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Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:43 PM Jan 2013

Is it possible for a man to be "pro-choice"?



http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pro-choice?s=t


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Yes, it is possible for a man to be "pro-choice".
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No, men can support the cause, but they should not call themselves "pro-choice".
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Is it possible for a man to be "pro-choice"? (Original Post) Nye Bevan Jan 2013 OP
I think it's possible for men to support the right of women to choice. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #1
Obviously,YES... Flashmann Jan 2013 #2
Nope. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #3
Link? yardwork Jan 2013 #8
I have worked for women's reproductive choice for many years and I have never encountered CTyankee Jan 2013 #11
Why the snark? MrSlayer Jan 2013 #16
If you are pro-choice you recognize that the woman herself is or should be the ultimate CTyankee Jan 2013 #17
I wouldn't interfere with it. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #18
I really don't know how prevalent this is here in the U.S. I certainly don't know of any woman CTyankee Jan 2013 #19
I don't know either. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #22
I can recommend to you the Alan Guttmacher Institute, which studies reproductive issues and is CTyankee Jan 2013 #23
That's why I wouldn't do anything about it. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #24
well, my point also is that the anti-choicers make a big deal about the Sweden thing without CTyankee Jan 2013 #25
I'm sure they do. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #28
Anyone voting no needs a dictionary, civics class... something cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #4
I voted No fadedrose Jan 2013 #34
A man can and should be pro-choice Bay Boy Jan 2013 #5
Everyone is pro-choice southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #6
Agreed. closeupready Jan 2013 #15
Of course bowens43 Jan 2013 #7
Of course wryter2000 Jan 2013 #9
Very well said. LisaLynne Jan 2013 #13
I knew a guy in college who was pro-abortion (his words) bluestateguy Jan 2013 #10
If Imay ask, why such a ridiculous question with an obvious answer? HERVEPA Jan 2013 #12
There's been assertion here the last couple of days that men cannot be feminists DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #21
OK. Thanks HERVEPA Jan 2013 #35
Still coming to terms w/the fact that I can't be a feminist ;) War Horse Jan 2013 #14
Well, here's a female feminist who says you certainly CAN be a feminist! all the men in my CTyankee Jan 2013 #32
What kind of question is this? gollygee Jan 2013 #20
Absolutely. For men, a pro choice position is leaving all decision making about pregnancy to women Politicub Jan 2013 #26
Of course it is ... etherealtruth Jan 2013 #27
of course Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 #29
This is possibly the dumbest OP I've ever seen... Quantess Jan 2013 #30
i support a woman's right to choose what she wants to do with her body samsingh Jan 2013 #31
Yes! Absolutely! frogmarch Jan 2013 #33
 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
1. I think it's possible for men to support the right of women to choice.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:47 PM
Jan 2013

The choice however isn't ultimately for men to make, either.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
3. Nope.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:47 PM
Jan 2013

Having a penis disqualifies you from having an opinion on the subject at all. That's what I've been told here the past couple of days.

It's kind of nice not to have to care about it anymore. Liberating even.

CTyankee

(63,892 posts)
11. I have worked for women's reproductive choice for many years and I have never encountered
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:57 PM
Jan 2013

the attitude you have described. All the men in my family would describe themselves as pro-choice and we have no problem with it, and indeed think highly of them. Being prochoice means that a man would not interfere with a woman's right to choose, that these decisions are those of individual women.

Your second statement carries a good deal of snark. Why do you carry that around?

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
16. Why the snark?
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:23 PM
Jan 2013

A couple reasons. 1) The dismissive attitude toward my opinion on the subject. 2) It's fun.

If I'm not going to be taken seriously simply because of my genitals what's the difference if I take a less than serious attitude about it?

For the record, I am pro-choice. But I do have definite opinions on the use of abortion for gender selection and the like. There have been a few threads on these subjects the past couple days.

CTyankee

(63,892 posts)
17. If you are pro-choice you recognize that the woman herself is or should be the ultimate
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:33 PM
Jan 2013

decision maker on whether or when to have a child. As for sex selection, you can be against a system that pretty much forces women to make a decision to abort on the basis of the fetus's sex. But essentially that view would support, not deny, a woman's choice, by leaving the decision up to her.

I am not sure what you mean, then, about your opinions on use of abortion for sex selection. Are you saying that a woman should NOT have that option by law, or you simply deplore a woman's decision to abort for that reason?

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
18. I wouldn't interfere with it.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:46 PM
Jan 2013

Because a restriction in that circumstance leads to restrictions on legitimate reasons to leep it legsl. But I reject the notion that it's perfectly fine to do so. Yes, I deplore the idea. To me, it's against the spirit of why it's legal. "Legal, safe and rare" is the mantra, terminating simply because you don't like the gender is not in that spirit. I find it repulsive.

But, again, I am pro-choice even if it means having to accept the truly ugly sides of it.

CTyankee

(63,892 posts)
19. I really don't know how prevalent this is here in the U.S. I certainly don't know of any woman
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:01 PM
Jan 2013

doing it, at least when I worked for a family planning clinic that did abortions it never came up as a reason women gave for opting for abortion. I know that there have been various theories about increasing the odds of conceiving a female or a male but not any actual instances of women seeking an abortion after finding out the sex of her fetus (not in China or India).


 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
22. I don't know either.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:10 PM
Jan 2013

But I would hope the percentage was very, very low. I have read about it being somewhat commonplace in Scandinavia where it's a deliberate decision rather than forced as it is in China and other places.

Regardless, I just find it to be a really shitty reason to have an abortion. I don't have to think it's acceptable or just keep quiet about it simply because I'm not a woman or will never be pregnant. That's all I'm saying.

CTyankee

(63,892 posts)
23. I can recommend to you the Alan Guttmacher Institute, which studies reproductive issues and is
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:24 PM
Jan 2013

considered the premier research organization used by city and state health departments all over the country. They do research on abortions in countries all over the world.

My guess is that the pro-choice movement in this country suspects that the "sex selection for abortion" is really a "wedge" issue in the attempt to curtail any abortions.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
24. That's why I wouldn't do anything about it.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:35 PM
Jan 2013

Because, as I said, they would use that restriction as an excuse to start doing more and more.

Can't give them an inch.

CTyankee

(63,892 posts)
25. well, my point also is that the anti-choicers make a big deal about the Sweden thing without
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:45 PM
Jan 2013

really offering any verifiable proof. So they blow this thing up to make people think this is really, really a common reason that women have abortions.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
28. I'm sure they do.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:56 PM
Jan 2013

They'll do anything to outlaw it, underhanded or not. But then they are the same exact people that will tell those forced birth children to starve to death if the parent(s) can't afford to feed them. No mooching you know, the rich need that money for a second yacht or seventh home.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
4. Anyone voting no needs a dictionary, civics class... something
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:48 PM
Jan 2013

This is like asking whether a person in New York could have been a proponent of building the Hoover Dam.

Pro-choice is a value enshrined or undermined in LAW.

LAWS are made by both men and women.


Why not ask whether a free person can be anti-slavery? It's the same question.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
34. I voted No
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:28 PM
Jan 2013

and without looking in a dictionary, I know men who don't want children, never wanted children, and are happy without them. They figure there must be women who don't want them either who don't want to join a convent and don't want to live without sex.

These same men admire women who are good mothers and love their kids.

I call that pro-choice in my world.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
6. Everyone is pro-choice
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:49 PM
Jan 2013

You have a choice to choose abortion or you have a choice to choose not to have an abortion. We have to stop saying pro this or anti this because we all have a choice.

wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
9. Of course
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:51 PM
Jan 2013

This is getting a bit disturbing. There are plenty of good men here. I don't see why they have to be belittled when 'they're more than willing to let the not-so-good ones know when they're being not-so-good.

I'm a woman, btw, and a feminist. As far as I'm concerned, men can't be women (and experience sexism directly), but they can be feminists. (Should have posted this in the other thread.)

LisaLynne

(14,554 posts)
13. Very well said.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:03 PM
Jan 2013

Just like with racial divides. As a white person, I will never know what it is to really experience the type of racism that goes on in this country directly, but I can certainly support equality for all.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
10. I knew a guy in college who was pro-abortion (his words)
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:55 PM
Jan 2013

He was an ultra conservative and seemed to support eugenics and social Darwinism. His view was more abortions by poor women meant fewer people on welfare that his taxes would have to support.

I also think he called himself pro-abortion because if he ever got a girl pregnant he would demand that she get an abortion, lest he have any financial responsibility.

Yeah, real prize he was, and he transferred to another school the next year.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
21. There's been assertion here the last couple of days that men cannot be feminists
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:05 PM
Jan 2013

I suspect the OP is mirroring that argument.

War Horse

(931 posts)
14. Still coming to terms w/the fact that I can't be a feminist ;)
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:06 PM
Jan 2013

But I'm pretty sure I can still be pro-choice.

CTyankee

(63,892 posts)
32. Well, here's a female feminist who says you certainly CAN be a feminist! all the men in my
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:21 PM
Jan 2013

family are feminists, and proudly so. They wouldn't have it any other way and neither would their female partners/wives.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
20. What kind of question is this?
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:05 PM
Jan 2013

Of course it is. This has nothing to do with your other poll. This is stupid.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
26. Absolutely. For men, a pro choice position is leaving all decision making about pregnancy to women
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:46 PM
Jan 2013

And, supporting legislation that preserves the rights of women to make their own decisions about their bodies.

Pretty simple, really.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
27. Of course it is ...
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:52 PM
Jan 2013

Sadly, a womens right to control her own body and reproductive health is a political issue (it shouldn't be, but it is) .... as such, we need support of all people!

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
30. This is possibly the dumbest OP I've ever seen...
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:07 PM
Jan 2013

...this week, anyway.

This is stupid, boneheaded, unwilling-to-understand, WAAAAAH garbage.

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