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Contemporary American politics cannot be understood apart from the North-South divide in the U.S., as I and others have argued. Neither can contemporary American economic debates. The real choice facing America in the 21st century is the same one that faced it in the 19th and 20th centuries Northernomics or Southernomics?
Northernomics is the high-road strategy of building a flourishing national economy by means of government-business cooperation and government investment in R&D, infrastructure and education. Although this program of Hamiltonianism (named after Washingtons first Treasury secretary, Alexander Hamilton) has been championed by maverick Southerners as prominent as George Washington, Henry Clay and Abraham Lincoln (born in Kentucky to a Southern family), the building of a modern, high-tech, high-wage economy has been supported chiefly by political parties based in New England and the Midwest, from the Federalists and the Whigs through the Lincoln Republicans and todays Northern Democrats.
Southernomics is radically different. The purpose of the age-old economic development strategy of the Southern states has never been to allow them to compete with other states or countries on the basis of superior innovation or living standards. Instead, for generations Southern economic policymakers have sought to secure a lucrative second-tier role for the South in the national and world economies, as a supplier of commodities like cotton and oil and gas and a source of cheap labor for footloose corporations. This strategy of specializing in commodities and cheap labor is intended to enrich the Southern oligarchy. It doesnt enrich the majority of Southerners, white, black or brown, but it is not intended to.
Contrary to what is often said, the original sin of the South is not slavery, or even racism. It is cheap, powerless labor.
Before 1900, the cheap labor was used to harvest export crops like cotton and lumber. Beginning around 1900, Southern states sought to reap benefits from the new industrial economy by supplying national manufacturing companies with pools of cheap, powerless labor as well. For a century now, Southern state economic development policies have sought to lure companies from high-wage, high-service states, by promising low wages and docile workers. Texas Gov. Rick Perrys recent appeals to California businesses to relocate to the Lone Star State are the most recent example.
http://www.salon.com/2013/02/19/southern_poverty_pimps/
senseandsensibility
(16,997 posts)But yes, cheap labor was and is what the Southern economy is about.
DBoon
(22,354 posts)it is the standard against which all modern variants are judged.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...then it stains the soul of North & South alike.
Slavery wasn't abolished until 1863.
What the OP references is a rehash of the difference between Agrarian and Industrial societies.
The farm communities of the San Joaquin Valley, Ca. are STILL dependent on cheap migrant labor,
as are most farming communities across the nation.
CanonRay
(14,099 posts)instead of using slaves or convicts. This is why they are so anti-union there.
Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)Where did this "right to work for less" political movement start?
And where is the resistance to unions the strongest?
And where are blacks kept securely in low-paying jobs?
And where are blacks being denied voting rights through long lineups in minority districts and discriminatory voter rules requiring near impossible ID requirements?
That's right, the southern states.
If there's ever another civil war, that's where it will start.
moondust
(19,972 posts)Why are these two maps so similar?
~1860
2012
My guess is that it has something to do with "cheap, powerless labor."
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)It really appears to be creeping into just about every state where the GOP has a significant representation, or especially a majority.
If you look at the stagnation of wages in the US over the past 20 years or so, it's kind of hard to blame all of that on the South.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)All of them are right-to-work states. Not a coincidence.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)bull.
1. Northern industry was built on the profits of slave labor. Slaves were used in the North to clear land, harvest crops, run the sugar business, etc. Northerners were the slave catchers and traders, the cotton brokers, and the financiers. They outlawed slavery in the North once they'd made a bundle and were moving into industry, but lots of Northerners were 'invested' in, or *owned* the slave labor sugar plantations of the Caribbean or profited off Southern slavery in various ways.
2. Northern industry was built on slave-like labor, e.g.:
The conditions that children worked under during the Industrial Revolution were morbid. They had long and inflexible work hours. According to many studies, these hours ranged from 14 hours a day or 70 hours per week. The child laborers worked in environments that were unhealthy and dangerous to their physical well being. Many lost limbs, were killed in gas explosions; crushed under machines; and burned. The workers developed lung cancer from poisonous fumes. When their work or machines were not harming them, their supervisors and overseers harmed them. They were beaten, and when they tried to escape from the factories, they were shackled.
https://www.mtholyoke.edu/~hicks22a/classweb/Childlabor/WebsiteChildlabor/History.html
3. Even today, the first-world profits of the "North" relies on slave-like labor both at home and overseas.
4. Scratch any big capitalist dynasty of the present day & you will find the exploitation of slave labor lurking somewhere in the family history.
"Behind every great fortune is a crime."
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,900 posts)As a matter of fact your link talks about Great Britain not the US.
While working conditions may not have been ideal by today's standard in the industrial north such was not the slavery the south had. People in the factories were compensated for their work.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)there is no difference between the northern and southern systems. both were founded on slavery.
fdr's ancestors in new york used slaves in their sugar business and had investments in slave sugar in the caribbean.
ancestors of both the R & D candidate in the 2004 election profited from slavery.
all the major banks & insurance companies made their nut on slavery. quakers were some of the big slave traders in the early days of the trade. rhode island ships were some of the most important in the slave trade.
the lowell textile mills & lowell massachussets were founded on slavery and opium profits. george bush's ancestors had a stake in both northern textile mills and savannah cotton trading -- synergy!!
john kerry's ancestors traded slaves before they traded opium and used the profits to fund their investments in textile mills, railroads and more.
scratch a capitalist, you'll find slavery or semi-slavery.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,900 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)"The effects of the New England slave trade were momentous. It was one of the foundations of New England's economic structure; it created a wealthy class of slave-trading merchants, while the profits derived from this commerce stimulated cultural development and philanthropy."
--Lorenzo Johnston Greene, The Negro in Colonial New England, 1620-1776, p.319.
Whether it was officially encouraged, as in New York and New Jersey, or not, as in Pennsylvania, the slave trade flourished in colonial Northern ports. But New England was by far the leading slave merchant of the American colonies.
The first systematic venture from New England to Africa was undertaken in 1644 by an association of Boston traders...
Boston and Newport were the chief slave ports, but nearly all the New England towns -- Salem, Providence, Middletown, New London had a hand in it. In 1740, slaving interests in Newport owned or managed 150 vessels engaged in all manner of trading. In Rhode Island colony, as much as two-thirds of the merchant fleet and a similar fraction of sailors were engaged in slave traffic. The colonial governments of Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania all, at various times, derived money from the slave trade by levying duties on black imports. Tariffs on slave import in Rhode Island in 1717 and 1729 were used to repair roads and bridges.
http://www.slavenorth.com/profits.htm
Emily Dickinson's family lived on slave profits. Ralph Waldo Emerson, ditto.
Scratch a Northen culture-hero, you're likely to find slavery lurking off-stage.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,900 posts)Good night.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)again:
http://www.slavenorth.com/profits.htm
"On the eve of the Revolution, the slave trade formed the very basis of the economic life of New England.
I'm actually fairly shocked that someone posting at DU doesn't know about slavery and the slave trade in the North, or the extent to which Northern industrial and financial fortunes were built on it. Or the extent to which Northerners extracted profits from the Southern slave economy (the Brown Brothers, later Brown Brothers Harriman capital was built on the slave trade, for example).
The Ivies were all built on slave and opium profits.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Harvard University was the first institution of higher learning in colonial America. Founded in 1636 as a training ground for aspiring ministers, it capitalized on this early start and became during the nineteenth century the nations most influential university, and by the middle of the twentieth century, arguably the worlds. Not surprisingly, then, Harvards four centuries long career is tightly connected to the history of New England, the United States and the Atlantic World on whose most dynamic eastern edge it was perched. Notwithstanding a deafening silence on the topic in most remembrances of this great university, Harvards history entails a whole range of connections to slavery.
This site is a result of investigations Harvard students made into this forgotten part of the Universitys history.
http://www.harvardandslavery.com/
We're marking Black History Month with a look at the ties Ivy League universities have to slavery. Though slavery is still largely considered a Southern institution, it's an American institution that's touched ever corner of the nation, including the country's esteemed universities. From Amherst College, to Harvard University, these institutions were built on the backs of slaves. With Brown University leading the way, universities have recently started confronting the uncomfortable truths about their connection to slavery and the implicit racism that came with it. Now that our academic institutions are exhuming their pasts, how should we be talking about slavery in the 21st century?
http://www.wgbh.org/programs/The-Callie-Crossley-Show-855/episodes/Thurs-22312The-Ivy-Leagues-Shackled-to-a-Shameful-Past-36434
pecwae
(8,021 posts)for all your posts in this thread and the links.
cordelia
(2,174 posts)lynne
(3,118 posts)- when I first saw this thread. Bull!
Was going to post the slavenorth link and saw that you'd already done it. I'd not seen the harvardandslavery site, thanks for posting them both.
Some have a hard time believing this aspect of our history because it isn't found in our 4th grade history books. Actually, northern support for and profit from slavery isn't unbelievable at all. Where in the world do people think the north was getting the cotton used in all those northern textile mills?
Not a pretty part of our history but one that should certainly be acknowledged and understood.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)....the finer details and underpinnings of US History, and not the watered down crap they teach in schools these days.
What really bothers me is most Americans don't even want to know our history.
Here's an excellent website dealing with the history of slavery in the US:
Slavery and the Making of America
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)than the standard brand.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)....the teaching of US and World History has changed dramatically over the last 30-40 years from when I was in high school and college.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,900 posts)Yes slavery in colonial America. It died out when we became a country.
Do you know about the anti-slave riots in Boston that occurred when Federal Troops enforced the fugitive slave act?
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:32 AM - Edit history (1)
capital financed northern industrialization.
that includes capital aggregated from the earliest colonization of north america from actual slave trading, slave labor, and slave products, to the capital aggregated selling northern slaves south, financing southern slave voyages, brokering & selling slave-grown products like cotton, and using slave-grown products for further production as in early textile mills.
You don't get it and apparently don't wish to get it because you have some schemata in your head that says "North = good, South = bad/Northerners = good, Southerners = bad"
Reality is not nearly so tidy.
For example, here are James & Thomas Handasyd Perkins talking about trading slaves in the Caribbean and Georgia circa 1790 (after the Revolution, note):
http://books.google.com/books?id=lmPFnzXU7o0C&pg=PA534&dq=this+was,+for+J+and+T+Handasyde+perkins+of+boston,+as+they&hl=en&sa=X&ei=V8MlUZOxIobliwKt7YGABg&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=this%20was%2C%20for%20J%20and%20T%20Handasyde%20perkins%20of%20boston%2C%20as%20they&f=false
And if you know anything about the Perkins family, you know it's one of Boston's elite families, intermarried with most of Boston's old financial aristocracy that became a modern financial aristocracy -- the Cabots, Lowells, Jacksons, Forbes, Higginsons, Lees, etc.
Perkins was also a major industrial investor within Massachusetts. He owned the Granite Railway, the first commercial American railroad, which was built to carry granite from Quincy quarries to Charlestown for construction of the Bunker Hill Monument and other city buildings in Boston. He also held significant holdings in the Elliot textile mills in Newton, the mills at Holyoke and Lowell, New England canals and railroads, and lead and iron mines including the Monkton Iron Company in Vermont.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Handasyd_Perkins
Perkins was one of the "Boston Associates" that developed Lowell, MA as a textile mill town and built the first integrated textile mill in the US:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowell,_Massachusetts
To detail all the relations between Perkins capital & industrialization would require a heavy tome, but here's just one: William Hathaway Forbes was the major financier of Bell Telephone. He was a great-grandson of James Perkins & a grandson of Margaret Perkins + Ralph Bennett Forbes.
http://books.google.com/books?id=OiEmyTq8lzYC&pg=PA154&lpg=PA154&dq=william+hathaway+forbes+bell+telephone&source=bl&ots=NDSyqRoDh7&sig=DWu_NfmBwD68G20Zd8w1pHxEeXw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=OsclUY_jJMXrigKl2IDwCg&ved=0CFIQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=william%20hathaway%20forbes%20bell%20telephone&f=false
And the Perkins family wasn't the only Boston family that made money directly or indirectly from the slave trade by a long shot. Capital amassed from this was re-invested in industrialization.
For example, the Forbes also had their slavery connection:
John Murray Forbes, the railroad barn owned a cottage at Magnolia Springs. He had inherited a fortune passed down from his grandfather who had been a partner in the Panton, Leslie & Co. Indian trading firm....
http://archives.clayclerk.com/Places-Towns-MagnoliaSprings.html
Panton, Leslie (later to become John Forbes & Co.,) also dealt in slaves; they owned them, and they traded them.
http://books.google.com/books?id=PYuKmaAtQ_kC&pg=PA90&dq=panton+leslie+slaves+1802&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZtklUd2lHumViALdhIDQCg&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=panton%20leslie%20slaves%201802&f=false
Senator John Forbes Kerry is a modern-day relation.
Here's another Northern (offices in Philadelphia, New York, Liverpool, Baltimore) family fortune amassed in the slave trade:
Company records show Brown Bros. loaned to plantation owners who told the firm that they needed the cash to buy slaves. When those planters or their banks failed, Brown Bros. took possession of the assets. It used its local agents to run repossessed plantations and manage the slaves working there.
The fullest picture of the Browns as slaveholders comes from 1840s and 1850s Louisiana court records affirming Brown's claim to three Concordia Parish cotton plantations totaling 4,614 acres, and the plantations' 346 slaves, each named in court records.
Brown Bros. & Co. merged with two other firms in 1931 to create Brown Bros. Harriman.
Donald Murphy, a partner, says the investment bank has no pre-Civil War records and sees no need to go through its records. "As an institution, I and my partners could look you in the eye and say we abhor that slavery ever existed in this or any other country. And yet I don't feel qualified to comment on practices and actions of a different society of 175 years ago," he says.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/general/2002/02/21/slave-brown-bros.htm
And Brown Bros Harriman, as we all know, still survives as one of the largest investment banks in the *world*. Built on a foundation of slavery. Also well-known because of prominent execs like Prescott Bush and the railroad-building Harrimans, later to move into politics (Averell Harriman).
What is so surprising about the fact that many of these wealthy families would turn 'abolitionist' once they'd made a lot of money from slavery & were moving toward a new financial model? There was more money to be made in new & more profitable ways and eliminating Southern capital picked off some of the competition, among other benefits.
The simplistic schemata we learn in school teaches us a myth that effectively 'disappears' elites from the story of slavery. The myth says slavery was about 'bad people' who were 'racist', and so our task is to always be on guard against 'racism'.
But racism is just one of the ex-post-facto justifications people resort to when they want to *use* and *exploit* other people, and becomes institutionalized as that exploitation becomes institutionalized -- and that institutionalization is a product of elite power.
The people who run the world today are often times descendants of people who ran the world 100 years ago -- or more. And many of them amassed capital in the slave trade. This is why narratives like "Southerners bad" or "white privilege" -- while containing a partial truth -- are nevertheless deceptive at their core. The average joe gained little from slavery other than the dubious 'privilege' of competing with slave labor while feeling superior to black people.
Cui bono? is the operative question.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,900 posts)It was deplorable but not slavery.
catbyte
(34,371 posts)Campaign now. Pure Michigan, smells like Alabama.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)LongTomH
(8,636 posts)Progressive futurist and AlterNet editor Sara Robinson argued that the GOP is being run by the descendants of Southern slaveowners.
Right now, a lot of our problems stem directly from the fact that the wrong sort has finally gotten the upper hand; a particularly brutal and anti-democratic strain of American aristocrat that the other elites have mostly managed to keep away from the levers of power since the Revolution. Worse: this bunch has set a very ugly tone that's corrupted how people with power and money behave in every corner of our culture. Here's what happened, and how it happened, and what it means for America now.
HiPointDem is correct that slavery tarnished the history of both North and South and that conditions for workers in both North and South were horrible. However, the reforms that improved conditions for workers largely came from Northern union organizers and Yankee political reformers, the Roosevelts, Woodrow Wilson, JFK, etc.
Northerners are far from pure; most of the old Yankee industrialists were guilty of exploiting their workers; but, there was that reformist strain that eventually produced better working conditions, and the shared prosperity of post-war America until the Reagan revolution.
I posted some excerpts from the article, beginning with my own comments:
The North vs South model can be regarded as a hypothesis; the question is: How useful is it in explaining the increasing ruthlessness of GOP politicians and the capitalists who exploit the South's cheap labor?
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)were moving on to new things; they didn't want competion from southern slave capital (contrary to the popular image, the south was industrializing right along with the north before the civil war).
2) for most of the rest of the reforms you can give thanks to the nascent communist/anarchist movements and fear thereof among the capitalist classes (marx was a contemporary of lincoln).
northern capital was no more noble or 'gentle' than southern capital. in many cases, in fact, it was the same damn capital.
some of george bush's ancestors, for example, were relations of eli whitney's (also a northerner), and went south almost as soon as the cotton gin was invented to make their fortunes in the cotton business!
ananda
(28,858 posts)... along with an obsession with proliferating charter schools and prisons.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Ruthless and callous as they are, the old families and nouveaux riches who make up the Southern elite dont want their workers to starve. On the other hand, they prefer not to pay a wage adequate for the necessities of life. The solution favored by the Southern oligarchy is the earned income tax credit, a wage subsidy to workers that tops up a too-low wage paid by the employer.
Mrs. Laelth worked for an insurance company at a major service call center here in Georgia, and she discovered that nearly 50% of the center's employees were eligible for and receiving food stamps (SNAP benefits). We the People of the United States subsidize cheap, Southern labor (and enrich wealthy corporations) in a number of ways, not just through the EITC (Earned Income Tax Credit).
-Laelth
DinahMoeHum
(21,783 posts)Last edited Wed Feb 20, 2013, 11:53 AM - Edit history (1)
If you want to know why many Southern whites still behave the way they do, this story is worth reading:
http://www.salon.com/2010/09/07/southern_labor_history/
Except they didn't really "forget". It was a very painful period in their lives and many of them chose to deliberately suppress their memories of it. They've been internalizing this ever since; and Southern workers are all the poorer for it.
One important point here: the white churches there failed their worker congregations big time. Unlike the black churches decades later in the civil rights struggles of the 60's.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
Volaris
(10,270 posts)doing whatever we can to get State-Level Legislatures to prop up the working classes in places like New England, The pacific Coast and the parts of the Midwest that would be open to these kinds of programs, and then offer State Subsidies to get people to move to those places. The "South" can have all the businesses they want move there, but if theres a massive population crash because people can live better elsewhere, theres not much point trying to pull that business away from where it is NOW.
I live in MO. If ANYWHERE in New England or the Pacific Coast offered to pay for my moving expenses because they value me even a little bit more than some random, rich Corporation and want me to contribute to THAT idea of a Functional Government/Society, I would get the hell out of here in a heartbeat.
SpartanDem
(4,533 posts)by in large middle and class poor whites in the South would rather be poor than equal to blacks and other minorities. This doesn't only happen in the South, you could blame a lot of this nations back sliding over the last 30 years on it. But the worst abuses still occur in the South.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)If his next article is about the economic policies of Francois Mitterrand, well I will know he has been rummaging my parents basement.