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Sun Jan 29, 2012, 10:02 PM

I read a Playboy interview with Saul Alinsky around 1971 or 72.

I was around 16 or 17 qnd he impressed me as one hell of a good guy.

He spoke extensively of the "shit-in" and the "fart-in". His point was that the threat of an action was frequently all that was needed to get the other side to cave.

For the "shit in, he was going to send about 5,000 people to O'Hare airport in Chicago. He knew that 5,000 people marching there would barely be noticed. What he did was get 1 woman for each stall in the ladies' rooms and 1 man for each stall in the mens's rooms and about 6 guys for each urinal. The people in the stalls would bring books and magazines and just stay there. Each man would stand at the urinal for 15 to 20 minutes and go to another rest room and get in line there. According to him, Mayor Daley started negotiating after just hearing of this.

For the "fart-in", it was to get Eastman Kodak to the negotiating table. The mere threat of the "fart-in" did so.

The interviewer related how Saul ended every evening by saying "We're really gonna fuck 'em tomorrow" as a way of getting people to stay psyched up.

One of the stories was how a city council, upon hearing that he may come to town, passed a resolution and sent him a length of rope suggesting that he hang himself. He sent them a box of diapers.

It IS typical of the rethugs to make a dead person their target. Saul Alinsky has been gone for nearly 40 years. Of course, someone that very few people are aware of is MUCH easier to demonize!

Of course, the rightists indignation fits perfectly into my general rule of thumb stateing that if someone pisses off all of the right people, they've got to be good!

I hope that this gives a little bit of info. I'm sorry that I have so little to share.

PEACE!

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Reply I read a Playboy interview with Saul Alinsky around 1971 or 72. (Original post)
MarianJack Jan 2012 OP
southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #1
MarianJack Jan 2012 #4
southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #7
MarianJack Jan 2012 #9
southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #13
MarianJack Jan 2012 #14
southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #16
MarianJack Jan 2012 #17
southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #18
MarianJack Jan 2012 #23
baldguy Jan 2012 #2
LineLineReply 1
mdmc Jan 2012 #5
MarianJack Jan 2012 #8
napoleon_in_rags Jan 2012 #3
MarianJack Jan 2012 #6
NYC_SKP Jan 2012 #10
MarianJack Jan 2012 #11
JHB Feb 2012 #34
Voice for Peace Jan 2012 #12
MarianJack Jan 2012 #15
Voice for Peace Feb 2012 #30
MarianJack Feb 2012 #31
yurbud Jan 2012 #19
Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #21
TeeYiYi Jan 2012 #24
yurbud Jan 2012 #26
MarianJack Feb 2012 #29
MarianJack Feb 2012 #28
yurbud Feb 2012 #32
MarianJack Feb 2012 #33
DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #20
MarianJack Jan 2012 #22
bemildred Jan 2012 #25
MarianJack Feb 2012 #27

Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 10:06 PM

1. Maybe our kids need to learn from good ole Sal.

 

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 10:10 PM

4. They can do a hell of a lot worse,...

...like bain romney, tiffany's gingrich, little ricky santorum, flush limbaugh, bech, hannity, coulter, orally, and too danged many to keep listing to avoid nausea.

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 10:13 PM

7. The kids today sure do have the smarts to come up with their own evil things to do. Of course

 

peacefully.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 10:16 PM

9. Good Point,...

...my son certainly manages to get his little 11 year old arse into enough trouble right here at home!

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 09:03 AM

13. HAHAHAHAA LOL, I bet you weren't laughing either. He is in training. Looks like what he'll need

 

in the future if Gringrich wins the white house (which I seriously doubt).

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 31, 2012, 08:38 AM

14. He'd need a lot...

...if any rethug wins.

Aside from the usual awful repub economic disaster, my son is African American. Not a single positive thing would happen for any ethnic community with a rethug administration in power again. UGH!

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 31, 2012, 09:49 AM

16. I can see why you feel that way and I don't blame you. I grew up in a military family and we played

 

with all kinds of kids. Neighbors of all races and background. Most of my childhood was spend overseas where I didn't see the racist behavior. Not until my dad retired in 1963 and we were travelling from ElPaso, TX to PA. I was shocked how I saw bathroom for separate races and water fountains separated. I remember seeing this pickup truck with a african-american family just hanging out in the back of the truck. It was such a hot day and all of us were in shorts and shortleeves shirts. The kids look at us and we looked at them and I smiled back. Then I went over and asked my father what was going on and why were this family being treated this way. Especially since I never grew up that way. I had all kinds of kids over to our house for dinner and sleepovers and I found kids are kids and are no different then anyoneelse. It is crazy the people some people treat others. I don't go for that. I pray we don't lose that dream where all boat are raised. The unbelievable hate from the right is scary. I have a feeling when President Obama wins reelection the right is going to have a freakin fit. Then I will make sure my grandkids stay indoors.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 31, 2012, 10:46 AM

17. The sad thing is...

...that President Obama's win seems to have given the rightist rethus reason to bring their racism back out into the open. Nauseating.

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 31, 2012, 12:53 PM

18. What kills you is the President is of both races. Talk about splitting hairs. I adore this

 

president. I kinda of wish he really would give it to the republicans. But I guess this is why he is popular with all the people.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 31, 2012, 01:15 PM

23. It seems that in this country,...

...if you are of mixed blood, you're considered to be the minority.

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 10:09 PM

2. He was a damned COMMUNITY ORGANIZER!!!!

 

Which means - he helped average people learn how to fight & win against the corporatocracy & TPTB.

Can't have THAT happening, now. Can we?

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Response to baldguy (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 10:11 PM

5. 1

 

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Response to baldguy (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 10:14 PM

8. Well, the right "thinks"...

...that he should have had REAL responsibilities like a small town mayor.

After all, chargeing victims for their own rape kits is major stuff!

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 10:10 PM

3. Still, the main issue is that nobody has heard of him.

On the right, the leaders of the left, are Soros, Alinsky, this cabal of jewish names we've never heard of. On the right, its FDR, Kennedy, with voice like Micheal Moore and Jon Stewart playing a lead role. So the right is in a totally alternate reality in terms of who the leaders of the left are, and seem invested in propping these ideas up. Why? I can only assume they find it beneficial. "Shit ins" and "Lucifer" aren't ideas leftist leaders are interested in, but they seem to be ideas right wing leaders find beneficial to convince their own base the left is evil.

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Response to napoleon_in_rags (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 10:11 PM

6. Good points.

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 10:36 PM

10. "Shit in" is brilliant.

 

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 11:00 PM

11. Thanks.

I wish I could take the credit, but it goes to Saul.

PEACE!

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 07:32 AM

34. I have to wonder how effective it would be these days, though

Might be a lot quicker to send security in, tasers blazing, to haul out the persons engaged in "suspicious activites". Especially at an airport. Especially if it was used as a threat, so it is known about ahead of time and the opposition has time to plan a countermove.

"Terrorism", you know.

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 01:28 AM

12. thanks for the great insights

 

I never knew anything about him, but somewhere in my brain from long ago, his name is associated with "communism" -- must have been how he was labelled back then (and now).

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 31, 2012, 08:41 AM

15. "Communist",...

...he republican/bagger/rightist response to anything they don't like for as long as I can remember.

The first time I was called a communist was when I was 11 in early 1967 when I said that I was against the vietnam war.

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 10:20 AM

30. the 11 year old communists are the most dangerous

 

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 10:27 AM

31. Very true!

I gave the most lethal peace sign with my hands that you've ever seen.

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Tue Jan 31, 2012, 12:56 PM

19. Somebody better dig through their stack of old Playboys and scan this for us

Though with the kind of porn available online, everybody's Playboys were probably donated to libraries ten years ago (where they sit unread except by a handful of Amish kids).

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Response to yurbud (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 31, 2012, 01:04 PM

21. Here you go, a link to the piece I found...

 

http://www.progress.org/2003/alinsky2.htm
'The next week' links continue the article.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 31, 2012, 01:28 PM

24. Wow. Thank you! ...nt

TYY

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 31, 2012, 06:58 PM

26. wow--I never realized Betty White was so hot in the 70s!

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 12:15 AM

29. Thanks for the link!

PEACE!

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Response to yurbud (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 12:13 AM

28. I have NO IDEA what happened to my Playboys,...

...but even if I still had them in the late 90s, my fiance (now my wife of almost 14 years) would have asked me to get rid of them. I would have HAPPILY done so for the woman to whom I am incapable of saying "no"!

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #28)

Thu Feb 2, 2012, 05:49 PM

32. you should have said, "Honey, I wish you could be a centerfold

So every guy could see how lucky I am. I look at these girls and feel sorry for them that they aren't you."

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Response to yurbud (Reply #32)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 07:14 AM

33. She IS my Centerfold...

...and I'm keeping her ALL TO MYSELF!

Eat'cher hearts out, dudes & ladies!

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Tue Jan 31, 2012, 12:56 PM

20. Gingrich and the GOP have convinced me

 

I'm going to buy and read Rules for Radicals, just to learn more about the man. Thanks, Newt.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 31, 2012, 01:14 PM

22. Sometimes...

...you can judge a man by who he pisses off.

Saul Alinsky pisses off all of the right people.

As is typical of the rethugs, they are also attacking a man who has been gone for almost 40 years. A living target may respond.

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Tue Jan 31, 2012, 02:23 PM

25. Mr Alinsky was the real deal.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 12:09 AM

27. The real deal

Something else that the rethugs would find repellant, especially with the collection of total phonies that they're offering for the White House.

PEACE!

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