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Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:52 AM

 

The Koch brothers aren't related to Nazis Ilse Koch or Erich Koch.

A thread has been posted claiming they are.

It's demonstrably false. The American Kochs immigrated to Texas in the 1880s from the Netherlands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Koch_%28businessman%29

There is no known relationship between Erich Koch & Ilse (Kohler) Koch's husband Karl Otto Koch. Karl was born near Frankfurt; Erich was born near Dusseldorf.



No relation between them is mentioned in any of the standard bios.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Koch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Otto_Koch

There's no evidence Erich had anything to do with oil. He was a regional leader of the Nazi Party throughout the war.

There's no evidence the Kochs did business with the Nazis (it's not mentioned in any of the standard biographies).

The Kochs did business with the USSR, but not, as the other thread claims, after their supposed business with the Nazis ended at the end of WW2. Rather it was *before* WW2:

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/koch-industries-inc-history/

The piece claiming the Nazi Kochs are related to the American Kochs offers no evidence for these claims whatsoever.

It was written by a bald man from NYC who claims to be an artist (warning; nude woman on page):

http://www.picssr.com/photos/9009333@N06/popular-interesting

The article has a disclaimer "Not vetted by CNN"

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-500857


I hold no brief for the kochs, but there's plenty of real dirt on them. Why go to nazi-style smear tactics? Supposedly democrats don't play that way.

And supposedly democrats are 'high-information' voters who don't fall for such evidence-less smears.

supposedly.

29 recs and counting for that smear post.



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Reply The Koch brothers aren't related to Nazis Ilse Koch or Erich Koch. (Original post)
HiPointDem Jan 2013 OP
flamingdem Jan 2013 #1
HiPointDem Jan 2013 #3
BainsBane Jan 2013 #2
flamingdem Jan 2013 #4
HiPointDem Jan 2013 #5
BainsBane Jan 2013 #6
HiPointDem Jan 2013 #7
BainsBane Jan 2013 #8
HiPointDem Jan 2013 #9
BainsBane Jan 2013 #10
okaawhatever Jan 2013 #11
RZM Jan 2013 #12
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Darmosiel Apr 2014 #14

Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:55 AM

1. No relation - other than ethical world view n/t

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:58 AM

3. would that be the kind of ethical world view that smears people & claims 'they deserve it"?

 

yeah, i see the similarities.

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:57 AM

2. . . .

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:01 AM

4. ...

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:18 AM

5. yeah, it's about as funny as the birther stuff about obama being a muslim born in

 

africa & son of a communist.

funny shit.

"i think you're taking this too seriously, nobody cares."

no, actually, some people do care about truth.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:40 AM

6. I thought your post was meant humorously

I'm not aware of any attempt to link them to Nazi lineage.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:43 AM

7. you missed the post that's been on the front page near mine for the last hour or so?

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:45 AM

8. Obviously I did

Why didn't you respond to that thread? Wouldn't that have made more sense? Of course you can do what you like, but not every one s going to have seen the article you're referencing.

I myself don't like Nazi analogies.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:04 AM

9. i did respond to it. the poster insisted that it might be true, it didn't matter, & no one cared.

 

s/he liked the lie, & the kochs deserve it.

so i posted a rebuttal, & noted that it was in response to another post.

when i saw your post, i assumed you were just making fun of me, esp. when the poster in question joined you in laughing here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2193584

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:32 AM

10. No, I wasn't

I took it as an ironic post.

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:35 AM

11. I agree w/your info. Smear campaigns are their m.o. not ours. I will keep my devil spawn theory

though. Still no proof to the contrary.

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:49 AM

12. That article is a laughably bad

 

The sum total of the evidence is that they all have the same last name. It seems to be written at roughly the late high school/early college level. I'm not a big fan of CNN and even I'm amazed that they have their name on this crap at all, even with the disclaimer.

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Mon Apr 7, 2014, 09:48 AM

14. Koch Family Tree

Well, that's all interesting EXCEPT Wiki is not exactly a reliable resource since Wiki is material that people have written and entered and not necessarily from research specialists.

The Connection does explain why Fred was so focused on hating Communists.
Too bad Koch money can't discredit Fred's Bircher history but give it time I'm sure they will delete that as well

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