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Wed Apr 3, 2013, 02:32 PM

Gun lobby to Congress:

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Reply Gun lobby to Congress: (Original post)
madamesilverspurs Apr 2013 OP
ellisonz Apr 2013 #1
Deep13 Apr 2013 #2
spin Apr 2013 #3
Deep13 Apr 2013 #4
spin Apr 2013 #5
Deep13 Apr 2013 #6
spin Apr 2013 #8
Llewlladdwr Apr 2013 #7

Response to madamesilverspurs (Original post)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 02:37 PM

1. That about sums it up. n/t

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Response to madamesilverspurs (Original post)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 02:43 PM

2. America to gun lobby: you don't matter anymore. nt

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 04:06 PM

3. If you are right, why isn't the AWB ban sitting on Obama's desk? (n/t)

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Response to spin (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 04:32 PM

4. Because Congress is composed of jellyfish.

Let them get beaten up by gun control advocates in the next electoral cycle and I think they will come around.

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 07:41 PM

5. There are 80,000,000 gun owners in our nation. ...

Add the voting age members of their families who enjoy shooting and you come up with a very powerful voting block.

Many gun owners believe what some politicians said recently which was, "The assault weapons ban is a good first step." Gun owners suspect the second step is to ban all semi-automatic firearms followed by all handguns. Therefore they will vote against any politician who supports strong gun control.

In states with a low level of gun ownership, gun control advocates may be able to pass strong gun control laws. However at the national level their efforts are made more difficult by the fact that each state gets two and only two Senators. A state with a small population that supports gun rights has the same voting power as a state that has a much larger population and supports strong gun control.

I fear gun control advocates face a difficult uphill battle if the goal is to ban certain or all civilian owed firearms. There are many effective things we can do to reduced gun violence in our nation but in my opinion talking about "bans" poisons the water.

But I might be wrong. Time will tell.

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Response to spin (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 07:44 PM

6. Most of those gun owners want universal background checks.

A lot of them are okay with magazine restrictions too. The NRA represents big business, including the suppliers for the illegal gun trade, and not their members.

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:31 PM

8. I support universal background checks but ...

it appears that the gun control advocates wish to couple this with a registration of the firearms sold beyond the current requirements that a gun store owner complies with. Once again the gun control advocates are overreaching and poisoning the water for effective legislation to pass as most gun owners do not support gun registration.

I personally feel that magazine limitations are a "feel good" law. Magazines can be swapped very quickly with just a little practice and gun massacres have occurred without the use of high cap magazines. Millions and millions of magazines with a capacity of over 10 rounds are in civilian hands today and are not date stamped or serial numbered so there is no way to prove when they were bought. The last AWB "banned" high cap magazines but they were always readily available if they had been manufactured before a certain cut off date. They were merely more expensive. Most of the regular shooters that I knew had several magazines with a capacity of over 10 rounds during the last AWB.

Of course the new AWB might be written to require that all high cap magazines be turned in or destroyed. The law would never pass in the Senate, let alone the House. Such a law can pass in some states and perhaps that's the most that can be achieved.

I feel that the state by state approach is the most effective tactic for strong gun control advocates to use for both universal background checks and magazine limitations.

What may pass in New York State or Connecticut may never pass in Florida or Texas.

(In passing I should point out that I do not own any assault style rifles or any magazines that have over a 10 round capacity. However if I wish to own one in the future, I would like to be able to purchase it. In fact if the prices of an AR-15 style rifle drops back to a reasonable level, I might break down and buy one.)







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Response to Deep13 (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 07:50 PM

7. Apparently, they matter more than you...

NT

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