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About Hubris, one thing I miss is statement of Wes Clark (Original Post) elleng Feb 2013 OP
I have never forgotten that--TEN DAYS after 9-11 Iraq was in the crosshairs renate Feb 2013 #1
I wish it would, and should HAVE been, elleng Feb 2013 #2
Truth! nt MrScorpio Feb 2013 #3
Yes indeed, MrS. elleng Feb 2013 #4
Maybe he didn't want to be back in the public eye? loyalsister Feb 2013 #5
I'm sure if they wanted to use his info/experience, he would have participated. elleng Feb 2013 #6
I remember discussions here about the wording of the AUMF... JHB Feb 2013 #7
The Right tried to destroy Clark from that moment on Tom Rinaldo Feb 2013 #8
Right, Tom. elleng Feb 2013 #9

renate

(13,776 posts)
1. I have never forgotten that--TEN DAYS after 9-11 Iraq was in the crosshairs
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 05:19 AM
Feb 2013

Maybe after Rachel's report, this statement will get a little more attention.

elleng

(130,746 posts)
6. I'm sure if they wanted to use his info/experience, he would have participated.
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:47 PM
Feb 2013

He appeared on MSNBC's 'Live' on Saturday, and was on CNN's "Out Front" with Erin Burnett, early in the show on Friday, 1/25. He was on for five minutes at three minutes after the hour along with retired USAF Colonel Cedrick Leighton. The subject was Mali.

JHB

(37,157 posts)
7. I remember discussions here about the wording of the AUMF...
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 02:05 PM
Feb 2013

...and how it was dismayingly (and suspiciously) open-ended.

If the invasion had gone as smoothly as they had imagined it would (i.e., had their string of unlikely assumptions actually panned out), they were all set to roll onto the next domino to "democratize" (Syria would likely have been first).


However, their own lack of real planning for Iraq and their too-small force levels* intruded on their little Risk-board delusions.

*About the "too-small force level" comment: among the things that leaked out while they were trying to sell the invasion was the low-level of commitment in troops they were calling for. Remember Colin Powell's line about "half a million men"? That was the numbers generally thought to be needed for an invasion and its aftermath. However, a commitment of that size would have made it impossible to sell the war as a quick & easy "cakewalk", and would have undercut their ability to cajole congress members into going along just on their word. So they pushed the "Shock & Awe" part and downplayed or ignored the main need for a force that size: keeping order in the aftermath. We all know how that went, when there wasn't enough manpower to even try to crackdown on the open looting, and how things devolved after that. Has Powell said anything about this abandonment of the "Powell Doctrine" of overwhelming force to smother opposition?

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
8. The Right tried to destroy Clark from that moment on
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 03:03 PM
Feb 2013

They never anticipated one of our nations most decorated Generals calling them out on their war plans in public, and they never forgot it or ever forgave Clark for that.

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