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aaaaaa5a

(4,667 posts)
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:30 PM Dec 2012

Student from Keystone state scores perfect SAT score

Last edited Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:33 PM - Edit history (1)

WE'VE ALL read depressing newspaper stories about underachieving local high school students. This, I'm happy to say, isn't that kind of column.

No, I've set aside this space to give a well-deserved thumbs-up to Cameron Clarke, a senior at Germantown Academy who scored a perfect 2400 on the SAT.

That's right. A perfect score.

That hardly ever happens.

Although more than 1.66 million students took the SAT in 2012, only 360 test takers nationwide achieved a spotless 2400, according to SAT officials.

"I put in a lot of work," 18-year-old Cameron told me when I visited his house in Mount Airy. "I took a prep class with some of my friends, and I did a lot of practice tests from a book.

"But that only prepares you so much," he explained. "The difference between getting, like, a 2400 and a couple of points lower is just focus.


Cameron has been a student at Germantown Academy since preschool, and his parents had an inkling early on that their son was gifted. On an IQ test at age 4, he scored a 151, which is way, way up there.


His mother, Mary Jones, teaches Spanish at Father Judge High School. His dad, Peter Clarke, owns the Reef Restaurant and Lounge at Third and South streets.

http://articles.philly.com/2012-12-18/news/35871335_1_student-government-cross-country-perfect-sat-score



Cameron Clarke is one of just 360 people out of 1.66 million test takers to post a perfect SAT score in 2012

I had a request that this be posted in the GD forum.


EDIT: Title of OP was changed because it was worded poorly, and I didn't want the OP heading to take away from what is a great story.

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Student from Keystone state scores perfect SAT score (Original Post) aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 OP
Calculus, chemistry, Sun Tzu, physics... and Dracula Scootaloo Dec 2012 #1
And Vonnegut! graywarrior Dec 2012 #2
Now I know what happened to the duck Bandit Dec 2012 #12
He was tasty. graywarrior Dec 2012 #14
+1 n/t FSogol Dec 2012 #77
The Future Obama Yavin4 Dec 2012 #3
LOL Blanks Dec 2012 #62
Yep, and he had to cheat, people of color can't do this. Trump surely RKP5637 Dec 2012 #80
Bright kid dipsydoodle Dec 2012 #4
Wow. ananda Dec 2012 #5
Fantastic! goclark Dec 2012 #65
thats awesome kydo Dec 2012 #6
Looks like Eugene Byrd from "Bones" et al Doctor_J Dec 2012 #7
I scored 2400 too, what's the big deal? NightWatcher Dec 2012 #8
Lol. OK, then, here's one. ananda Dec 2012 #10
Oh Yeah....I took it and scored 2401. Ha! BlueJazz Dec 2012 #25
ROFL alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #32
I know three people who got perfect SAT scores slackmaster Dec 2012 #9
I know one -- he actually runs a lab and is a rocket scientist! Nay Dec 2012 #37
No rocket scientist reference is allowed to go by without Mitchell and Webb... SidDithers Dec 2012 #78
Why did you put his race in the headline? Brickbat Dec 2012 #11
Because given the state of educational achievement in the black community and racial stereotyping aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #18
The young man should be commended exboyfil Dec 2012 #26
Agreed. That is a big part of my point. aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #59
This is a lucky young man FrodosPet Dec 2012 #41
Excellent post. I agree 100%! That is why race is a factor in the story. aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #60
I'm glad you pointed that out. Blanks Dec 2012 #63
Obama was the first black president CreekDog Dec 2012 #20
"First" makes it historic, and worth mentioning. Brickbat Dec 2012 #23
Have you read this book...? goclark Dec 2012 #69
Awesome! nt ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #13
This guy is going places. AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #15
ACORN cooked the numbers!!!!! JoePhilly Dec 2012 #16
Wonder if he'll move in with Sheldon and Leonard tavernier Dec 2012 #17
There was a guy like that in a high school I attended for 2 years DFW Dec 2012 #19
I swear I have never seen a headline "White teen achieves perfect SAT score" TheProgressive Dec 2012 #21
Please see my response to this above. nt aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #34
I think that your reasons still smells a bit... TheProgressive Dec 2012 #42
Agreed. I'm just trying to convey information as best as I can. aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #55
Upon reflection, I changed the OP title. nt aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #58
We all have opinions and ways to say things... TheProgressive Dec 2012 #61
Aww, feeling marginalized? (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #67
Stinky socks RandiFan1290 Dec 2012 #68
The SAT isn't an indicator of genius or much else other duffyduff Dec 2012 #22
True, but it is not an easy test in any case. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #24
Many would argue that it is not a good measure exboyfil Dec 2012 #29
More chances of scholarships from the violin and the volunteering efforts. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #74
Nope exboyfil Dec 2012 #79
True to an extent. But, having administered many back in the day, I can assure you that those WinkyDink Dec 2012 #73
I'm so old. I remember when the top SAT score was 1600. Yavin4 Dec 2012 #27
That was back when we had nine planets. n/t cloudbase Dec 2012 #46
I did pretty badly, too. kentauros Dec 2012 #82
There's a Way To Take Standardized Tests Yavin4 Dec 2012 #83
The title of this OP weirds me out. Should we be surprised because he's black? Maven Dec 2012 #28
Yes.. I agree kind of.. Texasgal Dec 2012 #31
No we should be proud n/t Glitterati Dec 2012 #33
My first reaction was "Was he the first black person to ever do that?" slackmaster Dec 2012 #35
title was edited so I''ll withdraw my comment about it eShirl Dec 2012 #54
I'm African American and I am PROUD goclark Dec 2012 #72
BILL OREILLY almost perfect score?? ErikJ Dec 2012 #30
Perfect, young man. I commend you! n/t Paper Roses Dec 2012 #36
brilliant kid etherealtruth Dec 2012 #38
Intelligent young people are a gift to humanity FrodosPet Dec 2012 #39
Why are you identifying that he's black? Tab Dec 2012 #40
Probably because it goes against the stereotype that some still believe.... Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #48
That was the point exactly. aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #75
Congratulations, Cameron! You did it! You can be whoever and whatever you want to be judesedit Dec 2012 #43
Thank you for sharing ecstatic Dec 2012 #44
Where the h*ll did he get that shirt? BillyJack Dec 2012 #45
What an amazing feat. His future is locked in. The world is his. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #47
Hopefully elite colleges will be lining up to give him money bluestateguy Dec 2012 #49
I hope I live long enough to see a headline like this read simply..... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #50
Agreed. This is what we are all striving for. But unfortunately we are not there yet. nt aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #76
Smart kid. But I don't think his race is relevant. MineralMan Dec 2012 #51
I see a bright future for that young man. All the best to him! freshwest Dec 2012 #52
Urkel.... n/t Mr Peabody Dec 2012 #53
Nerds Rule, look at Nate Silver, the Facebook guy, even the President JI7 Dec 2012 #70
agreed! Mr Peabody Dec 2012 #81
way to go Cameron spanone Dec 2012 #56
so much potential in this kid eShirl Dec 2012 #57
FYI, Mt. Airy, Germantown = Philly. Barack_America Dec 2012 #64
I was born in Germantown goclark Dec 2012 #66
Yay for Cameron! WinkyDink Dec 2012 #71
K&R closeupready Dec 2012 #84

RKP5637

(67,089 posts)
80. Yep, and he had to cheat, people of color can't do this. Trump surely
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:30 AM
Dec 2012

wants all of his grades too.

ananda

(28,837 posts)
5. Wow.
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:39 PM
Dec 2012

I was never that motivated. I have niece and a second cousin who are like that, though.. national merit finalists, into languages, interested in studying world cultures and movements. My niece just applied for a Fulbright to do research in Cairo for a study on Arabic poetry and the way it influenced the Revolution. She is fluent in Arabic and Spanish which just impresses the hell out of me since I'm virtually monolingual since I never really used the Spanish I learned.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
6. thats awesome
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:40 PM
Dec 2012

it because of people like him that I am hopeful for the future. Thats one smart dude.

Thanks for sharing that!

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
8. I scored 2400 too, what's the big deal?
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:41 PM
Dec 2012












The first time I took it I got a 1000 my freshmen year, then as a junior I scored 1400. Nobody threw me a parade.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
9. I know three people who got perfect SAT scores
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:43 PM
Dec 2012

One is an astronaut, one is a staff scientist at a high-energy physics lab, and one is a principle partner in a law firm.

aaaaaa5a

(4,667 posts)
18. Because given the state of educational achievement in the black community and racial stereotyping
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:17 PM
Dec 2012

I thought race was relevant to the discussion.


We all know about African Americans obtaining less high school and college degrees than their white counterparts. The affirmative action debate at Colleges and Universities is also an ongoing issue. And of course there remains a constant belief in some sections of society that intelligence is genetically tied to race.


This story proves that especially the last comment can't be true. Clearly based purely on numbers, this student's test taking ability far exceeds the overwhelming majority of his asian and white counterparts (in fact darn there 100% of them). Therefore something beyond just genetics must be a factor in determining test scores. Or else his numbers would be genetically impossible for him to achieve given the stereotype of his ethnic background.


This example shows that social structure and not genetics are the biggest factor with regard to intelligence test scores. More work is needed especially in black communities so that all students can reach their full potential.


This is the same thought process where generations ago, some believed boys always scored higher than girls in math and science due to differences in how boys processed information. Yet today, girls and boys score just about equally well in math and science. The issue was the social structure the boys and girls from generations ago were living in. It wasn't due to a natural genetic advantage among boys to determine that 1+1 equals 2 when compared to their female counterparts.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
26. The young man should be commended
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:53 PM
Dec 2012

for his achievement and work ethic, but he did start from a strong base (mother a teacher and father a business owner), genius level IQ, and he attended a $30K/yr. High School. Some kids with similar backgrounds are not accepted in Stanford, Princeton, etc. (posted on that in another thread).

The young man will get a full ride to his college of choice as he should, but I guess I am more interested in the kids with not quite the IQ and/or parents who do not have a college education. but still work very hard. Far more of them, and they are underrepresented at our fine state schools in disciplines like engineering. It would be good to see stories about them as well.

I wish Mr. Clarke the best. I suspect we will be seeing his name someday tied to some amazing achievement in his profession.

aaaaaa5a

(4,667 posts)
59. Agreed. That is a big part of my point.
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:36 PM
Dec 2012

Social setting is a big factor when it comes to success on things like SAT scores.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
41. This is a lucky young man
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:43 PM
Dec 2012

Having grown up and lived in a predominately African American community, I have seen first hand how intelligent young people are hit from all sides. They have to face a racist power structure that opposes them and leaves their schools broke and inadequate. And then they have to face the "crabs in a bucket" syndrome of their family and peers pulling them down and telling them that they are sellouts, they aren't black enough, that they will NEVER be able to succeed outside of entertainment, sports, or crime.

Like I said, it is a sad shame that this is newsworthy, but if it helps inspire other young people of color to bust out of the bucket, I hope it get legs.

aaaaaa5a

(4,667 posts)
60. Excellent post. I agree 100%! That is why race is a factor in the story.
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:40 PM
Dec 2012

And the story is newsworthy.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
63. I'm glad you pointed that out.
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:48 PM
Dec 2012

I lived in Shreveport in a poor neighborhood for a couple of years and one day the school called us to tell us that our son was missing. We went to the school and everyone was more concerned about the middle school children standing quietly in line for lunch than anything else.

It turns out that my son was at school (in school suspension which we didn't know about) and the administration was rude to us when it turned out to be their mistake.

My wife and I are not black; we lived in a predominantly African American neighborhood and the neighbor kids were plenty intelligent to learn anything, but that isn't what was going on at school. The teachers weren't really focused on teaching and the parents really weren't educated enough to make certain that it was happening.

I really wish more was being done to give these poor inner city kids a chance to 'get interested' in things outside of their current domain. I wish we could get more middle and high school teachers from backgrounds outside of the education industry with real world experience.

I used to give presentations to middle schoolers when I worked at the highway department and regardless of where the school was; they seemed interested.

I just think that we need to expose children to more occupations when they are in school. For some kids; the only professional that they ever come into contact with is the teacher.

We have a lot of African American children in this country with huge potential that is going to waste because we don't take care of them and their parents. Again, I wish more was being done to provide them with the necessary resources.

I feel a bit like, when we show an example like this talented young man, the other kids who can't do the same; it looks like they are just lazy. I don't think that's fair.

goclark

(30,404 posts)
69. Have you read this book...?
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:24 AM
Dec 2012

"The Six Black PresidentS --Black Blood: White Masks"

Really interesting book, think I got it from Amazon.

tavernier

(12,370 posts)
17. Wonder if he'll move in with Sheldon and Leonard
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:05 PM
Dec 2012

and sleep with Penny?

*I really have to stop watching those reruns over and over*

DFW

(54,302 posts)
19. There was a guy like that in a high school I attended for 2 years
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:29 PM
Dec 2012

Other kids were following him around like he was a rock star. He wasn't an entertainer, just brilliant, and everyone knew it. He ended up being the number 2 guy at the Federal Reserve at one point. Our paths crossed again very briefly in South Carolina about 12 years ago. His name was Roger Ferguson. I have no idea what he's doing now--probably pulling in a billion a year at some investment bank, or something like that.

 

TheProgressive

(1,656 posts)
42. I think that your reasons still smells a bit...
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:50 PM
Dec 2012

I am not trying to bust your chops - I just think there may be a more
eloquent way to say how awesome this kid is...

 

TheProgressive

(1,656 posts)
61. We all have opinions and ways to say things...
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:51 PM
Dec 2012

Like I said, not trying to give you a hard time although I thank you for your reconsidering
your Op title. And it isn't like I have a right to judge 'eloquent-ness' - it is just my opinion which
we are allowed to voice on this forum...right, wrong, or indifferent.

Anyway, cool of you A's to do this.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
22. The SAT isn't an indicator of genius or much else other
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:36 PM
Dec 2012

than the student has been well-prepared for college.

College preparation is ALL the SAT measures.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
29. Many would argue that it is not a good measure
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:00 PM
Dec 2012

of college preparedness either. With the SAT (and the ACT) what you will find is those with a high IQ that also work hard blow the test away like this young man (my brother-in-law is like that). Then you have those students who work very hard, but don't have as high an IQ (like my daughters) who consistently outperform expectations at school. Those kids score around a 30 on the ACT. You also have the lazy smart kids who score about a 30 on the ACT as well, but could probably get into the 33 range with some effort.

I do resent the time my daughter will have to take to prep for the ACT in hopes of getting scholarships. I would rather she spend that time doing more Broadcast Journalism stories or practicing her violin or doing volunteer work.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
79. Nope
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:26 AM
Dec 2012

One scholarship in particular is automatic with a 30 on the ACT (Old Gold from University of Iowa - $2,500/yr for 4 years) and 3.8 GPA (the GPA is not an issue). That represents more than 25% of the total tuition. My daughter got a 27 at the end of Sophomore year - high enough for entry into engineering school but not high enough for serious scholarship consideration even though she has the rest of the package.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
73. True to an extent. But, having administered many back in the day, I can assure you that those
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:44 AM
Dec 2012

who had extremely high scores also went to extremely good universities and ended up with extremely successful careers.

Yavin4

(35,423 posts)
27. I'm so old. I remember when the top SAT score was 1600.
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:57 PM
Dec 2012

When did they go up to 2400?

BTW, I did awful, God awful, on my SATs. Yet, I did well in the classroom, got into college anyway, and graduated in 4 years. Later on in life, I went to graduate business school, and finished. Even later, I started studying web application development, and I just finished a class on ASP MVC.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
82. I did pretty badly, too.
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 12:28 PM
Dec 2012

I daresay that I'd probably score much higher in the verbal section today than I could back then. I had friends that scored higher than 1400, yet I never could break 1000.

The year after I graduated, the school began teaching classes that only prepped kids for taking the SAT. I always thought that defeated the underlying purpose, that is, to test one of what they'd learned in school up to that point, and if that was good enough to get into college/university. Average scores went up by the hundreds of points. That probably appeased administrators and politicians, but it didn't really teach anything.

Yavin4

(35,423 posts)
83. There's a Way To Take Standardized Tests
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 03:18 PM
Dec 2012

My problem was that I didn't prepare well for the test. There's a methodology for taking the test. For example, you should know the instructions for each section by heart before taking the exam. This frees up time to answer questions.

Also, if you lose points for getting answers wrong, then you should not answer the last four questions of a section. Focus your attention on the other questions and make sure that you get most of them correct.

Use POE to eliminate obviously wrong answers. This way, if you have to guess, then your odds of guessing correctly improve.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
28. The title of this OP weirds me out. Should we be surprised because he's black?
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:00 PM
Dec 2012

Seems sort of condescendingly racist.

Texasgal

(17,041 posts)
31. Yes.. I agree kind of..
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:02 PM
Dec 2012

I mean should this young man be commended on his achievement instead of his skin color?

I'm on the fence... but I think I agree with you.

goclark

(30,404 posts)
72. I'm African American and I am PROUD
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:43 AM
Dec 2012

to see this young man featured.

In no way is it "condescendingly racist."
For other students, of all races, coming from rich or poor neighborhoods, it is a huge inspiration.

I am also a former school Principal and a Consultant for the Gifted in a large school district. Those students were from all races and economic levels.

All parents, of all races, should be equally inspired.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
30. BILL OREILLY almost perfect score??
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:01 PM
Dec 2012

And Oreilly doesnt even understand the tides are caused by the Moon instead of God? There mustve been a mistake.

Remember that these scores are only from the Math and Verbal sections of the old SAT, for a possible total of 1600.

The Highest Scores

The top famous scorers? No surprise here. Microsoft co-founders Bill Gates and Paul Allen earned scores of 1590 and 1600, respectively. The average SAT score has increased in the last few years, making these scores even more impressive.

Also in the top are famous political commentator Bill O’Reilly, with an SAT score of 1585, and political speechwriter Ben Stein, who scored a 1573. You might remember Stein from his game show Win Ben Stein’s Money and his famous comedic acting in the 1980s classic Ferris Bueller’s Day Off, in which he played a boring but brainy professor. His famous high SAT score shows he has the smarts for the part!

The Middle Ground

Famous horror author Stephen King and television host Meredith Vieira, of Who Wants to Be a Millionaire and The Today Show, both scored in the 1300s on their SATs. In the same range is vice-president Al Gore, who got a score of 1355.

Gore’s opponent in the 2000 election, President George W. Bush, famously scored a 1206 on his SATs. His challenger in 2004, Senator John Kerry, scored a bit lower, earning a 1190. Bush and Kerry submitted these scores to the school they both attended: Yale University.

The Lower Scores

Kobe Bryant, famous for his starring role on the Los Angeles Lakers basketball team, scored a 1080 on his SATs. Comedian Janeane Garofalo, who has also starred in films like The Cable Guy and Mystery Men, got a 950. Her score hasn’t affected her success: You can hear her voice in the recent animated movie Ratatouille.

The famous celebrities with the lowest SAT scores? Radio shock jock Howard Stern got a 870 on his SAT, placing him in the bottom. But the celebrity with the famously low score is Bill Cosby, who received less than a 500 on the test. Cosby received acceptance to Temple University on a track scholarship, and later rose to become one of the school’s most famous alumni.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
39. Intelligent young people are a gift to humanity
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:27 PM
Dec 2012

Kudos to him and all the young people who study hard and succeed. May they have fulfilling academic and professional lives.

That said...It's sad that being black and intelligent is considered newsworthy.


Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
48. Probably because it goes against the stereotype that some still believe....
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:03 PM
Dec 2012

you know...one of the takers, one of the deadbeats, one of the 47%. It would be mentioned if he were female, too. Not
Asian or Indian, maybe, because the stereotype for them is that they excel at academics.

I wonder if he's a Republican or Democrat?

aaaaaa5a

(4,667 posts)
75. That was the point exactly.
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:05 AM
Dec 2012

I believe race is a factor in the story. But I edited the OP title because in retrospect it could have been worded better. And I thought the focus with regard to the storyline needed to be elsewhere.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
47. What an amazing feat. His future is locked in. The world is his.
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:00 PM
Dec 2012

His hard work (and brains) paid off, as no doubt did his parents' parenting. I bet they're so proud they could burst. I am, and I don't even know him!

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
50. I hope I live long enough to see a headline like this read simply.....
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:10 PM
Dec 2012

...."Teen achieves perfect SAT score".

Not 'white teen', not 'black teen', not 'Latino teen', or any other 'ethnic teen"....just "teen".

But, congrats to Cameron....that is a truly amazing achievement! Best wishes for future accomplishments!

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
51. Smart kid. But I don't think his race is relevant.
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:14 PM
Dec 2012

Not one bit. In fact, I find the reference abhorrent. It's as if you're saying that it's some kind of miracle that a black kid got a perfect score. 359 other kids also got perfect scores. Are we going to do an ethnic survey of them, too?

Good for Cameron. It's not easy to get a perfect score on the SATs. Everyone who knows him is undoubtedly very proud of his achievement.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
64. FYI, Mt. Airy, Germantown = Philly.
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:55 PM
Dec 2012

Which makes me proud, given I lived there for so many years.

You go, Cameron. There's a world of endless opportunity waiting for you.

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