Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:11 AM

bamacrat (3,867 posts)

Online hacker Jester posted an interesting pic from Boston day of the race.

Identical bag. Would be bad if they were wrong but I guess we have to start some where.

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Hello cutey pie. Nice ruck you got there >> i.imgur.com/OvRBupt.jpg #boston cc: @FBIPressOffice

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Online hacker Jester posted an interesting pic from Boston day of the race. (Original post)	bamacrat	Apr 2013	OP
The guy looks like Dr. Sheldon Cooper with a beard	WilmywoodNCparalegal	Apr 2013	#1
Creepy that he's alone and holding the bag in a position to drop it.	JaneyVee	Apr 2013	#35
My first thought also, however, some people do hold them like that in	joeybee12	Apr 2013	#85
He definately looks like he's up to no good!	AAO	Apr 2013	#116
my money is on him! just look at him!	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	Apr 2013	#168
I swear to god it wasn't me.	Sheldon Cooper	Apr 2013	#40
Isn't "Jester" the right wing version of Anonymous?	Tommy_Carcetti	Apr 2013	#2
I don't think they are one wing or another.	bamacrat	Apr 2013	#4
Okay.	Tommy_Carcetti	Apr 2013	#8
jester is an individual	toddaa	Apr 2013	#27
Where are they getting the video?	Baitball Blogger	Apr 2013	#61
At the bottom of the photo of the bag in small letters...	kentuck	Apr 2013	#96
Second, I think.	Fawke Em	Apr 2013	#107
It appears to me that the bag appears lighter when he is coming back from the finish line...	kentuck	Apr 2013	#112
Yes	gaspee	Apr 2013	#33
The investigators asked for help.	morningfog	Apr 2013	#129
Nice catch. I hope this has been sent to	MineralMan	Apr 2013	#3
They sent that to the FBI. n/t	bamacrat	Apr 2013	#5
Good move on their part.	MineralMan	Apr 2013	#7
And to the entire internet.	progressoid	Apr 2013	#18
why is that lady crying yet he's still holding the bag?	JaneyVee	Apr 2013	#6
She may be sneezing	Renew Deal	Apr 2013	#13
My mom used to sob whenever she attended	abelenkpe	Apr 2013	#92
Yay! Internet vigilantism!	MadHound	Apr 2013	#9
How do you know how to "hold" a bomb?	Renew Deal	Apr 2013	#11
Oh geez, what a dumbass comeback is that,	MadHound	Apr 2013	#25
How do you know it was "thirty to forty pounds?"	Renew Deal	Apr 2013	#34
Well, Senator McCarthy, it's like this	MadHound	Apr 2013	#41
You wouldn't have to fill it completely up.	caseymoz	Apr 2013	#110
Also . . .	caseymoz	Apr 2013	#176
Ever carry a bunch of groceries on one arm so the other is free to open a door?	Spitfire of ATJ	Apr 2013	#141
How you'd be embarrassed if he turns out to be the perp.	caseymoz	Apr 2013	#101
Not just question him, but also pull a hair or else.	Amonester	Apr 2013	#166
He is supporting one arm with the other arm. Just sayin'.	Hassin Bin Sober	Apr 2013	#19
Actually he simply holding his arms like that, not supporting anything,	MadHound	Apr 2013	#29
Call the FBI and tell them you 'cleared' this guy.	Hassin Bin Sober	Apr 2013	#39
The only problem...	kentuck	Apr 2013	#43
My point is that people need to be using common sense and the brains that God gave them,	MadHound	Apr 2013	#44
I would disagree.	kentuck	Apr 2013	#49
This is white noise of a lead,	MadHound	Apr 2013	#53
How do you know he is carrying two bombs??	kentuck	Apr 2013	#68
I didn't say he was carrying two bombs.	MadHound	Apr 2013	#74
I agree with your application of physics	Shankapotomus	Apr 2013	#77
Also, the fact that he is in the same vicinity near the finish line...	kentuck	Apr 2013	#89
"Call the FBI and tell them you 'cleared' this guy."	Life Long Dem	Apr 2013	#123
no, it's him! I can see the "stupid" in his eyes	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	Apr 2013	#169
This is going to be a fun thread to re-visit in a bit.	AtheistCrusader	Apr 2013	#131
Look how his shoulder is lower as if it's from the weight.	Spitfire of ATJ	Apr 2013	#142
I find it consistent...	nebenaube	Apr 2013	#66
Yep. And those straps are a bit stiffer than, say, non-backpack straps.	Hassin Bin Sober	Apr 2013	#73
Or strapped to your back	B2G	Apr 2013	#21
It seems one may be in need of knowing the difference between "imply" and "infer".	LanternWaste	Apr 2013	#86
I might be wrong but it looks to me like	WheelWalker	Apr 2013	#122
You missed a lot. The Feds asked for help.	morningfog	Apr 2013	#132
So posting them online helps law enforcement	Union Scribe	Apr 2013	#157
More eyes.	morningfog	Apr 2013	#159
To do what? nt	Union Scribe	Apr 2013	#161
See.	morningfog	Apr 2013	#162
Well you know what eyes do. That's good.	Union Scribe	Apr 2013	#163
more crazy eyes to do crazy stuff	HiPointDem	Apr 2013	#171
He'll be named within an hour	Renew Deal	Apr 2013	#10
not yet sherlock	HiPointDem	Apr 2013	#172
To the FBI/cops	Renew Deal	Apr 2013	#178
Well that's about the 20th photo of a black bag I've seen today	B2G	Apr 2013	#12
True though...	Renew Deal	Apr 2013	#16
Intriquing but it doesn't look "heavy" enough if you get my drift.	riderinthestorm	Apr 2013	#14
Interesting. That bag looks like it has some weight to it, too....	cliffordu	Apr 2013	#15
Not saying one way or the other,	Benton D Struckcheon	Apr 2013	#17
Very interesting...	kentuck	Apr 2013	#20
A jury voted to leave this post 5-1.	pintobean	Apr 2013	#22
Here are more pictures	Renew Deal	Apr 2013	#23
Wow!!!	kentuck	Apr 2013	#42
Where's Waldo?	Bernardo de La Paz	Apr 2013	#82
close to the bottom	arely staircase	Apr 2013	#153
I think you missed him...	whopis01	Apr 2013	#154
yep, the ol' lysdexia kicking in	arely staircase	Apr 2013	#155
This guy's life is about to get messed up	MrBig	Apr 2013	#24
Agreed!	Wind Dancer	Apr 2013	#60
Indeed. nt	Union Scribe	Apr 2013	#156
I'm reminded of a cross-examination from "My Cousin Vinny"	JHB	Apr 2013	#26
Exactly.	Tommy_Carcetti	Apr 2013	#38
Still one of my all time favorite movies	bottomofthehill	Apr 2013	#80
kick	warrior1	Apr 2013	#28
OT, but creepy Twitter line.	Tommy_Carcetti	Apr 2013	#30
Hard to tell.	DetlefK	Apr 2013	#31
There are no black and white photos.	Arrowhead2k1	Apr 2013	#37
Ugh...	Agschmid	Apr 2013	#57
Don't believe me? Cram a backpack full of heavy stuff and try it.	DetlefK	Apr 2013	#64
The other thing that's odd about how he's carrying it	rbixby	Apr 2013	#126
I think we have a winner. n/t	Ellipsis	Apr 2013	#32
Another Photo Like This...	ChangeUp106	Apr 2013	#36
How many black backpacks do you see in this picture?	B2G	Apr 2013	#45
I saw at least one more	Renew Deal	Apr 2013	#47
"Good luck with this line of investigation"	Hassin Bin Sober	Apr 2013	#52
My point is that a black backpack alone means nothing	B2G	Apr 2013	#55
Don't you see the similarity in the strap (stripe) pattern?	Hassin Bin Sober	Apr 2013	#65
Black backpacks = plenty, but take a look at the details that are	fob	Apr 2013	#54
Also note the small gray panel that can be seen in the photo where he has his side facing the camera	Ganja Ninja	Apr 2013	#79
But the bag remnant has specific identifying characteristics. It's not just randomly	Arugula Latte	Apr 2013	#105
If you compare where this guy is standing to the location of the explosion, they are close	Renew Deal	Apr 2013	#46
Looks to me like he's holding with two hands	Animal Chin	Apr 2013	#48
Agreed. With the thumb of the right in the waistband/belt for support, and covered by the left hand	WheelWalker	Apr 2013	#150
The More I Look...	ChangeUp106	Apr 2013	#50
Guy also seems to be alone	Animal Chin	Apr 2013	#51
I spotted my own likely suspect	Demo_Chris	Apr 2013	#56
You're fucking hilarious	demwing	Apr 2013	#99
+1	MrBig	Apr 2013	#148
Are the FBI certain this is the bag that contained the explosives?	justiceischeap	Apr 2013	#58
If the bomb was in the bag, it will be damaged differently than if the bomb was next to the bag	jeff47	Apr 2013	#97
Thanks!	justiceischeap	Apr 2013	#102
bag looks heavy in hanging on his arm....nt	Evasporque	Apr 2013	#59
What is interesting is that analysis of photos of the	MineralMan	Apr 2013	#62
There are hundreds of people taking pictures at the end of a raceline, so I'm sure someone got	cbdo2007	Apr 2013	#70
I suspect that everyone who did take pictures or videos	MineralMan	Apr 2013	#76
...In addition, those people in the close vicinity in the picture	Sheepshank	Apr 2013	#121
K & R	AzDar	Apr 2013	#63
You might want to read this thread!	Wind Dancer	Apr 2013	#67
One reason why I'm not sure on this one - bag looks relatively intact if it was ground zero	MillennialDem	Apr 2013	#69
It wasn't an atomic bomb.	kentuck	Apr 2013	#75
I know that.	MillennialDem	Apr 2013	#83
He looks like Ted Nugent...	kentuck	Apr 2013	#71
Well, Based on what people are saying here, I could be a suspect...except I wasn't in Boston.	Scruffy Rumbler	Apr 2013	#72
Here's another pic of this guy from a different forum:	cbdo2007	Apr 2013	#78
I'm sure the FBI is going over all this stuff with a fine tooth comb	Marrah_G	Apr 2013	#84
It's difficult to see if he has his bag or not?	kentuck	Apr 2013	#87
If they have a clear photo of him no longer with the backpack, that is incredibly interesting.	Arugula Latte	Apr 2013	#90
I think he is still holding the backpack there, there's a bit of the light grey coloured	polly7	Apr 2013	#98
But it may be only half as heavy as before...	kentuck	Apr 2013	#127
That's true ... almost impossible to say.	polly7	Apr 2013	#134
Also at your link	abelenkpe	Apr 2013	#104
haha, yeah saw that. Didn't want to mention it here...for obvious reasons.	cbdo2007	Apr 2013	#109
He still has the bag in that photo. You just can't see it because the woman in front is blocking it.	Ganja Ninja	Apr 2013	#118
he's still got the backpack. see the girl in pink behind him? now look at the pictures in this OP.	HiPointDem	Apr 2013	#174
Everybody is Sherlock Holmes. I have a bag like that.	Buzz Clik	Apr 2013	#81
Here is a collection with all the suspects so far, there are tons.	Paul E Ester	Apr 2013	#88
But no other black-with-grey stripes, it seems, besides the blue-shirt bearded guy?	Arugula Latte	Apr 2013	#91
Here's another image going around with a completely different set of people.	Renew Deal	Apr 2013	#94
Their bags don't seem to match the remnant, though.	Arugula Latte	Apr 2013	#108
I bet one of those "brown guys" was the Saudi who was injured, interviewed, and cleared.	Arrowhead2k1	Apr 2013	#117
I agree that there's nothing convincing	Renew Deal	Apr 2013	#119
Very interesting synopsis by the British	kentuck	Apr 2013	#135
interesting.	grantcart	Apr 2013	#111
Except guy in white hat doesn't have a jacket	mainer	Apr 2013	#113
Exactly. If you were trying to change your appearance, lose the jacket and put on a hat.	grantcart	Apr 2013	#115
That doesn't look anything like the same guy to me.	cbdo2007	Apr 2013	#125
Grab him, Dan'l !	kentuck	Apr 2013	#93
I'm not sure it's appropriate to make this viral.....	Armstead	Apr 2013	#95
the mob doesn't care about that stuff	HiPointDem	Apr 2013	#175
Bag looks a little small to be holding a pressure cooker of size, be nice to see the full shape.	grahamhgreen	Apr 2013	#100
I am thinking he is holding	bec	Apr 2013	#103
He makes me think of Unabomber Ted Kaczynski	mainer	Apr 2013	#106
That's what I thought of when I first saw the picture too.	cbdo2007	Apr 2013	#128
Theodore Kaczynski, a.k.a. the Unabomber, was a volunteer in mind-control experiments sponsored by t	SoLeftIAmRight	Apr 2013	#137
He makes me think of a random guy at the Boston Marathon n/t	MrBig	Apr 2013	#146
Me too. Yes, Ted also was a prof at UC Berkeley.	anneboleyn	Apr 2013	#158
And another set	Renew Deal	Apr 2013	#114
This should not have been posted on the internet.	drm604	Apr 2013	#120
It's nearly impossible to keep anything off the Internet...	kentuck	Apr 2013	#130
This is how these crimes are solved	Renew Deal	Apr 2013	#133
The police did not post this.	drm604	Apr 2013	#144
wow..	AsahinaKimi	Apr 2013	#124
CNN stated (live) that the FBI is circulating a photo	anneboleyn	Apr 2013	#167
Given the pervasiveness of camera phones and the thousands of vids/pic taken during the event....	Old and In the Way	Apr 2013	#136
I would venture that someone in this thread is very close to tagging the culprit...	kentuck	Apr 2013	#138
Or making an innocent person's life a living hell n/t	MrBig	Apr 2013	#145
AS IF the FBI isn't also scouring every photo around!	WinkyDink	Apr 2013	#151
Yes, but	MrBig	Apr 2013	#152
Could just as easily be a victim.	NCTraveler	Apr 2013	#139
Good point...	kentuck	Apr 2013	#140
I really don't know about a backpack that size.	NCTraveler	Apr 2013	#143
He should be arrested	Lawlbringer	Apr 2013	#147
He looks like one of the members of the Michigan Militia...	kentuck	Apr 2013	#149
Snort. Word!	anneboleyn	Apr 2013	#164
Speaking of photography and terrorists	ThoughtCriminal	Apr 2013	#160
Great point thoughtcriminal. Thank you for posting this	anneboleyn	Apr 2013	#165
and if that's just some guy? i think it's irresponsible to post pictures with identifiable facial	HiPointDem	Apr 2013	#170
"we have to start some where" = didn't realize DU was in charge of the investigation	HiPointDem	Apr 2013	#173
Not convincing. Many people had bags containing changes of clothes and personal items for runners.	ellisonz	Apr 2013	#177

Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:13 AM

WilmywoodNCparalegal (2,637 posts)

1. The guy looks like Dr. Sheldon Cooper with a beard

Seriously, hopefully they will examine this information.

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Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:39 AM

JaneyVee (19,877 posts)

35. Creepy that he's alone and holding the bag in a position to drop it.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #35)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:07 AM

joeybee12 (56,177 posts)

85. My first thought also, however, some people do hold them like that in

crowded areas so they're not knocking it into others around them.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #35)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:56 AM

AAO (3,300 posts)

116. He definately looks like he's up to no good!

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Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:13 AM

WhaTHellsgoingonhere (5,252 posts)

168. my money is on him! just look at him!

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Response to WilmywoodNCparalegal (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:45 AM

Sheldon Cooper (3,724 posts)

40. I swear to god it wasn't me.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:13 AM

Tommy_Carcetti (39,644 posts)

2. Isn't "Jester" the right wing version of Anonymous?

Not saying there's either any truth or falsity to these photos. Just let the investigators do their job.

This is the DU member formerly known as Tommy_Carcetti.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:15 AM

bamacrat (3,867 posts)

4. I don't think they are one wing or another.

They aren't real fond of anonymous.. FBI has asked for help, and people who know how to do the things these guys do can help a lot.

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Response to bamacrat (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:17 AM

Tommy_Carcetti (39,644 posts)

8. Okay.

I find the whole online hacker world, Anonymous, Jester, whatever well, odd. But if it turns out to be authentic, I guess I hope it helps.

This is the DU member formerly known as Tommy_Carcetti.

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Response to bamacrat (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:34 AM

toddaa (2,518 posts)

27. jester is an individual

His agenda has been pro military, which brings him in conflict with Anonymous on occasion. Best guess is that his background is military or intelligence.

Like most hackers, he has a rather low opinion of Anonymous' skills but rarely wastes his time with them.

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Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:21 AM

Baitball Blogger (37,745 posts)

61. Where are they getting the video?

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #61)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:37 AM

kentuck (100,959 posts)

96. At the bottom of the photo of the bag in small letters...

it says "AP / FBI".

My question would be "Did they recover the bag from the first explosion or the second??"

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Response to kentuck (Reply #96)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:46 AM

Fawke Em (11,366 posts)

107. Second, I think.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #107)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:52 AM

kentuck (100,959 posts)

112. It appears to me that the bag appears lighter when he is coming back from the finish line...

and may have just dropped the bag at the second explosion? Which would mean he would have taken one of the bombs out of the bag for the first explosion. Just speculation, of course.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:39 AM

gaspee (3,231 posts)

33. Yes

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Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:10 PM

morningfog (18,115 posts)

129. The investigators asked for help.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:14 AM

MineralMan (136,753 posts)

3. Nice catch. I hope this has been sent to

those investigating. I'm sure it has.

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Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:15 AM

bamacrat (3,867 posts)

5. They sent that to the FBI. n/t

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Response to bamacrat (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:17 AM

MineralMan (136,753 posts)

7. Good move on their part.

I'm sure the FBI will be interested in those photos. I hope it's a good clue for them.

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Response to bamacrat (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:26 AM

progressoid (45,953 posts)

18. And to the entire internet.

Bad form.

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Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:16 AM

JaneyVee (19,877 posts)

6. why is that lady crying yet he's still holding the bag?

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:24 AM

Renew Deal (79,262 posts)

13. She may be sneezing

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:31 AM

abelenkpe (9,933 posts)

92. My mom used to sob whenever she attended

her kids performances or sporting events. Why? She was always overcome with pride and joy and that caused her to cry. Maybe the woman crying is just happy for a loved one crossing the finish line?

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:21 AM

MadHound (34,179 posts)

9. Yay! Internet vigilantism!

First of all, if the implication that this is the bomber, where is the second duffle bag? Second, who the hell is Jester to be trying to pin the blame on anybody? They're not cops, that's for sure. Look what happened to Richard Jewel after the Atlanta bombing, all because of idiots like this right here. Third of all, don't you think that the cops have already looked at this and dealt with it? Oh, one other thing, if that bag had a bomb in it, a bomb composed of a pressure cooker, explosives, and a bunch of metal shrapnel, you wouldn't be holding it like the man in the photo is, draped on your forearm, it would simply be too heavy, and pull the arm down. You would be holding the bag with the strap handles in you your hand, probably straight down at your side.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:23 AM

Renew Deal (79,262 posts)

11. How do you know how to "hold" a bomb?

Aside from that, no one is advocating "vigilantism." This is just another tip being passed along.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:32 AM

MadHound (34,179 posts)

25. Oh geez, what a dumbass comeback is that,

Dare to say something in the defense of the internet posse's latest target, and wham, "how do you know how to hold a bomb?" Basic physics combined with basic human anatomy, subjects you obviously have no clue about. Here, try this experiment. Load up a backpack with thirty to forty pound of something, anything. Put the straps on your forearm, as shown in the picture, and see how long it takes before you biceps start to get fatigued. Feel that, get what I'm saying now? Good, now you can put that backpack down now.

And yes, this is vigilantism, and we're seeing it not just here, but all over the internet. "It's the Saudi! No, it's some RW nutcase! No, it's this guy!" Around and around this stupid shit goes, and if you're not careful, such "tips" can wind up hurting somebody, example, Richard Jewel.

But hey, don't let me or common sense stand in the way of a good ol' fashioned torches and pitchfork parade

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Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:39 AM

Renew Deal (79,262 posts)

34. How do you know it was "thirty to forty pounds?"

No one said that something should be done to this person and everyone remembers Richard Jewel. That doesn't mean that this person shouldn't be identified to the police. That's not vigilantism.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #34)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:47 AM

MadHound (34,179 posts)

41. Well, Senator McCarthy, it's like this

The authorities are saying that the pressure cooker was roughly a six liter size. Now we know that the cooker was filled with shrapnel, so go find approximately the same amount of iron or steel metal that would fill such a pressure cooker, then weigh that metal. Add two to three pounds more for the weight of the pressure cooker, explosives, and Voila, you have a rough approximation of how much the bomb weighed.

And yes, this is vigilantism, this is citizens coming across anybody they deem suspicious and trying to turn him into the bad guy. Everybody is also filtering this through their own preconceived notion that the bomber was some angry, white, RW guy, when in fact we simply don't know. Why not leave all of this to the professionals, the people that actually know what they're doing, rather than running around yelling, "J,accuse!"

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Response to MadHound (Reply #41)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:50 AM

caseymoz (5,763 posts)

110. You wouldn't have to fill it completely up.

How do you know the explosive wasn't two-thirds of the volume and shrapnel one third? Unless mercury, the explosive would be much lighter, by about an eighth by my estimate. So, two-thirds volume the explosive, which is four or five pounds, one-third metal scrap, which would be eleven, twelve pounds, another three pounds for the cooker. That's about twenty pounds.

And see my previous post: you can't tell from a couple still images how long he's carried it by the back straps. He might have just taken it off his back five seconds before.

I'm not saying he did it. I'm saying it's not as unlikely as you make it sound, and you're making assumptions besides those given for anatomy and physics to exclude this guy.

I'm just glad you're not the cop or agent investigating this case.

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Response to caseymoz (Reply #110)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 02:44 AM

caseymoz (5,763 posts)

176. Also . . .

I notice he's walking bracing his carrying arm with the other! He's gripping the arm at the wrist.

That's a strange way to carry a backpack, unless it's perhaps too heavy for one arm alone, and he doesn't want it look like it's that heavy.

Also, there'd be a reason not to hold it by its top loop if it's explosive. Down below, somebody might brush by and kick it, turning the perp into an accidental suicide bomber.

I really hope they find and question this guy.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #41)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:38 PM

Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)

141. Ever carry a bunch of groceries on one arm so the other is free to open a door?

That's the way you do it.

BTW: Authorities have already received hundreds of tips so far. Most go nowhere but some could lead to the perp.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #25)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:40 AM

caseymoz (5,763 posts)

101. How you'd be embarrassed if he turns out to be the perp.

You can't tell from the pictures how long he's held it like that. As far as you can tell, he's just taken it off his back (which would be the logical way to carry it into the crowd) and is about to put it down, and probably doesn't want to look obvious doing it, so he carries it a few feet, just to fool people like you who know all about physics and human anatomy.

False accusation? Like what? Showing proof that this guy was carrying a backpack in a crowd? And that the backpack had stripes matching a shredded one at the scene? That's all factual. An accusation would be if Jester took those facts and said he must be the bomber. Nothing here proves he was, but it's enough to want to find the guy and question him.

And Jester isn't the only one who can see these facts on the Internet. It isn't a sophisticated hacking technique he used. People are going to pour over these pictures and videos with microscopes. Others can see the same thing. If Jester wouldn't have come out with it, somebody else would have mentioned this ten minutes later.

Vigilantism might follow, but this isn't vigilantism.

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Response to caseymoz (Reply #101)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:03 PM

Amonester (11,541 posts)

166. Not just question him, but also pull a hair or else.

4 DNA tests (if any 'match' is left in the bag, that is)

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Response to MadHound (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:26 AM

Hassin Bin Sober (23,818 posts)

19. He is supporting one arm with the other arm. Just sayin'.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:35 AM

MadHound (34,179 posts)

29. Actually he simply holding his arms like that, not supporting anything,

If he were, there would be "crease marks" on his clothing, and the strength it takes for even two arms to hold up a weight like that would cause some serious muscle tension and "dig" the arms into the stomach area.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #29)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:44 AM

Hassin Bin Sober (23,818 posts)

39. Call the FBI and tell them you 'cleared' this guy.

My only point is he is supporting his arm.

If I felt like it, I could make as many arguments on the "for" side. I don't. You apparently feel like clearing this guy.

I DO know the FBI will be looking for this guy based on the unarguable bag similarities.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #39)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:50 AM

kentuck (100,959 posts)

43. The only problem...

The bag, very similar to his, perhaps identical, is blown all to hell!

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #39)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:50 AM

MadHound (34,179 posts)

44. My point is that people need to be using common sense and the brains that God gave them,

Before turning into super sleuths and thinking they've got their guy. It is this kind of shit that drives every cop nuts, because while citizens are well meaning, an application of intelligence and common sense on their part would save the cops a lot of hassle. Yes, I'm sure the cops have already looked at this guy, they are looking at everybody that day with a bag. My guess, his photo is already in the "No" bin.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #44)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:04 AM

kentuck (100,959 posts)

49. I would disagree.

This is exactly the type of lead they are looking for. You cannot dismiss every lead.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #49)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:11 AM

MadHound (34,179 posts)

53. This is white noise of a lead,

And if you used the intelligence and common sense granted to you, you would see that. Perhaps it is because of my hobby, old car restoration, and the fact that I handle a lot of heavy metal, that I can see this, I don't know. But it seems perfectly obvious to me that you aren't going to hook thirty, forty pounds of metal around your forearm and carry it for any length of time. The more natural thing to do is to grasp it by the handles and carry it down at your side.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #53)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:35 AM

kentuck (100,959 posts)

68. How do you know he is carrying two bombs??

One bomb would be about 6 liters.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #68)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:38 AM

MadHound (34,179 posts)

74. I didn't say he was carrying two bombs.

Geez, this is getting a bit alarming in this thread. I make some common sense comments based on my experience, and not one, but two other posters go all McCarthy on me.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #53)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:41 AM

Shankapotomus (4,840 posts)

77. I agree with your application of physics

However, there is the possibility the suspect could have come with multiple matching bags, two with bombs in them, but the rest, who knows? The picture could have been taken after the bags with explosives were already placed or they could be on the ground at his feet out of sight in the picture. The point is, if the exploded bags match the bag the man in the picture is holding, that's a legitimate lead.

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Response to Shankapotomus (Reply #77)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:20 AM

kentuck (100,959 posts)

89. Also, the fact that he is in the same vicinity near the finish line...

cannot be dismissed.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #39)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:05 PM

Life Long Dem (8,582 posts)

123. "Call the FBI and tell them you 'cleared' this guy."

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Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #123)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:20 AM

WhaTHellsgoingonhere (5,252 posts)

169. no, it's him! I can see the "stupid" in his eyes

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Response to MadHound (Reply #29)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:13 PM

AtheistCrusader (33,982 posts)

131. This is going to be a fun thread to re-visit in a bit.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #29)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:40 PM

Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)

142. Look how his shoulder is lower as if it's from the weight.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:31 AM

nebenaube (3,496 posts)

66. I find it consistent...

heavy backpack, yeah... he doesn't want it on his shoulder because it draw too much attention but I see nothing inconsistent about how the pack is carried.

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Response to nebenaube (Reply #66)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:37 AM

Hassin Bin Sober (23,818 posts)

73. Yep. And those straps are a bit stiffer than, say, non-backpack straps.

In other words, they are meant not to "dig" in to the body.

The straps seem to be supporting some weight.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:27 AM

B2G (9,766 posts)

21. Or strapped to your back

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Response to MadHound (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:13 AM

LanternWaste (36,873 posts)

86. It seems one may be in need of knowing the difference between "imply" and "infer".

It seems one may be in need of knowing the difference between "imply" and "infer". Two separate words concepts easily confused these days...

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Response to MadHound (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:05 PM

WheelWalker (7,826 posts)

122. I might be wrong but it looks to me like

he's holding it by both arms. The right hand might well have the thumb hooked over the belt or waist of the pants to give support... and notice the left hand is covering the right so as to make the support of the right hand by the waistband or belt not visible. In point of fact, it looks to me like the satchel/duffel/backpack is supported by a combination of both arms and probably a belt or waistband. IMO.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:13 PM

morningfog (18,115 posts)

132. You missed a lot. The Feds asked for help.

The first bag could have already been dropped.

No, there is no reason to think the Feds have already looked at every image out there.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #132)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 05:52 PM

Union Scribe (7,099 posts)

157. So posting them online helps law enforcement

versus just, I dunno, sending this info TO them?

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #157)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 06:23 PM

morningfog (18,115 posts)

159. More eyes.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #159)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:36 PM

Union Scribe (7,099 posts)

161. To do what? nt

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #161)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:37 PM

morningfog (18,115 posts)

162. See.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #162)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:42 PM

Union Scribe (7,099 posts)

163. Well you know what eyes do. That's good.

But I fail to 'see' how turning some guy, who could very well just be another poor sod with a backpack, over to the vigilantism of an angry nation in any way helps the situation versus going directly to the agencies working on the case.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #162)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 01:05 AM

HiPointDem (20,729 posts)

171. more crazy eyes to do crazy stuff

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:21 AM

Renew Deal (79,262 posts)

10. He'll be named within an hour

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 01:06 AM

HiPointDem (20,729 posts)

172. not yet sherlock

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #172)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 07:17 AM

Renew Deal (79,262 posts)

178. To the FBI/cops

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:23 AM

B2G (9,766 posts)

12. Well that's about the 20th photo of a black bag I've seen today

He's holding it pretty casually for it to contain a gallon pressure cooker full of gunpowder, ball bearings and detonators. I would think it would be pretty heavy.

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Response to B2G (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:25 AM

Renew Deal (79,262 posts)

16. True though...

It's a good position to drop it from and it looks like there's a garbage can right in front of him.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:24 AM

riderinthestorm (23,272 posts)

14. Intriquing but it doesn't look "heavy" enough if you get my drift.

The bag had to have been really heavy with that much metal inside. The picture of the guy with that backpack is awfully "loose" in his arms.

It is a good pic though. Certainly interesting enough to send to the FBI

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:25 AM

cliffordu (30,994 posts)

15. Interesting. That bag looks like it has some weight to it, too....

I'd love it if they nailed whoever did it right away.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:26 AM

Benton D Struckcheon (2,347 posts)

17. Not saying one way or the other,

but he's bracing the arm holding it with his other arm. He's not holding it casually. He kind of looks like he's trying to look casual actually, to me.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:26 AM

kentuck (100,959 posts)

20. Very interesting...

imho.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:28 AM

pintobean (18,101 posts)

22. A jury voted to leave this post 5-1.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:29 AM

Renew Deal (79,262 posts)

23. Here are more pictures

It looks like someone combed through hi-res photos to find this.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2d6_1366183161&comments=1#comment_page=1

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #23)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:49 AM

kentuck (100,959 posts)

42. Wow!!!

He and the bag are close to the finish line! All circumstantial of course. This is incredible!

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #23)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:57 AM

Bernardo de La Paz (37,169 posts)

82. Where's Waldo?

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #82)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 04:47 PM

arely staircase (12,482 posts)

153. close to the bottom

slightly to the upper right of the African American woman in the short sleeved orange shirt.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #153)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 05:48 PM

whopis01 (2,931 posts)

154. I think you missed him...

slightly to the upper right of the African American woman in the short sleeved orange shirt.

I think you might have meant "to the upper left" instead.

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Response to whopis01 (Reply #154)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 05:51 PM

arely staircase (12,482 posts)

155. yep, the ol' lysdexia kicking in

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:31 AM

MrBig (640 posts)

24. This guy's life is about to get messed up

If he didn't have any role in the attacks whatsoever, I hate to think what will happen to him as I'm sure his name and personal information have already been disseminated throughout the internet community.

All of these posts identifying suspicious looking people in random photos just keeps reminding me of Richard Jewell. If you find something that seems odd, send it to the FBI. No need to post it online and let a feeding frenzy begin against a possibly innocent person.

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Response to MrBig (Reply #24)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:20 AM

Wind Dancer (3,618 posts)

60. Agreed!

Richard Jewell is a perfect example in how NOT to behave during an investigation.

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Response to MrBig (Reply #24)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 05:51 PM

Union Scribe (7,099 posts)

156. Indeed. nt

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:33 AM

JHB (32,825 posts)

26. I'm reminded of a cross-examination from "My Cousin Vinny"

Q: Is it possible for two separate cars could be driving on Michelin model XGV 75 R 14's?

A: Of course.

Q: Let me ask you this: What's the best selling single model tire being sold in the United States today?

A: The Michelin XGV.

Q: And what's the most popular size?

A: 75R14.

Q: The same size as on the Defendants' car?

A: But two faded green 1964 Buick Skylark convertibles?

Q: Excuse me. All I'm asking you is if the most popular size of the most popular tire is on the defendant's car.

A: Well, Yeah.

And just how many bags of that kind exist in Boston? During a major civic event? Plus nearly-identical kinds?

Maybe it's a clue, maybe it's not, but don't count on Jester to know the difference.

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Response to JHB (Reply #26)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:41 AM

Tommy_Carcetti (39,644 posts)

38. Exactly.

One of the reasons why it is so difficult to nail a perp in an event with just so many people doing seemingly innocuous things.

September 11th was easy--once the second plane hit, we knew instantly it was Bin Laden, from the high profile attacks on the Cole and the embassies.

With Oklahoma City, authorities got seriously, seriously lucky. McVeigh was stopped for not having a license plate and arrested on a concealed weapons charge. When inventorying the car, they happened to find a business card with a note on the back about buying TNT.

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Response to JHB (Reply #26)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:52 AM

bottomofthehill (3,318 posts)

80. Still one of my all time favorite movies

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:34 AM

warrior1 (12,325 posts)

28. kick

this could be him

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:36 AM

Tommy_Carcetti (39,644 posts)

30. OT, but creepy Twitter line.

"Hello cutey pie. Nice ruck you got there"??????

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:37 AM

DetlefK (15,810 posts)

31. Hard to tell.

First, you compare a black-and-white-photo to a color-photo.
Second, that pattern isn't very unique. By my guess, about 10% of all backpacks have this.
Third, why isn't the neck-handle of the backpack on the right visible in the photos on the left?

But on the other hand:
If you look at the color-photos upper center and right, you can clearly see that he transported something heavy in that backpack, because the shoulder straps are stretched. (The plastic is normally stiff enough to retain some curvature.) That stuff might be sports-goods or whatever though.

Was he walking or was he standing while this photo was taken?
If he was standing, then carrying a heavy backpack like this is okay.
But if he was walking a considerable distance, then carrying a heavy backpack like this is suspicious, because it would bump into his right thigh all the time and turn uncomfortable pretty fast.

Maybe. A BIG Maybe.
And too many open questions. Too much left to the realm of speculation.
But enough to check for finger-prints.

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #31)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:40 AM

Arrowhead2k1 (2,121 posts)

37. There are no black and white photos.

The colors just happen to all be black and white.

This is 2013. The FBI doesn't take black and white photos anymore...

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #31)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:18 AM

Agschmid (28,721 posts)

57. Ugh...

"But if he was walking a considerable distance, then carrying a heavy backpack like this is suspicious, because it would bump into his right thigh all the time and turn uncomfortable pretty fast."

Really?

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #57)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:28 AM

DetlefK (15,810 posts)

64. Don't believe me? Cram a backpack full of heavy stuff and try it.

My point is: If the backpack were indeed heavy, as the speculation before deduced, wouldn't he carry it in the most comfortable way?

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #31)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:08 PM

rbixby (1,140 posts)

126. The other thing that's odd about how he's carrying it

Is you can clearly see that there's a hand hold on the pack, it would be much easier to carry it that way, unless it was very heavy, then the hand hold would dig into your hand.

Interesting, but its a lead, not a clear indication of guilt or anything.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:38 AM

Ellipsis (8,482 posts)

32. I think we have a winner. n/t

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:39 AM

ChangeUp106 (549 posts)

36. Another Photo Like This...

I've seen a bunch of these over the past 12 hours...

but I have to say this one really stands out. Complain all you want, but the Internet is just trying to help.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:51 AM

B2G (9,766 posts)

45. How many black backpacks do you see in this picture?

I count at least 5. In a crowd of about 30 people. Good luck with this line of investigation.

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Response to B2G (Reply #45)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:54 AM

Renew Deal (79,262 posts)

47. I saw at least one more

4 people deep from the Israeli flag. A person wearing a red shirt with a black backpack on his back.

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Response to B2G (Reply #45)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:08 AM

Hassin Bin Sober (23,818 posts)

52. "Good luck with this line of investigation"

Not sure what your point is.

This is how they will most likely identify the perpetrator.

The investigators probably have dozens (hundreds?) scouring the photos. The internet has... thousands?.... scouring the photos.

The investigators have the bag. Now they have to link it to a face.

I'm reminded of that story about a mathematical problem put out on the internet and solved by gamers.

In fact, that may be the reason the photos of the bag were released.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #52)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:14 AM

B2G (9,766 posts)

55. My point is that a black backpack alone means nothing

As illustrated in the pic I posted. How many 10s of thousands were there that day do you suppose?

If their main approach to finding the perps is going to be to track down everyone wearing a black backpack, we are well and truly screwed. But I do love the 'he looks just like I imagined he would' comments. Lol. WTF is that supposed to even mean??

Oh, and I really feel sorry for anyone who's pic is being splashed across the internets with suspicion.

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Response to B2G (Reply #55)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:30 AM

Hassin Bin Sober (23,818 posts)

65. Don't you see the similarity in the strap (stripe) pattern?

THAT'S what the investigators will be looking for.

They have the bag. They don't have a face but they have a bag - with certain strap patterns.

This is why they are scouring the airport for photos and asking the public to send photos. I heard yesterday they have some large, I can't remember, number of terabytes of photo/video sent to them.

And if you think the significance of a lone white male in the crowed doesn't add to the suspicion of the profilers working on the case, I don't know what to tell you.

You can bet they have a profile worked out. See: the DHS profile memo that the right wing squealed like pigs about and had retracted.

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Response to B2G (Reply #45)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:13 AM

fob (5,576 posts)

54. Black backpacks = plenty, but take a look at the details that are

circled. There are grey straps on top of the black padded straps on the blown up backpack, and as pointed out, the blue coat dude has a black back pack with grey straps on the black padded straps. So this isn't a "hey, look this guy has a black back pack" kinda thing.

I have no idea if they are the same, but of the people wearing black backpacks, this one appears to match better than the rest. This guy should at least be tracked down as a person of interest. If he still has his black backpack with grey straps, then perhaps he's not the one.

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Response to fob (Reply #54)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:51 AM

Ganja Ninja (15,953 posts)

79. Also note the small gray panel that can be seen in the photo where he has his side facing the camera

The blown up sack photo seems to show a gray panel on one end.

You're right it's the details that make this of interest.

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Response to B2G (Reply #45)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:43 AM

Arugula Latte (50,566 posts)

105. But the bag remnant has specific identifying characteristics. It's not just randomly

suspecting everybody with a backpack who was at the entire marathon. There had to have been someone with a bag near the bomb site. Narrow it down from there. Who has a bag similar to the remnant. Narrow it down. Who has a bag in one shot and then later doesn't. Narrow it down. And so on. I don't understand why people don't grasp the concept of process of elimination.

*Disclaimer* I'm NOT saying that this guy is definitely guilty. Mathematically, though, there are relatively few people who would be able to be identified as suspects.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:53 AM

Renew Deal (79,262 posts)

46. If you compare where this guy is standing to the location of the explosion, they are close

Last edited Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:32 AM - Edit history (1)

They are very near the Israeli flag BTW.

Very large picture: http://tinyurl.com/btjtmwy

Look 7 people to the left of the Hong Kong flag. He is close to the bottom between the Israeli and Greek flags.

If you look at this picture, it looks like the bomb was dropped further down.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:00 AM

Animal Chin (175 posts)

48. Looks to me like he's holding with two hands

as if it were heavy. It's kind of an awkward way to hold a backpack actually.

On the other hand, these were taken approximately 90 minutes prior to the explosion. Would like to see some pics from closer to detonation.

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Response to Animal Chin (Reply #48)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 04:31 PM

WheelWalker (7,826 posts)

150. Agreed. With the thumb of the right in the waistband/belt for support, and covered by the left hand

offering plenty of support for a heavy load... and all the pics show him carrying it with hands in the same position

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:04 AM

ChangeUp106 (549 posts)

50. The More I Look...

The backpack he is holding and the one blown up look exactly the same. Again, *look* people. I'm no expert. He also seems to be holding it as if it's heavy.

And as far as another Richard Jewell, I'm fine with this as long as the guy's ID doesn't get out there (unless he's guilty). I don't support anyone finding out who this guy is, but stuff like this is probably helping the FBI.

Most people are leaning towards a domestic lone nut. I'm sorry, but this is what I envision that type of person to look like.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:05 AM

Animal Chin (175 posts)

51. Guy also seems to be alone

and not too interested in the marathon.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:17 AM

Demo_Chris (6,234 posts)

56. I spotted my own likely suspect

Spotted this potential perp and I cannot find her or her so-called bags in any after images. Note as well that one of the bags is on wheels suggesting it's heavy!

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #56)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:39 AM

demwing (16,916 posts)

99. You're fucking hilarious

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #56)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:49 PM

MrBig (640 posts)

148. +1

Finally some purposeful ridiculousness in this entire thread of ridiculousness

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:20 AM

justiceischeap (14,040 posts)

58. Are the FBI certain this is the bag that contained the explosives?

It could be that this guy was standing close enough to the blast to have his backpack blown to bits, isn't it?

P.S. I don't know a damn thing about explosives or how the bag would look if it contained the bomb and it exploded inside it, hence the question.

That said, those bags look to be one in the same.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #58)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:37 AM

jeff47 (26,549 posts)

97. If the bomb was in the bag, it will be damaged differently than if the bomb was next to the bag

For example, in the "next-to" scenario, the side away from the bomb would be much less damaged. If the bag was holding the bomb, then all sides would be about equally damaged.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #97)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:41 AM

justiceischeap (14,040 posts)

102. Thanks!

I'm guessing from the look of the bag, it actually DID contain the bomb, then.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:20 AM

Evasporque (2,133 posts)

59. bag looks heavy in hanging on his arm....nt

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:24 AM

MineralMan (136,753 posts)

62. What is interesting is that analysis of photos of the

crowds there is happening. This guy may have nothing whatever to do with the bombings, but this is exactly what the FBI is looking for as it searches the images and videos people are sending it. This kind of detail is remarkable, and people will be peering at and checking many, many photos like these over the next weeks. They will run down all of the clues.

Eventually, a photo will be found of the bomber. There were just too many people taking photos for that not to happen. Recognizing which photo among many is the right one is another issue.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #62)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:36 AM

cbdo2007 (9,168 posts)

70. There are hundreds of people taking pictures at the end of a raceline, so I'm sure someone got

something. Hopefully everyone who went knows enough to give copies of their data card over to the authorities to try to find it. I woudln't be surprised if there were 100 more videos out there too showing that immediate area right before/during the blast. The truth will come out eventually.

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #70)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:38 AM

MineralMan (136,753 posts)

76. I suspect that everyone who did take pictures or videos

is looking closely at them multiple times. Getting them to the authorities is the right thing to do, and most people will gladly do that.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #62)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:03 PM

Sheepshank (12,504 posts)

121. ...In addition, those people in the close vicinity in the picture

will be racking their brain with this little reminder, trying to think of any actions etc that in hindsight seems off. What an amazing tool this internets and cameras all are.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:25 AM

AzDar (14,023 posts)

63. K & R

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:33 AM

Wind Dancer (3,618 posts)

67. You might want to read this thread!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022689801

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:35 AM

MillennialDem (2,367 posts)

69. One reason why I'm not sure on this one - bag looks relatively intact if it was ground zero

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Response to MillennialDem (Reply #69)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:38 AM

kentuck (100,959 posts)

75. It wasn't an atomic bomb.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #75)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:59 AM

MillennialDem (2,367 posts)

83. I know that.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:36 AM

kentuck (100,959 posts)

71. He looks like Ted Nugent...

without his baseball cap.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:37 AM

Scruffy Rumbler (961 posts)

72. Well, Based on what people are saying here, I could be a suspect...except I wasn't in Boston.

When in a crowd, I often cary my backpack like this for a couple of reasons. 1. To keep it from bumping into people when I turn. Lots of kids and people shorter then I in crowds and hitting them in the head when I turn isn't polite. 2. When in a crowd like that, having it in front of you is safer then in back when it comes to pick pockets. As to supporting the arm carrying it? No matter how heavy or light it is, after awhile the dependent arm fatigues.

And as to it being blown apart? That can happen from the shrapnel/blast passing through it.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:49 AM

cbdo2007 (9,168 posts)

78. Here's another pic of this guy from a different forum:

http://www.the-mainboard.com/index.php?threads/explosion-at-finish-line-of-boston-marathon.121535/page-56

scroll down the page and you'll see it. Larger view of the crowd and he's not holding the backpack anymore. Interesting stuff.

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #78)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:04 AM

Marrah_G (28,581 posts)

84. I'm sure the FBI is going over all this stuff with a fine tooth comb

I know people were asked to send in pictures they might have taken in the spot or video etc.

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #78)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:19 AM

kentuck (100,959 posts)

87. It's difficult to see if he has his bag or not?

If not, where did he drop it? He was closer to the finish line in the other photo.

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #78)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:27 AM

Arugula Latte (50,566 posts)

90. If they have a clear photo of him no longer with the backpack, that is incredibly interesting.

Who just "leaves" their backpack in a crowd ...

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #78)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:37 AM

polly7 (20,582 posts)

98. I think he is still holding the backpack there, there's a bit of the light grey coloured

strap showing .... imho.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #98)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:08 PM

kentuck (100,959 posts)

127. But it may be only half as heavy as before...

It appears to be somewhat smaller to my untrained eye.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #127)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:15 PM

polly7 (20,582 posts)

134. That's true ... almost impossible to say.

In another photo set posted further down here there's a man bent over going through something right near to a little boy that's noted on the photo purportedly to be Martin Richard. I so hope they catch the right person/persons ... but will be more careful, because of what happened to Richard Jewell.

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #78)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:42 AM

abelenkpe (9,933 posts)

104. Also at your link

Yay! A new conspiracy theory to top the Sandy Hook truthers

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #104)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:47 AM

cbdo2007 (9,168 posts)

109. haha, yeah saw that. Didn't want to mention it here...for obvious reasons.

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #78)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:58 AM

Ganja Ninja (15,953 posts)

118. He still has the bag in that photo. You just can't see it because the woman in front is blocking it.

That's where he's first entering the crowd. Note the big black guy in the gray t shirt and sunglasses to his left (your right as you look at it) is in the photo. Then the guy turns toward him and starts into the crowd. Also the woman standing in front of him is behind him as he turns and walks away into the crowd.

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #78)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 01:27 AM

HiPointDem (20,729 posts)

174. he's still got the backpack. see the girl in pink behind him? now look at the pictures in this OP.

see the girl in pink & the man in front of her, same position, with backpack?

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:56 AM

Buzz Clik (38,437 posts)

81. Everybody is Sherlock Holmes. I have a bag like that.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:20 AM

Paul E Ester (952 posts)

88. Here is a collection with all the suspects so far, there are tons.

http://imgur.com/a/sUrnA

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Response to Paul E Ester (Reply #88)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:30 AM

Arugula Latte (50,566 posts)

91. But no other black-with-grey stripes, it seems, besides the blue-shirt bearded guy?

The backpack manufacturer will be able to confirm if the one the guy is carrying is the same as the remnant.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Reply #88)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:35 AM

Renew Deal (79,262 posts)

94. Here's another image going around with a completely different set of people.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #94)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:46 AM

Arugula Latte (50,566 posts)

108. Their bags don't seem to match the remnant, though.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #94)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:57 AM

Arrowhead2k1 (2,121 posts)

117. I bet one of those "brown guys" was the Saudi who was injured, interviewed, and cleared.

Nothing convincing here.

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Response to Arrowhead2k1 (Reply #117)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:58 AM

Renew Deal (79,262 posts)

119. I agree that there's nothing convincing

There are multiple sets of images all making differnet people look suspicious or guilty.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #94)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:18 PM

kentuck (100,959 posts)

135. Very interesting synopsis by the British

Thanks.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Reply #88)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:50 AM

grantcart (51,208 posts)

111. interesting.

Before seeing your link I was going to respond: Let me know when you have one with two guys with backpacks.

Allegedly the same guy without the backpack, trying to change his appearance.

Probably nothing but more compelling to me than the guy in the OP.

They are going to have pictures of a guy with and without a backpack.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #111)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:53 AM

mainer (11,078 posts)

113. Except guy in white hat doesn't have a jacket

While guys in earlier photos with backpacks do have jackets. I don't think it's the same guy.

First two guys look almost paramilitary to me.

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Response to mainer (Reply #113)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:56 AM

grantcart (51,208 posts)

115. Exactly. If you were trying to change your appearance, lose the jacket and put on a hat.

Not concluding anything, just more interesting than the original OP, IMO.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #111)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:08 PM

cbdo2007 (9,168 posts)

125. That doesn't look anything like the same guy to me.

In the OP, the bags look exactly the same.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:35 AM

kentuck (100,959 posts)

93. Grab him, Dan'l !

We have our man!

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:36 AM

Armstead (47,803 posts)

95. I'm not sure it's appropriate to make this viral.....

Whoever put this together should tell the authorities....But if this guy is just an innocent bystander, he could be in for a load of unjustified shit by having his picture spread all over the Internet

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Response to Armstead (Reply #95)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 01:39 AM

HiPointDem (20,729 posts)

175. the mob doesn't care about that stuff

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:39 AM

grahamhgreen (15,741 posts)

100. Bag looks a little small to be holding a pressure cooker of size, be nice to see the full shape.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:42 AM

bec (107 posts)

103. I am thinking he is holding

the backpack that way becasue everybody is so crammed in and he cannot put it on his back?

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:45 AM

mainer (11,078 posts)

106. He makes me think of Unabomber Ted Kaczynski

A younger version.

Ted was a Harvard student, wasn't he? Until he went off the rails and became anti-social.

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Response to mainer (Reply #106)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:10 PM

cbdo2007 (9,168 posts)

128. That's what I thought of when I first saw the picture too.

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Response to mainer (Reply #106)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:23 PM

SoLeftIAmRight (4,883 posts)

137. Theodore Kaczynski, a.k.a. the Unabomber, was a volunteer in mind-control experiments sponsored by t

Theodore Kaczynski, a.k.a. the Unabomber, was a volunteer in mind-control experiments sponsored by the CIA at Harvard in the late 1950s and early 1960s.

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Response to mainer (Reply #106)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:48 PM

MrBig (640 posts)

146. He makes me think of a random guy at the Boston Marathon n/t

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Response to mainer (Reply #106)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 06:16 PM

anneboleyn (5,611 posts)

158. Me too. Yes, Ted also was a prof at UC Berkeley.

He went to Harvard when he was sixteen. The picture of him as a young prof at Berkeley (before he suddenly resigned) compared to what he became later is just, well, alarming. Mental illness...not good.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:56 AM

Renew Deal (79,262 posts)

114. And another set

Last edited Thu Apr 18, 2013, 01:57 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:02 PM

drm604 (16,230 posts)

120. This should not have been posted on the internet.

It should have been sent to the FBI (which apparently it was) and not released anywhere else. Remember Richard Jewel?

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Response to drm604 (Reply #120)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:12 PM

kentuck (100,959 posts)

130. It's nearly impossible to keep anything off the Internet...

However, I must admit, there is a lot of circumstantial evidence from the photos.

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Response to drm604 (Reply #120)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:15 PM

Renew Deal (79,262 posts)

133. This is how these crimes are solved

A lot of times the cops will release a persons picture so they can get a name.

Also, there's a lot more people power than there is police power.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #133)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:41 PM

drm604 (16,230 posts)

144. The police did not post this.

If law enforcement decides that it should be posted then that's fine, but it's my understanding that that is not what happened. This Jester person took it on himself to publicly point out this person. It should have been sent to the FBI and nothing more.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:06 PM

AsahinaKimi (20,776 posts)

124. wow..

I wonder if that is the same bag..wouldn't that be something it it was a big lead.

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #124)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:28 PM

anneboleyn (5,611 posts)

167. CNN stated (live) that the FBI is circulating a photo

of a man holding a backpack with circles showing close-ups of the backpack -- highlighting the backpack's similarities to the material in the bomb. From the sound of the description, it is this photo. I have a feeling there is a rush to identify this person. Hopefully he is not just an innocent victim that has been singled out for attention. It would be an incredible lead if it turns out to be anything of significance.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:21 PM

Old and In the Way (37,540 posts)

136. Given the pervasiveness of camera phones and the thousands of vids/pic taken during the event....

it will not surprise me if crowd sourced photographic evidence helps nail the perp(s). It feels like the evidence is starting to close in on this/these criminal(s).

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Response to Old and In the Way (Reply #136)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:27 PM

kentuck (100,959 posts)

138. I would venture that someone in this thread is very close to tagging the culprit...

of that cowardly act.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #138)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:42 PM

MrBig (640 posts)

145. Or making an innocent person's life a living hell n/t

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Response to MrBig (Reply #145)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 04:34 PM

WinkyDink (51,311 posts)

151. AS IF the FBI isn't also scouring every photo around!

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #151)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 04:37 PM

MrBig (640 posts)

152. Yes, but

the FBI, upon drawing conclusions based on prior training and proper techniques, will take appropriate action against the culprit.

If this case is "solved" online or by the media to whatever standard they deem appropriate, they'll make that person's life a living hell.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:28 PM

NCTraveler (30,481 posts)

139. Could just as easily be a victim.

Parts of his body might be in the same condition as the back pack. My thoughts are with him if that is the case.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #139)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:30 PM

kentuck (100,959 posts)

140. Good point...

But what would a person be carrying in a bag that size to watch the marathon?? I can see a backpack for water, a snack, a book, etc. But a large heavy bag?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #140)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:41 PM

NCTraveler (30,481 posts)

143. I really don't know about a backpack that size.

Have you seen the other picture going around. Those two backpack are similar in size. I have been a spectator at the Boston and NY marathon. I had to prepare for about 6hrs worth of downtime. Showed up with the runner about an hour before the race, took him about 30 mins after the start of the race to actually cross the starting line, then about three hours after that. Then there was leaving after the race. One could easily fill a backpack to prepare for that time. Just a spare pare of shoes, clothes, book, and snacks and water could fill out a backpack. Things to sell to the spectators? Bibles to hand out? Could be many things.

The thing I find interesting about the backpack being shown here, is the lack of burn marks on the white fibers. This appeared to be a fast and intense ball of fire. Look at the ground where the bomb went off. You can see the scorch marks. Yet nothing on these very delicate fibers?

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:49 PM

Lawlbringer (550 posts)

147. He should be arrested

for that hair style alone.

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Response to Lawlbringer (Reply #147)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:51 PM

kentuck (100,959 posts)

149. He looks like one of the members of the Michigan Militia...

That was in the news back in the '90's...

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Response to Lawlbringer (Reply #147)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:07 PM

anneboleyn (5,611 posts)

164. Snort. Word!

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 07:45 PM

ThoughtCriminal (12,842 posts)

160. Speaking of photography and terrorists

I am extremely skeptical of this "identification", but when law enforcement does make a case, it will likely be thanks to one or more of the hundreds or thousands of photographs and videos taken.

Which leads me to my point (OK rant).

There has in this country - especially since 9/11 been a determined effort to restrict the rights of citizens to take photographs and record videos in public places. This is especially true in areas that are perceived to be possible targets for terrorists (bridges, train stations, airports). There is not even the slightest evidence that these restrictions are even the slightest deterrent to terrorists, yet people are harassed and threatened by security guards and law enforcement for the crime of pointing a camera at something.

The idiocy of these restrictions should be obvious. When a terrorists strike, what does law enforcement want? As many pictures as possible - before, during and after the attack. Public photography is not only a right, it is an essential tool to fight and deter terrorism.

There is an agenda behind photography restrictions that has nothing to do with public safety.

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Response to ThoughtCriminal (Reply #160)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:44 PM

anneboleyn (5,611 posts)

165. Great point thoughtcriminal. Thank you for posting this

Exactly. What should be done if it is crucial to have these videos and photographs (as it certainly seems to be in the Boston case)?

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:49 AM

HiPointDem (20,729 posts)

170. and if that's just some guy? i think it's irresponsible to post pictures with identifiable facial

features & claim they might be the bomber.

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 01:07 AM

HiPointDem (20,729 posts)

173. "we have to start some where" = didn't realize DU was in charge of the investigation

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Response to bamacrat (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 02:57 AM

ellisonz (27,186 posts)

177. Not convincing. Many people had bags containing changes of clothes and personal items for runners.

Moreover, if I am carrying an explosive device, don't you think I would try to avoid having someone bump into me? Why would I carry it like that and I agree that considering the likely wait of such a device that would be an extremely uncomfortable and dangerous way to carry it.

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