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woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 01:24 PM Jan 2012

Homeland Security Wants to Spy on 4 Square Miles at Once

And we thought traffic cameras were a big deal? Now Homeland Security wants a camera on miles and miles and miles of us, all the time. Welcome to the surveillance state, and be sure to wave to the camera when you go to buy milk.

Occupy now, because they are working on making it impossible to occupy later.


http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/01/homeland-security-surveillance/

Homeland Security Wants to Spy on 4 Square Miles at Once
By Spencer Ackerman
January 23, 2012 |

It’s not just for the Afghanistan and Iraq wars anymore. The Department of Homeland Security is interested in a camera package that can peek in on almost four square miles of (constitutionally protected) American territory for long, long stretches of time.

Homeland Security doesn’t have a particular system in mind. Right now, it’s just soliciting “industry feedback” on what a formal call for such a “Wide Area Surveillance System” might look like. But it’s the latest indication of how powerful military surveillance technology, developed to find foreign insurgents and terrorists, is migrating to the home front.

The Department of Homeland Security says it’s interested in a system that can see between five to 10 square kilometers — that’s between two and four square miles, roughly the size of Brooklyn, New York’s Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood — in its “persistent mode.” By “persistent,” it means the cameras should stare at the area in question for an unspecified number of hours to collect what the military likes to call “pattern of life” data — that is, what “normal” activity looks like for a given area. Persistence typically depends on how long the vehicle carrying the camera suite can stay aloft; DHS wants something that can fit into a manned P-3 Orion spy plane or a Predator drone — of which it has a couple. When not in “persistent mode,” the cameras ought to be able to see much, much further: “long linear areas, tens to hundreds of kilometers in extent, such as open, remote borders.”

If it’s starting to sound reminiscent of the spy tools the military has used in Iraq and Afghanistan, it should....But. Those systems are used against insurgents, who are not protected by the Fourth Amendment’s prohibitions on unreasonable searches. Even if the wide-area surveillance DHS is after is just used at borders or airports, those are still places where Americans go about their business, under the presumption that they’re not living in a government panopticon.

....(more at link)



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Homeland Security Wants to Spy on 4 Square Miles at Once (Original Post) woo me with science Jan 2012 OP
I have a routine of giving the middle finger to the sky in hopes that some day I will see it from a Lint Head Jan 2012 #1
Plenty of money for this nonsense They_Live Jan 2012 #2
They perfected this in the UK. Octafish Jan 2012 #3
I think we are beyond the movie Enemy of the State sarcasmo Jan 2012 #4
And we don't have enough money for our schools? JDPriestly Feb 2012 #5
That question should be repeated, loudly, every single day, woo me with science Feb 2012 #6
Spam deleted by DURHAM D (MIR Team) uamazeme Sep 2012 #7

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
1. I have a routine of giving the middle finger to the sky in hopes that some day I will see it from a
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 01:29 PM
Jan 2012

drone or satellite image.

They_Live

(3,223 posts)
2. Plenty of money for this nonsense
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 02:00 PM
Jan 2012

but we have to get rid of Social Security, Medicare, The Post Office, and anything else that actually benefits society. Great.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
5. And we don't have enough money for our schools?
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 10:40 PM
Feb 2012

What kinds of values does the Obama administration have?

What is important here? Filling the sky with this junk or doing what is right for the American people?

And who is snooping on whom?

Isn't the government supposed to belong to us, not the other way around?

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
6. That question should be repeated, loudly, every single day,
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 11:43 PM
Feb 2012

because there is a new betrayal of the people every day. And it will continue to happen until we acknowledge that this is a pervasive, bipartisan problem, and get the money out of politics.

The parties are colluding and acting against the interests of the people, and they are colluding to keep wedge issues front and center, to distract us from what they are accomplishing together. Obama's signing of ACTA was purposely kept quiet, and nobody here was aware of when he signed the bill to proliferate drones in US skies, and to make it more difficult for airport workers to unionize.

This surveillance plan, too, has been in none of the major papers.

It has become important to watch our elected "representatives" very closely, it seems.

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