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Mon Jan 23, 2012, 11:11 AM

Were the non-slave States complicit in Slavery

since they enjoyed the benefits of cheap agricultural goods from slavery?
And if so, aren't we complicit in the conditions at Third World factories because we benefit from cheaper goods they give us?

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Reply Were the non-slave States complicit in Slavery (Original post)
edhopper Jan 2012 OP
glowing Jan 2012 #1
edhopper Jan 2012 #2
WCGreen Jan 2012 #3
YankeyMCC Jan 2012 #4
WCGreen Jan 2012 #9
Ecumenist Jan 2012 #7
Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #5
Ecumenist Jan 2012 #6
liberal_biker Jan 2012 #8
Johonny Jan 2012 #10
msongs Jan 2012 #11
MGKrebs Jan 2012 #12
edhopper Jan 2012 #13

Response to edhopper (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 11:13 AM

1. I believe you mean "were" not "Where"...

 

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Response to glowing (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 11:23 AM

2. OOPS!

fixed

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 11:24 AM

3. Just reading about the people in Mass who ran the textile mills...

They were against expanding slavery but were pretty sure it was a good thing as long as it stayed contained...

It's from the Pulitzer Prize winning book The Metaphysical Club. A Story of Ideas In America by Louis Menand

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Response to WCGreen (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 11:27 AM

4. Fantastic book!

I read that many years ago...really opened up a lot for me to think about.

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Response to YankeyMCC (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 11:49 AM

9. Just picked it up after buying it when Borders went south....

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Response to WCGreen (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 11:32 AM

7. My guess is that they didn't want the competition of slave workers. Not altogether

altruistic.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 11:29 AM

5. yes and yes (but to a lesser degree)

 


Since we have no direct influence over the laws of other countries we hold less responsibility than when slavery existed within our own nation.


I think that free trade should be abandoned and import taxes imposed which reflect the way workers in the exporting country are treated and the country's environmental laws.


I'm not saying this won't do some damage to poorer nations but economic influence is all we have so we should use it. It will also help to make domestic manufacturing more competitive.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 11:30 AM

6. Oh yeah...Remember that at one time, Slavery was in every state.

Slavecatchers were often facilitated by the law in certain states. Yes, sir they were. That's why many sleaves made Canada their destination upon escape.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 11:38 AM

8. Complicit?

 

I think that's a bit of a stretch.

No, the US is not complicit in conditions in third world factories either. Just because the standards outside the US do not meet US standards doesn't mean we have word one to say about it.

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Response to liberal_biker (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 12:03 PM

10. IDK

An individual is complicit in a crime if he/she is aware of its occurrence and has the ability to report the crime, but fails to do so. As such, the individual effectively allows criminals to carry out a crime despite possibly being able to stop them, either directly or by contacting the authorities, thus making the individual a de-facto accessory to the crime rather than an innocent bystander.

At the DU we know about conditions in our third world factories. Is there anyone to really report them too? The US government who surely can't prevent the conditions in another country but can prevent those goods from entering the US legally. We complain about the working conditions in other countries, but we buy our IPADs anyways. Yeah we are complicit.

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Response to Johonny (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 12:41 PM

11. were Africans in Africa who sold their brothers into slavery also complicit? exactly where

does the complicity begin and end?

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 12:48 PM

12. That's a philosophical question, and the technical answer may be "yes", but

what to do about it? What is the best way to improve working conditions in those places? Embargo imports? Punitive sanctions?
Those don't seem to work very well. In the real world, perhaps trading more with them gets our economies integrated more, giving workers more opportunity. Of course, the price we pay is that it lowers our own standard of living, but that is inevitable.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 02:53 PM

13. We buy this stuff and our corporation

only look at the bottom line. I know this is idealistic, but what if people said they won't buy products made in factories where conditions are little better than slavery, like many in China. What if corporations like Apple or IBM or HP said we will not have our products made in factories with these conditions.
It is said for evil to prevail, good people simple need to do nothing.


The "Free Market" seems to mean less and less freedom for most.

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