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niyad

(113,270 posts)
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:02 PM Feb 2013

why are women angry? because we STILL have to protest this s***




Why Are Women Angry? Because 'They Still Have to Protest This Shit'
Answering the clichèd question, 'Why are Feminists so angry?'
by Jessica Valenti
. . . .


I had posted a picture of this sign and a few others (and maybe they had a few more curses on them)—and I got an e-mail from a young man who asked me a question that I get asked a lot: Why are you so angry? I imagine a lot of us in the room have been asked some
iteration of this question. It’s a common one when you’re a feminist. Calm down, why are you so worked up? You seem so pissed off. And it’s a stereotype, really, of feminists—that we’re all angry.

So I was thinking of how I could respond this young man…and this is what I came up with, and I wanted to share it with you. It's not that I'm angry, I'm exhausted. The war on
reproductive health and autonomy feels absolutely never-ending. In 2011, there was a record number of anti-choice laws enacted across the states and in 2012, we saw more than forty new state laws restricting women’s access to abortion.

The restrictions ranged from TRAP laws and ultrasound mandates to waiting periods and mandatory counseling—all of which end up hurting the most marginalized women in the US by making legal medical care more costly and harder to get. So while I’m thrilled that we’re celebrating Roe’s fortieth anniversary—if women can’t access abortion, then it’s not really legal for all of us.

If the Hyde Amendment still exists, then Roe doesn’t mean anything for the woman who can’t afford care. And if one woman in Texas can’t get the care she needs, then Roe isn’t fulfilling its promise. I'm exhausted thinking about the fact that I'm still fighting a battle that my
mother marched for. That so many years later, we’re working so hard to hold onto the rights we already have, that creating a proactive—rather than defensive—agenda seems like a pie-in-the-sky dream.

. . . .

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why are women angry? because we STILL have to protest this s*** (Original Post) niyad Feb 2013 OP
This, plus less pay for equal work, slut shaming... 2theleft Feb 2013 #1
"if you aren't angry, you aren't paying attention" niyad Feb 2013 #3
Didn't we have a video a while back of a teenage boy lecturing us on the word feminism? freshwest Feb 2013 #37
I would ask you to say you are joking, but, sadly, I think you are not. did DU rip this twit apart? niyad Feb 2013 #43
A little, I was too pissed to look at much. freshwest Feb 2013 #45
Dilbert Gets It (Thanks, Scott Adams) Demeter Feb 2013 #71
great one--thank you for posting it (perhaps you could post it as a separate thread so I can rec it niyad Feb 2013 #72
K&R SunSeeker Feb 2013 #2
K&R me b zola Feb 2013 #4
As a woman, I feel it. I say the same thing as a union member, too. Brickbat Feb 2013 #5
and, it seems, the anti-union thugs of the early 20th century have nothing on the current bunch niyad Feb 2013 #31
I disagree a little bit as far as legislation vs. guns -- some seem to think that as long as it Brickbat Feb 2013 #44
we cannot trust those cretins for one minute--guns or legislation, they do not have our niyad Feb 2013 #48
I was horrified to learn about the Ludlow Massacre recently, I think via a DU post classof56 Feb 2013 #75
I know what you mean about the backwardness and regression. even ten years later, it was not niyad Feb 2013 #78
Same here & as a... SkyDaddy7 Feb 2013 #67
it isn't just a way to deflect the conversation--it is an attempt to make us appear as if we are niyad Feb 2013 #80
It will never end AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #6
"Stupid on Steroids." WOW does that nail it, Aging American! calimary Feb 2013 #25
k&r Starry Messenger Feb 2013 #7
K&R! sheshe2 Feb 2013 #8
AMEN SISTER iandhr Feb 2013 #9
A man once offered this response to that question: spooky3 Feb 2013 #10
+1 freshwest Feb 2013 #54
K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #11
K&R forestpath Feb 2013 #12
I tell people, Ilsa Feb 2013 #13
This: CrispyQ Feb 2013 #14
If we can get religion.... ReRe Feb 2013 #15
your last point is something we have been working on for decades--some very ingenious plans niyad Feb 2013 #33
Married women.... ReRe Feb 2013 #35
too bad your experiences have been so negative sigmasix Feb 2013 #47
"too bad your experiences have been so negative" but you don't know what you are talking about. niyad Feb 2013 #52
a little reading on women and marriage niyad Feb 2013 #55
Dear Mr One-in-a-million, ReRe Feb 2013 #60
ouch. blackspade Feb 2013 #79
I guess I should have been more explicit... ReRe Feb 2013 #90
You are joking, right? Demeter Feb 2013 #70
Wow! Le Taz Hot Feb 2013 #65
Huh? ReRe Feb 2013 #91
you don't speak for me liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #81
I never insinuated that... ReRe Feb 2013 #92
Unfortunately, it IS the poor who suffer HockeyMom Feb 2013 #16
K&R ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #17
Suffragettes are spinning in their graves Smilo Feb 2013 #18
There is some incredibly powerful words in that speech. Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #19
K&R Squinch Feb 2013 #20
It is very important never to give up this struggle, as or opponents would push women... Nika Feb 2013 #21
It shouldn't BE a "struggle" at this point.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #53
unfortunately, it IS a struggle--and please note that someof these idiots actually have run niyad Feb 2013 #56
There are WOMEN that vote Republican because of wedge issues.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #66
I'm a man - with a wife I adore, a mom I love, and two sisters I cherish; and I'm .... 11 Bravo Feb 2013 #22
A woman voting Republican is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders Freddie Feb 2013 #28
Every time I read similar threads, ... CRH Feb 2013 #69
if you had read the OP, you might have had some answers. some of the explanations were right niyad Feb 2013 #82
K&R Solly Mack Feb 2013 #23
What "they" call traditional values is nothing more than their pathological fear of change. gtar100 Feb 2013 #24
K&R Z_I_Peevey Feb 2013 #26
I'm with you, and her Lifelong Protester Feb 2013 #27
"failure is impossible" niyad Feb 2013 #29
Yep, duh, I need to up my caffeine intake today! Lifelong Protester Feb 2013 #40
same here niyad Feb 2013 #41
I edited it, to make sure I show no disrespect Lifelong Protester Feb 2013 #42
I think our foremothers would understand. niyad Feb 2013 #57
why am I so angry? for one thing, because there are still people around who are so clueless, niyad Feb 2013 #30
That is the correct answer. Hissyspit Feb 2013 #63
I wish more young women were angry. ohheckyeah Feb 2013 #32
I have been tired for decades, but will not give up--sometimes I think they are hoping for us niyad Feb 2013 #34
If they think we will quit they seriously underestimate ohheckyeah Feb 2013 #36
you have that correct niyad Feb 2013 #39
believe me a lot of young women took notice last year when politicians were trying to take their liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #59
That's good to hear. ohheckyeah Feb 2013 #61
Me too -- HS debate Freddie Feb 2013 #84
Mine was in 1971 and I was a junior. ohheckyeah Feb 2013 #89
Women, men, feminists have a right to be angry, and I'm one if the angry... Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #85
"for all women in struggle" kristin lems niyad Feb 2013 #38
I'm tired too, and beaten down. Useless in FL Feb 2013 #46
many of us are tired, and discouraged, and even bewildered. as you asked, where is all this niyad Feb 2013 #51
I did not raise my children to be mere grease on the gears.... alphafemale Feb 2013 #49
Because my constitutional rights are second class curlyred Feb 2013 #50
Because we have a good portion of the population that vote in the assholes that RKP5637 Feb 2013 #58
Yes. And some of them are women themselves--voting against own self interest Left Coast2020 Feb 2013 #62
I'm 57 years old Le Taz Hot Feb 2013 #64
Doncha know? Angry women are unattractive. malthaussen Feb 2013 #68
people ask me why I carry such a large purse--I smile sweetly and say, 'because it's legal, niyad Feb 2013 #73
LOL! Leverage -- the first weapons using projected power! Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #86
By the way, that works REALLY good. Le Taz Hot Feb 2013 #94
fortunately, I have never needed to use it that way. I have been told that I walk with a serious niyad Feb 2013 #95
If you are on twitter.. PasadenaTrudy Feb 2013 #74
thank you for letting us know about this, I know many will check it out. niyad Feb 2013 #76
I'm angry because... PasadenaTrudy Feb 2013 #77
do you have a link to that article? I got a lot of flack over the years for choosing to be niyad Feb 2013 #83
I will try to find it! n/t PasadenaTrudy Feb 2013 #87
Here... PasadenaTrudy Feb 2013 #88
apparently some of the worst comments were removed niyad Feb 2013 #93
K&R, I still can't can't believe we have to have to protest this this shit. smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #96
kick for monday crowd niyad Feb 2013 #97
. . . niyad Feb 2013 #98
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. . . . niyad Feb 2013 #100

2theleft

(1,136 posts)
1. This, plus less pay for equal work, slut shaming...
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:42 PM
Feb 2013

I don't get the women who are NOT angry. Doesn't mean I'm angry every minute of every day, or even every day, but I am DAMN angry.

niyad

(113,270 posts)
43. I would ask you to say you are joking, but, sadly, I think you are not. did DU rip this twit apart?
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:30 PM
Feb 2013

niyad

(113,270 posts)
72. great one--thank you for posting it (perhaps you could post it as a separate thread so I can rec it
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:17 PM
Feb 2013

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
5. As a woman, I feel it. I say the same thing as a union member, too.
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:56 PM
Feb 2013

We're still fighting these battles? REALLY? Even after we've won them over and over again?

niyad

(113,270 posts)
31. and, it seems, the anti-union thugs of the early 20th century have nothing on the current bunch
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:45 PM
Feb 2013

who wield legislation instead (or in addition to) of guns.

(I make a yearly pilgrimage to the site of the ludlow massacre, just a few miles down the road from me)

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
44. I disagree a little bit as far as legislation vs. guns -- some seem to think that as long as it
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:32 PM
Feb 2013

isn't guns, we can sit back and count our blessings and keep our powder dry.

Respect to you for the pilgrimage. Leave a flower from me next time.

niyad

(113,270 posts)
48. we cannot trust those cretins for one minute--guns or legislation, they do not have our
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:42 PM
Feb 2013

interests in mind, EVER.

will be happy to do so.

classof56

(5,376 posts)
75. I was horrified to learn about the Ludlow Massacre recently, I think via a DU post
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:28 PM
Feb 2013

Thing is--I grew up in Colorado, attended public school, studied the state's history in junior high and high school, visited the Capitol during field trips, etc., etc. And never once were we taught about the Ludlow Massacre.

This was in the 1950s, and as I think back, I am appalled at what a backward and regressive culture we lived in. Seriously...if "girls" hadn't snagged a husband by high school graduation, we were old maids who could be teachers or nurses or somebody's secretary as we continued our desperate search for a male to rescue us from our terrible fate. And no matter the job, we were never paid as much as men, 'cause after all, there was always some guy to take us out to dinner. Or we could share an apartment with five other "old maids". Or we could live at home with our parents. Seriously--that's what my male counterparts told me. The path to any form of equality was long and hard-fought. I'm sure it wasn't just Colorado, but that's where I was and what I had to deal with. I tend to rant because I spent so many years being angry as hell and felt helpless to change things. But change did come--and now they want us to fight those battles again? Okay, now I'm back to being angry.

But as to the Ludlow Massacre, I'm thinking it was among a lot of Colorado's history that was left out of our textbooks. When I read about it, I cried. As another poster asked, I would like you to place a flower at the site the next time you visit. Bless you for doing so.

And for caring.

niyad

(113,270 posts)
78. I know what you mean about the backwardness and regression. even ten years later, it was not
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:48 PM
Feb 2013

all that different--same messages, only I was not listening to them I came out of the womb an activist, I think. Have never wavered from that, no matter how exhausted (and after all these decades, yes, we are exhausted, but still determined, and outraged).

We did not learn about ludlow, or sand creek, just to name two. we did not learn just what a staunch women's rights advocate molly brown was. there was a lot left out. I was, and am, a voracious reader, who never hesitated to challenge the teachers.

When I go, will place flowers in both your names.

SkyDaddy7

(6,045 posts)
67. Same here & as a...
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:32 AM
Feb 2013

Atheist I get asked the same thing over & over, "Why are you angry?"...It is a way to deflect the conversation I think?

Folks do not realize what it is like to be an Atheist in America & to watch so many people not give two squirts of piss what the US Constitution says about religion & government.

The goes for me as a Union Member watching so many working people fighting to crush Unions just because they have been told by folks on talk radio & FOX "News" that Unions are bad...And Unions have self inflicted wounds as well with all the mafia connections in the past that does not help...But still.

And I can only imagine what it must feel like to be a woman in America where many men still think they should be treated like children & told what they can & cannot do with their own bodies...Not to mention all the other crap they must deal with on a daily basis.

We have a lot of work to do to make America a more perfect union!!!

niyad

(113,270 posts)
80. it isn't just a way to deflect the conversation--it is an attempt to make us appear as if we are
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:53 PM
Feb 2013

nuts, and totally without merit.

I remember hearing poppy's remarks about atheists, and the fact that pagans were going to be excluded from the faith-based initiatives bs. these people would actually have to have read the constitution--with comprehension--something I am pretty sure most of them have not.

what it feels like to be a woman in a country that treats us like children? annoying, frustrating, irritating, horrifying, disgusting, dismaying, and sickening. One would think we were back in the 17th century or something. "you've come a long way, baby" yes, backwards.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
6. It will never end
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:18 PM
Feb 2013

This country suffers from fake puritan syndrome. It will never go away. Stupid on steroids is the cause celeb in RW circles. This is do to the fact they have enlarged and hyperactive amygdala, the emotion/fear center of the brain.

Ain't no cure for stupid.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
25. "Stupid on Steroids." WOW does that nail it, Aging American!
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:58 PM
Feb 2013

I've heard it a LOT, though, in the circles I run in - WHY ON EARTH are we STILL fighting this????? If I had a dime for every "I thought this was SETTLED! Years ago!" comment I've heard about this issue, I'd have enough to bankroll a national pro-choice commercial campaign.

spooky3

(34,439 posts)
10. A man once offered this response to that question:
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:51 PM
Feb 2013

"What do most men do when they believe that they have been victimized by 'reverse' discrimination? They are livid. So why would you expect any different reaction from women? And 'regular' discrimination happens a lot more often."

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
13. I tell people,
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:14 PM
Feb 2013

"If they have the right to tell you must carry to term, then they also have the right to tell you when you can't. Wouldn't you rather let the person who owns the uterus be in charge of safe healthcare for her body?"

And yes, I'm still royally pissed that there are people who believe that forcing the elimination of all access to abortion is the "right" thing to do for me and my sisters. Screw them.

CrispyQ

(36,457 posts)
14. This:
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:15 PM
Feb 2013
So while I’m thrilled that we’re celebrating Roe’s fortieth anniversary—if women can’t access abortion, then it’s not really legal for all of us.

If the Hyde Amendment still exists, then Roe doesn’t mean anything for the woman who can’t afford care. And if one woman in Texas can’t get the care she needs, then Roe isn’t fulfilling its promise.


No abortions, no birth control. This is about control, not morals. They are some of the most immoral people on the planet.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
15. If we can get religion....
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:22 PM
Feb 2013
K&R

.... back in church where it belongs, and out of government once and for all, we'll come a long way, baby. Separate church and state. And see how much better we are. Everyone of these laws that they have passed and are passing all over the country need to be stricken down, once and for all. Because women have the right to choose, constitutionally. Period.

And equal pay all the way, damit! Let me tell you what happens out here in the good old midwest, and has since the beginning of this country... men impregnate women and then have the gaul to deny the child! And don't want to take responsibility for their actions! That or they threaten no support if the woman says no more babies, since she already has so many and the SOB won't make a decent living, and she tries to leave his butt. (Am I making sense? I'm pissed and typing too fast. ) If a woman has it up to here with the situation she didn't bargain for, she needs to be able to make a living for her children. All the responsibility for raising the children fall on the mother's shoulders. So she absolutely HAS to have equal pay.

Hey, and here's another bitch I have that nobody talks about.... If a woman spends all the good years of her life being a devoted knock-out wife and mother,
she should be getting social security credit for all that work during all those years.

niyad

(113,270 posts)
33. your last point is something we have been working on for decades--some very ingenious plans
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:46 PM
Feb 2013

have been brought forth--alas, I doubt we will see them in my lifetime.

sigmasix

(794 posts)
47. too bad your experiences have been so negative
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:41 PM
Feb 2013

but married women are not slaves. And MOST men are not manipulative child neglectors or abusive misogynists. Sweeping sexist generalizations are offensive, even when the sexism is coming from someone that claims to be supportive of the destruction of sexism. I remain hopeful that you will be able to aknowledge the fact that your anecdotes do not prove anything about all men.
My wife and daughters sure don't seem to be abused or enslaved. Perhaps you should look a little closer at yourself and the reasons you are attracted to toxic individuals that would treat anyone as a slave or refuse thier obligations to thier children. These are the actions of ALL people, nut just men.

niyad

(113,270 posts)
52. "too bad your experiences have been so negative" but you don't know what you are talking about.
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:33 AM
Feb 2013

is that what you meant to say? I have to tell you, that post is a prime example of why women are angry. this poster was talking about things s/he has experienced or seen, and you deny the reality of it. and then go on to make assumptions about this poster's relationships and instruct the poster in making choices based on your assumptions.

you might want to look at the legal construct of marriage--and remember the old common law statement "husbands and wives are one under the law, and that one is the husband" or, do you have any idea where the phrase "rule of thumb" comes from? a man could beat his wife with a stick or rod, provided it was no wider than his thumb. or "who gives this woman to this man?" do you know where that comes from? marriage in patriarchy is NOT an equal relationship under the law, no matter how individual couples manage to act.

niyad

(113,270 posts)
55. a little reading on women and marriage
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:39 AM
Feb 2013

Blackstone Commentaries
Women and the Law


Source: William Blackstone. Commentaries on the Laws of England. Vol, 1 (1765), pages 442-445.

By marriage, the husband and wife are one person in law: that is, the very being or legal existence of the woman is suspended during the marriage, or at least is incorporated and consolidated into that of the husband; under whose wing, protection, and cover, she performs every thing; and is therefore called in our law-French a feme-covert, foemina viro co-operta; is said to be covert-baron, or under the protection and influence of her husband, her baron, or lord; and her condition during her marriage is called her coverture. Upon this principle, of a union of person in husband and wife, depend almost all the legal rights, duties, and disabilities, that either of them acquire by the marriage. I speak not at present of the rights of property, but of such as are merely personal. For this reason, a man cannot grant anything to his wife, or enter into covenant with her: for the grant would be to suppose her separate existence; and to covenant with her, would be only to covenant with himself: and therefore it is also generally true, that all compacts made between husband and wife, when single, are voided by the intermarriage. A woman indeed may be attorney for her husband; for that implies no separation from, but is rather a representation of, her lord. And a husband may also bequeath any thing to his wife by will; for that cannot take effect till the coverture is determined by his death. The husband is bound to provide his wife with necessaries by law, as much as himself; and, if she contracts debts for them, he is obliged to pay them; but for anything besides necessaries he is not chargeable. Also if a wife elopes, and lives with another man, the husband is not chargeable even for necessaries; at least if the person who furnishes them is sufficiently apprized of her elopement. If the wife be indebted before marriage, the husband is bound afterwards to pay the debt; for he has adopted her and her circumstances together. If the wife be injured in her person or her property, she can bring no action for redress without her husband's concurrence, and in his name, as well as her own: neither can she be sued without making the husband a defendant. There is indeed one case where the wife shall sue and be sued as a feme sole, viz. where the husband has abjured the realm, or is banished, for then he is dead in law; and the husband being thus disabled to sue for or defend the wife, it would be most unreasonable if she had no remedy, or could make no defence at all. In criminal prosecutions, it is true, the wife may be indicted and punished separately; for the union is only a civil union. But in trials of any sort they are not allowed to be evidence for, or against, each other: partly because it is impossible their testimony should be indifferent, but principally because of the union of person; and therefore, if they were admitted to be witness for each other, they would contradict one maxim of law, "nemo in propria causa testis esse debet"; and if against each other, they would contradict another maxim, "nemo tenetur seipsum accusare." But, where the offence is directly against the person of the wife, this rule has been usually dispensed with; and therefore, by statute 3 Hen. VII, c. 2, in case a woman be forcibly taken away, and married, she may be a witness against such her husband, in order to convict him of felony. For in this case she can with no propriety be reckoned his wife; because a main ingredient, her consent, was wanting to the contract: and also there is another maxim of law, that no man shall take advantage of his own wrong; which the ravisher here would do, if, by forcibly marrying a woman, he could prevent her from being a witness, who is perhaps the only witness to that very fact.

In the civil law the husband and the wife are considered as two distinct persons, and may have separate estates, contracts, debts, and injuries; and therefore in our ecclesiastical courts, a woman may sue and be sued without her husband.

But though our law in general considers man and wife as one person, yet there are some instances in which she is separately considered; as inferior to him, and acting by his compulsion. And therefore any deeds executed, and acts done, by her, during her coverture, are void; except it be a fine, or the like manner of record, in which case she must be solely and secretly examined, to learn if her act be voluntary. She cannot by will devise lands to her husband, unless under special circumstances; for at the time of making it she is supposed to be under his coercion. And in some felonies, and other inferior crimes, committed by her through constraint of her husband, the law excuses her: but this extends not to treason or murder.

http://womenshistory.about.com/cs/lives19th/a/blackstone_law.htm

or, how about the plank in the southern baptist convention a few years ago, resurrecting the old "wives shall be submissive to their husbands" nonsense. google that phrase, and see how many institutions view that as a commandment right now.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
60. Dear Mr One-in-a-million,
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:36 AM
Feb 2013

... you live in a bubble. What did you expect when you wandered into this thread beginning with "Why are women so angry?..." Without even knowing it, you proved my point with a sweeping sexist generalization of your own. Where did I "claim to be be supportive of the destruction of sexism.."? My anecdotes were few, but they were very true and they do prove much about men in general. And even though you are one-in-a-million, you MUST recognize that everything I said was true. You can not tell me you don't believe everything I said. You can't. Your bubble isn't that impervious.

Oh, I have taken a closer look at myself. And I am one of the very lucky ones to have escaped the vicious inter-generational cycle of dysfunctionality. You want to know what women's biggest enemy of all is? It isn't men, as you thought I would say. It's BIOLOGY.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
79. ouch.
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:51 PM
Feb 2013

I hope you don't really mean this:

You want to know what women's biggest enemy of all is? It isn't men, as you thought I would say. It's BIOLOGY.

Your biology is a fact of life, but it shouldn't be viewed as an 'enemy.'
The enemy is in reality many men and some women who are actively trying to strip all women of their autonomy as people.
The enemy is a social construct that diminishes women rather than empowering them based on both their individual and biological strengths.
I tell my little girl that she can do whatever it is she wants in life and that she is just as capable as any boy. She is not her own enemy. Members of society who would tell her that her gender is the 'enemy,' that she is somehow less of a person for it are her true enemies.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
90. I guess I should have been more explicit...
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:09 PM
Feb 2013

...what I meant by "Biology" was sex drive, not gender.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
70. You are joking, right?
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 11:36 AM
Feb 2013

Why do you think the divorce rate is so high? For kicks? What about the murder rate, the murder/suicide phenomenon....

Ah. forget it.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
65. Wow!
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 07:05 AM
Feb 2013

That was a monumentally stupid statement right there. You're just as sexist as the anti-choice crowd.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
91. Huh?
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:39 PM
Feb 2013

I don't see the relation between "women are slaves" and being anti-choice. I'm definitely pro-choice, not anti. But, you CAN call me sexist until the cows come home, because I am. Sexism goes both ways. No? Oh, and to clear up any confusion, I am a woman.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
92. I never insinuated that...
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:01 PM
Feb 2013

... I speak for all women. And I have no interest in cross-examining you because you disagree with my view, like some are apt to do on these boards. You are a very lucky woman, in that you don't feel like a slave after 18 yrs of marriage. My best regards to you.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
16. Unfortunately, it IS the poor who suffer
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:26 PM
Feb 2013

If ANY wife or daughter of these anti-choice legislators in these states needed an abortion, she would be on the first plane out of there for a nice "vacation" in someplace like NY or LA.

Besides having fought these very same battles 40 years ago, I also know all about rich women and their "vacations".

Smilo

(1,944 posts)
18. Suffragettes are spinning in their graves
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:33 PM
Feb 2013

knowing their descendants are still fighting for rights.

K&R

Nika

(546 posts)
21. It is very important never to give up this struggle, as or opponents would push women...
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:49 PM
Feb 2013

... down to Taliban levels of oppression were they free to operate with no resistance to what they do.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
53. It shouldn't BE a "struggle" at this point....
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:33 AM
Feb 2013

The fact that there are people in power who didn't run on this issue and then pull this crap out of party loyalty is what people are beginning to realize.

niyad

(113,270 posts)
56. unfortunately, it IS a struggle--and please note that someof these idiots actually have run
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:48 AM
Feb 2013

on anti-choice, woman-hating platforms. take a good look at people like akin, gingrey, broun, etc. no secret about where they stand.

and take a look at all the proposed legislation coming out of the states and DC. even though some of these clowns got trounced, they still have not gotten the message (take a look at ND and that idiot in NM (a woman who is raped must not have an abortion because she is "tampering with evidence"--and a WOMAN proposed that idiocy)

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
66. There are WOMEN that vote Republican because of wedge issues....
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 09:57 AM
Feb 2013

One being racism.

There are people who believe civilization is a fragile thing invented by the White Race and all other races are savages.

Republicans exploit that.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
22. I'm a man - with a wife I adore, a mom I love, and two sisters I cherish; and I'm ....
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:52 PM
Feb 2013

fucking pissed off as well!

I'm done questionioning why any woman could vote for a Republican. The better question is, "Why would any sentient human being vote for a Republican?"

CRH

(1,553 posts)
69. Every time I read similar threads, ...
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:50 AM
Feb 2013

and hear all the anger and frustration, I often wonder the same.

Without suggesting blame, I often wonder if a strategy of cultivating an overwhelming block of women voting to affirm choice through the defeat of any politician not supporting it, would rapidly change the national republican platform.

It is often inferred men are the sole problem of this issue. There are more registered women voters than men, yet somehow choice and equal pay remains a hot button issue in every decade.

How do the chauvinistic male politicians continue to dominate or at least block progress for women's rights? With the consent of a lot of women.

niyad

(113,270 posts)
82. if you had read the OP, you might have had some answers. some of the explanations were right
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:11 PM
Feb 2013

there. (you might also look at post 30)

but, I see, this whole situation is the fault of the women. we created the patriarchy and its mental constructs about women, apparently. all we have to do is vote, and everything will magically be different??

what do you suggest we do about the religions that tell women they are chattel, second-class, less-than? if women are brain-washed, indoctrinated that they are lesser--it takes a lot of education to overcome that.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
24. What "they" call traditional values is nothing more than their pathological fear of change.
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:56 PM
Feb 2013

Too often I hear misogyny couched in some false sense of tradition from a time when women "knew their place". It's never stated so bluntly but it is exactly what they mean.

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
27. I'm with you, and her
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:25 PM
Feb 2013

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as I cannot believe that after being on the front lines of this fight 40 years ago, we have to keep fighting the same battles. Jeez-o-pete, I thought we'd 'evolve' by now.

Then I remember that it took 70 years, from Seneca Falls until women got to vote.

So let's keep on. SBA said "Failure is Impossible".

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
40. Yep, duh, I need to up my caffeine intake today!
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:10 PM
Feb 2013

Sorry, but you can tell, if I am someone who was on the frontlines 40 years ago, I'm getting up there!

niyad

(113,270 posts)
30. why am I so angry? for one thing, because there are still people around who are so clueless,
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:41 PM
Feb 2013

so ignorant of the realities of our world, so out of touch with the discrimination, the hatred, the violence, to actually have the nerve to ask that question.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
32. I wish more young women were angry.
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:46 PM
Feb 2013

I'm tired. The very first high school debate I was in, I took the pro-choice position. That was a long time ago and the same damn debate is still going on.

niyad

(113,270 posts)
34. I have been tired for decades, but will not give up--sometimes I think they are hoping for us
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:48 PM
Feb 2013

all to just drop from exhaustion.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
59. believe me a lot of young women took notice last year when politicians were trying to take their
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:09 AM
Feb 2013

rights away. My now 18 year old daughter certainly noticed. She missed the election by 1 month, but she is completely aware and ready to stand up for her rights.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
61. That's good to hear.
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:51 AM
Feb 2013

I live in a very conservative area and the young women are brainwashed. Many of them appear to believe they were put on this earth to have babies.

Freddie

(9,261 posts)
84. Me too -- HS debate
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:24 PM
Feb 2013

It was 1972 and the issue was hot. I was the head of the pro-choice side in our 10th grade English class debates.
Unfortunately our teacher was a former priest (left the priesthood to marry) and the topic had him so upset that he ended the debate mid-stream and disliked me the rest of the year. A foretaste of how the topic would never be resolved.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
89. Mine was in 1971 and I was a junior.
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:18 PM
Feb 2013

The class said I won the debate. Unfortunately, that didn't help much in changing things.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
85. Women, men, feminists have a right to be angry, and I'm one if the angry...
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:37 PM
Feb 2013

I have supported reproductive rights since the 60s, and I can still remember from even earlier times when back alley abortions were plot themes in T.V. drama. I supported Sarah Weddington when she ran for and WON a TEXAS legislative seat even before Roe v Wade was handed down. It is infuriating to go through this again. Many hours spent on this issue. And I'm ready to get in the trenches again.

niyad

(113,270 posts)
38. "for all women in struggle" kristin lems
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:15 PM
Feb 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1gyQplb3mfM

Kristin Lems
For All Women In Struggle lyrics
Send "For All Women In Struggle" Ringtone to your Cell
This song is for all women in struggle
Forced to make their troubled ways alone
In the courts, in the homes, and in the factories
Our heroines unnamed and unknown
Chorus:
They knew they'd never change the world without fighting
Even though they had a lot to lose
If you can stand the pain, it's worth deciding
To defend a woman's right to choose
Oh my sisters, dear sisters, be strong.
Before we had a movement to call our own,
There were women fighting one by one
And even now, when the going gets tough
There are times there seems to be no one
Chorus
Whatever rights we cherish now,
There are mothers, and their mothers to thank
For the sake of ourselves and our daughters to come
It is time for us to join in the ranks
Chorus
Words and music by Kristin Lems c MCMLXXIX Kleine Ding Music (BMI

Useless in FL

(329 posts)
46. I'm tired too, and beaten down.
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 10:09 PM
Feb 2013

I've spent my whole life defending our rights and everytime I think we're making improvements, advancing our hope, it falls apart. I'm tired of fighting..I'll soon be gone and I don't see a whole lot of women advancing our cause. Where are we? Nowhere. Just as we were in 1963 when I was a highschool graduate or in 1967 when I was a college graduate? Why?? Why do we have to justify and keep fighting back to have equal access to every facit of our existence? Are we just tools to ... I can't even express what? I'm tired of fighting, but then I think of the hate and the total control and I think that we are where we were during the American revolution, except that we are Women, fighting for our rights and our control of our lives and bodies in 2013. Regardless about how you feel we should be, somehow we need to unite to fight back - to the corptocracy and to the 1 percent who seek to control us. Where is all this evil energy coming from? People who want to control and enslave us for their own profit and enjoyment.

I rarely post here for fear of expressing my ignorance and inviting criticism. That is no more. I have a voice, and I have an opinion and I will not be disparaged.

niyad

(113,270 posts)
51. many of us are tired, and discouraged, and even bewildered. as you asked, where is all this
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:14 AM
Feb 2013

evil energy coming from? the sheer ugliness and brutality of the current round in the war on women is almost beyond any rational person's comprehension.

I do see the energy in many of the young women. If you need a lift, suggest you visit the v-day website (v standing for ending violence against women, eve ensler's amazing group)
www.vday.org. very inspiring.

and I am so glad you have decided to use your voice--we need each and every one of ours in order to be heard.

curlyred

(1,879 posts)
50. Because my constitutional rights are second class
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:08 AM
Feb 2013

To your second amendment rights. Because you continue to infringe on my right to privacy but allow no hint of regulation to your right to own any weapon you please. Because you continue to regulate my rights out of existence while slaughter continues unabated.

That's why, you jerk.

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
58. Because we have a good portion of the population that vote in the assholes that
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:07 AM
Feb 2013

keep this shit going on IMO.

Left Coast2020

(2,397 posts)
62. Yes. And some of them are women themselves--voting against own self interest
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:21 AM
Feb 2013

But I was taught that when you get really pissed, something is supposed to happen after that. Protesting? Hmmm. Perhaps something more of an attention-getter like sit-in's I would think.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
64. I'm 57 years old
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 07:00 AM
Feb 2013

and it feel like we've been fighting this battle FOREVER. I'm lucky to be in California, a state where the anti-choice crowd has been rendered toothless but I look at states like Mississippi where there's ONE abortion provider in the entire state and I see, at least regionally, that we've moved about an inch from where we were 40 years ago.

malthaussen

(17,187 posts)
68. Doncha know? Angry women are unattractive.
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:38 AM
Feb 2013

I've been fighting this shit myself since I became sapient, but I'm not angry. I'm friggin' outraged. I want to grab some people by their pencil-necks and start laying into them with a lead pipe. But hey, I'm a guy -- we're allowed to get angry.

-- Mal

niyad

(113,270 posts)
73. people ask me why I carry such a large purse--I smile sweetly and say, 'because it's legal,
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:23 PM
Feb 2013

and lethal" handier than a lead pipe.

niyad

(113,270 posts)
95. fortunately, I have never needed to use it that way. I have been told that I walk with a serious
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 07:53 PM
Feb 2013

"DO NOT mess with me" vibe (gee, ya think???)

PasadenaTrudy

(3,998 posts)
74. If you are on twitter..
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:26 PM
Feb 2013

follow @EverydaySexism, it is stunning. Women all over the world share the daily crap they have to endure by men...

PasadenaTrudy

(3,998 posts)
77. I'm angry because...
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:41 PM
Feb 2013

childfree women are looked at as freaks. There was a great essay in the Seattle Times the other day by a woman who has chosen not to have children. Boy, the comments were cruel! Sorry, but I have never liked kids and knew at the age of 8 that I would never have them. I'm a person, not a baby making machine. I'm angry at all the other stuff too, btw

K&R

niyad

(113,270 posts)
83. do you have a link to that article? I got a lot of flack over the years for choosing to be
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:15 PM
Feb 2013

childfree, but, fortunately I have a very thick skin when it comes to other people's opinion of me. Like you, I knew from a very early age that I would not have children, and have never regretted it.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
96. K&R, I still can't can't believe we have to have to protest this this shit.
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 08:39 PM
Feb 2013

It is high time that we get our rights due. This is bullshit. We are overdue.

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