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Winter Storm Nemo is now poised to become the latest example of a powerful, potentially historic, February storm.
Blizzard warnings have now been issued from parts of southern and eastern New England, including Boston, Hartford and Providence, to the New York City metro area and Long Island.
We lay out the forecast of heavy snow on this page, and layout the threats from damaging winds, coastal flooding, and travel impact on the following pages. Click the "next" button or "quick links" below to jump to those major threats:
http://www.weather.com/news/weather-winter/winter-storm-nemo-20130206
Boston's transit authority will suspend all modes of transportation Friday-- including the T - starting at 3:30pm. #Nemo
https://twitter.com/TWCBreaking/status/299650572351582208
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)That's way worse than the last time I checked.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)I have bottled water and canned goods and some candles. I will have to get to the liquor store tomorrow before it hits.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Hello Boston... are you ready?
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)All the schools are closed already and I would suspect that very few people will actually be going into work tomorrow except for essential personnel. It will be like a ghost town. I am actually kind of looking forward to it, as long as we don't lose power.
I live right in the middle of the city, so we won't have the problem w/ downed trees and power lines, but you never know. I may have to go get some extra candles early tomorrow just in case. At least I have a lot of books to read in case I can't go on line or watch movies.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:58 PM - Edit history (1)
Then you can tell us how its going during the storm. I remember huge ICE STORMS in New York state, seeing frozen lines break and crackle in the snow. I remember the snow plows knocking over our mail boxes, and having to dig out the drive way, after a snow plow went by it. I remember a giant snow bank blocking our front door, and we had to go around back to get to the front, and dig out the front door. I remember being bundled up in five layers of clothing (Kinda like Ralphie"s brother in the Christmas Story.)
I remember building snow forts and snowball fights... but mostly it being so darn cold, we couldn't stay outside, in the powder packed snow. Huge clumps of snow falling down, and getting 3 feet within an hour.
I am so happy to be home in California... Stay warm and Safe back there! (I just called my parents, they know about it and are making some preparations.)
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)ground zero. I grew up in Upstate NY where we had violent winters - below zero temperatures, snowbanks that covered the first floor of our house and numerous days where nobody could go to work or school. Things have changed since then, but perhaps we are going back to those days.
wandy
(3,539 posts)I just hope everyone there uses some common sense, makes some preparations and stays safe.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Its like the time I went cross country skiing with friends in UTAH. It was a beautiful day, but cold as hell, and there was fresh powder there from the day before. My friend, a ski instructor took us out for a few hours.. he nearly got us buried in an avalanche. I mean, seriously came close to dying that day.. but it was something we all agreed to do.
I don't think I would ever do it again, and I remember the party that night which was awesome..I guess we were all happy to be alive. But no, I wouldn't want to go do that ever again. "Been there, done that" as the saying goes. I am happy to be right where I am!
Wednesdays
(17,359 posts)"What, there's gonna be a snowstorm?"
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Blizzard of '78, Portland was up and running in two days. In Boston, it took the better part of a week.
Portland actually has plows, snowbank shavers, and snow dumping grounds. Your nephew should be okay.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Stores are packed. Almost everything is canceled for tomorrow.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)I have lived though huge snow storms in upstate NY. I know how bad they can get. I remember listening to the radio waiting for our elementary school to close. I hated digging out the drive way, or putting the mail box on a post, back up, after the snow plow knocked it over. I remember power lines snapping and sparking in the snow banks... or cars running off the road and ending up in a snow bank.
Being stranded in a car..in the snow.. is the worst thing in the world, and potentially deadly.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I grew up in the Adirondack foothills, north of Utica. We would often have such cold winters that our pipes would freeze and cars wouldn't start. Getting completely snowed in was a regular event, as were snow days (woo hoo! ).
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)My parents are doing okay..my dad hates shoveling snow. I guess He should have gotten a snow blower.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)My mom is the sort that has tons of supplies stocked. I'm sure she'll be okay, but I'll check, nonetheless.
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AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)You think an impending disaster is a joke? I have parents that live in NY state. AM I worried about them? Damn straight.
CatWoman
(79,296 posts)Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:02 PM - Edit history (1)
A lot of folks seem to be more aggressive and ruder than usual today. I appreciate your post drawing people's attention to the coming storm. There's a good chance some from here have family in the region who may not know and need a heads up.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)I don't know what motives someone to jump on someone and criticize about a weather warning. If they lived in Tahiti..and there was a breeze coming, no one would jump up and down and freak out about, but this is different, and yeah... Its not like this is FOX NEWS..pumping out bullshit.
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)I never knew we had The Weather Channel haters here. Sure they try and make weather "sexy" but that's the only way they can get some folks to pay attention to it. It in no way makes the facts of what they're reporting any less important.
It's as if we don't argue around here over enough things and we need to create more, or something. It's just silly.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Amazing. smh.
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)Maybe the CDC should check DU for an outbreak of Crabby Pants. We may be getting close to the epidemic level.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)WTH is wrong with some people???
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:33 PM - Edit history (1)
I never even thought to alert on it.. I don't understand this hate for the Weather Channel. Its not like they are FOX NEWS. This is all new to me. I sure like them better than that.. weatherbug.com where they have tons of spyware attached to your weather alert program that you upload.
I guess some people just have to hate on stuff, even if it doesn't make any sense. Thank you, also, btw!
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)My elderly parents are in NJ and was hoping to find a discussion on this potentially deadly storm. Pay no mind to those who are disconnected from reality. Thanks, and best wishes for your parents.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Thank you! Yorokonde, its my pleasure.
Rhiannon12866
(205,237 posts)They've been showing all the closings at the bottom of the screen on the Albany channels since yesterday morning. Stopped at the grocery store on my way home after 10pm and there was a line at that hour! Just looked out and it's started already, but according to the Albany weather, it's supposed to be at its worst from Friday night into Saturday. Hope everybody's prepared and stays safe out there!
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,237 posts)We still have power, rarely lose it here since it's a fairly new area, though we are surrounded by woods. However, the snowplows don't come by that often, either. My friend already reminded me to stock up on coffee and toilet paper, LOL.
Just grateful to be safe and warm tonight and hoping everybody else here in the Northeast stays safe...
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)Earth_First
(14,910 posts)Over the weekend, we can handle it.
IcyPeas
(21,860 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)thevoiceofreason
(3,440 posts)The winter storm it has no name, it has no name.
The winter storm it has no name - the Weather Channel is to blame.
For silly tags it tries to hang.
And now, it's gonna snow.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)the recent naming of all storms is a little odd!
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)except the weather channel.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)All these names are originating from the Weather Channel?
I did not know that!
Weird...
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Curious because this a very recent trend, right?
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)to some end.
Edit: Here's your answer: The Weather Channel decided that naming winter storms would help with branding (more or less). It used to be that the only storms that ever received names were hurricanes. Hurricanes are named by the World Meteorological Organization, an agency of the United Nations that has been around since the 1950s and exists to provide research and education about the climate, atmosphere and weather. To be completely clear: the World Meteorological Organization, the world's top authority on the weather, does not name winter storms. Winter storms are not considered to be unusual or dangerous enough to be given names.
The Weather Channel, however, decided to start naming winter storms during the 2012-13 winter storm season. In an effort to increase awareness and enhance communication of disruptive, impactful winter storms, The Weather Channel will name winter storms starting in the 2012-2013 season.
In short, the reason why winter storm Nemo is called winter storm Nemo is that it appears helps to drive web traffic for The Weather Channel. The current "Top news" link on Twitter for the hashtag "Nemo" links to weather.com.
http://www.forextv.com/forex-news-story/why-are-winter-storms-like-nemo-named-hint-web-traffic
zappaman
(20,606 posts)I just assumed it was television stations.
Here in LA, if an inch of rain might happen, the lead story is STORMWATCH 2013 with crazy graphics and some reporter standing live outsides where they report "Well, Bob, it's not raining here yet...".
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Just wondering.
kind of question is that?
I merely pointed out that the weather channel is the only people that are naming winter storms to get more web hits/sensationalize it/make more money,call and ask them maybe.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)I understand the weather is unpredictable.. But you should give them some credit. They do a great service... and yes some people need to know whats happening with major weather storms. A lot of lives will be saved because people have the option to go to the weather channel and find out whats going on.
eggplant
(3,911 posts)And yea, the Caital Region is looking at 12-18 inches. I'm fairly unconcerned. We have a generator and two Subarus.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Well, piss on everyone who isn't as special as you...like all the people along coastal NJ/NY who are still recovering from Sandy.
Do you care about the elderly, poor and sick who don't have generators and multiple Subarus?
eggplant
(3,911 posts)You know nothing about me. You have no idea whether I open my home to my neighbors, provide them heat, shelter, running water, internet access. You don't know whether I give generously to many causes. You have no idea what is in my heart.
So back the fuck off.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)So back the fuck off.
...you believe being concerned about a major storm is fear mongering and funny: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2332134
You're right, I don't know anything about you. I just think your responses here are callous.
eggplant
(3,911 posts)You somehow think that because I know what winter in the northeast can be like, and thus I prepare, that makes me somehow callous?
That subthread you pointed to was about the absurd graphics being used to hype the latest StormToEndAllStorms that the weather channel pushes to get ratings. And in my original post, I pointed people to a much more sensible website run by NOAA. And yet you ignore that and call me callous.
You seem to have a disproportionate amount of anger going here. Why are you directing it at me? Did I do something to you? Maybe you could take a deep breath, reconsider your original reply, and come down from DEFCON 5. I'll be happy to delete all my replies if you'll do the same.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Thank you so very much..will go and check it out! Arigatou!
Gore1FL
(21,128 posts)The Weather channels names storms outside the accepted global standard. That makes them unique. It doesn't make them liars or Fox News-like.
While doing so may "sensationalize" it. (there are other words on the spectrum between "highlight" and "sensationalize" that would fit better.) This isn't an inherently bad thing. It may bring more people to heed the the need to prepare for it. Likewise, it may "trivialize" (this needs a better word to) other named storms in the minds of some.
In any event, there is a storm coming and though it doesn't directly affect me, I am aware of it because you posted about it in this thread. Whether or not it has a name, I thank you for starting this thread about it.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)I live on the West Coast, we never get weather like this, but my Parents live in NY. I called them during Sandy, and this looked big, so I called them on this too. I have some ties back there to the New York area... So I thought since I didn't see a story on it,I would post it.. I never thought people would blow it off, and not take it seriously. OKAY...say tomorrow nothing happens.. but at least people can prepare for something like this..even if it blows out to sea and is never seen again. Say nothing..and people could die.
Gore1FL
(21,128 posts)I am smack dab in the middle of the country, myself. We get tornadoes. They aren't quite so predictable, and end up being "christened" with names like "that one that blew out the windows at the airport."
I have no problem with naming more predictable and tracked them if it raises the awareness. Named, or not, the storm is a threat to the country and is news. Nothing wrong with awareness!
annabanana
(52,791 posts)They are trying to scare us.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)from a post down thread.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)The winds will not be as bad as originally forecast.
Sunday will be above freezing where I am. Then the temp will go into the 40's for the next 3 days, so clean-up shouldn't take too long.
I am concerned, prepared and not scared.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)I filled my generator and stocked up another 10 gallons. We've been losing power for the smallest storms lately.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)The weather forecasting wasn't as accurate and the storm formed later than expected - so everyone ignored the warnings and went to work. Once the storm hit, everyone was sent home. Meaning they never made it home - people died from exposure, from CO poisoning sitting in their cars on a non-moving Route 95. I ended up with a dozen others sleeping on couches in the chemistry building lounge. Finally decided to walk home (12 miles) with a chemistry professor most of the way. Historic, nasty.
Hoping everyone stays safe.
thevoiceofreason
(3,440 posts)Blizzard Boehner is my suggestion for this one!
Hard Assets
(274 posts)She will be unhappy - she wants to visit the fam in Brooklyn.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Yeah, that arrow looks to be pointing right at the hospital where I work. Luckily I'm not scheduled to work there this weekend. Phew. I live all of about 10 miles from the tip of that arrow.
I know many of you don't believe in woo, but I am psychic. And I see a *lot* of shoveling in my future. I probably should have gone ahead and bought another bottle of medicinal vodka. The one in my cabinet is almost gone....
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Where ya at?
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)but inland on the north side of Boothbay Harbor. The arrow on the map at the website is pointing right at the south tip of the harbor.
The article says gusts up to 60mph. I'm high on a ridge so will get slammed by the wind too.
How about you?
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Couple blocks from the harbor. It should be special!
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)I drove a classmate out for a vacation after we graduated college. We hit the Salem rotary right at rush hour. My first rotary evah!
We drove around it 7 times at 50+mph in the middle of 3 lanes of bumper-to-bumper traffic, screaming the entire way trying to get into the outside lane at just the right moment to catch our exit! We were afraid if we missed the road we needed, we'd be lost in the byroads of Mass forever.
Wednesdays
(17,359 posts)Especially if you're not used to it.
(This isn't necessarily directed towards you... Rather to couch potatoes like me.)
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)not that it will go according to plan, because 35 mph sustained winds, with 60 foot gusts, combined with light, fluffy snow, which is what we'll get because it's flippin' freezing up here right now, tends to undo all the shoveling
First, on Saturday am I will have to kick one door or another repeatedly in order to get it to budge open enough to squeeze myself and a shovel through. I have doors facing S/SE and S/SW, but somehow the snow drifts against them no matter which way they face. That's the nature of nor'easters. Then I will trudge through waist high drifts to the barn to bring my horse and kitty hot water (if we have power. otherwise, cold) and food. Then I'll head to the garage and get out my handy-dandy snow scooper.
The first path will be from house to barn, then across the front of the barn, which faces WSW, so I can open the 12' sliding door more than the 18" I need to squeeze a bucket through.
Later in the day, I will shovel the same path, which will have drifted over. And again in the evening.
At some point in time, depending on the weather report either Saturday night or Sunday, the wind will reverse and I will again have to shovel my way to the barn, only shovel out the back door which faces ENE so I can get in that side and bring my babies water and food.
My barn is open under the eaves. With luck, there will be less snow inside the barn than outside.
At some point the wind will die down enough that the paths hold. Then I will shovel the path to the utilities. They won't be coming any time soon anyway, so there is no hurry for that. Just the same path to the barn, over and over and over...
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Siwsan
(26,260 posts)We are supposed to get around 8 inches by 10, tomorrow morning with snow falling until noon, but not a flake, yet. It's snowing all around us, but nothing quite hitting the gound, here, yet. So, if it happens it will be an impressive snow fall rate. My office has already postponed starting time until 10. Due to my high seniority and big bank of vacation days, I'm staying home, in front of the fireplace.
I feel fortunate that's ALL we are supposed to get. My thoughts will be with everyone on the east coast, that's for sure.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Drifts can get very high and block the vents resulting in carbon monoxide poisoning.
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)Both looking forward to it and thinking it will be annoying.
Jersey Devil
(9,874 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Everyone in the snow cone, stay safe and warm.
Sid
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Will Canada get part of that storm? I would imagine you have cold winds blowing down into the US.. I remember some of those winds coming into Buffalo NY carrying with it snow from across from Lake Ontario. Very cold stuffs, gives me shivers thinking about it. Stay warm up there!!
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)we've got a big Winter Storm Warning in effect, and are expecting 6-10 inches of snow. Buffalo will be worse, with the lake effect snow.
Kids will be home from school tomorrow, and we'll probably be operating on a skeleton staff at work. We told our guys there's nothing critical tomorrow, and to stay home if they thought driving would be unsafe.
Sid
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Stay home and have a hot Coco on me!!
underpants
(182,788 posts)I have had it explained here on DU that weather services only present the events for their given country. Still I say that it is indicative of the news bubble that we live in.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)That's on top of whatever is already on the ground. From my perspective -- I haven't gone out -- there's about four inches of new snow, a little less than the forecast.
I could deal with this, but not the added seven. Driving in a foot of snow is not an option.
Stay safe and warm easterners. I will stay inside until this blows over and the snow plows arrive to dig us all out. Maybe Saturday, maybe not, depending how hard we get hit here. I am way, way out in a very rural county. One learns to be patient here.
If power goes out, I could be in tough straits, though. No heat or water then.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Thought I'd put in a wood stove insert, but that's expensive and when you're on SocSec, there's no budget for it anyway. Installation would cost more than the damned stove. I'd have to rebuild the whole chimney.
I have tons of candles, oil lamps, and a propane stove to help. If the power goes off, I bundle up and get out a book and read by oil lamp.
Recently, my power CO-OP has been quick at getting power back on. So, I am not too worried. Seven inches is not unusual.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)But then there's getting the wood, and all of that...
longship
(40,416 posts)wandy
(3,539 posts)Fancy two sided thing, Glass doors to the living room, glass doors to the 'kitchen' area. Worthless. Like you said. Sucks more warm air up the chimney than it's puts out.
Back in Broom County NY. Ha! Just about a full living room worth of field stone wall.
You got that thing up and running and the fernas would forget it had any reason to be there..
Needles to say, do the best you can. Stay safe.
longship
(40,416 posts)amandabeech
(9,893 posts)She only once has lost power. I lived there too, for my first 18 years, and I don't remember losing power even in the worst winter. So maybe you'll be fine.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)NYC is supposed to get 6-12 inches with howling winds. Thats not as bad as some places but it does make for an ugly day.
Stay safe and warm everyone!
And Kimi, Domo Arigato gozaimas!
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)I talked to my dad. He bought an electrical generator in case the power goes out. He will not have his business going this weekend. (I don't think he works the weekend, unless its an emergency.) Friday is a normal business day but he's advising patients to stay home unless they need a tooth extraction, or some other kind of dental emergency.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)I'll be heading home around 6:00 PM. Will I be waking in a blizzard?
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)to the 68th & Lexington subway and then from the Fulton st subway to the WTC PATH. Hopefully it will be light snow at that point and not a howling blizzard.
We shall see...
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)I would be humming that xmas tune : Walking in a Winter Wonder Land.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)I'll try to be. I shall brave the blizzard!
aquart
(69,014 posts)Do not mess with weather.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)They'll probably let everyone go early if it looks like it's going to get bad.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Wednesdays
(17,359 posts)Please keep us updated.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)I am sure others will be watching this as well.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)From what I know of the 1993 storm, and the models I've seen regarding Nemo, it looks like the damage/snowfall will be more centralized now versus 1993.
madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)RebelOne
(30,947 posts)It was a rare occurrence. But we also got hit hard. Georgia gets snow maybe once a year, so no one was prepared for that one.
0rganism
(23,944 posts)The graphics are just fucking way over-the-top fear-mongering.
eggplant
(3,911 posts)AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)How would you display them?Maybe some nice calm oranges, reds, and yellows? Maybe a Mr. Snowflake with a smiley face? Seriously, what do you want?
eggplant
(3,911 posts)...the northeast is generally very prepared for this sort of thing, especially in the middle of February. It comes at a time when there isn't much of any existing precipitation on the ground, the soil isn't supersaturated with water (from meltoff -- would cause flooding), and it isn't coming without warning.
This is basically what winter is all about in the northeast. Snow. It falls, we plow, and we get on with our lives.
I can certainly appreciate that you are concerned about how your famliy and friends will fare, but as far as winter storms go, this one may be big, but it isn't OMGITSSOFREAKINGHUGEWEREALLGOINGTODIEOMGOMGOMG big.
Certainly it won't be as bad as the ice storm of December 2008. Not even close.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Would they say..."Potential Historic Blizzard Looms". Who benefits by saying this? Those were not my words. I didn't make it up and throw it on there.. IF the US Weather service says "This storm is potentially a historic Blizzard" am I to role over, say *yawn* ho hum, nothing to worry about.. Just a little snow, is all?
I wonder how many Sandy victums said... "phissshhh.. its just a bit of wind."
At what point do we start second guessing the US Weather service?
eggplant
(3,911 posts)A major winter storm is expected to impact the Northeast and New England Friday into Saturday. As much as one to two feet of snow is forecast from the New York City metro area to Maine, with localized heavier amounts possible. This, in addition to wind gusts as high as 60-75 mph will create significant impacts to transportation and power. Coastal flooding is also possible from Boston northward
12-24 inches of snow is far from unprecedented, and it isn't like we're already buried in it. My lawn is green at the moment. This much snow in a day and half will be plowed away within 12-24 hours of it tapering off. The wind will definitely cause some outages, and that can spell trouble for some. But I've found that around here, people come together and help each other out, and they get through it. Usually with some mulled cider. The coastal flooding also will suck, but is far from unprecedented. And it looks like the storm is staying relatively clear of Sandy's previous destruction, which is something, at least. The last thing those folks need is more weather hell.
Hurricanes are another matter entirely -- I had the joy of having FEMA come to my house after Irene and Lee trashed the hell out of my property and we gladly took their assistance in the form of grants and low interest loans. But our cleanup, though expensive, was nothing compared to others around here. Lots of people lost everything they owned. I take rain VERY seriously. But snow? In February? in New York?
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)I hope homeless people don't freeze to death. That seems like it happens every year. Snow and ice can do considerable damage. Power lines snap, if its really cold, water mains can rupture. A lot of snow on the roof of some houses, have been known to build up, and cave it in. I remember reading about that a few years ago. A lot of snow means having to snow plow highways, and road. Black Ice can cause car and truck accidents. Large amounts of snow with high winds means blizzard conditions. If you power goes off, you will need a way to keep warm. Having water pipes burst, meaning no water going to the house. I am sure there are a lot of things that can happen during a snowstorm that are potentially very dangerous.
eggplant
(3,911 posts)High winds can bring down trees and take out power lines. However, we have had a ton of high wind days up here this winter already, and many of the trees that would come down have already come down. The power companies have been very diligent around here about taking down "risky" trees in advance. If you want to watch the power situation in real time, you can look here:
http://www.nyseg.com/Outages/outageinformation.html
This storm looks like it is mostly snow, except maybe for the coasts that will get some flooding. So ice doesn't seem like it will be a problem, unlike the ice storm of December 2008 that decimated the northeast for weeks. That one really sucked for everyone.
Snow buildup can be a concern too, particularly when there is already lots of accumulation. But there isn't any snow on the ground at the moment, so that is a good thing. (But thanks for the reminder! I have to remember to turn on my heat tape tomorrow to prevent ice jams.)
Lots of snow does mean lots of plowing, but the municipalities in the northeast are very prepared for that sort of thing. What kills us up here is relentless storms that cause our cities to go through their stocks of road salt and sand early in the year and blow their budgets. But again, this year has been really mild (in terms of snow -- it's been wicked cold though), so that's not a concern.
Black ice is a really dangerous phenomenon, but can't happen this weekend. Black ice is when rain seeps into the cracks in the asphalt, and then the temperature drops and it freezes. Because it adheres to the texture of the road and doesn't just freeze in a smooth sheet you don't see a reflection and you have no idea it is there. Lots of snow doesn't cause this to happen. Even if temps get above 32 and then back down, you can't get black ice when there is snow on the pavement.
High winds + snow mean blizzard conditions, and that limits safe travel. But this storm has had lots of warning, people will prepare, and so most people won't be travelling in it. I do worry for the fire and rescue crews that will have to deal with 911 calls during all of this, but again, this isn't something they don't know how to deal with. It's just part of living up here in the tundra.
Power outages can be a big deal, particularly for people who get their heat from electricity. But heat isn't the real problem. Much of upstate is relatively rural, and no power means no well pump, and that means no water. You can live without heat (for a while), but you can't live without water. But people around here help one another, they check on their neighbors, and most people have alternate heat sources (woodstoves, or oil/gas heat). We lose power in the northeast winters (and summers! still need water in the summer!) all the time, so people know what to expect.
Burst pipes are something that happens in unheated houses that don't plan for it -- people around here know that if you lose heat and have to leave your house, that you leave a few taps open slightly and nothing bad will happen. People who leave their houses for extended periods of time turn off their water in advance. Underground pipes don't have these problems. I've never heard of a water main breaking because of cold -- it can't, since the water is continually moving.
I truly believe your heart is in the right place with your concerns. But you don't live here and you clearly aren't familiar with what winter really means around here. Yes, this is a major storm, but it doesn't rise to panic levels. Let me put it this way. There is at least a 75% chance that my kids will be going to school tomorrow, and at least a 50% chance that they won't even dismiss them early. And I would guess that my 8-year old will be ecstatic on saturday to get to go out and build a snow fort in the yard -- we haven't even had enough snow this year to make a half decent snowman so far. Heh, maybe I'll shovel out my gas grill and have a bbq after all the snow has fallen.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)And we have no idea if it will be as bad as the ice storm. We will know Saturday though.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Motto from quake territory. Applicable everywhere.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)Back when I was a girl up in Massachusetts, we had 3 (count 'em THREE) 3 foot snowstorms in April.
I wish everyone would just stop hyperventilating.
NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)Better people go "over the top" and be afraid than under-react and get fucked.
Worst case if you overreact? You have some extra food and supplies.
Worst case if you under-react? Possibly you die.
0rganism
(23,944 posts)It's very simple really. Overlay the relevant expected effects (temperatures, heavy snowfall, windspeed, storm surge) on the map at their respective maxima. That not only provides warning to people in an area, it gives a suggestion of what, specifically, they should be preparing for.
A graphic like the one in the OP gives next to no information, and only serves to inspire fear. Worse, people who've been so inundated with sensational hype for weather events that they automatically take a cynical view of such notifications may choose to ignore warnings for (quite real) danger, under-reacting as you say.
NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)The temperatures, windspeed, etc. ARE being provided on local TV here. Graphics like the one in the OP are show occasionally but even then the meteorologist is explaining it as it's being shown.
0rganism
(23,944 posts)I happen to think there's something very wrong with that graphic.
Anyway, stay safe & keep warm & good luck to you and yours.
NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)and haven't gone over the top in dramatizing it. Maybe the Weather Channel is a bit different. But hopefully people here are sticking with the local stuff.
I'm not going crazy stocking up for the apocalypse...just hunkering down and waiting!
Dash87
(3,220 posts)Not saying that this will be as bad as '78, but people shouldn't be idiots and make long commutes tomorrow. I know people will anyways, though, just like people always drive into flood waters despite being told not to over and over again.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)What precisely and objectively is "over-the-top fear mongering" about the graphic?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Although Northeastern residents know their history and climate, this has been so much coming too fast and for too long. To deal with destroyed homes in other climates is bad enough, but they've been suffering below-zero temperatures, snow, ice, wind, flooding, power outages and economic chaos as they try to rebuild and stay healthy.
All with very late help coming from the GOP Congress who had intended to give them nothing!
I really feel badly for them trying to make due when it's that cold. For many, I'm sure this is going to push some over the edge financially or healthwise. To be there without power? In the cold?
I've been through hurricanes and lived through the heat, but they are usually over and then the clean up begins. But I was not facing lethally cold temperatures as the Northeast has had this winter and now another storm moves in...
Best wishes to all our DUers in this region and all others who are still trying to work, dig out from Sandy, and keep their loved ones warm, safe and healthy.
Well said.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)35 years ago last Wednesday. We got something like 26 inches in Queens. I walked home a mile and a half in the middle of it because buses couldn't run. When I got home, I couldn't get in my front door because the drift was almost up to the top. Neighbor came out and shoveled the way for me to get inside.
I was in NY for Sandy. My daughters still live on LI.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)will have a rough time of it.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)rain pelts my windows, I see the snow coming down. I am so grateful to be inside and warm, and doesn't leak. We have gales in the northwest, but where I live, the light company comes for us first, as we are many in a small area.
Most of our power is under the ground, so it's not like people in houses with so many spots for the power to go out. The main lines may go out, but the crews are out there in it putting it up again. Where I lived through hurricanes, at one time the power went the night the hurricane hit, in a city of millions.
I couldn't sleep from the noise of the 'power pots' on the poles in the back yard. One by one, they arc'd and buzzed until every single one was broken and it took weeks to get the power back on. This is what happened in Sandy.
Fortunately my house didn't flood but flood waters had come up and traveled under and behind the house before. Anything near the beach had been evacuated long in advance, but I was living in a state where we expected that to happen.
Not that Northeasterners are uninformed or ill-prepared, but with so many people there, it must be almost impossible to find dry land closeby by driving. And the cold. That's what gets to me.
Good luck all, especially those who have not been able to repair yet. You guys are not getting a break on any of this.
sheshe2
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These are pictures of the coastal damage sustained.
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They are predicting devastating tides due to the winds and coupled with a full moon. The coast will be hard hit.
Thanks freshwest, well said on the post above.
We will all be okay out here in the Northeast. My sister asked me to come stay with them, she has a fireplace and a small generator, food and wine. Better than staying here in the dark and cold. Last Hurricane my power was out for nine hours....this time it will be freezing. Best to everyone stay safe.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Keep the fire going. Hope you guys will make some warm soup to stay warm.
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)Thanks for the Fire, freshwest... I feeling warm already!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)THE BIGGEST STORM EVER down there.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)I was unemployed and in clinical depression. I had no idea a storm was coming and was planning on food shopping the day the storm hit.
I literally lived on a daily bowl of cream of wheat made with powdered milk for a week. After the first few days, I walked through waist high drifts to the nearest food store. They had lost power and had an indoor flood, which froze their doors shut. Everything was still closed anyway, so I walked home.
It took 5 days of shoveling before I found my car, and another 2 days to dig it out. I ran out of cream of wheat and walked to the food store again. This time they were open, thank goodness. Also grateful my apartment didn't lose power.
I'm always prepared now. Today I picked up extra chocolate and grape juice, just for fun. I have 2 freezers full of food, plus canned and dried food, and backup propane heat plus a propane stove and backup steno, so with or without power, my critters and I will be fine as long as any outtage doesn't last too long. Tomorrow morning I'll fill several tall buckets with water for my horse, cat and dogs.
We have homeless people here in Maine. I read about one young woman trying to live in her car with an electric blanket plugged into the cigarette lighter. I can't imagine what they're going to do in this, or how they can prepare.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Do be careful down there, and I hope it's not as bad as they're predicting.
canoeist52
(2,282 posts)AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Seriously hope my parents will be okay. I will be calling though out the day to check on them.
Now I am in the 24>!!!! Damn! I am not as young as I was for the 78 Blizzard. No way I can shovel all that!
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)From MA here. I live in the16-24" belt. Don't worry about Boston. We are as ready as we can be.
I live in the burbs and my town is making Robo calls, telling everyone to be off the roads by 2pm. Also gave a list of emergency #'s and shelters. Funny though, work hasn't called to cancel me yet. What are they thinking! Will be going to stay with my sister and bro. in law. My mom will be there too. She has a fireplace, food and a small generator.
This storm and it's aftermath are going to be ugly!
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Stay safe, stay warm and have a giant cup of cocoa for me!!
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)PS...I just got word. We are closed tomorrow, and they will let us know friday pm if we will open on sat. Good news!
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)What I like to do on rainy days is go watch some anime... here's a list of places you can watch for free!
http://dubbedanime.net/
http://www.gogoanime.com/
http://www.animeratio.com/
http://www.dubbedepisodes.net/anime-series-list/
http://www.goodanime.net/
http://www.animecrunch.com/
valerief
(53,235 posts)Went to the supermarket for a few things. Funny, but everyone was smiling, like they were excited, in a "we're all in this together" vibe. My first thought was, I wish they felt like that about our Congress is doing to us. We don't need weather for disasters. Congress dumps them on us on a daily basis.
Oh, well, I'm just hoping there's no power outage.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Have a hot cocoa on me!
valerief
(53,235 posts)AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)people on diets? Ooh..I guess they do!
http://tinyurl.com/b7qdw4e
GoCubsGo
(32,080 posts)The southern storm that is supposed to merge with the one up North is passing through, and it has dumped a couple of inches on us today. Better rain than snow, which could have been a couple of feet worth. We sure do need the moisture, though. But, boy has it been miserable today!
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)We haven't seen that in a while. Stay safe and warm!!
One hot cocoa for you too!
GoCubsGo
(32,080 posts)We haven't been seeing much rain here in South Carolina, either. This will put a dent in our rainfall deficit. No problem staying warm when one has a lap cat, which I do. Back up into the 60s tomorrow.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Its like he doesn't know how to sit in a lap, and he has a habit of putting his claws into my leg, trying to hold on. I tried using a blanket, but he doesn't like that either. He would rather just rub my leg.. so at least something will stay warm..even if its just my ankle.
heh
GoCubsGo
(32,080 posts)Nice in the cooler days, but not so nice in the summer. I always keep fleece blankets around, because every cat I have ever met loves them.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)I will be watching this all weekend.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)And it had been snowing. Shocking to see snow on the Air Plane's wings. I was like, and we flew with that on there? Wow...
kowai.. (scary!)
Yeah, kinda like this...
freshwest
(53,661 posts)The plane seemed at first as if it was going to land in the water from the approach. I'm not sure if that's the case now. That was in the early eighties.
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)The best part is late at night, it's quiet and everyone is asleep, and you go out and stand and listen to the snow falling You can hear it faintly, like a sheet dropping on a bed when you fluff it after washing. Its unmistakable.
Since I was very little nothing makes me smile more than fresh virgin snow with no kitteh prints, tire tracks, just a coating of snow on everything.
And then the kitteh prints begin. And you dig a big area out and put a bowl of kitteh food out and the ferals and neighbor kittehs come, making snow tunnels or tracks, just as happy to see you as you them.
This will be one of those storms. And I shall enjoy it.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)While staying with my Korean Grandmother in her Upstate NY Home, and when I lived two years in Salt Lake City Utah. One thing I most remember about that, is I remember going to a friends house. I had worn only a light sweater, because it was a bit cold. We had been in side playing board games... and I was only there for approximately 2 hours. ON walking over to their house, a mere few blocks away, the ground was absolutely dry.. and not a bit of any moisture.
Two hours later, I emerged from the house to walk into 2 feet of snow.. and it was still coming down in great big huge flakes. Clumps of snow coming down. I am not sure if it was the famous Utah powder snow, but it stuck to everything, it was huge and flaky! I more or less tried to jog home, because I only had a light sweater on! When I got home i turned the thermostat up because my little apartment flat was cold!
It snowed all night and into the next day. I don't know how many feet of snow fell, but it was a lot. I also got a call from a friend of mine asking if I wanted to go skiing up to Snowbird, Alta or maybe Brighton. We ended up at Brighton that next day under sunny skies and watched them fire a cannon into the side of a mountain, trying to make an avalanche happen.
The hot cocoa on that day was outstanding! I rented some cheap SEARS skis and poles and we had a blast going up and down the slopes.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)pokerfan
(27,677 posts)Power outages can be seriously obnoxious. No Internet, no TV, no lights. On top of that, they can be dangerous, especially in the cold. A prolonged outage is always a danger during a serious storm, no matter the kind. And while it might not happen, you always want to be prepared.
http://gizmodo.com/5982640/how-to-survive-when-the-power-goes-out
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Here is a short video and good website with pdfs and ppts to download:
Are YOU Ready for Winter Weather?
Take Winter By Storm and get ready before the rivers rise, the winds blow and the snow flies!
Take these three steps to get ready:
* Create an emergency preparedness kit with at least a three-day supply of non-perishable food and water for your home and office. Kits prepared for vehicle road travel and winter weather evacuation go-kits are also advised.
* Make a plan and practice the plan with your family and those who depend on you.
* Stay informed and know the weather approaching so you are prepared for whatever Mother Nature throws our way.
Use the tools on the pages here to help you get prepared. Share them with those you love (family, friends, neighbors, and community members) to help them get prepared, too.
Get prepared now so you can Take Winter By Storm!
http://takewinterbystorm.org/
WillyT
(72,631 posts)& Rec !!!
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Yuki ga ochite iru! Yuki is "snow" in Japanese! Falling is "ochite iru" The snow is falling!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Wednesdays
(17,359 posts)Judging by her expression, they were quite surprised.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Yup!
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)The US National Weather Service is saying the same thing.
http://www.weather.gov/
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Just passin on the word thank you!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Navy Personnel walking about. All of them wearing heavy coats, so I imagine it would be cold. Its 9:43 pm pst here, so 12:43am ? I wonder when the storm will sneak in. I suppose I could check the local radar.
I am shivering a bit here, just looking at there! I need some hot tea!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)And some thought I was being SENSATIONAL!!!... no..I just copied and pasted the headline. (Or...a paid member of the
The Weather Channel Underground!)
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Glad to see elsewhere that your folks are staying home and hope no one has to have a tooth pulled. To add the pain of the cold to a bad tooth is awful.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Big snow flakes.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)They are big enough that if they swarm on you, will knock you off the side walk!
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)It's not gentle snow flakes at the moment. Vicious driving hail and snow. So brutal I had to stop and have a drink before I continue my journey home. I might have to have another because it's likely to get more bruble. Lucky me cause Mr train right across the street. Hi Mr train. Woo!
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)I would love to see this!
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)The cops drive around for and hour or two with loud speakers informing people to get the cars off the roads and into designated parking areas.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Brand new car of the neighbors down the street.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Some one else agrees!
maryellen99
(3,788 posts)They are comparing Gov Patrick to Hitler and how Massachusetts is a tolitarian state due to the State of Emergency and Driving Ban.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)People in Boston are probably shaking their heads.. asking, why would anyone join the Tea party? And...that would be a great question!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)And none of them from the last vitriol spew had even done the 3-days 3-ways preparation as advised. I remember reading their whines about not having food after only a day of snow terrorism. We have gales, snow and earthquakes over here, but no! They expect always sunny skies and dry roads like AZ!
They're the first to deforest any patch of land they buy for the timber money and to make sure the treehuggers don't get designs on their god-given property! They are still seething and grieving since the election with their window posters from the Libertarian Republican website. The one with Obama painted like a witch doctor and the mind-numbing word underneath 'socialism.'
maryellen99
(3,788 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)... in Burlington. Leave to those NewEnglanders!!
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)The San Jose Sharks are so far away.. Its hard to get down there, cause you have to grab the Train in Oakland, and then spend the night there in a hotel.. before heading back the next day. Its the only way to do it. Make an entire day, night and morning of it.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)... the Bulls ... a guy who played his juniors here in Indy & signed with the Sharks played there briefly at the start of the season, when the Worcester Sharks' roster was full of San Jose Sharks who were locked out. Trickle down, ya know?
http://sfbulls.com/
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Thanks! I don't think it would be too hard to go to the Cow Palace..I have book marked the website, thanks so very much!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)In the photo shown above, I am south of the 'b' in Albany, west of the"H" in Hartford.
We made it through Nemo with only one problem :The snowblower won't work. [img][/img]