated and self-supporting children. That's someone who has no use for addictive drugs, including alcohol or nicotine. That's someone who values intelligence and education without the intrusion of religion. That's someone who is interested in preserving our environment long term, rather than destroying it for short-term selfish gain. In other words, that's me."


That just means you are a reasonably intelligent, conscientious, sober, and ethical human being. If you would add to that paragraph and say that you are averse to change, that would much more serve to qualify you as conservative. But you can define yourself however you desire, I totally honor and support that, from my perspective as a liberal progressive leftist pinko radical.

Researchers help define what makes a political conservative

BERKELEY – Politically conservative agendas may range from supporting the Vietnam War to upholding traditional moral and religious values to opposing welfare. But are there consistent underlying motivations?

Four researchers who culled through 50 years of research literature about the psychology of conservatism report that at the core of political conservatism is the resistance to change and a tolerance for inequality, and that some of the common psychological factors linked to political conservatism include:

Fear and aggression
Dogmatism and intolerance of ambiguity
Uncertainty avoidance
Need for cognitive closure
Terror management

"From our perspective, these psychological factors are capable of contributing to the adoption of conservative ideological contents, either independently or in combination," the researchers wrote in an article, "Political Conservatism as Motivated Social Cognition," recently published in the American Psychological Association's Psychological Bulletin.


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Response to Zorra (Reply #26)

Wed May 8, 2013, 12:47 PM

37. You have a point, but I think "politically conservative" is a made-up concept anyway

First of all I'm anything but averse to change. I just think change has to be thought out before it occurs in order to optimize it and benefit a maximum of the population, i.e. yes to Sweden after Ådalen but no to Iran after 1979.

As for your citing, I see a significant part left unmentioned:

.....some of the common psychological factors linked to political conservatism include:

Fear and aggression
Dogmatism and intolerance of ambiguity
Uncertainty avoidance
Need for cognitive closure
Terror management

Linked by WHOM? I was always explained in my history classes that this is the very definition of a reactionary. Pre-Goldwater, they were concepts independent of the notion of "conservative." I see a decades-long successful advertising campaign, much like those of the tobacco industry or Coca-Cola. People still smoke a lot, but tobacco smoke still stinks and still kills many who use it. Coke still makes you fat if drunk in the quantities the Coca-Cola company would prefer, but plenty still do, especially in the South, from whence I hail. The Republican Party does indeed embrace fear, aggression, intolerance and the rest. But that is only "conservatism" in the sense that they and their media outlets call it that, and then try to make it out as if those ugly traits are the real meaning of apple pie and the stars and stripes. I never bought that tobacco smoke did anything other than stink--much like the Republican Party and their scare tactics. How that fits in with the notion of "conservative" still escapes me, other than their false labeling.

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Response to DFW (Reply #9)

Wed May 8, 2013, 12:37 PM

34. Fortunately, not still with my first employer, but you are pretty right about this:

This describes a lot of very "liberal," "progressive," whatever you want to call them, Democrats I know:

I'll give you an example of a real conservative. That's someone who is still happily married to his first and only wife. That's someone who is reluctant to take on debts for stuff he doesn't have. That's someone who still is working with his first and only employer. That's someone who has managed to raise normal, independent, educated and self-supporting children. That's someone who has no use for addictive drugs, including alcohol or nicotine. That's someone who values intelligence and education without the intrusion of religion. That's someone who is interested in preserving our environment long term, rather than destroying it for short-term selfish gain. In other words, that's me.

Some are active in their religion. Some are not. But they all do the best they can in their lives to live good lives. But these conservatives understand that the opposite of government is not the Republican Party. The opposite of government is anarchy and chaos. And since government costs money (just like paying your debts and taking care of your children do), we have to pay taxes and we want to pay our fair share of taxes.

That's the difference.

Just checked, and it seems that according to one study, Democratic states do have a lower divorce rate than Republican ones and Democrats marry later than do Republicans. The website uses Democrat as an adjective, so I don't think it is biased toward Democrats.

http://divorce.lovetoknow.com/Divorce_Statistics_Republicans_vs._Democrats

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #34)

Wed May 8, 2013, 12:55 PM

40. Interesting statistic, but not surprising

It just goes back to what I said about one definition of conservative being moderately cautious. In finding the right partner, that means waiting to find out if you think he or she is REALLY the right one before marrying. Democrats divorce less? So they are conservative about jumping into marriage. Good for us! Republicans are the radicals here. They claim (falsely, but what else is new) that it is virtuous to wait until marriage before having sex. Enough of them apparently do, marry the wrong partner and get divorced. WTF did they expect?

Here's a fabulous first-hand of what misery that brings: http://www.alternet.org/sex-amp-relationships/my-big-virginity-mistake?akid=10410.222853.O9dCV0&rd=1&src=newsletter836553&t=6

As for me, I wasn't looking for clones Just my bumbling attempt at making a point.

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Response to DFW (Reply #40)

Wed May 8, 2013, 03:41 PM

49. But you see how many of us are like you -- personally conservative, but socially liberal.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #49)

Wed May 8, 2013, 05:59 PM

56. Indeed

Republicans don't get that people who care about education, foreign relations, working people, and those less fortunate than themselves are not all penniless hippies with Che Guevara hats, and militant Muslim vegans wanting to tear down society while living off of welfare. It bewilders them that we care more about strangers than they care about their children, although considering the way that many of them treat their children, that's not necessarily saying much.

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Response to DFW (Reply #40)

Wed May 8, 2013, 04:08 PM

51. Just read that article yesterday

She wrote very well and explained herself nicely. Usually the comments at Alternet are reasonable but she got some unfair remarks on that piece. She grew up in the South and got that kind of teaching. But she broke away luckily and reclaimed her life.

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Response to DFW (Reply #9)

Wed May 8, 2013, 02:54 PM

45. Bingo

not conservative but radical cultists IMO

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Response to DFW (Reply #9)

Wed May 8, 2013, 11:10 PM

95. exactly... they are not conservative

 

but the BS media keeps the narrative that they are to sucker more fools who know no better. I know conservatives, and they agree with most of my so-called liberal views. The media along with think tanks are working for their owners' interests by dividing and conquering. Time for true liberals and true consevatives to stand together.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 10:59 AM

12. +1

Well said

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 11:01 AM

13. What a great summary

 

Inflammatory only if you have less than half a brain.

Broadbrush smears are one thing, but accurate broadbrush smears is the paradox you sadly demonstrated.

I certainly hope it is temporary insanity, you can't fix stupid

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 11:24 AM

15. + 1,000,000 - Thanks For Sharing

eom

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 11:28 AM

16. All of this

All of this is the result of 30 years of constant dumbing down people and turning the media as a watchdog on the government and corporations to its stenographer. Never I have seen a group of people who are proud to be very ignorant and wear it as a badge of honor. Its very alarming!

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Response to BDavinciNY (Reply #16)

Wed May 8, 2013, 12:34 PM

33. That is similar

to my take on it.

The question of whether the people are inherently, intellectually incapable of comprehending complex issues, or if the system and environment play a significant part in it.

Intellectual elitism and using derogatory terms like "dumb" are not going to help fix the problem at all. In fact, they only serve to strengthen the bifurcation and disdain.

I would prefer to start with terms like, poorly educated, misinformed, naive, confused, unmotivated, deliberately manipulated, etc. Those are all fixable problems, but assumptions that the problem is about the capacity of such a large number of beings to learn and grow do not hold ground with me and offer nothing but a snubbed nose at our fellows.

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Response to BDavinciNY (Reply #16)

Wed May 8, 2013, 10:54 PM

91. Never I have seen a group of people who are proud to be very ignorant and wear it as a badge of hono

Never have I heard this put so well.
My older brother stuck his fingers in his ears and began humming rather than engage in a discussion that might challenge his make believe conservative dogma...

In the state where I live (the state of disbelief, aka Utah), there is a continuing, near head in the sand self-disillusionment that the history of this country ended in 1956. That was a time before the "one side takes all" politics ruled. When getting reelected was less important than caring about others who sent you to Washington. When the ability to watch out for everyone you represented was more than just a talking point.

If you haven't been up and close with a politician lately I would encourage you to get involved. Creepy is even creepier up close...

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Response to BDavinciNY (Reply #16)

Wed May 8, 2013, 10:56 PM

92. Never I have seen a group of people so proud to be very ignorant and wear it as a badge of honor...

Never have I heard this put so well.
My older brother stuck his fingers in his ears and began humming rather than engage in a discussion that might challenge his make believe conservative dogma...

In the state where I live (the state of disbelief, aka Utah), there is a continuing, near head in the sand self-disillusionment that the history of this country ended in 1956. That was a time before the "one side takes all" politics ruled. When getting reelected was less important than caring about others who sent you to Washington. When the ability to watch out for everyone you represented was more than just a talking point.

If you haven't been up and close with a politician lately I would encourage you to get involved. Creepy is even creepier up close...

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 11:28 AM

17. baka

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #17)

Wed May 8, 2013, 12:15 PM

24. Hai!

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Response to JHB (Reply #24)

Wed May 8, 2013, 03:43 PM

50. Great signature line, JHB.

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #17)

Wed May 8, 2013, 07:13 PM

62. Wakaranai!

Boku wa gaijin desu......

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Response to DFW (Reply #62)

Wed May 8, 2013, 08:02 PM

67. Doshite?

there is English translation sub titles in this video. Did you not see them?

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #67)

Thu May 9, 2013, 04:29 AM

110. I did, but they were not well defined and went by quickly

My nihongo obviously needs some improvement.

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Response to DFW (Reply #110)

Thu May 9, 2013, 04:41 AM

111. You can do what i do...

Stop the video to read the lyrics if it goes by too fast. I do that all the time on movies... someone speaking too fast, whoa!! What did he say? Roll it back, check it out.

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #111)

Thu May 9, 2013, 06:05 AM

114. So much effort!

"Baka, baka" I got the idea. Besides, I didn't want to let my Yaki Tori and O cha get cold.....

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 11:36 AM

18. Couldn't agree more!

Unfortunately I was born in the Southeast, but was fortunate enough to move away at an early age and see that the rest of the country isn’t filled with these ignorant, inbred, bible thumping, gay bashing, right wing fanatics who worship the Faux News propaganda channel.
Sadly though, I was recently transferred to Southwest Tennessee temporarily with my with my current employer and am now stuck in the middle of bigotryville once again. All I can say is WOW! The mindset and mentality of the majority here is astounding and truly sad. Although I am the minority here because I favor rational thought, science, education, Physical fitness, morality, and the environment, I recently decided to openly engage in a conversation with one of the local yokels only to realize what a lost cause it was. His explanation and justification for the ignorance and blatant refusal to progress as a species here was due to years of culture and tradition. Slavery was once a part of Southern culture but fortunately the influence of intellectual and truly moral people came into play. Three months here feels like a prison sentence and I cannot wait to get home where I can once again engage in conversation decent, intelligent, human beings. For now however, I’ll have to settle for, Jesus, Deer Hunting, Nascar, and these fine upstanding, wife beating, alcoholic, red neck, right wingers.

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Response to Scubapro34 (Reply #18)

Wed May 8, 2013, 12:28 PM

28. Well said...

and welcome to Democratic Underground. Sounds as though you're going to be a valued member. Take care!

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Response to Scubapro34 (Reply #18)

Wed May 8, 2013, 03:31 PM

48. Welcome to DU my friend!

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 11:38 AM

19. Well said, and I totally agree

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 11:39 AM

20. Outstanding!

You raise the central question in our dilemma: How can we open, let alone change, the conservative mind?

It is a small, frightened place, made all the more cowardly by inbreeding.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 12:13 PM

22. Actually more like 1/2 the country is stupid. 26% are incredibly stupid.

The 26% are the people that supported George Bush when he left office. And people who continue to elect douchebag Senators like Rand Paul and Mark Sanford.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 12:19 PM

25. I disagree.

 

I think it's more than half.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #25)

Wed May 8, 2013, 10:54 PM

90. The rest will have to fake stupidity to get along with them...

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 12:22 PM

27. I've been politically active since the early 60s and have know this since then

But FINALLY, believe it or not, I see the end of Conservatism coming. It's a number of years away, but is't the first time in 50 years of political activity that I've seen it.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 12:30 PM

30. Agree that 1/2 the country is stupid, but can't broadbrush it to conservatives only...

I know plenty of very stupid liberal Democrats (some of them in my own family), and work and have friendships with some brilliant, reasonable, logical conservative republicans. The one thing I will say is, by the very nature of many of the policies the OP listed above, a stupid Democrat is far less harmful to society than a stupid republican/conservative.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 12:39 PM

35. Actually, it's prejudice and bigotry that fuel the ranks of the conservatives.

It's fear and hatred of people of color, of women, and people of a different sexual orientation. The smart conservatives or the 1% if you will, bait the prejudices of those people who hold these fears and hatreds and convince them that if they vote for them, their policies and actions against those brown people, women and homos won't be taking from them what they perceive are their rights and freedoms. It's why they can convince people that they have all the right answers no matter how twisted, nonsensical and perverse their logic is. Yes, it makes them seem stupid and I'm sure many of them are stupid, but if we don't really start working at changing peoples' prejudices, the snake oil salesmen will continue to succeed and profit, especially through their spokespeople, the RWing radio and TV hosts, such as Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck, the Fox News, the evangelical churches, the Sarah Palins, Ann Coulters et al.

If you can cut through peoples' prejudices then all the nonsense, code words and attacks on minorities won't work for the 1% anymore. Maybe by then we can be rid of them in our government once and for all. Our Democracy is supposed to be of the people, by the people and for the people and it can't be if we are still dividing the population into classes of those deserving and undeserving of the American dream.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #35)

Thu May 9, 2013, 11:27 AM

123. Which is why Repubs are a party with older, whiter demos

Those are typically the people in society that fear changes the most.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 12:45 PM

36. I've long lived my life on the simple premise that people are stupid...

and it's up to them to prove to me that they are not.

I have found with this very simple outlook, my life has become extraordinarily easier.

Cheers!

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 12:50 PM

39. Half the people in the country are below average.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #39)

Wed May 8, 2013, 01:55 PM

42. The average IQ of the "strongly Conservative" is 10 points lower than the average "strongly Liberal"

 

95 vs 105.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 01:50 PM

41. Remember

The Dumbing down of America?

It's paying off in spades now.

-p

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 03:10 PM

46. I always heard it phrased like this: "you know how dumb the average American is?"

Well, by definition, half of the country is dumber than that.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 03:21 PM

47. It's official:




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Response to ProSense (Reply #47)

Wed May 8, 2013, 07:51 PM

65. +1. There is no better illustration of teh stupid than that.

That says it all; the stunning epitome of American conservative idiocy ~ George W. Bush gets a second term.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 05:24 PM

52. Thx.

 

Conservatism is a scourge upon a healthy, functioning democracy.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 05:44 PM

54. "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid...

...but most stupid people are conservatives." -- John Stuart Mill

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 06:02 PM

57. Wrong. It's only 1/4 - half the people don't vote n/t

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 06:03 PM

58. I'm depressed that Americans are so dumb..

My mom and my husbands folks have told us stories of the depression and WWII. All non rich Americans voted for FDR. The country was political. People KNEW it was the rich banksters who were hurting them. Of course, it was mostly white Americans who enjoyed whatever freedoms America had to offer back then. But even poor, uneducated, racist white people understood; it was the banks and Wall Street that made them destitute and desperate.
Today, the non rich blame the mooslims, the black man in the White House, libruls, and anyone whose not "Christian" by their definition, for killing merica and letting homosexuals marry goats, and whatever else thier preacher tells them.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 06:25 PM

60. I saw a bumper sticker on a car today "I don't believe the liberal media"

And I thought to myself - "Good job dude, you are advertising to everyone in the world that you are a gullible idiot incapable of even simple reasoning."

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 07:34 PM

63. While it is fun to feel superior

I think that people are afraid. It has been years since I watched any part of fox news but their agenda is very clear. They find stories to tell that make people angry. Then they make them fearful. I think the Tea party is composed of Angry Fearful people. They just haven't figured out that their anger and fear is directed at the wrong people. Throw in a dash of bigotry and it is so easy to have all that anger directed towards THEM the Muslims the blacks the mexicans etc.

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Response to RunInCircles (Reply #63)

Wed May 8, 2013, 08:38 PM

75. People are afraid because they are stupid.

 

Or, they are bigots and their hate and fear are intricately entwined.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 08:01 PM

66. They hate big govt unless it supports Grandma, provides a farm subsidy,

or offers their college-age child a loan.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 08:05 PM

69. After living 71 years in this country

I am losing, lost? All respect for it, simple as that.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 08:06 PM

70. Except many of them are pretty smart

I have some pretty intelligent friends who are Conservatives. One Conservative friend is an Electrical Engineer. But he truly believes Obama is a Muslim from Kenya (not born in the US) out to destroy Israel.

He continually posts anti-Obama stuff on FaceBook. Most if not all of his BS is outlandish lies.

I just can't get for the life of me how someone who is so smart as an engineer can be so dumb when it comes to reality.

I think I'm pretty dumb as far as math and science even though I converted my Ford Escort to electric power. Alot of my Conservative friends are smarter than me. But they continuously spew anti-Obama stuff that is so wrong that I'm in complete bewilderment on how stupid they are when it comes to the facts. How can people so intelligent like that be so stupid?



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Response to rightsideout (Reply #70)

Wed May 8, 2013, 10:59 PM

93. news flash

they are not smarter than you.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 08:28 PM

72. Half are stupid, another quarter are ignorant or indifferent.

 

And then there is us. And half of us leave something to be desired.

Idiots rule!

http://m.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 08:39 PM

77. Far more than half the county is stupid. And most of the remaining are assholes.

 

Of course, most of the stupid ones are asses, too.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 08:41 PM

78. Yes, the stupid half will blame the dems and the president for their failures.

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 08:46 PM

79. Conservatives are just stupid. They are also mean. nt

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 08:48 PM

81. You summed it all up.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 10:05 PM

86. Official since at least 2004:

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 10:27 PM

87. A testament to the success

of Fox News.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 11:05 PM

94. Why right-wing radio is so successful

Because conservatives are self-centered, short-sighted, narcissistic, hypocritical, self-righteous, two-faced gasbags that not one of which has had an original thought since the Eisenhower era.

This is why right-wing radio personalities make so much money. Conservatives have to have their politics spoon fed to them every day or they know not what to say or do. Its a shame in this day and age and the readily availability of information that millions of people willfully dumb themselves down just so they can feel a false sense of superiority based on fantasy, contrivances and outright lies. Is truth, honesty, vision and integrity really that boring?

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 11:12 PM

97. time for true conservatives and true liberals to stand together

 

the media and party elites have been using the old "divide and conquer" tactic... enough is enough patriots!

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 11:39 PM

98. Excellent op, JaneyVee!

Should be a poster hung on walls everywhere. Seriously. Thank you!

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2013, 11:45 PM

99. Tigerram

They are also called RepUGLYcans.!!!!!

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 12:22 AM

101. What is new??

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 12:39 AM

102. Well, that's math

 

If we find a median level of intelligence, then it stands that almost exactly half the people in the country - indeed the world - will be below that level, i.e., "stupid."

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #102)

Thu May 9, 2013, 07:46 AM

116. yep-- that's what I was thinking!

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 12:48 AM

103. Great compilation!-short and "sweet".

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 12:51 AM

104. Now I wish someone would do a brief compilation of all their hypocrisies.

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 02:15 AM

107. There is no actual SATAN...

 

But in Conservatism, we have the equivalent.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 02:35 AM

108. I call them Conned. n/m

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 02:52 AM

109. I like the way

You laid it out. I feel the worst for liberals and progressives that are trapped in states that are solid red. Where they can't get a break from it.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 05:14 AM

112. Even with this obvious description

The 2016 Presidential race will be a close one, particularly if a likeable moderate is in the running eg; Chris Christy or Jeb Bush.
I dont get it its as if half the country have lost their minds..

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 05:20 AM

113. But I thought it was 80-20! Derp-da-derp-derp! nt

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 06:51 AM

115. March of the stupid people

or
March of a stupid people

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 07:48 AM

117. Technically, I wouldn't say they are all stupid

 

many are just "intellectually lazy". Though probably half of conservatives truly are stupid, i.e. low IQ.

What always amazes me are conservatives who act as they are so fucking smart, and act like conservatives are smarter than liberals or dumbocrats. But these people are generally impervious to rational arguments, in my experience.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 07:49 AM

118. Almost half? I'd say a bit more than that.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 08:14 AM

119. They're called Conservatives and NEOLIBERALS.

And a lot of those neoliberals are Democrats.

They think the 99% exist to enrich the 1%. They don't need a middle class. They don't need seniors. They just need a continuously expanding empire of greed.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 09:11 AM

120. I agree

 

totally.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 11:21 AM

121. You should gussed this up just a bit and sell it as a OpEd piece to every paper or magazine

that still takes the time to publish an opinion that doesn't come from the surreal world of professional opinion makers.

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Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 11:27 AM

122. I disagree. I don't think you can conclude this based on elections.

Barely half the country even votes. It's might be more accurate to say half the country is either apathetic or ignorant.

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