Should the names and address' of police officers, judges, corrections officers, etc be public record

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and allowed to be published?

[Jenoch]

1. Of course not.

And neither should the names of registered gun owners or permit holders.

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4. Thank you.

[RomneyLies]

2. In some states they are.

In fact, all names and addresses of property owners are a matter of public record in EVERY state.

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3. So are the names of firearms owners...

but, those property records don't disclose that the person owns firearms or if they have a license, nor do they disclose if the home owner is a police officer, judge, corrections officer, etc.

[RomneyLies]

5. When gun registration is a matter of public record, I find your complaints ridiculous

Gun ownership has consequences.

IMO, this just demonstrates how cowardly some gun owners truly are.

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8. One of those consequnces being...

more guns out on the streets and in the hands of criminals if thieves were to use those records as a shopping list and break into those homes.

Do you really want more guns on the street and in the hands of criminals?

[RomneyLies]

9. It reveals to the public at large which are the most dangerous homes in their neighborhood

I, for one, applaud such actions. Parents will know which homes their children should never EVER go to regardless of whther or not they are friends with the children living in such a dangerous home.

Far more likely to save a child's life than for a thief to use the list for a "shopping list". The very idea that this is what will come of it is the height of paranoia and demonstrates the person displaying such paranoia might possibly be unfit to own a gun, IMO.

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13. Now look who's paranoid...

and lives in a world of fear.

And people have the nerve to call gun owners crazy.

[RomneyLies]

23. I live in a world of fact.

It is a fact that children are more likely to die from gunshot wounds in homes where guns are present. Knowing that a home has guns is one way to keep your children out of that home and thus less likely to die from a gunshot wound.

So deal with it. I hope this goes viral and every last gun owner in America is outed this way.

[Coyote_Tan]

38. Do you keep your kids away from homes with...

... pets, stairs, pools, cleaning supplies, knives, cars, other adults, other children or any of the 1000 other ways someone can die?

[PeaceNikki]

25. There is a HUGE difference between gun owner and gun NUT.

If you refuse to discuss regulation, you're probably a nut.
If you refuse to discuss registration, you're probably a nut.
If you say we should ban knives, cars, pools, dogs, forks, etc because they 'kill more people' than guns, you're probably a nut.
If you think this OP is a fair equivalent, you're probably a nut.

[slackmaster]

14. Car registration is a matter of public record, but here in California the DMV can't release peoples'

...home addresses.

In 1989 Rebecca Shaeffer was murdered by a stalker who got her address from the California DMV.

Maybe it's time for states to make it a little harder for personal information about citizens to be released wholesale to anyone.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Schaeffer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver%27s_Privacy_Protection_Act

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17. Laws vary.

Up until 20-25 years ago, a resident of MA could go to the DMV and look up the plate number and registration info of any vehicle.

There wasn't even a clerk or present. The records/info were kept in volumes of bound old 80 column dot-matrix paper. Anyone could look up names, address' with no questions asked.

Nowadays, even a police officer can't run plate numbers without justification (take that for what it's worth).

Every inquiry is recorded and any cop found to be abusing the system could face disciplinary action.

[slackmaster]

19. Those facts pretty well torpedo the simplistic assertion by some that "public means public"

[spin]

29. Which is why Florida does not allow gun registration.

790.335?Prohibition of registration of firearms; electronic records.—

(1)?LEGISLATIVE FINDINGS AND INTENT.—
(a)?The Legislature finds and declares that:
1.?The right of individuals to keep and bear arms is guaranteed under both the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and s. 8, Art. I of the State Constitution.
2.?A list, record, or registry of legally owned firearms or law-abiding firearm owners is not a law enforcement tool and can become an instrument for profiling, harassing, or abusing law-abiding citizens based on their choice to own a firearm and exercise their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed under the United States Constitution. Further, such a list, record, or registry has the potential to fall into the wrong hands and become a shopping list for thieves.
3.?A list, record, or registry of legally owned firearms or law-abiding firearm owners is not a tool for fighting terrorism, but rather is an instrument that can be used as a means to profile innocent citizens and to harass and abuse American citizens based solely on their choice to own firearms and exercise their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed under the United States Constitution.
4.?Law-abiding firearm owners whose names have been illegally recorded in a list, record, or registry are entitled to redress.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?app_mode=display_statute&url=0700-0799/0790/0790.html

The above sums up my views on gun registration and if you wish to call me a coward because I hold these views then I will take no offense. Nor will I bother to insult you in return.

[RomneyLies]

30. Yet another reason to stay away from that fucked up state n/t

[spin]

36. You have a right to visit Florida or to avoid it.

You also have the right to call Florida a "fucked up state." There are a lot of "fucked up states" in our nation. Fortunately we have a choice where we chose to live. Florida is far from perfect but in my opinion it is far better place to live in than northern Ohio smack dab in the middle of the snow belt. I grew up there.

Your decision and your insult doesn't bother me in the least.

It's a beautiful sunny day here in north Florida but it is slightly chilly at 68 degrees. I might decide to put on a light jacket if I go somewhere which is somewhat unusual.

[LooseWilly]

6. I'm pretty sure their names are all Public Record, as Public Employees... and their salaries as well

... their addresses, however, are Not Public Record. -Well, unless they have to register firearms, I guess...

Should they be? Sure... as public employees there should be open accountability of who taxpayers are employing.

If, on the other hand, you want to make their info Private- you damn sure better do the same for teachers, transportation workers, garbage men, park workers, social workers, etc.

[djg21]

41. I disagree.

Public employment and salary are public record. Home addresses and contact information generally are not and should not be, especially for law enforcement, judicial employees, corrections staff, and others involved in criminal justice. Those persons, and their families, can quickly become targets for harassment or worse if their addresses are disclosed.

[CreekDog]

7. welcome back. you haven't really posted in here since Trayvon Martin

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11. I haven't?

Number of posts, last 90 days: 290
Favorite forum: General Discussion, 164 posts in the last 90 days (57% of total posts)
Favorite group: Gun Control & RKBA, 58 posts in the last 90 days (20% of total posts)
Last post: Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:54 PM

[CreekDog]

33. i'm welcoming you to the rest of DU --outside the Gun group

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

40. Did you read what he posted? 80% of his recent posts are outside the Gungeon.

Don't be so willfully ignorant.

[CreekDog]

43. you mean since December 14th?

my point exactly.

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20. No he didn't...

you need to pay closer attention to these things.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021856648#post29

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021856648#post96

[RomneyLies]

24. +1,000,000,000,000 n/t

[CreekDog]

34. here's the fake Trayvon Martin picture you posted in GD --came from Stormfront

i never said you didn't post in GD, just that it's rare, generally only related to guns --or if it's not --to post from the right to oppose or cause concern for any major issue the Democrats are supporting.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002471753

[LanternWaste]

39. Bless your little heart

Bless your little heart. It's adorable how you simply are unable to see how desperately absurd you appear in this thread.

[Hoyt]

10. No. I assume you are trying to equate gun cultists to police, judges, etc. They aren't though.

I also don't support printing names of assault weapons owners, public toters, etc., rigth NOW.

However, I would not be opposed to setting a date in the future to allow those anti-societal gun owners (owners of assault type weapons, public toters, etc.) to get rid of such weapons before names are printed, available on-line, etc.

[Buns_of_Fire]

35. That's not a bad idea (and a reasonable starting point for discussion, too). nt

[Historic NY]

12. They are and one has to get it blocked....

you can also get pension records and salaries too.

[PeaceNikki]

18. I thought the gun nuts would LOOOVE this idea*. Won't that deter 'bad dudes' from taking YOUR shit?

*By "this idea" I am clearly referring to the one your OP is mocking.

[spin]

31. I'm not always home. ...

I do store my firearms in a safe but a locksmith once told me that a knowledgeable thief can defeat any gun safe made given a reasonable amount of time.

[Capt. Obvious]

21. Yes

Next shit stirring thread

[Ikonoklast]

26. Do you have a problem with open public records?

Or do you want government to retain the right to operate in total secrecy based on whatever reason they can cook up?

I can look online to see the name and salary of every person employed by my city and county.

Address searches after that are just as simple, they are all part of the public record.

If someone wants to post that information, what does it really matter if it is all readily available and in the public already?

[elleng]

27. Names, yes, home addresses, no.

And what's 'etc?'

[Whovian]

28. Yes. Unless they are ashamed of their records or behaviour.

[madinmaryland]

32. Judges are definitely a matter of public record here in Maryland.

I believe Police Offices may be public record. Don't know about corrections officers. Teachers and administration are of public record. Just look at any ps web site and you will most of the teachers and staff listed.

[Floyd_Gondolli]

37. I thought gun nuts were proud of their home armories?

I'm not seeing the problem here.

[musiclawyer]

42. To answer the question , no, but....

It doesn't matter. If you want the address of anyone and you know how to use the software you can look up anyone's home address the in tax collectors office by name. Its a backdoor way of getting past specific public records privacy exemptions. The tax roll itself is a public document unadulterated in most states. That's why some judges put their residence ownership in a trust

If I was a cop I would do the same.