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Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:15 AM

Chelyabinsk Meteor Shines Light on What May Be the Most Contaminated Place on Earth

Fukushima and Chernobyl are up there, but back in the day, Chelyabinsk was home to a disaster that was kept secret for decades...

The Most Contaminated Place on Earth: Chelyabinsk-40

July 15, 2011

We’re quite familiar with the lore of various secret United States nuclear facilities; their storied history and operations being shrouded in secrecy has fascinated us for decades. What we seldom hear about are the secret nuclear laboratories and test facilities of our greatest Cold War opponent – the former U.S.S.R. One particular installation – Chelyabinsk-40 – was the first Soviet plutonium production complex and the site of three separate massive nuclear incidents. Until recently this area was not on maps and the Russian government denied its existence. No visitors were allowed under any circumstances, and all residents worked in the facility (later referred to as Chelyabinsk-65). With the fall of the Soviet Union in the early 90′s, Chelyabinsk-40 was finally publicly acknowledged by the Russian government and granted town status. In 1994, Chelyabinsk-65 was finally given a name: Ozyorsk.

70,000 prisoners from 12 labor camps began construction of the underground city in 1945. The first nuclear reactor, named “Anotchka,” was constructed in 18 months. Additional nearby facilities would be constructed around the area later known as Ozyorsk (or Ozersk), which would house nearly 100,000 people and encompass some 90 square kilometers. This region chosen by the Soviet government was called “the Mayak complex” and was to serve as secret headquarters for nuclear research and development.

Aside from the nuclear scientists, most of the workers in the underground nuclear facility were prisoners who agreed to work and process plutonium in exchange for a lesser sentence. Russian convicts were given the option to work 25 years hard labor in Siberia or 5 years underground in Chelyabinsk-40. It really was a death sentence, however; no workers would live beyond five years with that level of radioactive exposure. Of course at the time, the convicts did not know what they’d be doing at this facility nor were they aware of the ramifications of increased exposure to radioactive material. Ultimately, the entire Mayak complex would be closed to all non-residents for nearly 45 years.


During the first six years of operation, the entire Mayak complex dumped all radioactive waste into the Techa River, which happened to be the only source of water for the 24 villages along its banks. By 1951, it became obvious the nuclear run-off was damaging the river and surrounding population, and nuclear waste from Chelyabinsk-40 was found in the Artic Ocean. This prompted a decision to start dumping radioactive waste elsewhere. Lake Karachay (more of a bog than a lake) was chosen, in part because the lake had no outlet. To limit future issues with residents and the radioactivity of the Techa River, authorities strung barbed-wire fences up and down the river banks restricting any human habitation – but they did not disclose the reasons why to the local population.

In 1957 a radioactive waste containment sector failed and exploded. Radiation was immediately spread throughout the region, affecting over 250,000 people. This was long before the Chernobyl incident and it occurred in a secret underground facility; less than half of one percent of the population was evacuated, and public awareness of the incident – or even consequences of nuclear exposure at all – was virtually nil. Experts have said the explosion itself was a force of 70-100 tons of TNT, although the radioactivity released into the atmosphere was “only” one-fourth that of the later Chernobyl disaster.



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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:18 AM

1. Amazing info, thanks!

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:55 AM

2. The Basement Geographer sums it up...

Lake Karachay, Mayak, and Chelyabinsk-40: A Look at the Most Contaminated Place on Earth

Imagine a lake so polluted and contaminated that spending just an hour on its shores would result in certain death, and the only way seen fit to deal with it is to fill the entire water body with concrete blocks to keep the toxic soil underneath from moving onshore. That lake is Lake Karachay in Russia’s Chelyabinsk Oblast, and it is considered by many to be the most polluted place on the planet.


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Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:58 AM

3. I love the picture. It's so...Soviet


Thanks for the thread, Octafish. I'd never heard about this place. I have some reading to do.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:12 PM

5. It really does say a lot. Nuclear weaponry has made statesmen into madmen.

Not just the Mutually Assured Destruction kind, but just plain don't take off your mask nuts.

I love cowboy movies. And Tartars.

Soviet weapons plant pollution

published by WISE News Communique on November 2, 1990

US experts who visited parts of the Soviet nuclear weapons complex last year and looked over formerly secret Soviet publications have issued a report describing "astronomically" high radioactive pollution of towns, farm land, rivers, and lakes from the early years of Soviet nuclear weapons production. The report says the findings were backed up by Soviet scientists.

(341.3409) WISE Amsterdam / WISE Stockholm - The report, "Soviet Nuclear Warhead Production" (NWD 90-3), was published in Washington D.C. in August by the Natural Resources Defense Council and was written by NRDC's senior staff scientist Thomas Cochran, who has also written on the US nuclear weapons production system. According to Cochran and his co-author, Robert Norris, as hazardous as some of the US defense production sites are, none are known to have approached the levels of contamination from Soviet bomb production.

One site the NRDC report looked at was the nuclear weapons complex in Chelyabinsk, a plutonium and tritium product ion complex situated about 900 miles east of Moscow. According to their report, so much radioactive waste from the complex was dumped into the nearby Techa River between 1949 and 1956 (96 million cubic meters of radioactive liquid) that traces of it finally showed up in the Arctic Ocean, 1,000 miles to the north. The area was also in the path of fallout from the recent Kyshtym nuclear waste tank explosion (see WISE News Communique 339.3389). Access to the river has been blocked off by wire fencing. The taking of fish, mushrooms, berries, or hay from the riverside is forbidden.

Chelyabinsk wastes were pumped into Lake Karachay, also near the complex, after the Techa dumping stopped in 1951, until its 100 acre area contained 120 million curies, or 2.5 times the total releases in the 1986 Chernobyl reactor accident. The deposits included the long-lived radionuclides cesium-137 and strontium-90, which entered the groundwater. Wind-whipped dispersion of the lake water spread high levels of contamination on nearby land.

In February, the Soviet publication Priroda ("Nature" also began carrying information about the extreme radioactive contamination at Lake Karachay. Now being called "the most polluted spot on the planet", the shoreline of the lake delivers a deadly 600 roentgen/hour dose -a dose according to the NRDC "sufficient to kill a person in an hour". (And according to an article in Nucleonics Week, US officials taken to Karachay this summer were not allowed off their bus and were told readings at the lake surface exceeded 700 B/h.) Remote controlled lead-shielded bulldozers similar to those used at Chernobyl are at work on the site.

The NRDC also found in Soviet documents descriptions of a "sanitary alienation zone" in the heavily contaminated area, in which people are forbidden to live or travel. According to one source, this exclusion zone also encompasses the security zone around the military production complex.

A separate report by Alexander Shlyakter, formerly a scientist at the Leningrad Nuclear Physics Institute and now a researcher at Harvard University in the US, has disclosed high plant worker exposure at Chelyabinsk. The Shlyakter study of radiation exposure among Chelyabinsk workers in the 1940s and 1950s, as reported by the New York Times, described doses to large numbers of workers of more than 100 rem. The cancer mortality rate among the 100 rem-plus group was 8.1%, compared to 4.3% for those exposed to fewer than 100 rem.


Nucleonics Week (us), 23 Aug. 1990, p.14
Radwaste Report (US), Sept. 1990, p.1
The European, 28-30 Sept. 1990.
Contact: The NRDC report is available from the Natural Resources Defense Council, 1350 New York Avenue NW, Suite 300, Washington DC 20005. USA.

SOURCE: http://www10.antenna.nl/wise/index.html?http://www10.antenna.nl/wise/341/3409.html

PS: Sorry to add to the reading, but the nuke stuff helps explain a lot of how the national security state got to be so. Thank you, DisgustipatedinCA, for caring about the history.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:20 PM

6. No need to be sorry for adding to my reading list


This is really surprising--an area larger than the Chernobyl zone and more radioactive. Again, thanks for the fascinating information.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 05:29 PM

18. I used to think callousness towards citizens was limited to Communist counties.

After reading the link about how prisoners and citizens were mislead about the lethality of the area,
I can see the same callousness in our own country, with Hanford, with the other nuke plants,
with the military being deliberately exposed to atom bomb testing, and Agent Orange and Depleted Uranium,
etc etc etc ad nauseam.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 06:52 PM

26. The Golden Rule got warped by the Have-Mores into 'He Who Owns the Gold, Rules.'

No bigger gun to protect that gold than nuclear weapons.
Which may explain why working with and worrying about The Bomb
must make liberals into fascists faster than Dan Quayle (left) can say "nuclear fission."

Know your BFEE: American Children Used in Radiation Experiments

And the thing has its roots in the antebellum New World...or parts thereof.

Know your BFEE: Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection

Gee. And to think some people who hate Americans ask: 'Why do you hate America?' when others notice that.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 07:34 PM

28. Octafish, YOU are an incredible resource.

Thanks for all your info and the time you take to bring these background nuggets to our attention.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:30 AM

32. Why doesn't the horse have a gas mask?

Seriously, if it's that bad, shouldn't the horse be protected, too?

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #32)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:00 PM

36. That was introduced in the next battle.

To many, war is progress.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:00 PM

4. K&R to read later. Interesting, thanks Octafish! nt

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:37 PM

7. What does "K&R" mean?


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Response to Gorp (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:47 PM

8. Kick & Recommend

A reply to a post kicks the thread to the top of the forum.

And you can recommend a thread with the "DU Rec" button in the lower left corner of every OP (original post).

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Response to cyberswede (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:55 PM

9. Thank you.


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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:09 PM

11. Russia: Disasters Contaminated 450,000.

From 1993, when official Russia first went public:

Urals Nuclear Disasters Contaminated 450,000 : Russia

Figure is given by officials in account of events at the Mayak atomic plant from 1948 to 1967.

They say site could still pose hazards.


MOSCOW — Russian officials, disclosing new details about a series of nuclear disasters in the Ural Mountains, have admitted that 450,000 people were contaminated by radiation from the giant Mayak atomic plant between 1948 and 1967, and that the site remains a potential hazard.


Vasily Voznyak, head of a government commission on the consequences of nuclear accidents, told reporters this week that some of the plant's radioactive wastes are still stored in unsafe conditions.


According to Voznyak's account, the most detailed ever by a Russian official, the Mayak plant damaged the surrounding environment in three stages after its construction in 1948.

For the first seven years, the plant dumped radioactive waste into the local river, poisoning the drinking and irrigation water of 124,000 people, he said.

The most serious radiation, in 1957, resulted from an explosion of nuclear wastes that caused thousands of casualties. Ten years later, Lake Karachai dried up and radioactive wastes dumped there were scattered by the winds over populated areas.



Incredible story. Today, of course, our leaders would protect the People. Not.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:08 PM

10. Fascinating

Why are there so many people there today?

Have you seen this:

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:27 PM

14. Wow! The early 1960s saw an, uh, explosion in testing...

Thank you, Oilwellian. That is an outstanding animation.

The enormous number of tests in the early 1960s -- when Kruschev and Kennedy headed the two sides -- was incredibly important. The leaders, we now see, wanted peace. Their war departments wanted, uh, testing.

Andrei Sakharov wrote about it:

The Most Terrible Lesson


The guy was worried about above-ground testing contaminating humanity. Compassion! What a concept.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:40 PM

15. You're welcome

It's amazing we don't have horns growing out of our foreheads. LOL

I thought you would appreciate this visual of the Cold War. It shows just how irresponsible world leaders can be.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:13 PM

12. Excellent

So much bad craziness to learn about...

-- Mal

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Response to malthaussen (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 05:49 PM

20. Nuclear war is crazy. Nuclear weapons are crazy. Nuclear power is crazy.

Yet, we devote trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars to nuclear stuff.
If this were a true democracy*, that would be crazy.
As it is, there's a reason for it: National Security
(and the more private property you got, the more security you get).

US nuclear tab at $5.8 trillion

South News July 1

Washington: In an enormous drain on resources the United States has spent $5.8 trillion on nuclear weapons according to a new study

A four-year study of newly declassified Pentagon documents, released yesterday by the Brookings Institute, looked at the expenditures of producing and deploying nuclear explosives over the past 5 1/2 decades with current spending on the arsenal at about $35 billion annually, or roughly 15 percent of the total defense budget.

Since the birth of the atomic weapons program in 1940, a total of $5.5 trillion was spent through 1996, the Washington think tank reports. That is 29 percent of all U.S. military spending and almost 11 percent of all government spending through the 52 years.

In the first comprehensive audit of the US nuclear arsenal,it calculated costs for research, development, deployment, command and control, defenses and dismantlement. The U.S. government has never attempted to track these costs, and whether the weapons helped to bring down the Soviet Union, against whom most of the arms were aimed after World War II, remains an open question, Stephen I. Schwartz, chairman of the four-year study, said in the report.

"Given the significant sums expended on nuclear weapons and their central role in the cold war, it is striking that so few have expressed an interest in either the cumulative or the annual costs,'' Schwartz wrote.


Highlights of the report:

• The United States produced 70,000 nuclear warheads between 1945 and 1990, with an arsenal that peaked in the 1960s at 32,000 warheads
• Making the warheads was relatively inexpensive. Firing, storing and handling them was extremely costly. The 70,000 warheads cost $409.4 billion, only about 7 percent of the total. But thousands of aircraft, submarines, ships, missiles, and a large network of factories, bases and personnel cost $3.241 trillion.
• In 1996 dollars, the World War II Manhattan Project cost more than $26 billion.
• The United States has produced 65 warhead types for 116 different weapons systems.
• Thirteen major U.S. facilities - including Washington state's Bangor submarine base - handle and maintain nuclear weapons, and cover an area larger than Delaware, Rhode Island and the District of Columbia combined.
• Some 6,135 strategic ballistic missiles were purchased at a cost of $266 billion, as well as 4,680 strategic bombers since World War II at a cost of $227 billion.
• The 2,975 submarine-launched ballistic missiles alone cost $97 billion, said the report. Since their inception, the United States has designed and deployed 14 kinds of strategic bombers. Some 210 nuclear-powered military vessels have been built or are being built.
• The figures include the estimated $7 billion costs of attempting to develop a nuclear-powered airplane, which never got off the ground.
• At the moment, the U.S. nuclear arsenal - long-range strategic and short-range tactical - is estimated at 10,635 warheads.
• The current stockpile has the equivalent explosive force of about 120,000 Hiroshima bombs.
• The United States is spending an estimated $35 billion a year on nuclear weapons and related programs, the Brookings Institution says in a massive study.



These numbers, IMO, are low. Of course, if we had the free press the Constitution mentions, let alone Congress and Executive, we would know the answer.

Something else that bears repeating: Nuclear power and weapons are most un-democratic. Apart from The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, there's almost no one talking about it in the media.

*And not some managed, national security state in service of the plutocrats and their toadies.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:56 AM

33. Creates jobs, doncha know?

Our spending on the Defense Department (I preferred when it was called the War Department -- doublespeak goes back a long way) is nothing more than a means of redistributing wealth from the working class into the pockets of the rich contractors. Funny how nobody mentions that when they start whining about "socialism."

-- Mal

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:18 PM

13. I never heard of this. Thank you for the post. It is so sad to realize how

stupid human beings are and how the most immoral and unethical of the species seem to constantly take control of various societies.

I wonder if we will survive since we do not seem to learn!

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 06:03 PM

22. Some days I feel like that we won't, sabrina 1. Other days, it seems we may.

As you, I always think we should -- as most human beings are good people. As one profound child put it 70 years ago:

“It's really a wonder that I haven't dropped all my ideals, because they seem so absurd and impossible to carry out. Yet I keep them, because in spite of everything, I still believe that people are really good at heart.” ― Anne Frank, The Diary of a Young Girl

Now, the governments are another thing. My 2-cents from last summer which may bear repeating:

Fukushima, Plutonium, CIA, and the BFEE: Deep Doo-Doo Four Ways to Doomsday

The story connects a few dots from the present day back to World War II.

War crime, Yakuza, Secret Government. Why not?

Japan’s Nuclear Industry: The CIA Link.

By Eleanor Warnock
June 1, 2012, 10:18 AM JST.
Wall Street Journal Blog

Tetsuo Arima, a researcher at Waseda University in Tokyo, told JRT he discovered in the U.S. National Archives a trove of declassified CIA files that showed how one man, Matsutaro Shoriki, was instrumental in jumpstarting Japan’s nascent nuclear industry.

Mr. Shoriki was many things: a Class A war criminal, the head of the Yomiuri Shimbun (Japan’s biggest-selling and most influential newspaper) and the founder of both the country’s first commercial broadcaster and the Tokyo Giants baseball team. Less well known, according to Mr. Arima, was that the media mogul worked with the CIA to promote nuclear power.


Mr. Shoriki, backed by the CIA, used his influence to publish articles in the Yomiuri that extolled the virtues of nuclear power, according to the documents found by Mr. Arima. Keen on remilitarizing Japan, Mr. Shoriki endorsed nuclear power in hopes its development would one day arm the country with the ability to make its own nuclear weapons, according to Mr. Arima. Mr. Shoriki’s behind-the-scenes push created a chain reaction in other media that eventually changed public opinion.


Mr. Shoriki, backed by the CIA, used his influence to publish articles in the Yomiuri that extolled the virtues of nuclear power, according to the documents found by Mr. Arima. Keen on remilitarizing Japan, Mr. Shoriki endorsed nuclear power in hopes its development would one day arm the country with the ability to make its own nuclear weapons, according to Mr. Arima. Mr. Shoriki’s behind-the-scenes push created a chain reaction in other media that eventually changed public opinion.



After President Carter was out of office, it was pretty much full-steam ahead for the Japanese bomb during the Pruneface Ronnie-Poppy Bush years. Hence, Fukushima Daiichi Number 3 and other select Japanese reactors were set up to process plutonium uranium fuels.

United States Circumvented Laws To Help Japan Accumulate Tons of Plutonium

By Joseph Trento
on April 9th, 2012
National Security News Service

The United States deliberately allowed Japan access to the United States’ most secret nuclear weapons facilities while it transferred tens of billions of dollars worth of American tax paid research that has allowed Japan to amass 70 tons of weapons grade plutonium since the 1980s, a National Security News Service investigation reveals. These activities repeatedly violated U.S. laws regarding controls of sensitive nuclear materials that could be diverted to weapons programs in Japan. The NSNS investigation found that the United States has known about a secret nuclear weapons program in Japan since the 1960s, according to CIA reports.

The diversion of U.S. classified technology began during the Reagan administration after it allowed a $10 billion reactor sale to China. Japan protested that sensitive technology was being sold to a potential nuclear adversary. The Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations permitted sensitive technology and nuclear materials to be transferred to Japan despite laws and treaties preventing such transfers. Highly sensitive technology on plutonium separation from the U.S. Department of Energy’s Savannah River Site and Hanford nuclear weapons complex, as well as tens of billions of dollars worth of breeder reactor research was turned over to Japan with almost no safeguards against proliferation. Japanese scientist and technicians were given access to both Hanford and Savannah River as part of the transfer process.


A year ago a natural disaster combined with a man-made tragedy decimated Northern Japan and came close to making Tokyo, a city of 30 million people, uninhabitable. Nuclear tragedies plague Japan’s modern history. It is the only nation in the world attacked with nuclear weapons. In March 2011, after a tsunami swept on shore, hydrogen explosions and the subsequent meltdowns of three reactors at the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant spewed radiation across the region. Like the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan will face the aftermath for generations. A twelve-mile area around the site is considered uninhabitable. It is a national sacrifice zone.

How Japan ended up in this nuclear nightmare is a subject the National Security News Service has been investigating since 1991. We learned that Japan had a dual use nuclear program. The public program was to develop and provide unlimited energy for the country. But there was also a secret component, an undeclared nuclear weapons program that would allow Japan to amass enough nuclear material and technology to become a major nuclear power on short notice.



Those of who have seen The World at War series on the tee vee are familiar with the black and white footage and great narrative chronicling the main events and figures of World War II. One of those episodes was entitled "The Bomb" and featured an interview with John J. McCloy, Assistant Secretary of War to President Roosevelt and President Truman.

Here's part of what Mr. McCloy said about the Atomic Bomb – the use of which he counseled only as a last resort, after warning Japan to surrender (around 7:30 mark of Part 2):

“Besides that, we’ve got a new force, a new type of energy that will revolutionize warfare, destructive beyond any contemplation. I’d said, I’d mention the bomb. Mentioning the bomb, even at that late date, in that select group, was like, it was like they were all shocked. Because it was such a closely guarded secret. It was comparable to mentioning Skull and Bones at Yale – which you’re not supposed to do.”

After the war, McCloy was the United States High Commissioner to Germany, administering the U.S. zone of occupation, making him one of the front-line leaders of the Cold War. In that capacity, one of the questionable things he did was to forgive several NAZI industrialists and war criminals.

The great cartoonist Herb Block, HERBLOCK, depicted McCloy holding open a prison door for a NAZI, while in the background Stalin took a photo (if anyone has a copy or link to the cartoon, I’d be much obliged). About 15 years later, Mr. McCloy served the nation as a member of the Warren Commission.

While he wasn’t a member of Skull and Bones, McCloy certainly worked closely with a bunch of them, including Averell Harriman and Prescott Bush. As a Wall Street and Washington insider, "Mr. Establishment" he was called, Mr. McCloy used the offices of government to centralize power and wealth. That is most un-democratic.

Mother Jones goes into detail:

The Nuclear Weapons Industry's Money Bombs

How millions in campaign cash and revolving-door lobbying have kept America's atomic arsenal off the chopping block.

— By R. Jeffrey Smith, Center for Public Integrity
Mother Jones
Wed Jun. 6, 2012 3:00 AM PDT

Employees of private companies that produce the main pieces of the US nuclear arsenal have invested more than $18 million in the election campaigns of lawmakers that oversee related federal spending, and the companies also employ more than 95 former members of Congress or Capitol Hill staff to lobby for government funding, according to a new report.

The Center for International Policy, a nonprofit group that supports the "demilitarization" of US foreign policy, released the report on Wednesday to highlight what it described as the heavy influence of campaign donations and pork-barrel politics on a part of the defense budget not usually associated with large profits or contractor power: nuclear arms.

As Congress deliberated this spring on nuclear weapons-related projects, including funding for the development of more modern submarines and bombers, the top 14 contractors gave nearly $3 million to the 2012 reelection campaigns of lawmakers whose support they needed for these and other projects, the report disclosed.

Half of that sum went to members of the four key committees or subcommittees that must approve all spending for nuclear arms—the House and Senate Armed Services Committees and the Energy and Water or Defense appropriations subcommittees, according to data the Center compiled from the nonprofit Center for Responsive Politics. The rest went to lawmakers who are active on nuclear weapons issues because they have related factories or laboratories in their states or districts.

Members of the House Armed Services Committee this year have sought to erect legislative roadblocks to further reductions in nuclear arms, and also demanded more spending for related facilities than the Obama administration sought, including $100 million in unrequested funds for a new plant that will make plutonium cores for nuclear warheads, and $374 million for a new ballistic missile-firing submarine. The House has approved those requests, but the Senate has not held a similar vote on the 2013 defense bill.



It isn't ironic or coincidental. It is the Establishment, the in-group, the Elite, the One-Percent that’s pretty much gotten the lion’s share of the wealth created over the last 50 years. The same group that’s pretty much had their fingers on the atomic button ever since the Bomb was dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, as well as profited from the development of nuclear power, nuclear weapons, and the almost continuous state of war since then. For lack of a better term, I call them the BFEE, or War Party.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 01:10 AM

30. Amazing post, Octafish! Thank you for all the information. I am not really

surprised that Reagan/Bush allowed the proliferation of Nuclear material. But what is truly disturbing is how much power has been taken by so few and for so long. It does explain why we the people never really have any impact on our government on issues like this.

I remember when Kerry and Bush were running for president, people noted that both had been members of Skull & Bones. I believe it may have been Tim Russert who asked Kerry about his membership and hoped that finally it would be addressed, but Kerry avoided the question which only confirmed for me that there is really something very sinister about this 'secret society' frankly and truly disappointing that a Dem was a part of it.

Thanks for all the work you do to keep us informed, it is truly appreciated.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:52 PM

16. K & R

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Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:56 AM

34. The last time something similar happened was just down the road in Tunguska...

Meteor Is Not Siberia's First Brush With Objects Falling From Space

The New York Times
Published: February 15, 2013

The apparent explosion of a small meteor over Siberia early on Friday was not the first time that that part of the world has had a too-close encounter with a space rock. The region was the scene of what is believed to be the largest space-related explosion in human history, 105 years ago.

The Tunguska Event, as it is known, occurred the morning of June 30, 1908, in a largely uninhabited forested area near the Podkamennaya Tunguska River in central Siberia. The site is about 1,200 miles northeast of Chelyabinsk, the Siberian city where some of the damage and injuries occurred Friday.

Scientists believe that an asteroid was the culprit, traveling in a northwesterly direction and exploding at the altitude of a jetliner, about five miles. Various estimates of the size of the object have been calculated over the years; recent calculations suggest it was relatively small, perhaps less than 100 feet in diameter. It's been estimated that the explosion was as powerful as a medium-sized hydrogen bomb, and at least several hundred times more powerful than the atomic bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima.

The airburst flattened tens of millions of trees over an area of about 800 square miles. Among the few eyewitness accounts there were reports of windows breaking and trees snapping 40 miles away. There are no accounts of injuries.

Field expeditions in the remote area in the 1950s and '60s determined from the direction of tree falls the precise location of the blast. The pattern of destruction on the ground was irregular, with fewer trees flattened in front of the blast site and more to the sides. Experiments in the 1960s showed that this was due to the interaction of two shock waves: one caused by the flight of the object, the other by the explosion itself.



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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:52 PM

17. do we deserve the planet we live on?


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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:20 AM

31. "The earth is an organism, and that organism has a skin; that skin has diseases...

...and one of these diseases is man." -- Nietzsche

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 01:09 PM

35. Maybe most do, certainly. Others, not so much.

Have you heard about Hylozoism? Adherents believe the universe itself is alive. Now that science is catching up with philosophy, who knows? Fritjof Capra brought the ideas up for discussion in his Tao of Physics:


Either way, leftyohiolib, we give thanks every day.

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Fri Feb 15, 2013, 05:39 PM

19. Mount Yamantau (evil mountain)...

Last edited Fri Feb 15, 2013, 07:08 PM - Edit history (1)


Large excavation projects have been observed by U.S. satellite imagery as recently as the late 1990s, during the time of Boris Yeltsin's government after the fall of the Soviet Union.[1] Two garrisons, Beloretsk-15 and Beloretsk-16, were built on top of the facility, and possibly a third, Alkino-2, as well, and became the closed town of Mezhgorye in 1995. They are said to house 30,000 workers each. Repeated U.S. questions have yielded several different responses from the Russian government regarding Mount Yamantaw.[2] They have said it is a mining site, a repository for Russian treasures, a food storage area, and a bunker for leaders in case of nuclear war.[3] Responding to questions regarding Yamantaw in 1996, Russia's Defense Ministry stated: "The practice does not exist in the Defense Ministry of Russia of informing foreign mass media about facilities, whatever they are, that are under construction in the interests of strengthening the security of Russia."[3] Large rail lines serve the facility.[3]

Mount Yamantaw is near one of Russia's last remaining nuclear labs, Chelyabinsk-70, raising speculation that it already houses nuclear weapons. Russian newspapers reported in 1996 that it is a part of the "Dead Hand" nuclear retaliatory command structure.

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Response to AntiFascist (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:03 PM

37. Chelyabinsk-70 / Snezhinsk

Russian Federal Nuclear Center

All-Russian Institute of Technical Physics (VNIITF)

N 56°04' E 60°44'

Chelyabinsk-70, currently Snezhinsk, is a home to the Russian Federal Nuclear Center - the All-Russian Institute of Technical Physics (VNIITF), Russia's one of two principal warhead design centers. (The Institute of Experimental Physics, VNIIEF, in Arzamas-16 is the other principal warhead design center.) The need for a second weapons center emerged in the early 1950s due to the rapid expansion of the Soviet nuclear weapons development program.

Chelyabinsk-70 was established on April 5, 1955 near the lake Sinara, 80 km south of Sverdlovsk (and 20 km north of Kasli). Approximately one third of Arzamas-16's personnel was moved to Chelyabinsk-70, which was initially known as Scientific Research Institute 1011 [NII-1011]. First specialists started arriving to the site in August 1955, and, already in 1957, a thermonuclear device, which was designed with participation of experts from Chelyabinsk-70, was successfully tested. The existence of the Institute and the city had not been made public until 1992.

The primary mission of VNIITF is designing nuclear weapons and providing scientific support to nuclear weapons throughout their life-cycle. The Institute is responsible for all gravity bombs and SLBM warheads as well as for numerous other types of strategic and tactical weapons. It also was the primary designer of peaceful nuclear explosive devices.

The Research Institute of Technical Physics, was founded in 1955 in Snezhinsk, Chelyabinsk Region, in the Urals to provide a redundant nuclear facility in case of war, and to create a competitive environment and accelerate nuclear arms development. It was in October 1961, when the first «product» developed and manufactured by the new institute was tested. Later it was used in nuclear aviation bombs which were in service with the Soviet Air Force for a long time. In the 1960s, the Center launched R&D to miniaturize and improve reliability of the systems. The Air Force tactical units began receiving new, smaller nuclear bombs, which could be carried by supersonic fighters and attack aircraft. Nuclear depth charges were also developed for use against submarines, including those operating under the ice cap. VNIITF was mainly involved in developing strategic systems for the Navy; cruise missiles, aviation bombs and artillery projectiles. This Institute developed and manufactured the smallest nuclear charge for the 152mm artillery projectile, the lightest ICBM warhead; and the most economical (in terms of the weight of fissile material) nuclear charge. In the field of non-nuclear munitions, over 20 R&D projects were completed to produce warheads for SAMs, ASMs and antimissile missiles. A series of special-purpose variable-yield nuclear charges were developed. They were compact and left a small quantity of residual tritium after detonation. These charges were used for extinguishing fires at oil and gas deposits, producing underground cavities and gathering mains, as well as for deep geological survey.

The Institute has extensive theoretical and experimental capabilities for designing and non-nuclear testing of nuclear weapons. The State Plants No. 1 and No. 2 are capable of manufacturing experimental and pilot units of nuclear warheads.


The Russian Federal Nuclear Center is marketing to qualified recipients a range of technical products and services related to nuclear engineering, nuclear isotope production, explosives, supercomputing, high temperature processes, computer modeling, and advanced research in physics. Barter arrangements relating to environmental cleanup are also of interest.

Regional Context

Chelyabinsk Oblast is a highly-industrialized region that was almost entirely closed to foreigners for fifty years. The oblast has three major population centers -- the capital, Chelyabinsk (pop. 1.2million), Magnitogorsk (pop. 1 million), and Miass (pop. 300,000). The oblast is located one thousand miles east of Moscow in the heart of the Ural mountain chain. Chelyabinsk and Miass are on the main line of the Trans-Siberian Railroad.

The Makeyev Rocketry Center in Miass was the principle supplier of strategic ballistic missiles to the Russian submarine forces. The firm operates unique test facilities for hydraulic, acceleration, sonic boom, and vacuum testing.



Sounds like a busy place.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 05:55 PM

21. Snezhinsk (Chelyabinsk-70)...


It was founded in 1957, and was known as Chelyabinsk-70 until 1991.[citation needed] During the Soviet era, it was a closed city, too secret to be shown on maps. Town status was granted to it in 1993

Snezhinsk is one of two centers of the Russian nuclear program (the other one is Sarov) and is built around a major scientific research institute—"All-Russian Scientific Research Center of Technical Physics—Federal Nuclear Center".

Snezhinsk is a sister city of Livermore, California, United States.

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Response to AntiFascist (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:16 PM

38. Chelyabinsk-40

In Soviet Russia, Lake Contaminates You

Alan Bellows


Unable to shed much heat, the concentrated radioactive slurry continued to increase in temperature within the defective 80,000 gallon containers. On 29 September 1957, one tank reached an estimated 660 degrees Fahrenheit. At 4:20pm local time, the explosive salt deposits in the bottom of the vat detonated. The blast ignited the contents of the other dried-out tanks, producing a combined explosive force equivalent to about 85 tons of TNT. The thick concrete lid which covered the cooling trench was hurled eighty feet away, and seventy tons of highly radioactive fission products were ejected into the open atmosphere. The buildings at Chelyabinsk-40 shuddered as they were buffeted by the shock wave.

While investigators probed the blast site in protective suits, a mile-high column of radionuclides dragged across the landscape. The gamma-emitting dust cloud spread hazardous isotopes of cesium and strontium over 9,000 square miles, affecting some 270,000 Soviet citizens and their food supplies. Over twenty megacuries (MCi) of radioactivity were released, almost half of that expelled by the Chernobyl incident.


Many locals were hospitalized with radiation poisoning in the weeks after the waste-tank blast, but the Soviet state forbade doctors from disclosing the true nature of the illnesses. Instead, physicians were instructed to diagnose sufferers with ambiguous "blood problems" and "vegetative syndromes." The Russian government likewise withheld the colossal calamity from the international community. Within two years, the radiation killed all of the pine trees within a twelve mile radius of Chelyabinsk-40. Highway signs were erected at the edges of the contaminated zone, imploring travelers to roll up their windows while traversing the deteriorated swath of Earth, and to not stop for any reason.

Welcome to Chelyabinsk, comrade. No Loitering.

Ten years later, in 1967, a severe drought struck the Chelyabinsk Province. Much to the Russian scientists' alarm, shallow Lake Karachay gradually began to shrink from its shores. Over several months the water dwindled considerably, leaving the lake about half-empty (or half-full, if you're more upbeat). This exposed the radioactive sediment in the lake basin, and fifteen years' worth of radionuclides took to the breeze. About 900 square miles of land was peppered with Strontium-90, Cesium-137, and other unhealthy elements. Almost half a million residents were in the path of this latest dust cloud of doom, many of them the same people who had been affected by the 1957 waste-tank explosion.


Thirty-nine years of effluent had saturated the lake with nasty isotopes, including an estimated 120 megacuries of long-lived radiation. In contrast, the Chernobyl incident released roughly 100 megacuries of radiation into the environment, but only about 3 megacuries of Strontium-90 and Cesium-137. A delegation who visited Lake Karachay in 1990 measured the radiation at the point where the effluent entered the water, and the needles of their Geiger counters danced at about 600 Röntgens per hour--enough to provide a lethal dose in one hour. They did not linger long.



Thank you, AntiFascist, for your help on this thread and the rest throughout the years. These are the interesting times we were warned about.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 06:19 PM

23. "Dead Hand" (nuclear war)....


Dead Hand (Russian: Система «Периметр», Systema "Perimetr",[1] known also as Perimeter,[2] is a Cold-War-era nuclear-control system used by the Soviet Union. General speculation from insiders alleges that the system remains in use in post-Soviet Russia. An example of fail-deadly deterrence, it can automatically trigger the launch of the Russian Intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) if a nuclear strike is detected by seismic, light, radioactivity and overpressure sensors. By most accounts, it is normally switched off and is supposed to be activated during dangerous crises only. However, it is said to remain fully functional and able to serve its purpose whenever needed.[3]

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Response to AntiFascist (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 06:41 PM

24. Dead Hand Doomsday Device

And to think the BFEE thinks nuclear war is winnable.

JFK was offered a chance to strike the USSR before they could strike us back, and he not only refused, he ordered the Joint Chiefs and CIA Director Dulles to STFU about it in perpetuity. It was not until around the time Robert McNamara was working on his important memoir published in the mid-90s that the one surviving copy of the meeting minutes was found.

Oh. The optimum time to strike the Soviets was "late 1963." I kid you not.

Did the U.S. Military Plan a Nuclear First Strike for 1963?

Recently declassified information shows that the military presented President Kennedy with a plan for a surprise nuclear attack on the Soviet Union in the early 1960s.

James K. Galbraith and Heather A. Purcell
The American Prospect | September 21, 1994

During the early 1960s the intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) introduced the world to the possibility of instant total war. Thirty years later, no nation has yet fired any nuclear missile at a real target. Orthodox history holds that a succession of defensive nuclear doctrines and strategies -- from "massive retaliation" to "mutual assured destruction" -- worked, almost seamlessly, to deter Soviet aggression against the United States and to prevent the use of nuclear weapons.

The possibility of U.S. aggression in nuclear conflict is seldom considered. And why should it be? Virtually nothing in the public record suggests that high U.S. authorities ever contemplated a first strike against the Soviet Union, except in response to a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, or that they doubted the deterrent power of Soviet nuclear forces. The main documented exception was the Air Force Chief of Staff in the early 1960s, Curtis LeMay, a seemingly idiosyncratic case.

But beginning in 1957 the U.S. military did prepare plans for a preemptive nuclear strike against the U.S.S.R., based on our growing lead in land-based missiles. And top military and intelligence leaders presented an assessment of those plans to President John F. Kennedy in July of 1961. At that time, some high Air Force and CIA leaders apparently believed that a window of outright ballistic missile superiority, perhaps sufficient for a successful first strike, would be open in late 1963.

The document reproduced opposite is published here for the first time. It describes a meeting of the National Security Council on July 20, 1961. At that meeting, the document shows, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the director of the CIA, and others presented plans for a surprise attack. They answered some questions from Kennedy about timing and effects, and promised further information. The meeting recessed under a presidential injunction of secrecy that has not been broken until now.



For some, no doubt classified, reason this is not found in the history books, history programs, official history or general discourse of anything public. If it were, more people than Smedley Butler would connect the dots and realize what a scam these gangsters in the MIC are running on America.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 06:50 PM

25. Oliver Stone covers this in his "Untold History of the United States" series on HBO...

The secret U-2 spy plane flights actually discovered that the Soviet ICBM program had become stalled, which provided a limited opportunity to win in a direct conflict with the Soviet Union, even though it would have still put millions of Americans at risk. No wonder we were being told to "duck and cover".

David Talbot also covers this in his book about JFK and RFK, and how RFK continued to exploit the back channels JFK had established to negotiate peace rather than war. According to Talbot, RFK also told the Soviets not to worry in that he knew the JFK assassination was the result of a domestic plot, not a Soviet one.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 07:05 PM

27. woa.


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Sun Feb 17, 2013, 09:30 AM

39. Inside the Zone

Inside the Zone

10.17.2007 | ENVIRONMENT

CHELYABINSK — It was just after four o'clock in the afternoon on September 29, 1957, when the cooling system failed at the Mayak nuclear complex inside the closed military town of Chelyabinsk-65. Two hundred and fifty cubic meters of volatile liquid uranium waste overheated, then combusted. The fireball shot a kilometer into the sky, where the toxic clouds caught wind and drifted northeast, slicing at roughly 45 degrees between the two nearest cities, Chelyabinsk in the south and Yekaterinburg in the north. It was a less lucky wind for the more than 200 villages and settlements under the fallout's fated path. According to state maps of what is officially known as the "East Ural Radioactive Trace Zone," this path stretched 50 km wide and 300 km long.

The blast in Chelyabinsk-65, since renamed Ozersk, was one of the twentieth-century's best-kept secrets. Its full scope known only to a handful of Soviet officials for more than three decades, it was the first major accident of the atomic age. Until Chernobyl melted down, it was also the largest.

A quarter of a million people were irradiated in the days following the September 1957 explosion. Most of them were soon resettled outside the inner trace zone at the state's expense. But not all of them. Fifteen years after the truth about Mayak spilled out, many of those left behind now believe that while the '57 blast was an accident, their subsequent suffering was part of large-scale human radiation experiment. The question hangs over the East Urals Trace Zone like a mist: Why were some villages evacuated, and others not?

For those left behind, exposure continues through radioactive isotopes in the soil and water with decay rates measured in millennia, and through fresh leakage of radioactive material from Ozersk. For their children and grandchildren, the legacy of 1957 was passed on in the womb.

"This is an intergenerational catastrophe," says Vladimir Chouprov, a nuclear specialist with Greenpeace Russia, which helped organize a demonstration commemorating the 50th anniversary of the Mayak blast last week in Chleyabinsk. "We are seeing the second and third generations living amid radioactive contamination, both accidental and systemic."



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Response to Octafish (Reply #39)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:27 PM

42. jesus.....

I feel numb. o.O

And nauseous.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 07:55 PM

29. For a little perspective...

Here's a disaster map, showing where the meteor exploded over Russia and the proximity to Ozyorsk:


(credit to Gabby Hayes who shared that link in a thread on the meteor over in Latest Breaking News last night)

Thank you, Octafish, for providing much thought and massive new readings for us. I do think I remember an older thread you'd done on this, as I can recall reading that page about "The Most Contaminated Place on Earth: Chelyabinsk-40" and just found it already bookmarked in my favorites.

Kick and Recommend!

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Response to countryjake (Reply #29)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 09:51 AM

40. CIA covered up USSR nuclear disaster to protect US nuclear business...

...including nuclear weapons programs, research and spending.


Thank you, countryjake! I very much appreciate you bookmarking the OP from a ways back. If it's this one, it connected some dots Corporate McPravda has no interst in joining, let alone bring to our attention.


I reincarnated the thing in Reply 22 above. It's not literature, but bears repeating.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:06 PM

41. "Residents of the meteor were terrified to see Chelyabinsk approaching."


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Response to slackmaster (Reply #41)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:31 PM

47. They would have wanted to wear every ounce of extra-lead shielding they had on board.

Mark Hertsgaard scouted out the place, back in '06:

Return to Chelyabinsk

Mark Hertsgaard
The Nation, November 13, 2006

Aside from the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the meltdown at Chernobyl is commonly regarded as the deadliest nuclear catastrophe in history. But in fact that unhappy distinction belongs to another place in the former Soviet Union, a place called Chelyabinsk. Tucked behind the Ural Mountains far from European invaders, the oblast of Chelyabinsk has provided armaments for Russian rulers since the time of the czars. After World War II, it became a center of Soviet nuclear weapons production. Between 1946 and 1967, Chelyabinsk experienced three interlocking disasters whose cumulative damage not only exceeds Chernobyl's but persists to this day. The difference is, the Chelyabinsk disasters did not become global media events. On the contrary: They were kept secret for decades by both the KGB and the CIA, each of which apparently feared an informed public as much as it feared the enemy arsenal.

Now the people and ecosystems of Chelyabinsk may suffer anew, thanks to the desire of George W. Bush and Vladimir Putin to boost their nations' respective nuclear industries. At the G-8 summit this past July, Bush and Putin announced their joint desire to increase nuclear energy use and reactor exports, a move they asserted would increase global energy security. If the plan is implemented, much of the waste those reactors will generate may well end up in Chelyabinsk.

Nuclear waste has been the Achilles' heel of the nuclear-industrial complex from the beginning, and so it is with the Bush-Putin plan. Civilian nuclear reactors produce not only electricity but spent fuel. As North Korea's recent weapons test illustrated, spent fuel from nonmilitary reactors can be "mined" to extract plutonium for weapons use. To guard against that, the Bush-Putin plan requires countries that import reactors to return all spent fuel to the exporting country for reprocessing and use in breeder reactors. But since no civilian reprocessing facilities yet exist in Russia or the United States, in the interim the waste will have to be stored.

That's where Chelyabinsk comes in. The Bush Administration does not want to bring nuclear waste to the United States but seems happy to see it go to Russia, assuming US law can be altered accordingly. In that event, the Mayak nuclear complex in Chelyabinsk is the most probable storage site, says Vladimir Slivyak, an activist with the Russian group Ecodefense who has long tracked, and opposed, government efforts to import nuclear waste.



Given a choice, I'd also give the region a wide berth, not just for its contamination, but for its reason d'etre: nuclear weaponry.

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Tue Feb 19, 2013, 11:31 PM

43. The oversight by the Soviet government was so extreme, doctors were not allowed to cite cancer as a

cause of death on death certificates.

snip >

Current nuclear doctrine states workers should not be exposed to more than 2 Roentgen Equivalent Man (REM) per year. We know during the first year at Chelyabinsk-40 workers were exposed to 93.6 REM, over 45 times the recommended maximum exposure. By 1951, workers were exposed to 113.3 REM each year with some of the extreme cases seeing workers exposed to 400 REM.

snip >

Chelyabinsk-40 Today
Today radioactivity in the ground water around Lake Karachay has migrated several kilometers and it is said anyone standing on the lake shore would receive a lethal dose of about 600 REM in an hour. Since 1978 Soviet authorities have been working on the cleanup, filling the lake with hollow concrete blocks, rock, and soil to help reduce the dispersion of radioactivity. Today, cleanup efforts have the lake nearly filled; only a small reservoir remains.

Thanks so much for this, Octafish. An absolutely great thread, so much info. I still have more links to read, but holy crap.

How did I miss this?! The current ongoing nightmare there is no surprise, unfortunately. I'm afraid TEPCO is in the midst of creating an even worse catastrophe, the way they are spreading radiation across Japan, not that it wasn't already, but...

I am steadily coming to believe the "not with a bang, but with a whimper" scenario for the extinction of most of the species on this planet.

The small mention about the dandelions was creepy. Anecdotal, I realize, but in 2011, when the dandelions started for the year, my grandson brought me one with, iirc, six stems and one head. We noticed many, many strange dandelions that year. One stem, eight heads - stems that grew to between two and three feet long, some thick and others thin.

I wish now that I had taken photos, not sure why I didn't. Denial maybe?

Thanks for your wonderful contributions to my ongoing education in this roller coaster called Life!

PS - And it pisses me off to no end when those jerks start their crap with you, though you handle them so succinctly. And still they persist that they have all truth. What is that quote? Fools are so certain of themselves and wise ones carry the doubts. Damn senility!

Have a good week!

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #43)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:14 AM

44. TEPCO Rose

First: Thank you for the kind words, mnemosyne. We've been many years in the good fight together. It's easy to spot those who aren't. They always find the time to defend the indefensible.

One under the radar player for the side of power just came to my attention:


Something important everyone should know about plutonium:


Guide of Good Practices for Occupational Radiological Protection in Plutonium Facilities


4.2.3 Characteristics of Plutonium Contamination

There are few characteristics of plutonium contamination that are unique. Plutonium
contamination may be in many physical and chemical forms. (See Section 2.0 for the many potential sources of plutonium contamination from combustion products of a plutonium fire to radiolytic products from long-term storage.) The one characteristic that many believe is unique to plutonium is its ability to migrate with no apparent motive force. Whether from alpha recoil or some other mechanism, plutonium contamination, if not contained or removed, will spread relatively rapidly throughout an area.

SOURCE (PDF file format): http://www.hss.doe.gov/nuclearsafety/techstds/docs/standard/DOE-STD-1128-2008.pdf

Some science news that seems to have been missed, with Kim in Rio, the fiscal cliff, and all the fireballs and all.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #44)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 09:51 AM

46. This information chills me to the bone. I never realized this property of plutonium, holy cow! I am

absolutely sickened realizing how ignorant the masses are being kept regarding the situation in Japan and nuclear 'safety' in general. Leaks everywhere in this country, ignored for years. Nuke plants built on fault lines! It is insane.

It affects the entire world and though there probably isn't much that can be done about it at this point, we are still entitled to know the truth.

Thanks again for working to educate the masses, Octafish.

And though I am getting extremely tired of smashing my head into that brick wall over and over, i will never, ever, shut my mouth about what is right and truth. Mom always said my mouth would get me in trouble, and it has a few times, but nothing causes me to see red more than being told to "be careful what I say".

I am proud to be in the fight with you.

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #46)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:33 PM

49. Fukushima

A selection of articles that may be of interest, mostly from 2011...

Before and After photo show significant tsunami damage...

On the Poet's Trail

Helicopter pictures show devastation inside Fukushima reactor towers

Governments Covering Up Nuclear Meltdowns for 50 Years to Protect the Nuclear Power Industry

Surviving Chernobyl Cleaner: 'Tell The People Of Japan To Run!'

What part of what he said wasn't true?

First thing I'd do if I were fighting this nuclear disaster is get the Team the best gear.

The Return of Nukespeak

TEPCO - Plutonium is not dangerous. Where's the Boss?

Toxic plutonium seeping from Japan's nuclear plant

Japan's Nuclear Rescuers: 'Inevitable Some of Them May Die Within Weeks'

Fukushima from Space

Japan Nuclear Power Plants

Absolutely. A real shame - man's hubris.

Japan Nuclear Power Plants

A more-recent satellite image of Fukushima Daiichi reactors 1-4...

The SCALE of the devastation is incredible.

Jimmy Carter, USN - Nuclear Hero

Utility Engineer Warned of Tsunami Threat at Japanese Nuclear Plant

Voyage to Fukushima Daiichi

TEPCO was warned and took the cheapskate's way out.

Fukushima owners failed to follow emergency manual - report

The people's ancestors left monuments to remind them of the dangers...

Fukushima tsunami plan a single page

Doubts deepen over TEPCO truthfulness after president's sightseeing trip uncovered

Atomic Samurai -IAEA Humbled By Worker Courage at Fukushima Daiichi

Fukushima Radiation Data Quarantined by Governments of Japan and the United States. Why?

Absolutely. And some, if not most, cancer deaths can be avoided with forewarning and knowledge.

''We never meant to conceal the information, but it never occurred to us to make it public.''

Fukushima Daiichi Mystery Man Steps Forward

The Fukushima Crisis Demonstrates how Lowly the Global Elites Hold the Common People

Plutonium detected 40km from Fukushima plant

Trivializing Fukushima

Fukushima, Plutonium, CIA, and the BFEE: Deep Doo-Doo Four Ways to Doomsday

A Public Service Announcement about Plutonium

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Response to Octafish (Reply #49)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:46 PM

50. Are you trying to make my brain explode!? Awesome collection of links, good thing it's a snowstorm

outside today!

I will always believe people are entitled to the truth, good or bad. The propaganda I have seen increasingly used in this country over the last forty years is astounding.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 02:00 AM

45. Woah, important stuff here. K&R, n/t.

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Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:00 PM

48. Recommended

Thank you Octafish, for continuing to be a source of information and discussion on important issues.

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