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Many members are working hard here to come up with common sense gun control measures (Original Post) former-republican Dec 2012 OP
seriously? bossy22 Dec 2012 #1
There's been silly ones I know former-republican Dec 2012 #3
Very Few IMO bossy22 Dec 2012 #8
That's why I only said a few former-republican Dec 2012 #10
You can encourage actions beneficial to society at lower tax rates and there are other Hoyt Dec 2012 #5
I'm not saying the taxes wouldn't work in theory bossy22 Dec 2012 #9
There's a great deal of frustration on this issue that goes into the snark Fumesucker Dec 2012 #7
I don't doubt it bossy22 Dec 2012 #13
You need someone pushing for the extreme position, the other side does it constantly Fumesucker Dec 2012 #18
to a point bossy22 Dec 2012 #19
Well, the other side is completely off the spectrum: How about human waves of first graders? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #20
Here's a link for ya :) Tx4obama Dec 2012 #2
I appreciate the Presidents effort but what would those people know about gun control? former-republican Dec 2012 #6
I think the folks he had at the meeting was a good choice. Tx4obama Dec 2012 #16
"Maybe" I guess I'm just looking at it only one way. former-republican Dec 2012 #17
NFA is a good route. WastedSaint Dec 2012 #4
I thought about that a long time ago former-republican Dec 2012 #11
They're chomping at the bit for such a proposal. They'd happily take our tax dollars to make it WastedSaint Dec 2012 #12
They are back logged 6 to 8 months now. former-republican Dec 2012 #14
I don't think so bossy22 Dec 2012 #15

bossy22

(3,547 posts)
1. seriously?
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:52 AM
Dec 2012

I can't comment on the "working-hard", but I can comment on the proposals

Can we be honest- Most of the proposals that are proposed are non-starters. Whether they are good in theory is irrelevant if they wouldn't even be able to become law. Good proposals don't include things like "taxing ammo 100000%", because we all know that isn't going to happen. My own theory is that many posters get some enjoyment out of making ridiculous suggestions. I have some friends that do that as well- I don't get it.

bossy22

(3,547 posts)
8. Very Few IMO
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:02 AM
Dec 2012

I find the majority of the posts contain either repealing the 2nd amendment, or taxing ammunition out of existence

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
5. You can encourage actions beneficial to society at lower tax rates and there are other
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:57 AM
Dec 2012

ways to discourage prurient gun behaviour so prevalent today.

bossy22

(3,547 posts)
9. I'm not saying the taxes wouldn't work in theory
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:03 AM
Dec 2012

I'm saying they won't work in reality because they will never be passed.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
7. There's a great deal of frustration on this issue that goes into the snark
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:01 AM
Dec 2012

Life and death issue that's been played footsie with for decades now and a lot of us don't think that anything will happen this time, what's the point of being completely serious?

It's not like what we do here has that much effect on the real world although Google trawls DU pretty hard.

bossy22

(3,547 posts)
13. I don't doubt it
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:14 AM
Dec 2012

I just feel (and this is my opinion only) that when you start going down that road you almost guarantee your failure.

I'll be honest- I'm generally pro-gun but I think we need to do something to stop these shootings- what that is, I don't know. I have a few ideas myself. What scares me more is that these types of attitudes will spread beyong this forum and turn this "Great gun debate" into nothing more than soundbite talking points being slung by one talking head at the other.

It could just be a pet peeve of mine and I could be out of line with this. I don't know.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
18. You need someone pushing for the extreme position, the other side does it constantly
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:53 AM
Dec 2012

Compromise means coming up somewhere in the middle, if you start already half way to the other side's position your final compromise will not be optimum.

At least that's the way I see it, if you want something reasonable as a final compromise you have to start out at least somewhat unreasonable.

bossy22

(3,547 posts)
19. to a point
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:09 AM
Dec 2012

unreasonable yes, completely off the spectrum no.

I just see the proposals here and they aren't just unreasonable, they are off the spectrum.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
20. Well, the other side is completely off the spectrum: How about human waves of first graders?
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:40 AM
Dec 2012

Have you seen anything here on DU remotely as unhinged as this proposal?

And bear in mind this woman is a paid conservative writer, a professional, not some blog commenter.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/17/there-s-little-we-can-do-to-prevent-another-massacre.html

I'd also like us to encourage people to gang rush shooters, rather than following their instincts to hide; if we drilled it into young people that the correct thing to do is for everyone to instantly run at the guy with the gun, these sorts of mass shootings would be less deadly, because even a guy with a very powerful weapon can be brought down by 8-12 unarmed bodies piling on him at once.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
2. Here's a link for ya :)
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:53 AM
Dec 2012

President Obama was workin' on it today.

President Obama held talks with Biden, Cabinet members on Newtown response
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022014240


 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
6. I appreciate the Presidents effort but what would those people know about gun control?
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:58 AM
Dec 2012

Holder would know about it "sure"

I just don't like the guy. I wish Obama would replace him.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
16. I think the folks he had at the meeting was a good choice.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:34 AM
Dec 2012

Duncan = Education/Schools
Sebelius = Health/Mental Health
Holder = Justice/Guns

An all around approach will be needed, it's not only about gun control.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
11. I thought about that a long time ago
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:10 AM
Dec 2012

Before I was a member here.

BATF isn't set up for that .

The agency would have to triple in force and then some.

 

WastedSaint

(53 posts)
12. They're chomping at the bit for such a proposal. They'd happily take our tax dollars to make it
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:14 AM
Dec 2012

happen. I'd be happy to give my tax dollars to them for this piece of mind.

bossy22

(3,547 posts)
15. I don't think so
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:16 AM
Dec 2012

BATFE has enough on their plate already. The organization is in shambles (can't even get a true director). Do you really want to put your faith in such an organization

plus again- its not going to pass congress so why bother

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