You raped her because her clothes provoked you?

[Playinghardball]

[Deep13]

1. Do people still think that?

Ugh!

[awoke_in_2003]

13. Unfortunately. nt

[NewJeffCT]

17. yes - it's not as rare a belief as you think

Bill O'Reilly, for one.

[Deep13]

30. AKA, the last surviving Neanderthal. nt

[NewJeffCT]

38. He's still got pretty good ratings on Fox

unlike most of the others who have been tanking since the election

[BainsBane]

19. even on DU

I've seen it a time or two here

[tblue37]

32. If they didn't burqas would not exist, and the

conservatives in India would not be saying in response to the rape of that young woman that women and girls need to wear more modest clothing to prevent such things from happening to them.

[AgingAmerican]

43. I remember Limbaugh pushing this "Rape is the womans fault" meme

back in the early 2000s when some woman wearing a mini skirt got raped in Florida.

[flying_wahini]

2. I like it!

n/t

[riderinthestorm]

3. There's a study, I don't have it at hand, where the rapists couldn't remember victims' clothing

but they could remember the victim's shoes.

Yup, their shoes. See, they were interested in how easy their victim could fight back, or run (or not run). Women in high heels - easy prey. Running shoes - difficult.

Its really interesting but I'm literally "running" out the door myself (in sensible running shoes)!

Rapists are interested in power, violence and control - its not about clothing.

[baldguy]

5. "Well, look at how she was dressed! She was *asking* for it!"

Rapists escape punishment all the time using some variation of this same argument.

[Larrymoe Curlyshemp]

14. Like that case in Texas

Some years back (1990s?), where the defendant, whose last name was Lord, got off because the jury bought the defense attorney's argument that the woman was "asking for it."

[ck4829]

33. I remember that case involving the victim being threatened with a knife

How did she ask to be raped at knife point, right?

(It might not have been the same exact case, but it was the same guy. Yes, he raped twice, I wonder if the second victim asked for it too.)

[kurtzapril4]

20. My mother believed that.

Ahhhh...if only she knew.

[seabeyond]

12. OMG... i love my 3 and half inch boots. LOVE them. does it mean i am asking to be raped.

you know me. jesting.

[riderinthestorm]

31. If you can kick the shit out of your attacker all the more woe to them!

Back-at-cha sea!

[tavalon]

25. Yeah, that's the key. Rapists aren't interested in sex but rather subjugation

The only satisfaction they get is through making another person suffer. It's disgusting.

[icarusxat]

4. It is about power, not clothes

You can dress in the same fine duds you might find on a republican, but you are still going to get raped, even if it is just a legitimate rape...

[TrogL]

6. Another powerful image - this is what I was wearing

[JI7]

8. it wouldn't be ok even if she wasn't wearing anything

[gateley]

11. +1

[japple]

16. You're right. A woman who walks down the street completely naked is not

asking to be raped.

[Beacool]

28. Hear, hear!!!

[Heathen57]

47. My thoughts exactly.

Men wanting to control women, all the while having absolutely no self control of their own.

[AAO]

48. But you have to admit she shouldn't be shocked by people staring

[NewJeffCT]

18. Agreed

There is never an excuse to rape somebody.

[ProfessionalLeftist]

39. +1000

Exactly. No one is responsible for the rapist's behavior -- except the rapist. No one.

[tavalon]

23. Very strong and courageous woman there

I despise rapists.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

7. And this:

"And say to the faithful women to lower their gazes, and to guard their private parts, and not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it, and to extend their headcoverings (khimars) to cover their bosoms (jaybs), and not to display their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right hands rule (slaves), or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not apparent, and not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide of their adornments. And turn in repentance to Allah together, O you the faithful, in order that you are successful"

Qur'an Sura Nur Chapter: The Light. Verse 31

"it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person" (Matt. 15.11).

[freshwest]

9. Incapacitated women are also to blame for getting raped:

Court Requires Disabled Rape Victim To Prove She Resisted, Calls For Evidence Of ‘Biting, Kicking, Scratching’

In a 4-3 ruling Tuesday afternoon, the Connecticut State Supreme Court overturned the sexual assault conviction of a man who had sex with a woman who “has severe cerebral palsy, has the intellectual functional equivalent of a 3-year-old and cannot verbally communicate.” The Court held that, because Connecticut statutes define physical incapacity for the purpose of sexual assault as “unconscious or for any other reason. . . physically unable to communicate unwillingness to an act,” the defendant could not be convicted if there was any chance that the victim could have communicated her lack of consent. Since the victim in this case was capable of “biting, kicking, scratching, screeching, groaning or gesturing,” the Court ruled that that victim could have communicated lack of consent despite her serious mental deficiencies:

When we consider this evidence in the light most favorable to sustaining the verdict, and in a manner that is consistent with the state’s theory of guilt at trial, we, like the Appellate Court, ‘are not persuaded that the state produced any credible evidence that the was either unconscious or so uncommunicative that she was physically incapable of manifesting to the defendant her lack of consent to sexual intercourse at the time of the alleged sexual assault.’

According to the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network (RAINN), lack of physical resistance is not evidence of consent, as “many victims make the good judgment that physical resistance would cause the attacker to become more violent.” RAINN also notes that lack of consent is implicit “if you were under the statutory age of consent, or if you had a mental defect” as the victim did in this case.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021474289

Yes, I agree with the OP. Get real, people.

[tavalon]

22. That is sick

Really, really sick.

[freshwest]

26. And the nightmare of every parent with a disable child. More common than many think.

[Odin2005]

10. +1,000,000,000,000

[ZX86]

15. You ever notice this logic

is never used when addressing prison rape? "Hey he dropped the soap. He was asking for it. That's what you get for being such a tease".

[LisaLynne]

24. Um, no. nt

[Starry Messenger]

35. Said no one ever.

[tavalon]

21. Best sign ever

And yes, anyone who spouts such swill deserves to be clocked.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

27. In this world there are many who think they can do what they want

starts at an early age

http://books.google.com/books?id=qObabPbmEgIC&pg=PA63&dq=background+of+rapists&hl=en&sa=X&ei=a8zwULe9GrK00AHGuoDYBw&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=background%20of%20rapists&f=false

[Beacool]

29. What makes some men think that they have the right to grope a woman?

They act as if it is their birth right to grab any woman they want.

As for rape, it is indefensible. I don't care what she's wearing, no one has the right to force another person to have sex with them. In the event that the woman has passed out, that is not a tacit agreement on her part that she wants to be violated.

[Odin2005]

44. And when women say "stop that" they are called "frigid"...

...told they are neurotic and need to loosen up.

[WinkyDink]

34. And shoplifters are within their rights because the goods are out on display!

[duhneece]

36. Great response. I hope I remember it

When I hear a woman blamed for her rape on how provocatively she was dressed.

[In_The_Wind]

37. Let the blame go where it belongs ~ on the person committing the rape.

! ! ! [img][/img] There is no defense for rape. It's wrong! End of story. [img][/img]

[retread]

40. This thread brings this to mind:

?w=584

[HarveyDarkey]

41. Variation on a theme

[WillyT]

42. HUGE K & R !!!

[War Horse]

45. Rape is always wrong. Period.

We've really failed as species, as this obviously has to be explained to people in the year 2012.



Uhm, 2013.

[AAO]

49. It's amazing there should be any debate. The Tea Party influence must be finally crushed.

And then the rest of the repubs should be neutered by big dem majorities.

2014 will be a very good year.. IF the cards are well played ....

[lunatica]

46. kick'd and rec'd

[ReRe]

50. Oh....if I was just young again....

.... If I lived in one of those towns that had rape crews, I would form a beat-em-up crew. Call it teenage vigilante justice. If they rape, we beat-em-up. Do two wrongs make a right? No. Does a wrong and a right make a right? No. If a wrong stops a wrong, I think that makes a right. Did I say that right?