You know if you own land

[RB TexLa]

and pay the property taxes, and pay taxes on income you make, no one cares if you live "off the grid."

Honestly, as long as no one is there against their will and children are meeting mandated education requirements. Let's forget children. Just say a group of 10 or 20 adults. Living in a compound.

Pay the two forms of taxes, and guess what, you would be left alone. Build whatever structure you want to live in, grow your food. No phones, no internet, fine. If you did this, guess what, you actually could have all kind of illegal weapons. Big enough plot of land, you can fire them off at stuff and have a good time.

It's only when you are dead set on challenging the government that you turn the government into what you say you fear. If one really wanted to be left alone, they could be. But that's not what these people want.

[JayhawkSD]

1. Who are "these people?"

[Still Sensible]

2. Classic demogogues... you don't really think

they want to be off the grid and give up their conveniences... although a small number probably do. I think most of these types really want to fire up people with their dogma, create a common enemy, leaders on a power trip playing on simpletons' fears and followers clinging to their perceived common protectors. Right wing playbook for a long time.

[RB TexLa]

3. On or off the grid. Point is they can do what they claim to want to do

But like you said, it's not really what they want.

[dtom67]

4. I love sweeping generalizations...

A fully acceptible practice; as long as the topic is "them" and not "us".

[RB TexLa]

5. It applies to people of any political persuasion. If you want to be left alone

you can be. I don't see that many liberal groups wanting to do the fortified compound, big government leave us alone thing. Or at least see them doing it and feeling they have to tell the world they are doing it.

[Cleita]

6. Maybe where you live.

Where I live everything needs permit. Even parking a trailer on the land. You will have to show them you have a proper well and septic tank. You are only allowed to burn when it's wet (fire danger). I'm watching what my new neighbors are going through who bought a tract of undeveloped land over the fence from me. It used to be a horse pasture. All they have been able to do so far without permits is mow down the brush since they bought it a year ago.