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SAN DIEGO (AP) An attorney representing a family bent out of shape over a public school yoga program in the beach city of Encinitas filed a lawsuit Wednesday to stop the district-wide classes.
In the lawsuit filed in San Diego Superior Court, attorney Dean Broyles argued that the twice weekly, 30-minute classes are inherently religious, in violation of the separation between church and state.
The plaintiffs are Stephen and Jennifer Sedlock and their children, who are students in the Encinitas Union School District.
"EUSD's Ashtanga yoga program represents a serious breach of the public trust," Broyles said. "Compliance with the clear requirements of law is not optional or discretionary. This is frankly the clearest case of the state trampling on the religious freedom rights of citizens that I have personally witnessed in my 18 years of practice as a constitutional attorney."
Superintendent Timothy B. Baird said he had not seen the lawsuit and could not directly comment on it, but he defended the district's decision to integrate yoga into its curriculum this year.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/california-school-district-sued-over-yoga-program
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)kairos12
(12,843 posts)elleng
(130,746 posts)rurallib
(62,387 posts)EastKYLiberal
(429 posts)A lot of my worst memories from school came from PE classes.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Freddie
(9,257 posts)Where DH went to HS, marching band got him out of PE; no such luck at my school
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Then again, marching practice began three weeks before school started, in the Houston area. In August.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Here in Arlington, they start in June to prep for the 4th of July parade. The. They get a couple/threes weeks off and start up again.
I'm glad I was orchestra (cello) in HS and not band.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)especially now. For some kids the only physical activity they get is in PE. Better monitoring is needed, not cutting it out.
wickerwoman
(5,662 posts)PE should teach kids how to keep themselves fit (i.e. their choice of weights, cardio, boxing, running, swimming, tennis or badminton, team sports if they're into it, etc.)
Where PE becomes a living hell is with it's crap attempt at social engineering and "building team and leadership skills" led by ex-jocks who think being bullied or humiliated is character building.
If I'd been allowed to just do circuit training on my own in gym class instead of sitting around a softball outfield I'd probably have much better fitness habits that I do now.
JI7
(89,241 posts)if they don't have interest in any of the sports.
i always liked the days when we had to walk or run around a track because i hated team sports .
i was ok if they allowed us to do what we want like if a few friends decided to go to the basketball court and just take turns trying to throw the ball in the hoop.
but i HATED team sports. those who are into it coudl do it. but there really is no point in pushing those with no interest to play those competitive games .
MattBaggins
(7,897 posts)If they are teaching any of the spirituality or having students learn mantras, then they are violating SoCaS
wickerwoman
(5,662 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 22, 2013, 05:11 AM - Edit history (1)
Yoga isn't part of an organised religious institution, it's a spiritual practice like meditation.
My primary school taught kids anger management techniques like deep breathing and visualisation which come out of yoga. It would be absurd to say that violates separation of church and state. It's like saying eating crackers shouldn't be allowed in schools because of the Eucharist.
haele
(12,640 posts)non-denominational meditation techniques (the type of meditation where the instructor says "visualize a peaceful, sunny meadow in the spring..." are religious.
I've been to public-education type yoga classes, and the kidlet took one when she was in high-school as a PE alternative - it's primarily stretching and getting into the right frame of mind and breathing to hold the yoga position.
Instead of talking about "chakhras", what little spirituality - if you can call it that - they talk about feeling "energy" or "strength" from a part of your body. "Now imagine a green ball of energy forming at the base of your spine...feel it moving slowly up your back, loosening up the knots in your muscles as it moves up to your shoulderblades..."
The yoga taught in public schools is about concentration, confidence, and personal empowerment. It's like Tai-Chi. Other schools in the area down here teach the same yoga classes, and the parents of those kids who are taking the classes are generally happy and have seen improvements in their children's concentration.
I find this situation is similar to many of the other programs that deal with coping in schools - there is a very vocal subset of parents who feel that schools are not supposed to teach children anything that might lead to the child perhaps questioning their authority or the social environment around the home - programs in arts and art appreciation, comparative literature, ethnic viewpoints or even anti-bullying programs.
These are the same type of parents who freak out at fifth-graders being taught the time-tested adolescent hygene classes because they think children should be kept pure of mind when it comes to their "dirty parts" until the child gets married. The ones who are so fearful of a world full of corruption and satanic influences that just the word "yoga" conjurs up Hindoo deamons ready to drag their children down to the pits of hell.
It's a frivolous complaint, and it shouldn't be getting the attention it's getting. My opinion - one of the many mega-storefront churches is cheerleading it on.
Haele
JVS
(61,935 posts)If I turn genuflecting while making the sign of the cross into an exercise to improve balance and relaxation, it still is teaching a mode of practicing a religion.
wickerwoman
(5,662 posts)Is everyone who burns a candle practicing a religion? Of course not. Some people just like the smell or ambient light.
Eating many herbs and vegetables once had a religious significance. That doesn't mean every time I eat Thai food, I'm sliding down the slippery slope into Buddhism. Nor does eating crackers and drinking wine make me a Catholic.
Making a doll out of corn husks is crafting. Burying it in the garden to soak up the evil spirits is a religious practice.
Doing yoga for health and relaxation is doing yoga for health and relaxation.
MattBaggins
(7,897 posts)Yes Yoga can be filtered down to just teaching breathing and relaxation but there are also spiritual and religious aspects to Yoga, and if that is part of this program then it is wrong.
wickerwoman
(5,662 posts)Yoga has spiritual aspects but it isn't promoting a church. The intention of the first amendment was to avoid a state religion, not to ban meditation in schools.
And in post 20 I said quite clearly that practices *can* have religious aspects if the practitioner performs them with a certain intent. But it's also possible to separate the practice from its religious origins. I never said that yoga is always divorced from spiritual or religious aspects so I'm not sure where you're getting dishonesty from.
Technically, though many forms of Buddhism, Hinduism and paganism are not "religions" in that they don't have a central organising body, don't have a dogmatic belief system, don't pretend to explain the origin of the universe or what happens to us after we die, etc. etc. My problem with religion comes from pretending to have answers, not from asking questions and so I have no problem with spiritual journeying practices explored in schools in that light as long as they are not tied to an organised church and are not being presented to children as "the truth about xyz".
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)Tyrs WolfDaemon
(2,289 posts)He would be encouraging the Sedlocks and other offended parents to participate in Yoga.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I do Tai Chi and Yoga to help with my balance, which is kind of screwed. Tai Chi is actually considered a martial art. Sometimes we meditate in Yoga class but no one is teaching us religion. I doubt if that is happening there either. I think this is insane. Who is their lawyer, Oily Teats?
JVS
(61,935 posts)I remember a friend talking to a Kung-Fu instructor about Tai-Chi and complaining that it was religious hokum, while the instructor was talking about being a big fan of Tai-Chi and put great stock in the extra bit of force that the chi gave his punches. My friend insisted that although perhaps a good stretching and balancing routine, in a difficult struggle with an opponent Tai-Chi was not the art that he would choose to draw from in order to go for the win.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)to translate into English. Like anything else you can take as much as you like from it, and mostly I would say in gym class you would emphasize the physical and very beneficial aspects of it. What a loss to those students because of what could only be described as bigotry.
JI7
(89,241 posts)if they make them say things like OMMMM then it shouldn't be allowed.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Skittles
(153,113 posts)Mariana
(14,854 posts)to many of the students taking them.
MrYikes
(720 posts)what is wrong with pe? Is someone being harassed?