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Dennis Donovan

(31,059 posts)
Mon May 19, 2025, 12:30 PM May 19

Christopher Webb: There's a new alignment happening and it's not about left or center

Christopher Webb‬
‪@cwebbonline.com‬
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DEMOCRATS WOULD BE WISE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THIS…

There’s a new alignment happening and it’s not about left or center. Rank-and-file Dems want two things:

📌Leaders who stand with workers
📌And who stand up to Trump

If you’re not doing either, expect to get primaried.

Watch…


‪Christopher Webb‬
‪@cwebbonline.com‬
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We don’t need a new logo or a fresh slogan. We need leaders who fight. For workers. For democracy. For our lives.

If this reboot doesn’t come with fire, it’s not what we’re looking for.


‪Christopher Webb‬
‪@cwebbonline.com‬
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Christopher Webb
‪@cwebbonline.com‬

May 19, 2025 at 12:07 PM


Christopher Webb (@cwebbonline.com) 2025-05-19T16:07:09.804Z
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Christopher Webb: There's a new alignment happening and it's not about left or center (Original Post) Dennis Donovan May 19 OP
Cannot agree more. sop May 19 #1
Absolutely. Jirel May 19 #2
From a Bernie email: usonian May 19 #3
Maybe the rebrand needs to also include FirstLight May 19 #4
How about running against the failures of cutting wealthy taxes? IbogaProject May 19 #11
Right? Republicans have implemented a lot of welfare for the rich over recent decades... Beartracks May 19 #27
That last one.... Bettie May 19 #5
Long overdue Iamscrewed May 19 #6
100% Blue Full Moon May 19 #7
This is David Hogg's exact point. I expect the Hogg-haters to hate this too Arazi May 19 #8
Finding common ground with Nazis gets you LuvLoogie May 19 #9
Did you mean to post this in this thread? Scrivener7 May 19 #15
Hell yes. You want elected you better work for that vote. Autumn May 19 #10
Hell yes. biocube May 19 #12
Absolutely!!!!! BurnDoubt May 19 #13
Be the Change you want MagickMuffin May 19 #14
I am so sick of this response. Yes, of course we should all be involved. I'm about as involved Scrivener7 May 19 #17
That's why attending the meetings are important MagickMuffin May 19 #23
And again, as I said, I am involved. While you have said you have not been involved. Scrivener7 May 19 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author DinahMoeHum May 19 #18
I love this OP! Scrivener7 May 19 #16
It ALL begins at the local level. DinahMoeHum May 19 #19
Where is the unrec function wryter2000 May 19 #20
We do need an unrec function for posts like these. murielm99 May 19 #21
we don't need "sure winners" who are INEFFECTIVE Skittles May 20 #33
Great change is always driven by grass roots movements bucolic_frolic May 19 #22
In hindsight Joe should have stepped down earlier to allow a younger generation to enter LiberalLovinLug May 19 #25
And the older Reps and Senators should mentor and lift up the younger ones Autumn May 19 #30
Amen! Joinfortmill May 19 #26
It is about left versus center Cirsium May 19 #28
Yup, SHOW ME THE MONEY Amishman May 19 #29
When 60% of the population can't afford basic necessities that's a Autumn May 19 #31
I agree 100% red dog 1 May 19 #32

Jirel

(2,345 posts)
2. Absolutely.
Mon May 19, 2025, 12:49 PM
May 19

Let’s call it what it is: we’re done with the old politics as usual and a party that keeps losing elections and being “surprised” by that. There must be a fundamental shift in the party toward removing DINOs, helping real people as part of the ongoing program on the ground (helping people get RealID to vote and for getting benefits, travel, etc., demanding real action from our office holders, getting out in the streets as a PARTY to support our politics, etc.), and no longer tolerating perennial also-rans (looking at YOU, Beto) or family dynasties or “aw, but X has been a loyal official and money raiser for so many years, we owe it to them to get them this seat.” We must be as cutthroat as the rethugs, to beat them.

usonian

(18,978 posts)
3. From a Bernie email:
Mon May 19, 2025, 01:11 PM
May 19

People attending rallies in huge numbers are saying
YES to raising the minimum wage,
YES to expanding Social Security,
YES to guaranteeing health care as a human right,
YES to cutting the cost of prescription drugs,
YES to paid family and medical leave,
YES to equal pay for equal work,
YES to more affordable housing,
YES to making childcare and higher education affordable to all,
YES to taking on the existential threat of climate change.

And most importantly they are saying
YES to a government and an economy that works for all of us and not just the billionaire class and the Oligarchs.


Bernie and AOC are on point.

FirstLight

(15,467 posts)
4. Maybe the rebrand needs to also include
Mon May 19, 2025, 01:24 PM
May 19

Humanitarian needs... Like homelessness, poverty, food insecutiry, racism, police brutality, etc...

NO MORE MONEY in politics! All campaigns should be limited to a set amount given by the Party, and that's IT. No more personal donations over $500 or $1000...

I just think instead of talking about 'building' new housing for people, they'd look at the empty commercial buildings, etc and retrofit for apartments etc. It should be an easier fix... look at European countries and how they managed to handle so many social issues. I think it would behoove our party to lean more Left and into the social issues of helping workers and the poor..

just my 2 cents...

IbogaProject

(4,634 posts)
11. How about running against the failures of cutting wealthy taxes?
Mon May 19, 2025, 02:05 PM
May 19

Those giveaways to the akready wealthy have hurt a vast majority of us all. Progressive tax isnt to redistribute as much as to prime the pump for greater economic activity. The income multipliers differ wildly between economic cohorts. The wealthy spend slowly and often amongst themselves where a low income grandma will spend her extra money fast and often locally.

Beartracks

(13,991 posts)
27. Right? Republicans have implemented a lot of welfare for the rich over recent decades...
Mon May 19, 2025, 03:14 PM
May 19

... and people who are complaining about the economy today should rightly conclude that such giveaways to the rich were obviously not a good idea, because we are living the results right now.

===============

Arazi

(8,137 posts)
8. This is David Hogg's exact point. I expect the Hogg-haters to hate this too
Mon May 19, 2025, 01:52 PM
May 19

Even as it’s coming from a totally different source.


(Pssst, it’s true though)

Autumn

(48,150 posts)
10. Hell yes. You want elected you better work for that vote.
Mon May 19, 2025, 01:55 PM
May 19

No more we had to work with the republicans because....

biocube

(113 posts)
12. Hell yes.
Mon May 19, 2025, 02:08 PM
May 19

Go all in on economic populism. And if wealthy Democratic donors don't like it tell them they can donate to Republicans.

Being an economically centrist party isn't working for Democrats anymore

BurnDoubt

(802 posts)
13. Absolutely!!!!!
Mon May 19, 2025, 02:16 PM
May 19

The olde wayz are no longer relevant when there is no honor in politics. We're light-years gone from Eisenhower. Every Republican candidate since has been dishonest and basically un-American, using their fake patriotism to cover for the Ugliarchy, slowly stealing our Freedoms and Futures.
Give 'em the truth and they'll think it's Hell. Double-down, David and go all-in. Lead us out if this miserable Past, into the Future. I'm proud you're seeing the way and leading us to it.

MagickMuffin

(17,805 posts)
14. Be the Change you want
Mon May 19, 2025, 02:19 PM
May 19



Everyone of us should be participating in our local Democratic Party headquarters.

This is supposed to be where we get to be engaged in the process. Where we state the direction the Party should be heading, What platforms to embrace.

Then the county holds their annual convention and vote on the platform to send to the State convention, where those platforms get voted on to advance to the National Convention, where it will receive the last round of voting out of the committee and becomes our National platform.

So

We can participate and make the changes we want and need.

I admit I have been lazy in this regard because mostly Covid issues, but I need to start getting involved at the County level.


Scrivener7

(56,359 posts)
17. I am so sick of this response. Yes, of course we should all be involved. I'm about as involved
Mon May 19, 2025, 02:30 PM
May 19

as a rank and file voter gets.

But I CAN'T be a SENATOR or REP with thousands of constituents who have elected me and who are listening to me for direction in how we can work together to magnify our effect.

"Be the change you want to see" is the same as saying, "You do it." And you know what? The rank and file voter can't do it without coordination the leaders we have selected to be our voices. We need people to coordinate our actions so each of our efforts is not just some random person spitting into the wind.

"Be the change you want" in this context is just the new "shut up." It minimizes the effort the rest of us are making, and it over-promises on the effect any single one of us who is not an elected official can have.

There is nothing wrong with demanding that the people we have elected to lead us will actually lead us.

MagickMuffin

(17,805 posts)
23. That's why attending the meetings are important
Mon May 19, 2025, 02:56 PM
May 19


Ya don’t gotta make yourself sick over a statement I posted.

And again getting involved is the best way to make your voices heard. And how you can influence others on who the best candidate for the job.


I hope you feel better soon. And again I am sorry for making you sick.



Scrivener7

(56,359 posts)
24. And again, as I said, I am involved. While you have said you have not been involved.
Mon May 19, 2025, 03:00 PM
May 19

Hope you heed your own advice soon. Then maybe you'll see that change needs leaders.

Response to MagickMuffin (Reply #14)

DinahMoeHum

(23,072 posts)
19. It ALL begins at the local level.
Mon May 19, 2025, 02:41 PM
May 19

Join your hometown's Democratic Party and become a district leader/committeeperson/precinct captain, etc.

Attend the meetings; make an effort to do this in person. You get to hear from local elected officials on issues, and oftentimes you meet with them one-on-one in the flesh, not just online on a screen.

If you're a member of, say, Indivisible, great. So much the better. Join up with your local Democratic Party and have them hear different perspectives. You'll also hear different perspectives from them and not get stuck in a silo/bubble.
If things go well, oftentimes you'll find yourselves working in concert among each other in conventions, campaigns, etc.

If you want to change/reform the Democratic Party, first you have to actually be IN the Democratic Party.


Skittles

(165,932 posts)
33. we don't need "sure winners" who are INEFFECTIVE
Tue May 20, 2025, 01:55 AM
May 20

if they cannot stand up to Trump they need to GET OUT OF THE FUCKING WAY

bucolic_frolic

(51,377 posts)
22. Great change is always driven by grass roots movements
Mon May 19, 2025, 02:56 PM
May 19

Leaders do not create ideas and sell them to the people. They find the zeitgeist and get out in front.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,465 posts)
25. In hindsight Joe should have stepped down earlier to allow a younger generation to enter
Mon May 19, 2025, 03:04 PM
May 19

And that situation is a microcosm of the party in general. Too many of the old guard clinging to power, thinking they know better than the next generation. One example: Pelosi made sure that AOC didn't get on the House Oversight Committee and paved the way for the old boys club Raskin to get the job.

What do you call doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?

Autumn

(48,150 posts)
30. And the older Reps and Senators should mentor and lift up the younger ones
Mon May 19, 2025, 03:25 PM
May 19

to teach them to lead instead of assigning older sick reps to committees as a reward.

Cirsium

(2,740 posts)
28. It is about left versus center
Mon May 19, 2025, 03:15 PM
May 19

Standing with the working class and standing up to the right wing and the wealthy is the definition of the Left.

Amishman

(5,893 posts)
29. Yup, SHOW ME THE MONEY
Mon May 19, 2025, 03:19 PM
May 19

The money in the people's pockets that is.

Cost of living, jobs, pay checks, cost of insurance.

This is what matters most.

Racial Justice? LGBTQ+ protections? Palestine? Ukraine? Gun Safety? While they should not be abandoned, they are distant second tier issues. Sorry, but it's our reality.

Autumn

(48,150 posts)
31. When 60% of the population can't afford basic necessities that's a
Mon May 19, 2025, 03:43 PM
May 19

real fucking problem. I know who I blame.

red dog 1

(31,429 posts)
32. I agree 100%
Mon May 19, 2025, 03:47 PM
May 19

From 1st video:
- "Only 35% of Democrats are optimistic about where their party's going"
- "Only 27% of Democrats approve of party leadership right now"
- "Last week Axios surveyed the 30 or so House Democrats who are 75 or older asking if they planned to run again & half of them said that they were. The base is not happy with that."

From 2nd video:
- "One of the few bright spots for Democrats in this last election was Senator Reuben Gallego...and he seems to understand that to reconnect with these voters.. it's about a very simple economic message and more importantly the sort of flexibility and confidence to deliver that message at all times in plain speak on social media and not have this consultified, stiff feeling that so many Democrats who've been around since the '90s seem to have."

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