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Wed Jan 25, 2012, 11:57 AM

... And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there?

Now we know: 58 000 dollars a day. Passive income from the money we are looking at. No work of any kind involved at this point. Sitting in off shore banks, creating neither trickle down goop nor jobs.

Good new talking points in our daily interaction.
Sprinkle it into the conversations. Raise some consciousness around you.
It's our job.




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Reply ... And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? (Original post)
Mira Jan 2012 OP
NNN0LHI Jan 2012 #1
Mira Jan 2012 #2
Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #3
kctim Jan 2012 #4
Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #7
kctim Jan 2012 #13
Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #17
kctim Jan 2012 #18
Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #19
Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2012 #5
Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #6
hfojvt Jan 2012 #8
taught_me_patience Jan 2012 #9
Avalux Jan 2012 #15
Bandit Jan 2012 #10
Mira Jan 2012 #11
barbtries Jan 2012 #12
nanabugg Jan 2012 #14
SammyWinstonJack Jan 2012 #16
Mosaic Jan 2012 #20
Zorra Jan 2012 #21

Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:01 PM

1. Been something wrong with this country for over 30 years that I know of

Only difference is more people are beginning to notice.

Don

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Response to NNN0LHI (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:05 PM

2. Yes. We are beginning to do our job better is one reason.

And the results of the wrong becoming more obvious by the day is another.

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 05:01 PM

3. To give it credibility

 

The author needs to at least compare apples to apples and compare effective tax rates on both.

When I see things like this with obviously deceptive information, it makes me wonder what the truth is and why the author is hiding it.

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Response to Kellerfeller (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 05:20 PM

4. Now how many votes do you think could be scared up by doing that?

 

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Response to kctim (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 06:28 PM

7. ?????

 

Why are we trying to "scare" up votes?

I honestly don't even know what you are saying. Are you saying being honest will attract votes or scare them away?

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Response to Kellerfeller (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 26, 2012, 11:13 AM

13. An "apples to apples" comparision

 

does not show a 15-20% difference in the taxes we pay, so it is not as effective as lumping everything together and telling people they pay more.

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Response to kctim (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 26, 2012, 12:20 PM

17. If an apples to apples comparison doesn't show it

 

then it isn't true.


If you want to do a complete analysis on all federal,state, and local taxes (income, sales, property)--loosely including SS and Medicare as a tax, then do so and prove your point.

But to mix obviously flawed data makes the reader question the agenda and accuracy of the conclusion the author is trying to make.

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Response to Kellerfeller (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 26, 2012, 03:05 PM

18. I see where I erred

 

You asked: "Are you saying being honest will attract votes or scare them away?" and I totally read right past that.

I am saying being honest will not attract votes because it will not stir the same anger as lumping all the info together does.

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Response to kctim (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 26, 2012, 03:40 PM

19. But the data was not lumped

 

One data point was taken from Romney and one different data point from the teacher. That is my point.

lumping it together would be fine and probably best illustrate the point with no perception of deception.

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Response to Kellerfeller (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 06:02 PM

5. What is the deceptive information?

 

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Response to Hell Hath No Fury (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 06:13 PM

6. Anyone who reads/watches any news sources

 

knows that Romney's effective tax rate was in the 14% range. (And that there is no 14% marginal tax range)

They also know that a teacher may be in the 25% marginal tax bracket before deductions. He/she may even be in that bracket after deductions, but unlikely for many teachers due to the low pay. However, anyone with half a brain knows that not only is part of the income not taxed (due to deductions, even if they don't itemize) but not all of the income is taxed at the 25% rate.

So there is really no way a teacher can pay 25% unless they have significant other income or win the lottery.

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Response to Kellerfeller (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 06:46 PM

8. thanks, I was gonna say the same thing

the teacher is very unlikely to be paying 25%.

However, there is a 15% marginal rate for all capital gains

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 07:19 PM

9. Very misleading

 

Romney's tax rate of 15% is his effective rate. The teacher might be in a 25% marginal rate bracket, but after the standard deduction, there is no way her effective rate would be 25%.

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Response to taught_me_patience (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 26, 2012, 11:20 AM

15. How is it misleading? Did you read the post?

Romney does not have a job - his 'income' comes from money stashed all over the place, doing nothing but making more money for him.

His tax rate of 13.9% is capital gains. If GOPers are successful in reducing the that tax to 0%, Romney will pay NOTHING. NOTHING on 250 million dollars.

So yes - there is something terribly wrong in this country.

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 08:18 PM

10. $58,000 a DAY is nothing really when compared to Exxon

Exxon for the last Decade has made a NET PROFIT after every single expense has been paid Over One Hundred Million Dollars a Day, A Fucking DAY week after week, month after month, year after year, 365 days a year, and yet they still get subsidies and Tax Breaks from the Government......$58,000 a day is nothing but pocket change to them.

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Response to Bandit (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 11:02 PM

11. As a comparative, in a rule of thumb way, that's not half bad.

There's Romney, worth about 2/3 billion bucks vs. Exxon, and 58 000 bucks a day income and there's a median family income of about 50 000 bucks a year.

Exxon won't compare itself to Romney without laughing, and Romney can't compare himself to the American people without us laughing.

Kind of looks and feels similar, doesn't it?

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Thu Jan 26, 2012, 07:30 AM

12. yep.

our country is terribly messed up.

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Thu Jan 26, 2012, 11:16 AM

14. It is UP TO US to make this understandable to the those who continue to be brainwashed by the RW.

 

A few phone calls into Rush would help.

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Response to nanabugg (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 26, 2012, 11:27 AM

16. Rush would laugh at you. Call you a stupid librul and say you hate the rich and are just jealous of

their hard earned wealth. And I doubt that you would have any better luck trying to convince the brainwashed .

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 26, 2012, 03:46 PM

20. I could not care less if he 'laughs' at me

He can burn in hell. We must confront him until he backs down. Put him out of business, for the love of God!

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Thu Jan 26, 2012, 03:47 PM

21. yep. Occupy.

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