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Georgia Police Hunt Killers of Baby in Stroller
Georgia police are going door-to-door in search of two young suspects who are accused of shooting and killing a 1-year-old boy as his mother pushed him in a stroller.
Sherry West, the mother of the child, told police she was walking her 13-month-old son, Antonio, in a stroller Thursday morning through their Brunswick, Ga., neighborhood when two African-American boys approached her and demanded money. When she told them she didn't have any money, West said one of the boys pulled out a handgun.
"He said, 'I'm going to kill you if you don't give me money,' and I said, 'I swear I don't have any,"' West told WAWS-TV in Jacksonville, Fla.
West said she tried to shield her child with her arms, but the gunman shoved her and shot the baby in the head. West was shot in the leg.
http://news.yahoo.com/georgia-police-hunt-killers-baby-184607088.html
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WTF?
Mika
(17,751 posts)If they threatened to kill the baby if she didn't hand over her purse, why didn't she?
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)the mother's account just doesn't smell right.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)What would smell better?
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Life Long Dem
(8,582 posts)I don't think the mother was stalking the boys for a stand your ground law.
FarPoint
(12,209 posts)Mom in interview was way too calm. My senses were alarming. I'll say I'm finding mom a person of interest.
Mika
(17,751 posts)Get some reading comprehension lessons.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)Get your lazy fucking ass out of my face." and not have to worry about her baby being killed by said pieces of shit.
cali
(114,904 posts)like that?
Frankly, I'm not buying Mom's account of this.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)Maybe the facts turn out to be false. However, that was NOT addressed in the post I responded to. The comment was that since she refused to turn over something she did not have, she is to blame. That is disgusting and bull shit.
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pnwmom
(108,925 posts)BRUNSWICK, Ga. (AP) Police arrested two teenagers Friday who are suspected in the shooting death of a 13-month-old baby in a stroller and wounding the baby's mother during an attempted robbery.
Seventeen-year-old De'Marquis Elkins is charged as an adult with first-degree murder, along with a 14-year-old who was not identified because he is a juvenile, Police Chief Tobe Green said.
Police announced the arrest Friday afternoon after combing school records and canvassing neighborhoods searching for the pair. The chief said the motive of the "horrendous act" was still under investigation and the weapon had not been found.
Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/crime/article/Police-arrest-2-teens-in-Ga-baby-killing-4375946.php#ixzz2OIzEgSnN
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Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)"not buying Mom's account of this".
Lets contort ourselves into pretzels to find a way to make this not the fault of the people who shot the baby.
It's not like they're truly bad people, like the people who watch porn.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Especially those that have just suffered an enormous trauma. Please do yourself and the entire planet a huge favor and just STFU.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)what Mom's account is. Two kids kill her child.
And you say "what Mom would put her baby at risk like that"?
Wow--this is what gun culture does to people.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Seriously, how does a "gun culture" have anything to do with a poster saying:
"what Mom would put her baby at risk like that"?
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)are so used to living in a climate of acceptance of gun violence that they don't even see the point--that nothing the mother did was responsible for her child getting killed. The problem is the access to guns. Anyone in a culture NOT saturated with guns would agree with me. No child should die this way no matter what the mother's reaction was.
This is what living in a gun culture does to people. They don't see the issue correctly. I'm sure you do, tho.
Here's some thoughts on the subject--
---http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/23/opinion/nocera-saving-children-from-guns.html?hp&_r=1&
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Mika
(17,751 posts)Proof is in the pudding.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)Proof is in the pudding (rape statistics).
You are disgusting.
Mika
(17,751 posts)Your knee jerking over something I never said surely must be tiring.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)A baby is shot and killed and your immediate thought is to pontificate on handing a purse over to a piece of fucking shit.
Mika
(17,751 posts)Even the police advise handing over a purse to avoid injury or death during a robbery.
Seems as though it is you who is doing the pontificating over her right to tell them to F off, damn the torpedoes, not seeming to care what tragedy resulted.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I don't walk around with one when I'm just out for a stroll.
Mika
(17,751 posts)http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/22/us/georgia-baby-killed/index.html
Rex
(65,616 posts)from the guy grabbing for it? She said she has no money, I personally would have handed it over to prove it myself - but we all do things differently. Maybe she thought it wouldn't matter, they grab for her and the rest we all now know.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Driver's license, credit cards, medication, phone, address book, family photos; all kinds of things that the owner might value but a robber wouldn't care about destroying.
If someone made a grab for my bag I'd fight like hell to keep it.
Mika
(17,751 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Because you have no assurance that a wacko kid with a gun isn't crazy enough to shoot you even if you do cooperate.
I'd go for the gun.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)you have no idea how you would react. If someone pulls a gun on you and threatens you, it is an unpredictable situation to say the least.
And it is all speculation whether or not they would have shot her anyway if she HAD handed over her purse. These thugs shot a baby, for heaven's sake. If they would do that, whose to say they wouldn't shoot her anyway?
spin
(17,493 posts)You only use the tricks I will teach you when absolutely necessary.
Suppose you are on a lonely street and your situational awareness fails you. You find yourself facing an armed person who asks for your wallet.
Look into his eyes as the eyes of the mirror of the soul.
If you feel that all he wants is your wallet just give it to him. You can always replace your money, your driver's license and your credit cards. You can't always replace your health and dead is dead.
However if you feel your attacker plans to hurt or kill you then you have absolutely nothing to lose by fighting.
I have always considered him to be a very wise sensei.
Look into his eyes as the eyes of the mirror of the soul? You sound like George Bush seeing Putin's soul.
spin
(17,493 posts)bitchkitty
(7,349 posts)for you.
spin
(17,493 posts)I have never been the victim of a mugger.
Of course the eyes are only one part of judging the aggression level of a person who might attack you.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)she didn't know they'd pull out a gun and kill her kid????
Good god, somehow this is the mother's fault?
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)And in the stress of the moment just said the true thing -- that she had no money in it?
How do you know they wouldn't have killed the baby anyway?
Mika
(17,751 posts)They had a gun. Used it on her for not handing it over. Threatened to shoot the baby if she didn't hand it over. The shooter proved that he will escalate if she didn't comply.
The odds at that moment were far greater that her baby would be shot if she didn't hand it over.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Mika
(17,751 posts)So, I guess on that, they did tell the truth.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Why do so many here think the mom is involved? Was it something the police said?
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Other than being pretty hypocritical.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)raccoon
(31,089 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)That she made a mistake?
Even though we'll never know if the baby might have been killed anyway. She didn't have the money they wanted.
"He asked me for money and I said I didn't have it," she said. "When you have a baby, you spend all your money on babies. They're expensive. And he kept asking and I just said 'I don't have it.' And he said, 'Do you want me to kill your baby?' And I said, 'No, don't kill my baby!'"
Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/crime/article/Police-arrest-2-teens-in-Ga-baby-killing-4375946.php#ixzz2OJ0YKx57
Mika
(17,751 posts)Despite the multiple knee jerk reactions, I am simply asking why, if her baby was threatened if she didn't hand over her purse, why didn't she just hand it over?
And not given enough time to rationalize the situation?
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)as well as yours is, while you're sitting and typing on your computer?
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marions ghost
(19,841 posts)People who have never been on the wrong end of a gun have NO idea. I have --5 times--in very ordinary situations (no, I'm not a war correspondent).
You can't think. You go numb. You don't react "correctly"...
riqster
(13,986 posts)Dodge all you want, but you are blaming the victim.
Mika
(17,751 posts)Other posts here do (by attributing some brain malfunction, hormones, stress, etc etc). I simply ask why.
Rex
(65,616 posts)a knee jerk reaction AND since you are playing with syntax, the boys DID NOT ask her for her purse. They demanded MONEY. Why do you assume the two things mean the same thing? That is kinda knee jerky...but carry on.
Mika
(17,751 posts)Nice attempted shift, though.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I gave you reasons why she maybe didn't give them her purse.
Mika
(17,751 posts)My apologies.
Rex
(65,616 posts)and you cannot help but appear to be replying to whoever is right above you. I just wanted to make sure you knew I was NOT accusing you of blaming the mother.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)was well within the norms in that totally shocking, abnormal situation.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,152 posts)that people use when they realise they've dug themselves into a shitty hole. You're not going to come out of this looking good; why not just stop now?
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)when you don't have a gun shoved in your face.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)if you've never tried it, I don't recommend it.
Staring at a gun barrel messes you UP!
Yes it does.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)living in FL, drove into her own driveway and a guy jumped out of the bushes and pointed a gun at her head (her kid was in the back seat). She went completely hysterical batshit insane on the spot, threw everything in the car out at him. He picked up the purse and ran. She has never gotten over it. Paranoid to this day. And one of the things she says is how her brain turned to jello with fear.
Rex
(65,616 posts)long story short, cop with a HUGE revolver about 3 inches from my face yelling at all of us to get out of the car. We did and paid for our stupidity. NO ONE ever forgets it. I'm 41 but can call up the exact image in my mind of that moment like it happened 5 minutes ago. I can see every detail in my mind, all focused around the end of that huge revolver. The hole pointing right at my head.
Set my ass on the path of law abiding citizen, I can tell you that. Otherwise, I was scared shitless and waiting to be shot at point blank range. Thankfully we were not THAT bad. No one ever forgets a gun to the face. I am surprised I did not shit my pants that night.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)--old crazy man on meds, steroids, etc--out of his mind, with nobody responsible monitoring him. Long story. But I went completely numb, couldn't talk, move, nuthin. Froze. Somebody else talked him down.
Anybody who says they could "do the right thing" whatever that may be --when staring down the barrel of any kind of gun has never been there. Sounds like the cop was a little out of control? Or did he have to do that to get control? Anyway seems it made an impression, just as my experience did.
Rex
(65,616 posts)And they had every right to be worried. The guns drawn and in our faces was, I believe, the cops (all of them) way of scaring the living shit out of teenagers that new better.
Ya...nobody understands until they are staring down the barrel of a gun and can see the bullets inside, ready to kill at a moments notice. I was waiting to die.
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sendero
(28,552 posts)... that most folks do not think clearly when someone is waving a gun in their face.
Fact is, this is 100% the kid's fault if it went down as she said, and no punishment, I mean NONE in this country, is enough for the shooter.
Unfortunately the way most laws are written the accomplice is just as culpable as the shooter. His life is over because he hooked up with a monster.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)any business second guessing the mom. Until you are in exactly this situation, you cannot tell me how you would react. You can say anything you want about what you might do. But what you actually do in this situation, I hope you never find out.
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theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)But I doubt you even comprehend why.
rainy
(6,083 posts)How did you come to conclude she had a purse?
Mika
(17,751 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)being waved at her baby, saying "give me your money." I'm guessing she panicked and just answered his demand for money by stating the obvious, that she didn't have any. He didn't ask for the purse. That's my guess...that she panicked and couldn't think fast enough what to do.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)But purses can save them.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)Great logic.
love_katz
(2,562 posts)even if she did give them her purse.
We seem to be experiencing an outpouring of all the foul and horrible social/mental/spiritual pollution that flows below the surface of our society. A disgusting surfeit of efforts to selfishly benefit by committing violence against others... ...I don't know really. These kinds of events just leave me floored, angry, and despairing. Just gross.
cali
(114,904 posts)before you freak out.
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cali
(114,904 posts)ring true to me, dearie.
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RebelOne
(30,947 posts)The juveniles who did this have been arrested.
love_katz
(2,562 posts)MineralMan
(146,192 posts)for the shooting. I'd be embarrassed at jumping to the conclusions you jumped to.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)before you accuse the victim.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)The story says nothing about her having a purse.
Mika
(17,751 posts)http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/22/us/georgia-baby-killed/index.html
Beaverhausen
(24,466 posts)did I miss something?
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)Who carries a purse when they're pushing a baby around the neighborhood in a stroller?
Mika
(17,751 posts)http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/22/us/georgia-baby-killed/index.html
liberalmuse
(18,670 posts)Were you there? Have you ever had a gun pointed at you and had your child's life threatened? It's easy to judge what someone should have done or not done after the fact, but blaming the mother who lost her child to this heinous crime, and questioning her reaction to having a fucking gun pointed at her baby's head is beyond heartless. You weren't there. I thought DUers had more compassion than this.
Mika
(17,751 posts)Try rereading my post (while not jerking your knee).
dionysus
(26,467 posts)I didn't see any mention of a purse
Mika
(17,751 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)patricia92243
(12,590 posts)I have never seen a woman walking in the park with her purse. May be different with baby in stroller, but I doubt it. She probably had a diaper bag and probably a cell phone but not necessarily a purse with money.
Mika
(17,751 posts)"The boy tried to grab her purse"
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/22/us/georgia-baby-killed/index.html
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)She just responded with the fact that she didn't have any $ and didn't think to give the purse. That's just a guess.
What kind of awful person could shoot a baby in the face. Awful. Evil person. So horrible. That poor little baby.
I'm wondering, though, why she was walking alone with a baby and a purse. A purse is a flag that there may be possessions in it that may be worth stealing. I guess it was a safe neighborhood, so she didn't think about it twice. But I don't think I'd go strolling with a purse in view. But I live in a largish city.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)Why didn't the murderers back off when she said she had no money? In fact, why didn't they decide not to be robbers?
Killing a baby point blank: maximum sentences. Death, if it's available.
I don't know who this woman is, but if she is really poor then that puts a whole different attitude on material loss. A small loss of money or time (such as taking a day off from work to get a new driver's license) can be catastrophic. So, "it's just a purse" which sounds sensible to a middle class person sounds like a crass, out of touch remark to a really poor person.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)Response to Mika (Reply #1)
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onehandle
(51,122 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)Maybe that's the wrong way of looking at it, but denigrating those who disagree will not win any converts.
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Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)but not in America where guns are very easily accessible.
You can thank the NRA and their right wing enablers.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)HTH
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)20 kids slaughtered by an AR-15 is not shocking.
It just isn't shocking. Really, it isn't.
This is America, the gun nut utopia and world laughingstock.
NutmegYankee
(16,177 posts)Why the statewide moment of silence? Why the memorials and tearful candle light vigils?
Sorry to burst your bubble, but as a resident of Connecticut, it was very shocking.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)My reaction to Newtown was anger and outrage, but not shock or surprise because I know what kind of country this is.
Columbine, Newtown, Aurora, Virginia Tech....the list goes on.....
It no longer shocks or surprises me.
Sorry. Everyone is free to have their own reaction.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)What puts those kids on the street ready to threaten and kill for money?
Where did they even get that from?
Where are the parents?
Where are the morals?
They're emulating what they've seen their "father figures" or other mentors do.
Hell, they might have been trained to do this.
Or it could have been a gang initiation.
How does taking guns from those who have them from self protection stop this?
What gun law could you possibly pass to prevent this?
Chicago's got some of the toughest gun laws in the country. And the gun violence rate there?
If the woman in this story had had a gun, her baby might still be alive.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)A lot of kids like this, sadly end up going sour thanks to crappy home and/or school environments, particularly where physical and/or psychological abuse is involved; really, in many, many, cases, it's just a tragic case of garbage in, garbage out(and also notice, on the flip side, how free-range kids usually don't turn out like this, unlike what some right-wing talking heads would like to claim).
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Republican gun nut talking points are spouted by Republican gun nuts.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Not seriously.
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(19,768 posts)Response to Skip Intro (Reply #95)
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wryter2000
(46,016 posts)It could be a parenting problem compounded by the presence of a gun. Both situations are necessary and neither is sufficient, unless you think he could have done this with a knife.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Kid kills another kid with a gun. And you have to nerve to ask if there was "bad parenting'? What is this but bad parenting? Where did they get the gun?
I really am amazed that anyone could bring up the right wing talking points in the face of this.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)I agree. People are just not shocked in America like they are in other countries. I have relatives in Australia (who have lived there 30 years and married to Australians).
They DO NOT understand this. Why Americans want to live under these conditions.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)marions ghost
(19,841 posts)because killing is so ordinary here. Nothing unusual.
The Newtown kids were babies too. But people don't care enough to enact effective gun controls, do they?
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)To some, gun controls aren't the answer. That doesn't mean they are not shocked by someone shooting a baby in the face.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)to get off the "gun controls aren't the answer" knee jerk Bandwagon. What DOES it take? Maybe when we're all afraid to go anywhere without a gun?
NPR did a good segment today--comparing gun controls in New Jersey and Virginia. Check it out. Amazing the difference --and the correlation with fewer murders and suicides in New Jersey.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)your ideology and righteous indignation seem to outweigh your sense of "caring;" you just have to blame.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Too many people drink the koolaid from the gun manufacturers & NRA, just like they drank the koolaid about the Iraq War. Of course there's a cultural connection.
Please read this article:
http://www.npr.org/2013/03/21/173815829/on-gun-ownership-and-policy-a-country-of-chasms
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)We've never really pushed for victory, and now have more people and a higher percentage living in poverty than there were in 1964 when President Johnson declared war and introduced legislation.
If we were doing it right we'd have a smaller dependency class, not a larger one.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)I was talking about guns?
Yeah America is messed up in many ways...I don't know why people put up with it.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)There were no background checks, no classes of people prohibited from possessing firearms, no system of licensing for gun dealers, a much higher percentage of households had guns than do today; yet violent crime was near an all-time low.
Violent crime today is actually on a long downward trend in spite of the vivid reporting of every shooting in the media.
By all means talk about guns, but frankly I think the real problem is something else.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)The United States is responsible for over 80% of all the gun deaths in the 23 richest countries combined.
So you want to live in a Banana Republic?
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Not just window dressing.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)all of the problems.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)How very tolerant you are, once you've been given a self-righteous license.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)them "not caring" and you...the "caring" one. Hmmm. That's just a little bit arrogant about your own opinions of things, isn't it? Only your solutions are the right ones?
BTW...most people, according to the polls, want assault weapons banned, high count mags banned, and universal background checks. But things like this situation - I don't see how an evil, screwed up person who takes a woman and child by surprise can be stopped, if he wants to kill a helpless baby.
JI7
(89,173 posts)report seems like the story isn't as the mother claims to be.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)bluestate10
(10,942 posts)be wrong, but I am not getting the right vibes about this.
kudzu22
(1,273 posts)I don't want to say what I'm thinking but something with this story doesn't smell right.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Unlike the lady who drowned her kids years ago and was "crying" on tv...I didn't buy that. She sounded fake to me. I said that at the time. The cops were on to her from the start.
But this lady....real tears, sobbing, gulping while trying to speak.
This is true.
kudzu22
(1,273 posts)So tragic about the baby, though.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)before drawing any conclusions at all about this. I have no idea. I wasn't there. I don't have enough information to even try to know.
Maybe I'll hear what happened someday. Maybe not.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)I'm about 50% willing to buy her story.
BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)Mika
(17,751 posts)BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)alphafemale
(18,497 posts)They will go for the Death Penalty on this one
For the older one that actually shot a baby in the face.
If the younger one cooperates and was little more than a witness he may still be tried as a juvenile.
Marr
(20,317 posts)I'll wait to see how this turns out.
lefty_mcduff
(1,430 posts)timdog44
(1,388 posts)Other than the fact that two young boys shot and killed this mother's baby and shot and tried to kill her.
And the person who said that if she had had a gun, this would not have happened is in dream land. The statistics do not prove this out.
All kinds of things are coming out in this thread except what happened. Two boys killed a baby. Appalling. And this and only this is what should be addressed here.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)This thread alone indicates a lot about how Americans have been conditioned to accept gun violence.
This is insanity. Two boys killed a baby and there is any way to look at it other than barbaric?
timdog44
(1,388 posts)what I have been trying to say on all the multiple threads on this story. Two boys killed a baby. Period. No ifs and or buts. Nothing smells bad except the killing. Barbaric covers it, barely.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)but am really shocked to read through this one...
Even some of the right wingers showed up to defend the gun uber alles. I am amazed. Things are even worse than I thought. Has DU been hijacked by the NRA? This would be one thread where you'd think they'd be too ashamed to show up.
And then the people questioning the mother of the killed boy rather than the parents of the killers--the likely gun owners (we don't know yet, but likely). It does not matter what she did or didn't do correctly. Her child is dead.
timdog44
(1,388 posts)on the other threads. "If the mother had a gun, this would not have happened" and that kind of BS.
"We want to see pictures of the kids". I want to see the pictures of the people to whom the guns are registered or suppose to be registered, or should be registered.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)"I want to see the pictures of the people to whom the guns are registered or suppose to be registered, or should be registered."
++++++
Prosecute the owners if children commit gun violence.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)is what brings out the cynics..
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)So clearly the police believed her story, whether these teens are guilty or not.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)No handgun was found
and the boys were arrested, based on attendance records
REP
(21,691 posts)Charles Stuart especially, who blamed a fictional black assailant for killing his pregnant wife and inflicting a gunshot wound to himself, when he in fact did both.
raccoon
(31,089 posts)REP
(21,691 posts)Her 18 year old son was trying to kill another teen, but his victim managed to get the knife away and kill his attacker in self-defense. If nothing else, it is a sad coincidence that her infant son was killed by a teen the same age as her other soon, who was also violent.
REP
(21,691 posts)It makes sense later on, when the description of the two unsubs is given, but not when describing the crime. Saying two children under the age of 16 is more relevant than their race.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)...especially when the suspects are still at large. Everyone needs to be looking out for them.
REP
(21,691 posts)RebelOne
(30,947 posts)the race of the boys was never mentioned.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Zax2me
(2,515 posts)You can say it isn't?
Then race is relevant.
Unless they also have a record of shooting a non-white baby, in a stroller, in the face, then I'd like to know what they were thinking.
Catherina
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Then he fired at her head and the bullet grazed her left ear - she has a small scab and bruising there. He fired again and shot her in the left leg above the knee. "I didn't know I was hurt."the mother was the only witness to what happened.
"The boy proceeded to go around to the stroller and he shot my baby in the face," she said. "And then he just shoved me when I started screaming and he ran down London Street with the little boy.
... the mother was the only witness to what happened.... It's not the mother's first loss of a child to violence.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/22/antonio-santiago-west-dead-georgia-baby-killed_n_2931273.html
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JI7
(89,173 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)it would have been possible for someone to see that it's fake, so she wouldn't have done it in plain view like that.
Second: she had real tears. Those are hard to fake.
Re the first loss of a child to violence...I looked that up. He was an adult, at 18, and he got stabbed when he and some other guys tried to attack and rob another young man, who was able to get the knife from her son and stab him with it. The guy who was attacked was not charged.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)And had obviously immediately ruled her out as the shooter.
Do you people blaming the victim think that there is no physical evidence from the crime scene, and the police are only taking the mother at her word?
Really?
patricia92243
(12,590 posts)child to violence" is blood curdling. I would like to read the whole article
Thanks
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts).
It's not about guns, it's about craziness out there.
http://news.yahoo.com/police-arrest-2-teens-ga-baby-killing-204023308.html
sad...
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)Sorry about that.
timdog44
(1,388 posts)I find it disgusting that the people here on DU are blaming the victim. Or saying if she had a gun it would not have happened. Everything that progressives stand for is coming unraveled. And like I said on another thread, I am ashamed and disgusted. I even served on a jury to some hateful thing said in regards to the victim's position and voted to hide it. 3-3. Again I am ashamed.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)and they pick those who are vulnerable. Evil, awful people.
lib2DaBone
(8,124 posts)This is the result of giving Billions to Israel and Egypt.. and not a penny to America.
And BTW.. the more they give to foreign countries.. the more they claim Social Security is at fault.
REP
(21,691 posts)This is not an exclusively American, nor "inner city" problem.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Zax2me
(2,515 posts)And remember, just four years ago - everything was going to be different?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)But it's like the old Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times".
MiddleFingerMom
(25,163 posts).
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... and the big New York news was about somebody threatening babies in strollers with
a knife unless the mothers gave up their purses.
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New Yorkers. Almost to a person, they told him to go fuck himself... and he ran away.
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If I encountered someone sick enough to threaten a baby... let alone MY baby... I would've
given up EVERYTHING and asked if there were anything else I could do. Sir.
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Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)To change until we quit obsessing over inanimate objects and focus on the human side of violence in America. Feel goodlaws wont stop this.
appleannie1
(5,044 posts)She was a single mom with a baby who walked to the post office pushing her baby in a stroller. She probably did not have money to give the brats that accosted her. After all, she was shot first. Just what was she supposed to do? Wave a wand? Wiggle her nose? She is the living victim that will never be able to watch her baby grow to adulthood and people here are blaming her. It is disgusting.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)This is a simply horrific story.
appleannie1
(5,044 posts)story will get more common unless something is done about it.
Keefer
(713 posts)what, exactly? I have a few suggestions, but I want to hear yours first.
octothorpe
(962 posts)I don't even think most low-life criminals would murder a baby like this. This is like crazy psychopath shit, isn't it?
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Template = White single mom kills her own kid(s) and blames it on two black guys.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)He killed his wife,unborn child and shot himself in the leg...and blamed it on 2 black guys
Yes...there is a template for shifting blame, but typically LE will look at mother,father,parent,husband first anyway..
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Response to appleannie1 (Reply #177)
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Zax2me
(2,515 posts)If De'Marquise Elkins is convicted, each and every family member who has spoken to police and claimed he was with them at the time he was shooting a baby in the face - should be prosecuted.
If they got 10 years each I'd be happy - death for the shooter, life for his flunkie that was on scene.
family members say he wasn't anywhere near the scene.
"He was with us the whole time," said Freeman, adding that she gave police the same account of her nephew's whereabouts. "There is no doubt in my mind that he is innocent."
http://www.theitem.com/news/ap_news/ga-woman-says-she-s-certain-suspect-shot-her-baby/article_eb15fe08-379a-598a-9786-57b442fb227d.html
madville
(7,397 posts)They are charging him as an adult.
http://www.ajc.com/ap/ap/top-news/police-arrest-2-teens-in-ga-baby-killing/pqHNm/
applegrove
(118,017 posts)crime. They won't. America doesn't kill kids I hope. But I don't blame her for feeling that way. I hope the press leaves her alone from here on in.