Should the sequestration be left in place to preserve the additional cuts to defense?

[ProSense]

The President's 2014 budget shows a decrease in the defense spending.

Throughout this year’s budget review, key determinations were made to achieve even more efficiencies, to establish more effective procurement reforms, and to initiate a review of compensation practices. All of those areas are part of our budget plan to achieve the $487 billion in savings from 2012 through 2021 to comply with the spending caps in the Budget Control Act (BCA) of 2011.

The FY 2014 Base Budget provides $526.6 billion, a reduction of $0.9 billion from the FY 2013 annualized continuing resolution level of $527.5 billion, and is consistent with Administration-wide efforts to make tough program choices within current funding constraints. This budget adjusts programs that develop and procure military equipment, re-sizes ground forces, slows the growth of compensation and benefit programs, continues to make better use of Defense resources by reducing lower priority programs, and makes more disciplined use of defense dollars.

http://comptroller.defense.gov/defbudget/fy2014/FY2014_Budget_Request_Overview_Book.pdf

The defense budget has gone down every year since 2012, a total of about $4 billion (http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2014/assets/defense.pdf) since then.

In fact, the defense budget, including war spending, has gone done drastically since President Obama took office. The drop is even more drastic if the sequestration is left in place.



http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/04/12/1861201/pentagon-cut-spending/

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[LostOne4Ever]

1. I would rather

I would rather focus on improving the economy than worrying about any type of spending cuts atm.

With our economy struggling the way it is you would have to have some sort of mental defect to want to cut spending. Which describes Paul Ryan and the Repugs perfectly

Besides, the only spending cuts the repugs would allow would be to cut solider benefits, as opposed to overpriced miscellaneous crap and un-needed tanks and weapons.

[ProSense]

2. Thanks for responding. n/t

[Bonobo]

3. You say the Defense budget has gone down drastically since Obama took office

This is patently untrue.

It is a complete falsehood.

[ProSense]

5. Bullshit, the chart in the OP is accurate. n/t

[Bonobo]

6. Did Obama's defense spending go down starting in 2008 or not?

You said it went down drastically since he took office in 2008.

Are you sticking with that or not?

[ProSense]

9. No,

"You said it went down drastically since he took office in 2008."

...it drop drastically, including war spending, since 2009. Obviously, you don't know when the President took office.

[Bonobo]

10. Was he President in 2011 when the budget was over 700 billion?

The highest ever?

[Bonobo]

8. It is hard to read that chart. SO answer the question.

Was Obama's 2011 defense budget higher than 2007?

Was 2011 over 700 billion (a new high) or not?

[ProSense]

11. Wait,

"Was Obama's 2997 defense budget higher than 2007? "

...what? You posted an obviously old chart showing estimates ending at 2011. The chart in the OP is actual through 2012.

[Bonobo]

13. .

[kentuck]

18. If the graph was in $10 billion dollars steps, instead of $250 billion increments...?

It would be much more graphic and telling.

[ProSense]

4. Kick for

who the hell needs facts?

[Bonobo]

7. Loose and easy with "facts" nt

[ProSense]

12. You have no idea what you're talking about.

You aren't posting any facts. Nonsensical comments aren't facts.

[Bonobo]

14. I posted charts. Those are not facts in your book?

"Obama's budget has gone down drastically since he took office."

THAT is what you said. And it is a fucking lie.

[ProSense]

15. Maybe the problem

"Obama's budget has gone down drastically since he took office."

THAT is what you said. And it is a fucking lie.

...is reading fucking comprehension. I said:

The defense budget has gone down every year since 2012, a total of about $4 billion (http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2014/assets/defense.pdf) since then.

In fact, the defense budget, including war spending, has gone done drastically since President Obama took office. The drop is even more drastic if the sequestration is left in place.

Those are facts. The budget has gone down since 2012, and it has drastically gone down, including war spending. since he took office



http://comptroller.defense.gov/defbudget/fy2014/FY2014_Budget_Request_Overview_Book.pdf

Make this easy for you:

FY 2008 (Oct 2007 to Sep 2008) - $665 billion
FY 2009 (Oct 2008 to Sep 2009) - $666 billion
FY 2010 (Oct 2009 to Sep 2010) - $691 billion
FY 2011 (Oct 2010 to Sep 2011) - $687 billion
FY 2012 (Oct 2011 to Sep 2012) - $645 billion
FY 2013 (Oct 2012 to Sep 2013) - $614 billion
FY 2014 (Oct 2013 to Sep 2014) - $615 billion

The FY 12 through FY 14 budgets was/will be $20 billion to $50 billion less than the FY 2009 budget.

It spiked in his first year, but has dropped drastically since then, about $45 billion through FY 2012, and will drop by about $75 billion through FY 2014.

[Bonobo]

16. No, I'll make it easy for you.

You said:

"In fact, the defense budget, including war spending, has gone done drastically since President Obama took office. The drop is even more drastic if the sequestration is left in place. "

It hasn't. It went up the first year which DIRECTLY contradicts your statement and puts the lie to it.

It is simple!

[ProSense]

17. That makes

You said:

"In fact, the defense budget, including war spending, has gone done drastically since President Obama took office. The drop is even more drastic if the sequestration is left in place. "

It hasn't. It went up the first year which DIRECTLY contradicts your statement and puts the lie to it.

It is simple!

...no fucking sense. The fact that it was $45 billion below that in 2012 and will be $75 billion lower by 2014 is drastically lower, and in fact, did occur since the President took office.

[tammywammy]

20. Since this is based on FY, the first Obama spending would be FY10

FY 2009 (Oct 2008 to Sep 2009) - $666 billion
FY 2010 (Oct 2009 to Sep 2010) - $691 billion
FY 2011 (Oct 2010 to Sep 2011) - $687 billion
FY 2012 (Oct 2011 to Sep 2012) - $645 billion
FY 2013 (Oct 2012 to Sep 2013) - $614 billion
FY 2014 (Oct 2013 to Sep 2014) - $615 billion

The FY09 budget was set by the Bush administration. So, Defense spending has been going down every year the Obama administration has been in place for the budget process.

[Johonny]

19. problem isn't the defense department it is congress that is jamming programs they don't want

They are force to build tanks and planes they don't need to keep congress happy. Meanwhile real defense programs get sequestration. As with everything these days the real problem is the blind stupidity of a congress filled with poorly educated Teabaggers.