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Enrique

(27,461 posts)
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:54 AM Dec 2012

Change we can believe in, live on C-span 2

gone are the bad old days when FISA was controversial, now it sails through with barely anyone caring.

Before the summer of 2008, FISA was an issue that captivated DU. But the second it became undeniable that Barack Obama supported it, DU lost all interest.

Now THAT is power. Not the power of the presidency, because he wasn't president, but the power of personality.

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Change we can believe in, live on C-span 2 (Original Post) Enrique Dec 2012 OP
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #1
Rec'd Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #2
Yup, Obama won in 2008 ProSense Dec 2012 #3
better than Dianne Feinstiein's smile Enrique Dec 2012 #5
Back in 2007 JReed Dec 2012 #4
final passage 73-23 Enrique Dec 2012 #6
The PATRIOT ACT is one of my pet peeves Savannahmann Dec 2012 #7
One nation, under surveillance. No matter who is president. forestpath Dec 2012 #8

Response to Enrique (Original post)

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
2. Rec'd
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:06 AM
Dec 2012

Even here as a means of measuring, the recs will be lower when it is called into question our blind allegiance to our party even in the face of action or inaction by our elected representatives and presidents that are contrary to our values and principles.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
3. Yup, Obama won in 2008
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:09 AM
Dec 2012
Before the summer of 2008, FISA was an issue that captivated DU. But the second it became undeniable that Barack Obama supported it, DU lost all interest.

Now THAT is power. Not the power of the presidency, because he wasn't president, but the power of personality.

...because he had a nice smile.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
5. better than Dianne Feinstiein's smile
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:18 AM
Dec 2012

if it weren't for Obama, DU would be kicking Feinstein all over the place right now. But since she is working arm in arm with Obama, we can't.

 

JReed

(149 posts)
4. Back in 2007
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:16 AM
Dec 2012

In October 2007, Obama spokesman Bill Burton issued this unequivocal statement to the blog TPM Election Central: "To be clear: Barack will support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies."

I guess things changed.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
7. The PATRIOT ACT is one of my pet peeves
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:39 PM
Dec 2012

I hated it under Bush, I still hate it. It is an abomination of a law. I liked when we opposed it, I liked when President Obama said he would end it. I was disappointed when he didn't. The bad part is, he alone had the power to end it. Yes, the Congress had voted to reauthorize the act. They sent it to OUR President, and he signed it. He could have stamped the damn thing Veto, and sent it back with a copy of the Bill of Rights with a note scribbled in the margin. "Hey guys, read the 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments will you?"

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