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Mon Jan 23, 2012, 07:37 PM

If hospitals, colleges and schools are going to ban smoking

for health reasons, shouldn't they also ban fast food outlets from their campuses and/or frozen frankenfoods (for example nuggets) from their menus as well as offer the most healthy meals around?

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Reply If hospitals, colleges and schools are going to ban smoking (Original post)
hedgehog Jan 2012 OP
Thor_MN Jan 2012 #1
XemaSab Jan 2012 #2
alphafemale Jan 2012 #6
obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #19
rustydog Jan 2012 #3
Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #4
unblock Jan 2012 #5
Marnie Jan 2012 #7
hedgehog Jan 2012 #8
msongs Jan 2012 #9
taterguy Jan 2012 #10
Odin2005 Jan 2012 #11
boston bean Jan 2012 #12
hedgehog Jan 2012 #13
Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #14
boston bean Jan 2012 #16
Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #18
Hippo_Tron Jan 2012 #22
The Straight Story Jan 2012 #23
Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #15
muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #17
obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #20
hedgehog Jan 2012 #21
obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #24
one_voice Jan 2012 #27
Scout Jan 2012 #25
Tikki Jan 2012 #26

Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 07:43 PM

1. Probably, but that has little to do with banning smoking

Trying to equate the two, or defend smoking based on food (however healthy it is) is ridiculous.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 07:44 PM

2. Yeah, 'cause when a person 20 feet away eats a nugget

my asthma flares up.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 07:47 PM

6. And I can't remember the time I've been sprayed with nugger chunks at that distance.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 10:08 PM

19. Or had nugget ash flicked at me

As I walked past.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 07:44 PM

3. Many hospitals try to make healthier options in their cafeterias

I have never been as seriously affected by what someone eats as I have been the FUMES of a smoker.
They do not have the right to pollute the air I breathe. if you are eating french fries and a cheese burger, it does not make it's way to my lungs, your second-hand smoke does.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 07:46 PM

4. Fast food is fine in moderation (nt)

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 07:47 PM

5. a more relevant example would be peanuts

which some schools already ban, or at least confine to certain areas.

PART of the argument for banning smoking relates to the health of the direct consumer, but quite a lot of the argument relates to the health of indirect consumers. one person smokes, but someone who didn't sign up for it coughs, sneezes, gets a migraine, needs dry cleaning, etc. in the case of hospitals, it's also about the example it sets for others, so it's partly a matter of p.r. there.

most foods, such as mcnuggets or frankenfood, only affect the direct consumer, who exercised free choice, so the argument isn't nearly as compelling. except in the case of allergens, such as peanuts, where indirect exposure could cause a severe or even fatal reaction.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 07:52 PM

7. I agree in principle

 

However childhood asthma causes more missed days of public school than any communicable disease and certainly more than child hood obesity. In schools there is also a positive example to be set by non smokers.

There is a cut in employee health insurance costs to an employer if that business is smoke free, and probably in fire insurance as well.
For hospitals it is truly bizarre to see patients towing their IVs and hospital staff standing outside smoking. It is terrible PR.

Cigarette smoke dirties walls and ceilings and gums up air filter systems in hospitals, labs and other institutions that have high quality air purification. That gets expensive.

And there is the bottom line smoking stinks and we non smokers resent the hell out of being forced to smell and breath it. Fat people generally not so offensive.

That said, as a healthcare worker. obesity is a huge health problem, and a very expensive one.
Have a eating problem. Here's how to get over it.
Try working in a hospital and having to deal with a freshly cut of leg that is so infected that it has to be removed and then of course the tissue is further tested for invectives organisms and other diabetic ulcer problems.


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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 07:57 PM

8. I am a fervent hater of passive smoking myself -

even in a parking lot, I can tell if I'm passing through a trail left by a smoker! I was thinking more of institutions ostensibly banning smoking for the health of the individual smoker and/or education of the general public!

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 08:06 PM

9. smoking provides NO nutritional value - smoke ban/food ban not equivalent nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 08:13 PM

10. Neither does half the food I eat

I eat it for the same reason I smoke: Because I enjoy it.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 09:45 PM

11. There is no such thing second-hand eating.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 09:48 PM

12. there is such a thing of second hand paying out the dollars

for people with health problems due to the food.

And that in turn affects my health, cause I'm spending more money to keep them healthy instead of myself.

not that I really believe any of that shit, but if we're gonna be smoking nannies, why not foodie nannies too.

Or alcohol nannies, or nannies of any old little thing that bad for one's health.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 09:52 PM

13. Again, many hospitals view public health education as part of

their mission. Suppose you were a diabetic visiting someone at your local hospital. Would you be able to easily purchase a proper meal?

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Response to boston bean (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 09:54 PM

14. because there's a difference from regulating WHERE people can smoke

and telling them they can't do it at all.

Are you suggesting that only "smoking nannies" want to regulate smoking at gas stations, or inside hospital ICUs, or in preschools, for instance?

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 09:57 PM

16. smoking has never been allowed at gas stations.

it hasn't been allowed in ICU's or preschools in DECADES (if ever).

There are people who want a complete prohibition on it.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 10:06 PM

18. and if someone is advocating "complete prohibition" as opposed to

regulations on WHERE folks can light up, you can rest assured I will weigh in against "complete prohibition".

Which should not be confused with regulations on where people can smoke.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 11:34 PM

22. Alcohol nannies came into fashion decades ago

Do you ever see people drinking in the office anymore like they do on Mad Men? Drinking in the workplace is pretty much frowned upon and has been for decades (except occasionally at the office Christmas party). Now smoking in the workplace (or outside of it) is starting to become frowned upon as well.

I imagine food will come about soon enough.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 11:37 PM

23. So...how about smoking outside? They are banning that too - but not car emissions in those same

parking lots. Even banning people from smoking in their own cars on the lots.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 09:56 PM

15. You really can't figure out why you're not allowed to smoke inside a hospital?

The denial runs deep, young Jedi.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 10:10 PM

20. Smoking really has no place on hospital grounds

By anyone.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #20)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 10:49 PM

21. I agree with that on a general basis

(although some would suggest that forcing a patient into a cold turkey situation is not a good idea, especially for those with mental health issues).

The real point of the post was to question why so many hospitals, schools and colleges have fast food outlets on campus and/or rely heavily on over-salted, highly sugared processed foods.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 03:37 PM

24. Some hospitals have gotten away from that

The issue with schools and colleges is because of budget. Fast food places pay them rent and give them a cut, and Aramark is cheaper than real food.

I agree with you!

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 04:18 PM

27. I'm gonna disagree with you...

sorta..

I'm a former smoker and I agree that you shouldn't stand in front of a hospital smoking. That being said, I should be able to get in my car and smoke a cigarette without being harassed.

I don't think the hospital should be able to tell me I can't smoke in my car. In front of their hospital, or even outside my car in the parking lot--fine. But once I'm in my car it's another story..at least in my opinion.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 04:07 PM

25. nope. if i eat fast food, it doesn't impact your health.

no such thing as "second hand obesity" sorry.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 04:11 PM

26. Sure, let's work on that...But smoking must be banned and a lot...

of people worked on getting the smoking ban for a long time. Be grateful it is there now.



Tikki

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