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Thu Apr 11, 2013, 01:58 PM

I used to really like James Bond movies.

When I was a boy, I LOVED going to James Bond movies. When "Goldfinger", "Thunderball" and "You Only Live Twice" came out I couldn't wait to go to see them in the theater. As a young pre-teen boy I loved the fights, shooting and, of course, the girls in bikinis.

Recently, however, as I've watched some of these movies, the perspective of a young boy has evolved into that ofa near58 year old husband and father, most especially in the treatment of women.

What was considered to be simply a man taking charge in the 60s, is what I consider to be rape today. Since I'm not a republican and since I am a very pro woman feminist man, I am not pro-rape. I'll leave that to the paul ryans, todd akins and little ricky santorums of the world. I prefer to respect women as I was raised to do.

Will I watch James Bond movies in the future? Yes.
Has my view of them changed forever? Yes.

I am so glad that the whole notion of the "Mad Men" era that all a man had to do to have sex with virtually any woman was to decide to do so is (hopefully) a thin of the past? Hell yes! I remember my bastard of a father living with that mentality well into the 80s and over the course of 2 marriages! Yuck!

Do I notice attractive women in bikinis at the beach or tight jeans at the stores? Yes.

Have I ever even considered being unfaithful to my wife? HELL NO!

Thanks for letting me rant.

PEACE!

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Katashi_itto Apr 2013 #33
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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 02:20 PM

1. :)

I like what you said. I guess it's just part of the character. He goes all over the world, so he doesn't have time for a girlfriend or wife. Except that one time where he got married, and then they killed her. Oh jeez...

Well, anyway, thanks.

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Response to shenmue (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 04:31 PM

8. That was in "on Her Majesty's Aecret Service".

He was also married (though for only the purpose of his mission) in "You Only Live Twice".

Thank you

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 02:47 PM

2. I think that attitude also had a very bad effect on many women too, something between the saintly

(and usually quite angry) martyr to "purchasing" a meal ticket, as gold-plated as possible of course.

I think that may be ending now.

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Response to patrice (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 04:33 PM

9. We used to call it...

...going for the MRS degree.

I am very happy being married to a better and smarter woman than I am a person.

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 08:56 PM

15. I should say: I was married twice to a fine man each time. It DOES work when you're honest

and strong, but most of all, if you really do WANT it to.

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Response to patrice (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 09:04 PM

16. I agree!

I think that too many people don't realize that love is a CHOICE. I'm sure that both my wife and I COULD have been unfaithful more than once in the nearly 15 years that we've been married. It's not worth the pain and the distrust that results.

I also happen to be married to the most beautiful and wonderful woman on the face of the Earth (with the ladies of DU in a several thousand way tie just behind her)!

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #16)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 09:26 PM

17. That's right & keeping that choice evergreen avoids the martyr or goldigger syndromes.

I really like what you are saying, because I remember early on not being able to buy into the idea that love is parceled out and packaged up in various sized allotments to this and that person, but not to that other person. It wasn't just because I was <20 years old in the '60s, when we talked about and some people experimented with "free love"; it's more that whatever the details are, love itself has to be one thing, one phenomenon.

You either know what it is or you don't, but you manifest it with each person in full measure appropriate to who that person is, not the IDEA/abstraction of the person, but who concretely the physical manifestation is and, because, one of those relationships is one in which I made a special promise that is different from my human responsibilities to others, that particular aspect of the other relationships is not like that one, though those other relationships are in all other wise unique to the specific person who chooses to share that with me.

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Response to patrice (Reply #17)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 10:07 PM

22. Right!

Many people think that love can be parceled out and that you can only give so much to anyone before you run out.

After nearly 15 years married and almost 16 together, I love my wife more every day...my "rotten kid", too!

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 03:28 PM

3. Bond was different and distinctive in the early days, now just run of the mill shoot em up stuff nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 04:35 PM

10. Shoot em up...

...with fancy gadgets and a slew of "yeah, right" moments.

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 01:47 PM

33. Umm there were no "fancy" gadgets in the latest one. Just the opposite.

 

All he had was a radio transmitter and a Bio-metric locked pistol, a "Smart" gun.

In the movie Skyfall, James Bond is supplied a modified Walther PPK by Q, which has a biometric palmprint scanner on the pistol grip, which reads Bond's fingerprints and only allows him to use the gun. This concept originated in Licence to Kill, where Q provides Bond a bulkier rifle (disguised as a camera) with the same technology. In both movies, the feature comes to save Bond's life as an enemy henchman attempts to use his gun on him, only to be locked out by the biometric scanner.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #33)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 02:15 PM

41. I haven't seen any of the Craig films yet, but...

...thanks.

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #41)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 05:03 PM

67. The Craig Movies are radically different. They are a masterpiece of a reboot to the series

 

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 03:35 PM

4. I live in Issa's district. If I ever get to perform this song at one of his fundraisers, I'll do it!



THUNDERBALL

He always runs while others walk;
He acts while other men just talk.
He looks at this world and wants it all
So he strikes like Thunderball

He knows the meaning of success;
His needs are more so he gives less.
They call him the winner who takes all
And he strikes like Thunderball

Any woman he wants, he'll get;
He will break any heart without regret

His days of asking are all gone;
His fight goes on, and on, and on.
But he thinks that the fight is worth it all;
So he strikes like Thunderball

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Response to dogknob (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 04:45 PM

14. Old "grand theft auto Issa"?

We're lucky. Our rep is Chellie Pingree!

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 04:05 PM

5. I regret that I only have one rec to give this.

I enjoyed the movies, too, although there was always something that gave me an icky feeling about them. It wasn't until the latest round of feminism came around in the 70's that I realized what was making me uncomfortable. I was never fooled by Playboy and hated it from the minute I opened my first copy. Too bad, because the fiction was excellent back then.

I'm a woman, if you couldn't tell.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 04:39 PM

11. An "R" from a woman for this thread just makes my day.

Thanx! Yes, the stories (and many of the cartoons, especially Gehan Wilson) were very good back then.

At the time I was in my mid to late teens, so I enjoyed other parts of the magazine, too. Not now!

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 04:24 PM

6. Ever take a second look at Happy Days?

Great show.

But watch those episodes today and you notice something similar to what you're talking about regarding Bond's treatment of women.

The Fonz ... throughout the entire series, he's always snapping his fingers and women come running to him. The idea that a man just snaps his fingers and any woman comes running like a dog to its master. And all the times Fonz tried to teach Richie how to "make it with women." In one episode, he told Richie you just have to grab a girl and kiss her. And in the parking lot of Arnold's, Richie did just that ... grabbed some girl walking out of Arnolds, and forcibly kissed her. And Fonz then gave him the thumbs up.

I still love Happy Days. And the Fonz was a great character. But you look back at how the show depicted his treatment of women and you have to feel a bit uneasy, to say the least.

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Response to napkinz (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 04:43 PM

13. I also remember the Fonz...

...giving the guys lessons in how to remove bras.

In fairness, he also saved Joanie from some real turds in one episode that I vaguely remember.

PEACE!

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Response to napkinz (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 01:17 PM

28. Still some women chase the cool bad boy/man

http://rawjustice.com/2010/10/04/15-people-who-married-convicted-murderers/

I do agree with you that it was offensive as is Bond's approach to women. Of course the bad boys always did better in High School than the nerdy kids.

Neither one of my daughters would tolerate such behavior thank goodness.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #28)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 05:19 PM

69. The Fonz did have a lot of redeeming qualities

In a couple of episodes he fought racism. (One, he stood up to those who wouldn't attend Richie's party because an African American was invited. In another episode, Fonz and Al protested at a lunch counter that wouldn't serve African-Americans.)

Fonz actually came to befriend the nerds (Richie, Potsie, and Ralph) and fought against his old gang -- the Falcons -- who were still behaving like hooligans, looking to rumble.

He pushed Chachi to stay in school.

In many ways, he was cool BUT caring.

Just when it came to women ... he had this "attitude" ... as I said, snap your fingers and have them come running. He had a "filing cabinet" of women (think binders full of women, a la Romney) and pictures of all "his women" on his wall. And when he advised the guys on the show how to "pick up chicks" ... it just seemed, well, neanderthal.



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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 04:24 PM

7. The books are worse than the movies

The movies tone down the bitter hatred of women Flemming's books had.

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Response to Johonny (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 04:41 PM

12. I've only read some f the John Gardiner books.

It's too bad that Flemming's books disrespected women so badly.

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 09:37 PM

18. Not just James Bond. I also find Austin Power's attitude towards women to be unacceptable (nt)

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 10:02 PM

20. I never watched Austin Powers,...

...so, since I'm not a teabagger, I can't really discuss those films. Thank you, however.

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #20)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:06 PM

52. What exactly do those movies have to do with teabaggers?

 

This should be interesting....

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Response to Floyd_Gondolli (Reply #52)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:09 PM

55. Teabaggers talk without knowing about their topic.

Since I know nothing about Austin Powers movies other than that they starred Mike Myers, I don't feel comfortable talking about them.

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #55)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:11 PM

56. Gotcha

 

Thanks for the clarification. I was trying to think of what connection there could be and had been drawing a blank.

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Response to Floyd_Gondolli (Reply #56)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:17 PM

59. Thanx!

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 09:55 PM

19. I adore the early Connery/Craig films

They're fairly dark, escapist confections, centering around an antihero who battles monsters. Bond's contempt for women is part and parcel of his character, and should not be watered down.

Take away the connotations to "The bitch is dead," and you've stripped the gentleman killer of his intrigue.

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Response to DerekG (Reply #19)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 10:04 PM

21. Good point, but...

...I never considered the way that SEAN Connery was presented as an antihero.

I haven't yet seen any of the Craig films, so I can't really comment other than to say that he's young and has blonde hair. Thank you, though.

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #21)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 11:01 PM

23. Watch Casino Royale...now.

The dark implications of the character are laid bare, and your perception of the Connery of Dr. No and From Russia With Love will be forever altered.

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Response to DerekG (Reply #23)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 07:40 AM

24. I'd like to see that one!

I'll se if it's streaming on Netflix. A few months ago, my (then) 12 year old son went to "Skyfall" for his first date. They loved it but I also think that they may have been very excited about being on each of their first DATES!

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 07:50 AM

25. I actually think Bond reflects that current culture's idea of what a man should be.

 

Sort of a barometer. I love Bond movies, and you can see an evolution in cultural and social mores through him.

The current Bond is rather startling in that regard.

Personally, IMO I actually like him the best, he's a thoughtful Bond, when you get past the bravado, especially in this last movie.

The scene where he weeps over the dying M is striking.



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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #25)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 02:00 PM

35. Thanks for the videos.

I haven't seen any Daniel Craig Bonds yet. I'm sorry to see that M dies because I think that the great Judi Denshe (spelling?) is wonderful in the part.

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #35)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 01:09 PM

74. Personally I think she was the Best of the M's she lends a fantastic

 

quality and is in a sense Bond's conscience.

Sorry about the spoiler

But she is in all the Craig movies thru Skyfall. Plus Ralph Finnes is introduced as the new M and we even meet Miss MoneyPenny for the first time.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #74)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 03:58 PM

80. Thanks again.

I'm sure that Finnes will do a very good job, too.

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 07:56 AM

26. The Bond movies were a product and a mirror of their time

I find it interesting to watch them with the perspective of time having passed and how differently we thought then and now. Something obviously good happened in the intervening years to make such a difference. As a feminist I like to think I actually had some small part in making our societal views different, and, I hope better.

I think in the coming years we'll have the same reaction to our societal treatment of gays. We will actually be very uncomfortable when we watch movies where treatment of gays shows us how demeaning it was (is).

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Response to lunatica (Reply #26)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 02:04 PM

36. I hope that Rupert Everett's dream comes true.

He wants to play the first openly gay James Bondish character. The thing about him is thaas a straight guy, I can appreciate that he is a very sexy man.

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #36)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 03:55 PM

47. He has a very classy demeanor and would bring a lot to the sexy spy genre

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Response to lunatica (Reply #47)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:01 PM

50. He would certainly do a very good...

...Roger Moore level of suave.

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 10:20 AM

27. James Bond is supposed to be irresistible. The women were depicted as willing but it did

represent an unrealistic attitude. Todays James Bond, Daniel Craig, is ruled over by a strong woman.

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Response to Lint Head (Reply #27)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 02:08 PM

37. M has been a woman since Pierce Brosnan's films.

In Goldfinger, Bond definitely forces himself on Honor Blackman (Pussy Galore)!

PEACE!

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Response to Lint Head (Reply #27)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 07:33 PM

70. Which is probably why I think Daniel Craig is the sexiest one of all of them.

 

Or maybe I just have a thing for Daniel Craig, but he is extremely manly to me. There is a big difference between manly and macho. Manly men just are. Macho men are putting on an act to cover up for weakness and insecurity.

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 01:21 PM

29. Sean Connery was a gigantic misogynist

and you can see it in how he plays Bond.

Do I realize that this is not 1965 and you can't slap a woman on the ass anymore and say "Man talk" to make her leave? Yes, because I'm not a moron or a chauvinist. Do I still enjoy the movies? Yes, because they are a national treasure. Bond is Bond, and trying to water him down would make him something other than what Ian Fleming made him.

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Response to Arkana (Reply #29)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 01:31 PM

30. Would you say the character is sexist? Misogynist? nt

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Response to redqueen (Reply #30)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 01:39 PM

31. The character as written from the novels possibly. From the movies perhaps the earlier

 

incarnations. The current Daniel Craig version, no. He's more cynical about women than anything. Deep down this Bond is realizing also, that the years are beginning to wear long on him.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #30)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 05:00 PM

66. Connery's Bond was.

Roger Moore's less so.

As time progressed Bond became less sexist. Brosnan's Bond, I think, was peak suave for the character.

Then there was the pseudo-gay scene in Skyfall--which was groundbreaking for Bond, I think.

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Response to Arkana (Reply #66)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 05:05 PM

68. Yeah I saw that and went "Holy Shit" The Villian...REALLY REALLY likes Bond..

 

Bond was worried too...


The misogyny by Connery was addressed back in the Woody Allen written version of "Casino Royale" 1967

The Retired Bond "Played By David Niven
..From Casino Royale:

007
Hardly a description of that sexual acrobat who leaves a t-trail of beautiful dead women like blown roses behind him
M:
- You mean...
007
- You know very well who I mean. That b-bounder to whom you gave my name and number.


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Response to Arkana (Reply #29)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 02:10 PM

38. I don't think I suggested watering him down,...

...but he was definitely forcing himself on some of the women in the earlier films.

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 01:41 PM

32. I always thought Bond movies were sexist and stupid.

 

But I guess there's a huge enough audience for that and they do quite well.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #32)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 02:11 PM

39. I always liked them, but...

...now I'm starting to see the sexism in the early movies.

PEACE!

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Response to Whisp (Reply #32)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 01:02 PM

73. You would think that

 

Heaven forbid, you might view them as... you know, pure escapism.

"Large Audience" snicker

The Most Valuable Movie Franchises Of All-Time: 24/7 Wall St.:
2. James Bond ---Likely back to #1 now that Harry Potter is done.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/11/most-valuable-movie-franchises-all-time_n_1088393.html#s467431&title=2_James_Bond

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #73)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 01:10 PM

75. well, that's the thing, it's escapism for men

 

most movies and such are aimed at the male point of view and women are just things to play with and no matter how strong a female character can start off in a movie like a Bond, she always ends up subservient to the man in some way at the end of the movie. She is put in her place, over and over.

Simple formula: 1. Man meets woman. 2. They don't like each other at first 3. Flirts start anyway and we know they are going to do the jiggy jiggy push push. 4. The jiggy deed is done. 5. She is either an enemy evil spy or dead or humiliated by the end of the movie.

Next!

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Response to Whisp (Reply #75)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 03:48 PM

78. God you shovel it. Demographics

 

It's official. 'Skyfall' is the biggest movie in UK box office history.
Bond 23 has now taken £94,277,612 in just 40 days, beating the £94,025,632 record set by James Cameron's 'Avatar' in its entire 11 month release.

Amongst Women:
Although audience demographics were split around 60/40 male to female, that's about as close to equal as any action-thriller is ever likely to attract.

As for story-line, hate to break it to you, but there are only about 36 story lines that really exist.

I suggest you might go read some Joesph Campbell "The Heroes Journey"

The real trick is to make what ever story-line you use seem original.

Maybe you ought to go drool over Steel Magnolias or something. What part of "Action-Movie" genre don't you understand?

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-editors/why-skyfall-success-141909030.html

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 01:49 PM

34. Still love Bond movies.

The last one was really well done.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #34)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 02:12 PM

40. I haven't seen any of the Daniel Craig movies yet, but...

...my son really liked Skyfall.

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #40)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 02:15 PM

42. It's good.

The one before it, QUANTUM OF SOLACE however, is awful.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #42)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 02:16 PM

43. Thanx!

PEACE!

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Response to zappaman (Reply #42)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 02:39 PM

44. For good reason

"We were fucked."

Pressed about his involvement on writing scenes for 'Solace,' Craig reveals that there was really no other option, and adds an interesting tidbit that originally, the film wasn't supposed to connect to "Casino Royale" much at all. "Me and the director (Marc Forster) were the ones allowed to do it. The rules were that you couldn’t employ anyone as a writer, but the actor and director could work on scenes together," he explained. "We were stuffed. We got away with it, but only just. It was never meant to be as much of a sequel as it was, but it ended up being a sequel, starting where the last one finished."

"On 'Quantum,' we were fucked," he said plainly. "We had the bare bones of a script and then there was a writers’ strike and there was nothing we could do. We couldn’t employ a writer to finish it. I say to myself, 'Never again,' but who knows? There was me trying to rewrite scenes – and a writer I am not.’"

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/daniel-craig-says-writers-strike-fucked-quantum-of-solace-he-rewrote-scenes-with-marc-forster

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Response to pokerfan (Reply #44)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 03:56 PM

48. I didn't know that!

But the directing was awful as well.
So, the script is not all to blame...

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Response to zappaman (Reply #34)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:07 PM

54. As do I

 

But then again I'm not the type to politicize every aspect of our culture.

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 02:45 PM

45. James Bond is a sexist, egotistical, lying, hypocritical bigot.

 

And that is from another movie even! I LOVED JB as a kid and teen. As an adult I really don't care for the movies at all and see them as overthetop power/sex games of the elite - formula. Boring.

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Response to Rex (Reply #45)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:03 PM

51. I see all of those "qualities" in the character except for...

...the bigot part.

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #51)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:06 PM

53. I had to throw it in since it is part of the quote.

 

Okay how about he is a 'lowdown, good fer nothing, backstabbing, double dealing, larcenist perverted worm'? I know, doesn't fit but I like the quote anyway.

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Response to Rex (Reply #53)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:15 PM

58. Please...

...tell this apparently clueless old fudd what movie. I LOVE good sarcastic movie quotes!

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #58)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:22 PM

60. 9to5 and Heavy Metal

 

respectively.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9_to_5_(film)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_Metal_(film)

I haven't seen either in years...but recommend them both!


EDIT - hmm weird Wiki let me link to them in preview then double crossed me after I posted.

9to5 -9 to 5 is a 1980 American comedy film written by Patricia Resnick and Colin Higgins, starring Jane Fonda, Lily Tomlin, Dolly Parton, and Dabney Coleman. The film concerns three working women living out their fantasies of getting even with, and their successful overthrow of, the company's autocratic, "sexist, egotistical, lying, hypocritical bigot" boss.

Heavy Metal - Heavy Metal is a 1981 Canadian fantasy-animated film directed by Gerald Potterton and produced by Ivan Reitman and Leonard Mogel, who also was the publisher of Heavy Metal magazine, the basis for the film. The screenplay was written by Daniel Goldberg and Len Blum.

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Response to Rex (Reply #60)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:29 PM

63. Thanx!

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #63)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:35 PM

65. Very welcome!

 

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 03:41 PM

46. I always recognized the sexism of Bond movies, even as a little girl

 

Could never get into them.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #46)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:00 PM

49. As a young boy, I looked at them sort of like...

...Bonanza, Maverick or Gunsmoke without horses and with bikinis and sports cars.

Of course, girls do mature before boys.

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:12 PM

57. I dont see any one getting raped

All those bond girls seemed more than happy to get it on with James Bond, now in your later years you are seeing the Bond girls as the victims of rape????
Perhaps i'm missing your point..

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Response to jambo101 (Reply #57)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:25 PM

61. In some of the early Connery films...

...he certainly seems to be forcing the issue, especially when he forces Honor Blackmun into the hay about a half hour before the end of "Goldfinger" and to a lesser extent the nurse early in "Thunderball".

I'm not THAT old (yet) but seeing these scenes again recently on Netflix made me a bit uncomfortable. I was raised as a young man that if a girl and I were "necking" and she said to stop, than not only stop immediately but to break all physical contact.

Of course, I wouldn't expect a licensed to kill international spy to have the exact same outlook on the world that I do!

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #61)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 07:49 PM

71. He rapes Pussy Galore in Goldfinger to "fix" her from her lesbian ways

They toned it way down for the movie, but it is still pretty bad even then.

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Response to Johonny (Reply #71)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 12:55 PM

72. Where was it written that Pussy Galore was a lesbian?

I mean, that scene where he forces himself on her made me uncomfortable too--but I never got "lesbian" from her.

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Response to Arkana (Reply #72)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 02:33 PM

77. read the books

from wiki

In the novel, Pussy Galore is the only woman in the United States known to be running an organised crime gang. Initially trapeze artists, her group of performing catwomen, "Pussy Galore and her Abrocats," is unsuccessful, and so the women train as cat burglars instead.

Her group evolves into an all-lesbian organisation, based in Harlem, known as the Cement Mixers. (Pussy Galore is a lesbian as well.) In the novel, she has black hair, pale skin and the only violet eyes Bond says he has ever seen. She is in her thirties, her voice low and attractive. Pussy tells Bond that she became a lesbian after she was sexually abused by her uncle at the age of 12.

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Response to Johonny (Reply #77)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 04:02 PM

81. It was also pretty clear in the movie.

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:25 PM

62. Reflections of times.

Bond movies have been around long enough that they show a continuum of the popular culture from the early 1960s to today.

Take them for what they are -- popular entertainment.

For Bond movies as representative of cinematic arts, I suggest taking care not to judge the filmmakers of the '60s by today's standards ... just as reproving other creative arts such as Huckleberry Finn or Shakespeare or Homer or Picasso or Glenn Miller, etc. by 2013 mores is simplistic and superficial.

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Response to earthside (Reply #62)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:34 PM

64. I understand that they reflect the times, and...

...I alluded to that in my OP.

I'm also glad that those times are over. I always considered the smart Bond girls to be the sexiest ones, as I have always considered intelligence and strength to be the most attractive and sexiest qualities a woman could have!

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 01:14 PM

76. Saw my first Bond flick when I was 14. Loved it. I also like the latest trilogy.

 

The new ones may be the best of the bunch.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #76)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 03:56 PM

79. I still haven't seen any of the Craig films.

From watt I've heard he is very good.

PEACE!

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