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Sun Apr 14, 2013, 09:39 AM

One child is holding something that's been banned in America to protect them.

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Reply One child is holding something that's been banned in America to protect them. (Original post)
Earth_First Apr 2013 OP
RKP5637 Apr 2013 #1
Cleita Apr 2013 #2
baldguy Apr 2013 #6
enlightenment Apr 2013 #26
sarisataka Apr 2013 #33
enlightenment Apr 2013 #34
sarisataka Apr 2013 #50
enlightenment Apr 2013 #53
Kablooie Apr 2013 #39
sarisataka Apr 2013 #51
bluemarkers Apr 2013 #41
Earth_First Apr 2013 #7
Cleita Apr 2013 #31
AsahinaKimi Apr 2013 #47
Cleita Apr 2013 #57
randome Apr 2013 #3
Bay Boy Apr 2013 #4
Laurian Apr 2013 #5
Arkansas Granny Apr 2013 #8
allan01 Apr 2013 #9
Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #10
alcina Apr 2013 #12
Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #60
nomorenomore08 Apr 2013 #61
Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #62
nomorenomore08 Apr 2013 #64
Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #63
heaven05 Apr 2013 #11
seabeyond Apr 2013 #13
alfredo Apr 2013 #15
seabeyond Apr 2013 #16
alfredo Apr 2013 #18
seabeyond Apr 2013 #21
alfredo Apr 2013 #22
seabeyond Apr 2013 #23
alfredo Apr 2013 #35
sl8 Apr 2013 #65
alfredo Apr 2013 #71
Llewlladdwr Apr 2013 #67
alfredo Apr 2013 #70
AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #73
alfredo Apr 2013 #14
aikoaiko Apr 2013 #17
alfredo Apr 2013 #36
aikoaiko Apr 2013 #38
alfredo Apr 2013 #40
aikoaiko Apr 2013 #44
alfredo Apr 2013 #45
aikoaiko Apr 2013 #46
AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #75
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bvar22 Apr 2013 #55
OriginalGeek Apr 2013 #80
Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #59
caseymoz Apr 2013 #19
Euphoria Apr 2013 #56
bobclark86 Apr 2013 #20
SCVDem Apr 2013 #24
onpatrol98 Apr 2013 #28
Hoyt Apr 2013 #30
alfredo Apr 2013 #37
AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #76
alfredo Apr 2013 #83
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alfredo Apr 2013 #87
cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #25
AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #77
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Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #29
msongs Apr 2013 #32
IrishAyes Apr 2013 #69
Rex Apr 2013 #42
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abelenkpe Apr 2013 #48
AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #78
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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 09:54 AM

1. +++ 1,000,000 +++

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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 09:57 AM

2. Little Red Riding Hood has been banned?

When? Have I been in a cave?

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Response to Cleita (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:05 AM

6. In this particular version, Red is bringing her grandma a bottle of wine.

 

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Response to baldguy (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:47 PM

26. In the original she brings granny a bottle of wine.

I checked (curious). Apparently it was sanitized early on . . .

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Response to enlightenment (Reply #26)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 01:27 PM

33. Get a book and read the original Grimm's

you won't even recognize some of the stories

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #33)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 01:44 PM

34. I did.

Children were a lot more resilient then - if they heard those stories now, they'd need to be in therapy.

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Response to enlightenment (Reply #34)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 04:29 PM

50. Maybe that's what is wrong with my kids

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #50)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 04:40 PM

53. Well, I don't recall reading the original Grimm tales to my kid,

but we did work our way through Shakespeare . . . and he survived Titus Andronicus, so I imagine the original stories wouldn't have bothered him too much.

I have to admit that I still occasionally have nightmares about "The Red Shoes". H.C. Anderson was damned bloody, too!

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #33)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 03:21 PM

39. Check out "The Grimmest of Grimm"

http://www.amazon.com/Grimmest-Grimm-Jacob/dp/0973709006

Cannibalism, child abuse, dismemberment, slaughter of innocents, the walking dead & deals with the devil.
Fun for one and all!

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #39)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 04:30 PM

51. Sounds like an excellent read

I'll have to pick up that one

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Response to baldguy (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 03:36 PM

41. I bought this edition for myself!

It's beautiful.




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Response to Cleita (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:07 AM

7. In two California school districts, yes...

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 01:20 PM

31. How absurd! eom

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 04:09 PM

47. Had it been a CALIFORNIA WINE..

All would have been forgiven, and the California Wine boards would be pushing PSA's to read the book, trust me on this one!

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #47)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 05:52 PM

57. LOL!

You are so right!

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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 09:57 AM

3. And the other is holding something that is wildly celebrated as protection.

 

When it often does the exact opposite.

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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 09:58 AM

4. I assume...

...the book is banned? Why?

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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:00 AM

5. Truly a picture that's worth a thousand words. n/t

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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:07 AM

8. OMG! It's was banned because an illustration in the book showed a bottle of wine.

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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:08 AM

9. re:One child is holding something that's been banned in America to protect them.

a banned book enlighens the world . robeling shame this is done

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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:10 AM

10. Worth pointing out that the title is actually a lie, and neither child is holding something banned.

One child is holding something that's been removed from a recommended reading list for silly reasons.

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Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #10)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:41 AM

12. Well, if you want it to be more accurate....

and equally ridiculous, just replace the book with a Kinder Egg.

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cms_ia/importalert_107.html]

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Response to alcina (Reply #12)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 06:33 PM

60. Yes, I do - I think dishonesty is counterproductive. N.T.

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Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #60)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 06:54 PM

61. But sometimes the spirit is more important than the letter, so to speak...

nt

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Response to nomorenomore08 (Reply #61)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 06:55 PM

62. The spirit of a lie is a lie.

Yes, "it's correct in all but details" is sometimes a fair defence.

No, the OP is dishonest in spirit as well as in letter.

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Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #62)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 06:59 PM

64. I think the only real "point" is that we aren't doing enough to protect kids from gun violence.

And while I don't think our gun laws should necessarily be as strict as say, the U.K.'s - you're British, correct? - I think they're closer to the right idea than we (Americans) are.

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Response to nomorenomore08 (Reply #61)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 06:56 PM

63. This is an "ends justifies the means" argument. Which is never good.

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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:22 AM

11. the

right wing politics/behavior in this country is downright SICK!!!!!! To think that the hypocrites would be able to ban a book because of a bottle of wine being shown/mentioned appalls me. Yet the AR-15 auto is the right thing to do. Amazing how SICK this country is and how down the toilet it's politics are. SICK! SICK!! SICK!!!

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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:45 AM

13. nah. doesnt work. the child would be allowed to walk the book into school and not the gun.

 

this one doesnt work.

the book was not banned across the u.s. and that would have to be books for this to work, not that particular book. it is not banned anywhere, just not a readers list.

and while that gun hasnt been banned, it is not allowed in any school or without proper papers, a child would not be holding it in public anywhere.

so, nah....

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:49 AM

15. It looks like a library, not a school.

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Response to alfredo (Reply #15)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:50 AM

16. ok. the child could walk the book into the library, and not a gun. nt

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #16)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 11:01 AM

18. It's not the setting of the image, it is the truth told. The right is more concerned over

our access to certain books than access to guns.

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Response to alfredo (Reply #18)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 11:09 AM

21. i am anti gun. and all over pro book. especially kids with books. but, the poster was not truthful

 

hence me making the initial post. i get what it is saying. but, personally feel it is a fail, in the untruthful category.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #21)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 11:24 AM

22. What is more a danger to children, a book or a gun?

The right wants to protect our kids from ideas, but do little to protect them from gun violence.

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Response to alfredo (Reply #22)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 11:25 AM

23. did you really ask me that question after i just made my statement. again....

 

that is not my issue.

my issue was the dishonesty of the graph. message.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #23)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 03:01 PM

35. You may be over thinking it. Most people spend less than a second looking at

advertisements, and this is an advertisement for gun legislation. They see the kids, book, gun, and text. That's it. The background only supports the innocence of youth.

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Response to alfredo (Reply #35)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 07:15 PM

65. What of the people who spend more than a second thinking about what they see?

Can their views afford to be ignored? Is the demographic of those who don't think for more than a second that large?

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Response to sl8 (Reply #65)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 12:01 AM

71. It's not aimed at gun fetishes.

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Response to alfredo (Reply #18)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 08:57 PM

67. Except that there's no "truth" here.

The truth is that neither the gun nor the book shown in the OP have been "banned". Claiming that the book has is simply false. I realized that just from reading the linked article. Makes me wonder what else the gun controllers are lying about.

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Response to Llewlladdwr (Reply #67)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 12:01 AM

70. Little Red Riding Hood is on the banned book list. I looked it up.

Two districts in California have banned it.

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Response to alfredo (Reply #70)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 01:20 AM

73. And the entire STATE of California has banned the weapon on the right.

Detachable mag assault weapon, no-go. Only weapons registered before the cut-off period can be possessed in that state.

OP is a false fucking dichotomy.

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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:48 AM

14. knr

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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:54 AM

17. The anti-gun folk just can't play the lie/distort/hyperbole game as well as the NRA

The book can be possessed by children without supervision legally and the rifle cannot.

Neither is banned in America per se.

No wonder new gun control legislation is failing so badly.

And, of course, if this had been pro-gun propaganda someone would be calling it child abuse to let that child handle the rifle.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #17)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 03:09 PM

36. In some regions the Christian right has forced schools and libraries to ban certain books.

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Response to alfredo (Reply #36)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 03:16 PM

38. Yes and in some anti-gun state that rifle configured so is banned


Like the NRAs rhetoric, there is often a kernel of truth in the propaganda.

It is what it is.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #38)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 03:30 PM

40. The truth is, the book is banned, the gun isn't. The book entertains kids,

the gun kills kids. Why are we defending a child from a book, but not a gun?


Gun users defend their guns like junkies defends their drug.


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Response to alfredo (Reply #40)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 03:44 PM

44. Are you really unaware that adults cannot buy that rifle new in some states?

The books are not banned from anyone's personal possession

It's a crappy rhetorical image.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #44)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 03:49 PM

45. It's available used? If it is so crappy, why has there been a long discussion about it?

Because of the discussion it has sparked, I think it is quite successful.

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Response to alfredo (Reply #45)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 03:54 PM

46. Well if that's the goal it worked.

I thought the goal was to reduce gun violence? Who knew it was designed so badly to create dialog on DU?



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Response to alfredo (Reply #45)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 01:23 AM

75. Again false dichotomy.

Book has been removed from reading curriculum, not banned for sale, and none have been rounded up and confiscated and burned.

New, that rifle is unavailable in that state. What do you want to do, round up the existing rifles and destroy them? Perhaps a bonfire of some sort. That would be lovely wouldn't it?

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Response to alfredo (Reply #40)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 01:21 AM

74. Book is banned in 2 districts in CA, rifle is banned in the entire state.

Do try and keep up.

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Response to alfredo (Reply #36)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 05:22 PM

55. And The Politically Correct Left has had books banned or removed from classrooms too.

Tom Sawyer
Huck Finn
Song of the South

and many others.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #55)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 02:31 AM

80. Wait, that was us?

god dammit.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #17)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 06:32 PM

59. I don't think photoshopping a gun into a child's hands is abuse... N.T.

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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 11:02 AM

19. Talk about ineffective.


For a minute, I was thinking this was a poor pro-gun poster.

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Response to caseymoz (Reply #19)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 05:25 PM

56. same here.

Until I saw the originator of the ad, I thought it was indicating support FOR guns to protect children.

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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 11:08 AM

20. More places ban such guns...

than such books. Two school districts verses several states.

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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:17 PM

24. I think that too many of you

are really overthinking this.

It's a 15 second impact piece meant to make you think on the idea and the dichotomy.

It does accomplish that. Many of our laws are insane.

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #24)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:53 PM

28. Actually...no,

It works if you think about it only 15 seconds...my mind immediately went to thinking, wait...that book isn't banned. And then, that's not the truth AND what idiot pro gun control advocate with give the other child a gun to hold to make a point about guns are bad for children? Not to mention...when did we start advocating using children as props? I'm thinking FAIL on may levels.

Instead of trying to make people afraid of losing 2nd amendment rights feel stupid, why aren't we passionate enough about this issues to simply talk to people as equals. The problem is a superiority complex on both sides of this argument...now, complicated by a lack of trust.

We can't have a honest conversation with people who don't want gun control, because they don't trust us. And, they don't trust us because we come into this issue with a holier than thou attitude that could put any religious wingnut to shame.

It feels good and smug to be right. But, it's a sucky way to get the protection our children and schools need. We need to get off our high horses and have real conversations that discuss background checks, mental health issues (especiall funding), our violent society and a host of issues. We'll never be able to make our children safer if we insist in this self gratifying urge to feel superior and prove we're intellectually superior than people who often simply disagree.

I would have been more impressed if the creator of the poster had posted a video with them sitting down with some who disagreed with them and discussed and listened to their concerns while expressing their own. Instead of trying to create some visual smack down while using a child to make a point.

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Response to onpatrol98 (Reply #28)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 01:10 PM

30. Hey, at least they didn't post a re-enactment of Lanza blasting away at little kids.


With Wayne LaPierre in the background smiling, and a bunch of gun cultists clinging to their assault weapons. Or, Christmas cards from the gun cultists standing in the way of much needed gun legislation:

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR1QtKkJ6z6lvROXG3MlllTqc1hBDfNjY8sQoDJRqGG2RaoDv_E

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR05x6QrF1totbgIptkyQHGcV-3HFaXQuSaFa1UH0DhsanbJuYD

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Response to alfredo (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 01:24 AM

76. And the rifle is banned in California.

So um. Not sure what your point was.

(The entire piece is dead wrong no matter how you look at it)

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #76)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 01:33 PM

83. Do you apply the same critical eye to the NRA propaganda?

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Response to alfredo (Reply #83)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 03:23 PM

86. I do so with ANY propaganda.

So, yes.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #86)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 04:45 PM

87. Good.

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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:38 PM

25. If dishonesty is the solution...

I ask for the Nth time, why are these infographics about guns usually bullshit?

How can a serious and legitimate problem (gun violence) prove so resistant to honest commentary?

I am not a gun person. I am, however, a truth and fairness person and it is F'ing obvious to me that there is no school district that requires children to carry an assault rifle, or makes such weapons available for the kids to check out from the school library.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #25)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 01:27 AM

77. The infographic is entirely dishonest, but it was intended in the other direction.

There are two school districts in California that have removed that book from their reading lists. (Not 'banned'.)

The implication of the graphic was that the book is banned, yet the gun is not.

Problem is, the book is not 'banned' and the gun, in California, IS banned statewide for sale. Those in lawful circulation are registered with the state. Rifles not registered carry criminal penalties if caught, the weapon is then destroyed, and no new rifles of that type can be sold in that state.

So, you took it the wrong way, perhaps, but even the correct way, the info graphic is a lie.

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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:52 PM

27. Why isn't thre truth good enough?

 

"An award-winning adaptation of the classic Grimm's fairy tale has been pulled from the recommended reading list because the heroine has wine in the basket she brings her grandmother."

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19900519&slug=1072598

Let me help you with the title:
One child is holding a book pulled from a recommended reading list.

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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:54 PM

29. I do not care for this ad at all.

 

Got to say, posing a young kid with such a weapon is a choice to be carefully made no matter what the 'reason' for doing so might be. I think this ad is not honest nor clear enough to excuse that exploitation. The book has not been banned in America, the gun is not legal in all of America. It is always illegal to arm a child for their protection even in gun happy states. The book is not illegal anywhere, not banned by any legal authority in fact it is an award winner. In America. If a book 'banned' by a couple of schools has been 'banned in America' then a gun which is illegal to carry in many cities, in all schools has in fact been more 'banned in America' than the book.
Ads which seem to promote literacy should be literate.

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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 01:24 PM

32. jesus played with wine in the bible yet bibles are not banned nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #32)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 09:28 PM

69. Point well taken

However, Jesus did not 'play' with wine in the Bible; he blessed it and drank it. In fact his enemies called him a 'winebibber', in modern terms a wino. This is not to say he really went around drunk, but everybody drank wine in those days and his enemies just accused him of over indulgence.

The fundies get around this by claiming the wine was only to cleanse the bad water and that the blessing to drink wine was removed as soon as modern society gained cleaner water. They also claim the fact that he blessed it was purely symbolic. Of course this flies in the face of their required literalism, but if you point that out, they start screaming at you and accuse you of attacking God rather than their own hypocrisy, which they claim to be non-existent. (You know they love to condemn us Irish-American Catholics to hell for drinking wine and a lot of other imaginary reasons.)

What I'm saying is that altogether I can't think of anyone less qualified to pass judgment on wine or even pictures of it than a bunch of crazy fundies who totally misrepresent the religion they claim to own.

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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 03:37 PM

42. I get the point.

 

nt.

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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 03:43 PM

43. I can understand how the book

 

Might be banned. But does the book protect America or even the little girl?

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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 04:12 PM

48. glad that moms demand action

disgusted by the responses from lame gun nuts to this post.

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #48)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 01:28 AM

78. Yeah, honesty and integrity. Who needs it, right?

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #78)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 09:31 AM

81. P O gun nut

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #81)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 10:40 AM

82. The truth is hard... I know.

There there.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #82)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 02:27 PM

85. P O truth nut!

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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 04:29 PM

49. god, we are sick. No, WE aren't sick...

We (here) are the ones who see the sickness.





fucking CONservatives, teatalibans, rw, pukes, christofascists....

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Sun Apr 14, 2013, 04:37 PM

52. K&R

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Sun Apr 14, 2013, 04:46 PM

54. Why was she riding in the hood anyway. She should carry a gun if she's gonna do that.

 

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Sun Apr 14, 2013, 06:03 PM

58. Wow! Thank you for this important post. That is terrifying

And thanks for the posting about this group, which I'd never heard of. The news this morning showed the speech that the Newtown mom gave during the President's weekly address. She was absolutely magnificent.

This is such an important issue. The world really is watching and wondering how Americans will handle this.

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Sun Apr 14, 2013, 07:56 PM

66. And what Feinstein's bill bans...

..is the pistol grip and adjustable buttstock on the rifle.

Yay progress! Remember this when she asks for you money, time, and vote.

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Sun Apr 14, 2013, 09:01 PM

68. Even worse, Little Red Riding Hood's granny is holding something that will send her to prison.

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Mon Apr 15, 2013, 12:23 AM

72. Book banning. A Republican tactic as old as time immemorable.

 

GOP:

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Response to blkmusclmachine (Reply #72)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 01:56 PM

84. Not actually happening here, though. N.T.

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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 02:20 AM

79. This could be why our educational system is failing.

We should never protect our kids from reality, we should be educating them about reality.
Is literary censorship a good thing?
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Am I the only one who sees the complete absurdity in putting something,(anything), in a child's hands the we deem dangerous?


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