How come the 'well armed militia' wasn't heard from during the Boston crisis?

[DainBramaged]

I didn't see them in any pictures, only law enforcement and the Armed Forces.


I guess they are simply unneeded......

[Cleita]

1. Thank God.

Vigilante justice is not needed. I'm afraid if this had happened in one of our mostly red states, it could have had a different ending.

[NoPasaran]

36. Yew miet be serprised

We gots us are owen po-leece an nashunel gard an such. Sum of evin gots runinn water jus liek them yankee fowks do.

[Cleita]

38. You also have your armed compounds of religious nuts in those states.

I know. I have seen the compounds from the road and even have run into some of the residents in town displaying their open carry. Somehow I hate to think of their reaction if something like Boston happened in their territory especially if the perps were ferin muslims.

[DrDan]

2. I am sure the NRA hates that the solution came from "a good guy with a gun . . . and a badge"

[Bragi]

78. It was an unarmed alert citizen who solved it /ny

[DrDan]

88. and who did the citizen call . . . .

probably the word "solved" was ill-chosen. My point was that it was not an "armed"citizen - but a citizen who called "armed authorities" . . . and it worked. Wayne L must hate that.

[Hoyt]

3. I bet a bunch were clutching their guns and tweeting/calling telling everyone what they'd do if they

saw the bomber.

Fortunately, Massachusetts has some good gun laws that kept yahoos off the streets with their lethal weapons. Otherwise, the yahoos would have been a bigger danger than the bomber as they "hunted" him for a chance to shoot someone and be a hero.

Once again, law enforcement proved much better at this than yahoos with guns.

[baldguy]

6. I'm sure Delicate Flowers all over the Northeast were hiding in closets clutching their weapons.

[hughee99]

4. Perhaps it was because many people were accusing the "well armed militia" of the bombing. n/t

[premium]

5. And also blaming the Tea Party

Boy, were they wrong on all accounts.

[Hoyt]

11. I still see gun lovers and yahoos as more of a danger than folks like these bombers.

2nd Amendment Fuckers like these cretins are much more of a concern, IMO.




Or, here is a disturbed solo young gun toter showing us how "responsible" gun owners carry their guns when walking down the street, in our parks, at Chuck E Cheeze next to our kids, etc. -- does it make you feel comfortable?/b]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YRt_xBl7dLU

[Ilsa]

14. These people scare me.

I think it's an accident waiting to happen.

[premium]

15. Really?

How many of these guys in this picture have killed someone?
How many of these guys in this picture have planted a bomb.
Do you realize how dumb ass of a statement you just made?

[Hoyt]

21. How many hate people, train to kill people, think confederate flags are cute, etc.

These guys are fuckers.

The video shows the typical yahoo that carries guns on our streets.

Finally, those that don't carry and collect guns are much less likely to shoot or intimidate people with their guns -- that's a fact that gun nuts can't argue with. Had Zimmerman, not had a gun, he would have remained in his car and Trayvon Martin would be alive today.

As to "dumb ass statements" -- LMAO

[premium]

24. Try answering my question. nt.

[Hoyt]

27. Guns and bigotry are related. That's my answer and a fact.

[premium]

30. I see I'm not going to get an answer from you.

Shoulda known.

[Hoyt]

32. You just got an answer. The majority of gun cultists are bigots, they use guns to intimidate.

[premium]

35. Uh Huh.

Sure they are...........................

[Ghost in the Machine]

64. Sounds like YOU'RE the bigot here.. against gun owners in general..n/t

[Hoyt]

66. Yes, I admit I am bigoted against those who promote and tote guns in our society.

[Ghost in the Machine]

67. Well, at least you're an honest bigot, I'll give you props for that... but I'm no fan of sweeping,

generalized bigotry in any way, shape or form.... and this is coming to you straight from a former, reformed racist. It took an amazing journey for me to be where I am today... a PROUD Liberal Democrat and a FORMER member of a notorious white supremacy gang.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I always thought that part of being a Liberal was the ability to live and let live. To show tolerance and compassion for everyone, and even more so for those who are different than ourselves. I'm not ashamed of my past because the journey out of that darkness led me to the enlightenment I know, love and enjoy today. There were many kind souls from all walks of life who guided me along the way.

When all is said and done, however, neither of us will change the others minds about guns. I was raised around them all my life, as were my now grown children. We all have a deep respect for them, we know the carnage, and shattered lives and broken hearts and unfulfilled dreams that their misuse can cause, but what we DON'T have is an irrational fear and/or loathing of them like some people here do.

How wonderful it would be to live in a world of Peace and Tolerance, but until that time comes, I plan to hold on to my guns to defend myself and my family, or to possibly have to hunt game to eat.

Peace to you and yours,

Ghost

[Hoyt]

76. I have found that most gun toters are bigots, a few are potential victims of bigots.

The latter at least has some justification for carrying guns.

I was brought up around guns too. Taught to field strip a 1911 by 10 years old, and had my first target rifle around the same age. Luckily, I matured -- saw that guns really aren't good for society.

I'm not too concerned about someone who keeps one or two guns at home, for self defense or hunting.

Unfortunately, most gun cultists today are into assault weapons (and multiple units), high cap mags, special loads, special sights (as one of our gungeon cultists put it, they might have to clear a room), strapping guns on to venture out, they view our country as a war zone or something, and worse. And they promote/encourage others to do the same. That's just not good for society. And, as you provide further evidence -- are likely bigots, at least when they started to love their lethal weapons.

[hughee99]

37. Should we stop putting such people in office then?

[Hoyt]

41. I doubt they have carried in public, have a weapons cache, or supported yahoos and assault weapons.

I do think in our country, politicians have to pander a bit to the yahoos who are gun nuts. That is sad.

[premium]

42. Aren't they carrying in public in that photo? nt.

[CTyankee]

69. I hope you reflect on the silliness of that statement.

Photos-ops in secured areas and surrounded by duly armed Secret Service agents in tightly controlled circumstances (esp. the one taken on one of the POTUS residences).

[premium]

71. Are they, or are they not in public?

Simple question.

[CTyankee]

72. Are they, when in public, like just anybody else with guns in public?

Simple question.

[premium]

73. Answer a question with a question.

Pres. Obama, not so much, John Kerry and company, yes they are, only they have SS protection, which isn't afforded to the average citizen, who's pretty much on their own to defend themselves if something bad happens.

[CTyankee]

74. Thank you. That is what I wanted to see you say.

IIRC, the photo of Obama was taken at Camp David.

[Jenoch]

28. Because you allegedly live in Georgia,

you seem to think all gun owners behave like you believe the men in that photo behave. First, I don't think you know as much about them as you think you do. Second, even if you were correct, that does not mean all gun owners behave similarly.

[Hoyt]

34. Michigan Militia, such a fine group of young gun owners and bigots.

[Jenoch]

39. Do you have an estimate

of the percentage of gun owners in the U.S. who are also members of a militia or are the 'bubbas' you believe them to be?

[Hoyt]

40. I'd say about 95.63% of right wing gun cultists fall in Militia, Militia wannabee, bigots, and or

bubba category. Right wing gun cultists make up majority of gun owners. I'd say a significant portion of gun cultists who consider themselves "liberal" are certainly suspect, although I'll reserve judgement on those who have not directly approved of the militia/bubba/bigot types (or at least indicated tolerance for them since they a gun promoters too).

[premium]

44. And I'm suuuuuuuuure you can provide proof

with a link, right?

[Hoyt]

45. Yes, but I won't waste my time on someone blinded, and comforted, by guns.

[premium]

47. So you have no proof or a link, right?

Comforted by my whole 2 guns, which I haven't even shot in about 10 years? Yeah, I'm really comforted by them.

[Jenoch]

46. I don't know how long

you've lived in 'Georgia', but you have to get out more. Your views are only defined by what you see locally.

[Hoyt]

48. I guess all the Michigan Militia folks are from Georgia. Or how about these fine gun lovers-

Arizona I believe, probably members of border Klan as well.

[madinmaryland]

58. Leaving Timothy McVeigh out of this whole conversation, their ilk have killed hundreds of thousands.

Think about all of the hangings and violence against African Americans which none of those fuckers have ever apologized for.

Those LOSERS in that picture ARE responsible for much of the hatred in this country.

FUCK THE NRA and FUCK THE BIGOTS.

It is pathetic that there are actually apologists for these "human beings" on this web site.

[MOTRDemocrat]

18. Ugh. No one should be able to dress like that or have those weapons...

Without being part of the U.S. Military.

[premium]

23. Why shouldn't they be allowed to dress like that?

Those BDU's are popular when hunting game, and they're quite comfortable.

[Hoyt]

25. They should have better sense. Are you one of those who think confederate flags are cute?

There's a gun store near me that advertises guns with confederate flags on the grips. Something you might find appealing, and a nice addition to your collection of lethal weapons.

These cretins aren't hunting game, they are the Michigan Militia, they are interested in hunting minorities. Like you didn't know.

[premium]

29. I don't particularly care what someone wears.

I'm not the clothing police.
Would I wear something with the confederate flag on it, no, but I don't tell other people what they can or can't wear, also, those BDU's, they're no longer authorized for wear in the military.

And for the 3rd time, you damned well know that I only own 1 handgun and 1 shotgun.

[Hoyt]

31. Enjoy your guns.

[premium]

33. That's a snappy comeback.

I've noticed a pattern with you, when you get bested in a debate, enjoy your guns is your comment.

[byeya]

49. I would say the score is approximately Hoyt 236, the other one -70. LOL

[premium]

50. Uh Huh. nt.

[DainBramaged]

52. Yo gunnie

the only reason you're here is to spew gun love, period. The NRA talking points, why waste your time, or is banging your head against a rifle butt and getting the same results your definition of progress?

You lose, period, time to go find someplace where they love the guns more than their kids.

[premium]

54. Yo DainBramaged,

I'm no gunnie, I only own 2 firearms, which I haven't even shot in about 10 years.

I'm for reasonable gun control, things like a mag. limit modeled on what CO. just passed, I'm all for the UBC, more stringent penalties for straw purchase's, better reporting by the states to the NICS, better mental health care.

Why is it that you guys always brand someone you don't agree with on firearms as NRA talking points?

Just because you say I lose, doesn't make it so, I haven't lost anything, 2A rights will still be here long after you and I are nothing but worm food.

[Recursion]

68. I can almost guarantee you are wrong about how powerful those weapons are

But, yes, dressing like that is unforgivable.

[sarisataka]

7. Did the government ask for their aid?

Had the call gone out asking for armed citizens to come and aid in the search what would the response have been- none, few, a bunch, many, a mob...

[Gregorian]

8. Haha. It's funny, but actually a pretty good question.

[Mopar151]

9. All the gun dealers were tied up at home

Sanitizing their records....

[premium]

17. Yeah, I'm sure that's what they were doing.

You do know that neither one of these terrorists were able to legally purchase a firearm, don't you?

The older brother was disqual. because of a domestic violence conviction and he wasn't an american citizen,
the younger brother was too young to be able to legally by a firearm from an FFL dealer.

[Lizzie Poppet]

20. I believe the younger brother was legally able to buy rifles and shotguns.

The limits are 18 for long guns, 21 for handguns.

[premium]

26. You are correct.

I don't believe either one had a rifle though.

[BainsBane]

65. that's what you get without universal background checks

Anyone sells to anyone they feel like. It generates profits for the gun industry, and the last thing the gun lobby cares about is loss of life.

[premium]

70. You are aware that MA does require a UBC on ALL firearms purchase's?

Whether private or from a dealer, all purchase of firearms have to have a background check done.
I read somewhere yesterday that these 2 terrorists got a handgun and rifle from the cop the shot and killed, if true, then the UBC wouldn't have made a damn bit of difference.

[BainsBane]

77. Right, because ordering online

Or going to a neighboring state is such a hardship.

[forthemiddle]

79. In Massachusetts ALL gun sales must go through a background check.

So if he bought it on line, or crossed State lines to purchase them, it was done illegally. That is the point, the same laws you are screaming for were already in place in Massachusetts.

The older brother could not legally buy a firearm, the younger could not buy a handgun (under age 21) so they already broke the law, so no new law would make a difference!

[premium]

81. Online sales still have to go through an FFL dealer.

Buying a gun in a state that's you're not a residence of and transporting it to your home state without going through an FFL dealer, is a Federal crime.

Just for the record, I do support UBC and the Senate should have voted to send it to the House, what poisoned the well, so to speak, was Sen. Feinstein's AWB, which garnered only 40 votes, and her mag. limit, which garnered only 45 votes.
Maybe, just maybe if she hadn't introduced those two poison pills, which she damn well knew ahead of time that they had no chance of passing, we would've gotten a decent gun control bill, but she just couldn't leave it alone and now, for the time being, we've got nothing.

[BainsBane]

83. BS

That was dropped long before Tuesday's vote. As for what you "read somewhere." They didn't get 200 rounds off a cop. Both brothers had guns. As in all cases on gun deaths, the dead cop in Boston is another notch in the belt of the gun lobby and it's minions who actively promote murder in this country. But gun homicide generates profit, and that is what really matters.

Interesting how you have decided to blame Democrats trying to save lives for failure of legislation voted down primarily by Republicans.

[premium]

85. Uh, the 200 rounds,

was total fired, terrorists and cops.

http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/metro/Watertown-police-chief-describes-firefight-with-Boston-Marathon-bomb-suspects/-/11971628/19830666/-/fmc5hh/-/index.html

"I had six officers engaged in a firefight that lasted somewhere between five and 10 minutes with over 200 rounds being shot," Deveau said.

Notice he says with over 200 rounds being shot? That means a total between both parties.

Just her proposing the AWB and mag limit was enough to mobilize the pro gun forces, whether you believe it or not.

I blame Sen. Feinstein for proposing an AWB and a mag limit, which she knew had zero chance of passing, for poisoning the well, without it, we could have gotten a decent bill that would actually have done some good.

[LibDemAlways]

10. A rightwing moron who frequently comments on a facebook friend's

posts came out today with the idiotic statement that if the residents of Watertown had automatic weapons they would have been better protected. This guy is a retired cop. There is no accounting for stupid.

[jpak]

12. They were up in Concord waiting for Redcoats

[Gormy Cuss]

82. Concord?

I thought Lexington was the meetup spot. Damn.

[premium]

87. Lexington?

Shit, I was told to the meet up spot was in Philadelphia.
Alright, who's responsible for this SNAFU?

[TheCowsCameHome]

13. They hate to be regulated.

They're wahoos that march to their own beat.

[badtoworse]

16. What difference does it make?

[Lizzie Poppet]

19. Gee, maybe because apprehending individual criminals has NEVER been the point of a militia?

[malaise]

22. They were cowering under their beds or in their basements

[DainBramaged]

55. They were on their computers playing Battlefield....

[malaise]

56. Don't rule it out

[hack89]

43. They don't exist. nt

[Zax2me]

51. Well, maybe because so many were blaming them for the bombings?

I assume some were in Boston, locked inside as instructed - guns ready.

[treestar]

86. Then they would have showed they were not to blame by

forming up to defend themselves and their families (presumably those of us without guns didn't deserve protection, preferring to "leech" of them or some such thing).

But the OP is talking about another thing. The militia that the Second Amendment envisions differs from the militia type groups in existence being "blamed." (Really being speculated as a possible cause).

[KharmaTrain]

53. The Ultimate Irony...

...the unfortunate security guard at MIT with the gun ended up as a tragic victim...while the person whose car was hijacked and was held captive for more than a half hour and wasn't armed was allowed to go unharmed. Ya think if that person had tried a "second ammendment remedy" they'd be alive today? I don't...

[DainBramaged]

57. Aww poor babies didn't like what I said........awwww

too bad.

[ileus]

59. then you would call them vigilantes?

They were on lockdown protecting their own homes and families.


I seem to recall innocent civilians getting shot up in their blue pickup not long ago. The much more appropriate use for firearms is personal protection in the home and in public.

If someone takes out the military and police then it may be up to civilians.

[DainBramaged]

60. "protecting their own homes and families"

From one guy.............


you folks are hilarious with your talking points....

[ileus]

61. so one guy wasn't worth worrying about?

Humm....why were they even bothering to hunt him down? One person can't be a threat it seems...

[DainBramaged]

62. Go back and spew in the gungeon, seriously, I don't care

buh bye

[ileus]

63. you're the one who said one person can't be a threat...

[lunatica]

75. Their first paranoid reaction may have been that this was another set-up by Obama hisself

to legislate their guns out of their still warm living hands.

[WilliamPitt]

80. It was.

"A militia (pron.: /mɨˈlɪʃə/), generally refers to an army or other fighting force that is composed of non-professional fighters; citizens of a nation or subjects of a state or government that can be called upon to enter a combat situation, as opposed to a professional force of regular soldiers or, historically, members of the fighting nobility."

[Dreamer Tatum]

84. So let me get this straight, DainBramaged

You posted a thread with a pic of an APC in Boston, pissing and moaning about "America 2013," and NOW you're scoffing at people who own weapons, wondering where THEY were?

Just who the hell is allowed to protect anyone, anyway? Are we supposed to just acquiesce to YOUR milquetoast view of how things ought to be: no military-style vehicles in the streets looking for TERRORISTS, and no one with their own weapons trying to protect their own families from TERRORISTS?

[ThomThom]

89. I believe I heard the Mass National Guard where there

that is the militia called for in the Constitution not "red necks with guns" if that is what you are implying