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struggle4progress

(121,969 posts)
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 06:41 PM Jan 30

Bernie Sanders on what we should steal from Denmark

... "In Denmark, everyone is guaranteed health care, college education is free, parents receive 1-year of paid paternity leave & workers don’t make less than $22 an hour," Sanders said. "Let's steal those ideas" ...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2025/01/28/senator-bernie-sanders-president-donald-trump-greenland-denmark-health-care/77994162007/

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Bernie Sanders on what we should steal from Denmark (Original Post) struggle4progress Jan 30 OP
It's all true. Thank you Bernie!!!! Evolve Dammit Jan 30 #1
We should adopt their progressive levels of taxation too MichMan Jan 30 #2
High healthcare costs are a tax (so is dying early). Hassin Bin Sober Jan 30 #4
Joe Rogaine's podcast is set up to ensure thoughts like that NEVER EVER take root wolfie001 Jan 30 #6
... and their pastries too DBoon Jan 30 #3
Those ain't no stinkin' 'Dunkin Donuts' wolfie001 Jan 30 #5
Give me one of those NOW! n/t ReRe Jan 30 #28
Sorry. I'm in line in front of you and I'm gonna buy Abolishinist Jan 31 #32
I'm going to have to make some "Monkey Bread" this morning. ReRe Jan 31 #33
Right!!! wolfie001 Jan 31 #42
I just Linda ladeewolf Jan 31 #41
As always, Bernie is being logical and intelligent. Aussie105 Jan 30 #7
Can't be implemented kkmarie Jan 31 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author kkmarie Jan 31 #40
Good idea. Make it happen, Bernie. Oopsie Daisy Jan 30 #8
Who in the party is against these things? It Emile Jan 30 #10
He's always letting us know what we should do * Oopsie Daisy Jan 30 #11
So are you against these things? Emile Jan 30 #12
How do you figure that? Oopsie Daisy Jan 30 #15
Just wondering, is it a secret? Emile Jan 30 #16
Read post number eight. Isn't my enthusiasm obvious? Oopsie Daisy Jan 30 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Emile Jan 30 #24
Good to know you agree with Bernie's progressive agenda. Emile Jan 31 #31
I live in the real world. I think that incremental progress is better than none. Oopsie Daisy Jan 31 #36
Since you support Bernie's progressive agenda, Emile Jan 31 #37
I live in the real world. I support doing things that can actually be accomplished, not fantasy demands. Oopsie Daisy Jan 31 #39
'I'm still waiting on how he expects it to happen' is the problem; WAITING for others to act won't work, elleng Jan 31 #34
I don't have the ability to write legislation. That's his job. Oopsie Daisy Jan 31 #35
Were the Danes the people who, when the Nazis invaded and told the Jews to wear a yellow star, fierywoman Jan 30 #9
Even the King of Denmark AdamGG Jan 30 #13
this is a myth, see post 17 Celerity Jan 30 #18
I thought I'd seen a picture of it years ago, but maybe not AdamGG Jan 30 #20
yes, the shuttling to here (Sweden, where I live) is absolutely true Celerity Jan 30 #21
Those fisherman were quite brave and are heroes. Prof. Toru Tanaka Jan 30 #27
I don't know, but apparently they saved most of their Jews Crunchy Frog Jan 30 #14
Jews in Denmark never wore identification marks such as yellow stars. Celerity Jan 30 #17
Works for me! calimary Jan 30 #19
struggle4progress.............. Upthevibe Jan 30 #23
Sorry, but this is like telling the arsonist relayerbob Jan 30 #25
Our Country was founded by rich, white male landowners. Omnipresent Jan 30 #26
wi didn't steal danish kringles, we ust americaned them. we should steal their qvickly stores. OMG i so want their pansypoo53219 Jan 31 #29
K&R spanone Jan 31 #30

MichMan

(14,559 posts)
2. We should adopt their progressive levels of taxation too
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 07:22 PM
Jan 30

So everyone pays their fair share

The average Dane making $47,000 a year is taxed at 45%, rising to 52% for those making over $67,000 a year. Most Danes feel that is worth it considering what it pays for

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-01-20/why-danes-happily-pay-high-rates-of-taxes

wolfie001

(4,276 posts)
6. Joe Rogaine's podcast is set up to ensure thoughts like that NEVER EVER take root
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 08:16 PM
Jan 30

Focus on conspiracies and sow doubt in basic science and logic 24/7/365. He's extremely well-paid for keeping the oligarchy comfortable and protected.

Abolishinist

(2,298 posts)
32. Sorry. I'm in line in front of you and I'm gonna buy
Fri Jan 31, 2025, 02:22 AM
Jan 31

EVERY LAST ONE of them! They look incredible, and cinnamon rolls are my favorite pastry/downfall.

Although we do have a local bakery that makes them probably just as good, so I might just have to make a diversion on my way to work tomorrow.

ReRe

(11,405 posts)
33. I'm going to have to make some "Monkey Bread" this morning.
Fri Jan 31, 2025, 02:32 AM
Jan 31

Not the same thing, but I'll close my eyes and maybe the cinnamon and sugar will take me there.

Aussie105

(6,898 posts)
7. As always, Bernie is being logical and intelligent.
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 08:46 PM
Jan 30

As always, his ideas won't be implemented.

America isn't a first world country. Forget that idea.

kkmarie

(88 posts)
38. Can't be implemented
Fri Jan 31, 2025, 09:33 AM
Jan 31

It would be great if we could get these types of policies passed but they can't pass. What would happen to profits of hospitals and banks ( college loans) and businesses (giving employees time off work). And because it would mean everyone pays taxes to cover these it would never ever fly with the rich and corporations. I think we are to deep in pure capitalism to ever reverse course.

Response to Aussie105 (Reply #7)

Oopsie Daisy

(5,513 posts)
11. He's always letting us know what we should do *
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 08:58 PM
Jan 30

* and what we need to do. It's a laundry list of great ideas, but I'm still waiting on how he expects it to happen. What are the plans? Where is the legislation? Who are the cosponsors? Let's get this train rolling! Make it happen now!

Response to Oopsie Daisy (Reply #22)

Emile

(33,431 posts)
31. Good to know you agree with Bernie's progressive agenda.
Fri Jan 31, 2025, 12:55 AM
Jan 31

Now if we can convince the ones in the party who wouldn't allow a vote for a public option when they passed the ACA.

Oopsie Daisy

(5,513 posts)
36. I live in the real world. I think that incremental progress is better than none.
Fri Jan 31, 2025, 07:24 AM
Jan 31

And with an all or nothing philosophy, we always end up with nothing. It's always better to do what we can (even if it's not perfect) as long as it brings us closer to the ultimate goal. Our representatives know how to count votes and a "public option" was never going to get the votes needed. It was a poison pill. We did the best we could do and everyone should be proud of that, instead of shitting on it because it wasn't "perfect". Let's build on it. I'm eager to see what Bernie's legislation is that will allow us to do that. His laundry list of complaints won't solve themselves. His wish-list won't magically appear. Someone needs to write the legislation, and he seems very interested and motivated. Where's the legislation? I'm eager to support whatever he comes up with. Let's do this!

Emile

(33,431 posts)
37. Since you support Bernie's progressive agenda,
Fri Jan 31, 2025, 07:38 AM
Jan 31

you should know nothing has a chance in hell of passing without party unity. Now we need to convince the centrists to back what our man Bernie has been saying for years.

On September 13, 2017, Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) introduced a parallel bill in the United States Senate, with 16 co-sponsors. The act would establish a universal single-payer health care system in the United States.

Oopsie Daisy

(5,513 posts)
39. I live in the real world. I support doing things that can actually be accomplished, not fantasy demands.
Fri Jan 31, 2025, 09:50 AM
Jan 31
>> you should know nothing has a chance in hell of passing without party unity.
That's partially true but rather a simplistic characterization.

>> Now we need to convince the centrists to back what our man Bernie has been saying for years.
Rather than waiting-and-waiting to "convince the centrists" to go all-in on "Bernie's" plan I ask, why wait? Why not try to build and improve on what we already have?

People who wait for perfection or who think that nothing can be accomplished until there are no more "evil" centrists are essentially sabotaging themselves and fulfilling their own prophecy. Instead, why is there so much opposition to doing the things now that can be done now?

Let's see what Bernie's plan is for that. Rather than using his position to lecture Democrats on what we oughta be doing with a laundry list of shoulda-woulda-coulda, I think that he's in a perfect position to actually make a difference himself.

He can work with his many friends in the Senate to come up with something (anything) that helps to build on the ACA and to make it better and stronger. You'd like that, right? You're not opposed to that, are you?

Sadly, I think that too many people would rather wait for perfection (and have nothing in the meantime). As I've always pointed out, the prevalent all-or-nothing philosophy is a losing one. It's not the "evil" centrists that are holding things up. Instead is a lack of willingness for many to be willing to accept compromise, and incremental progress (which is STILL progress by the way) and to find common ground.

Let's see some legislation that actually has a chance of passing. Let's see some real-world coalition building that reflects the reality of today's political climate. That's the real hold-up.

The bill you mentioned was EIGHT years ago. It didn't go very far, did it? Why not? What's been done to rewrite, change, adjust things since then? What has been done to find the parts that CAN be agreed upon and implement those? After all, something is better than nothing, right? A little improvement here and there is better than NOTHING while sit around and wait and wait and wait for all of the "evil" centrists to be voted out of office. (HINT: That's not going to happen.)


elleng

(138,909 posts)
34. 'I'm still waiting on how he expects it to happen' is the problem; WAITING for others to act won't work,
Fri Jan 31, 2025, 06:44 AM
Jan 31

WE the PEOPLE must act. THIS is what our DEMOCRACY is for.

ORGANIZE, encourage/force our representatives to do so, select different/other representatives.

Oopsie Daisy

(5,513 posts)
35. I don't have the ability to write legislation. That's his job.
Fri Jan 31, 2025, 07:19 AM
Jan 31

I think it's a bit unrealistic to expect everything all at once. This is, has been, and will always be a slow process of incremental gains. Sadly, too many are willing to settle for nothing simply because it's not perfect or ideal... and in their minds, ONLY perfect will do... rather than seeing that the incremental steps and improvements are moving us closer and closer to "perfect".

Elleng, are you suggesting that we just "wait" for the perfect crop of legislators to be elected and THEN move forward on this? I can't write the legislation. Someone must do it. Bernie seems to be interested in this subject, so where is his legislation? Where are his co-sponsors? Who has he teamed-up with?

We could do a little now, and a little later... along-along... building and growing. OR, we could do as you're suggesting... just wait until "we the people act" and elect the perfect slate of legislators who'll get it all done all at once.

Sounds nice. But I don't think that's realistic.

fierywoman

(8,245 posts)
9. Were the Danes the people who, when the Nazis invaded and told the Jews to wear a yellow star,
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 08:50 PM
Jan 30

the whole population wore a yellow star?

AdamGG

(1,639 posts)
13. Even the King of Denmark
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 09:01 PM
Jan 30

walked out on his balcony wearing a yellow star to show solidarity. Then, when the roundups were approaching, hundreds of Danish fishermen spent the night shuttling Jews to Sweden for safety.

AdamGG

(1,639 posts)
20. I thought I'd seen a picture of it years ago, but maybe not
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 09:24 PM
Jan 30

I heard about this decades ago, but I guess it may have been a myth.

The part about Danes shuttling Jews to safety in Sweden is true.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/gallery/rescue-in-denmark

Prof. Toru Tanaka

(2,508 posts)
27. Those fisherman were quite brave and are heroes.
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 10:32 PM
Jan 30

I am glad this story was brought up; this is the first I have heard of it. With the ongoing national shit show courtesy of the current administration, it is inspiring to read a story like this.

Celerity

(48,728 posts)
17. Jews in Denmark never wore identification marks such as yellow stars.
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 09:16 PM
Jan 30


Did King Christian X of Denmark Wear a Yellow Star in Support of the Danish Jews?

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/king-christian-x-of-denmark

No, he did not. According to popular legend, King Christian X of Denmark chose to wear a yellow star in support of the Danish Jews during the German occupation of Denmark.

In another version, the Danish people decided to wear yellow stars. Both of these particular stories are fictional.

In fact, unlike Jews in other countries under German occupation, Jews in Denmark never wore an identification mark such as a yellow star.


The legend conveys an important historical truth, however: both the King and the majority of the Danish people stood by their Jewish citizens and were instrumental in saving almost all of them from Nazi persecution and death.

relayerbob

(7,123 posts)
25. Sorry, but this is like telling the arsonist
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 10:06 PM
Jan 30

Lighting your house on fire, that he should check the air in their tires.

Omnipresent

(6,779 posts)
26. Our Country was founded by rich, white male landowners.
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 10:22 PM
Jan 30

Who either stole this land from the American Indians or other Europeans and vice versus.
With election of trump, who would just love it to be the 16th. Century again.
I can firmly say, we’re not there yet!

pansypoo53219

(22,043 posts)
29. wi didn't steal danish kringles, we ust americaned them. we should steal their qvickly stores. OMG i so want their
Fri Jan 31, 2025, 12:04 AM
Jan 31

dark triangular italian bread.

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