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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy I feel so discouraged
You see, in 2016 I was up for the fight. The Trump MAGAts were (and still are) racists. The Muslim ban made me angry, and I demonstrated against it. I defended my position and lost some friends. Then the demonization of immigrants, both documented and undocumented. Being married to an immigrant, I took it personally and became estranged from some family members (mostly cousins or their spouses). Then there was George Floyd's murder, the BLM demonstrations and the NFL players taking a knee. On this one, I didn't watch an NFL game with my friends for a year, because we always argued right after the National Anthem. Then the Dobbs decision. I really didn't argue this one, my female relatives did, but I always took the side of "choice".
Then there was November 5, 2024. Over 20% of black men voted for Trump. A majority of white women voted for Trump, including more than 25% who were pro-choice. Harris came in third in most Muslim and Arab communities. 45% of Latinos and a majority of Latino men voted for Trump.
As a retired white, 72-year-old male living in another country, I look at these numbers and feel like a fool. I know I was right to support the people who were losing rights, being denied civil rights or being treated in inhumane ways. But if large segments of the population that are either directly and negatively impacted by Donald Trump's policies or are among the people treated in such a way, vote for that no-good piece of shit, it really wears my sympathies down. I will not face the wrath of MAGATs because of my race or gender or citizen status or my religion, but only because of the way I think. I think I may stand down, for now and rejoin the fight when the people who actually are getting fucked figure it out.

struggle4progress
(121,095 posts)Keep your eyes on the prize and hold on
JI7
(91,259 posts)The transgender issue was a huge reason for why many of thar people voted the way they did.
trans folk scare them more than fascism, they are PATHETIC
kerry-is-my-prez
(9,531 posts)They really think that their kids could have their sex organs cut off and sent off while they are in school. And then the Reps were saying that immigrants were taking over towns and apartments and they kept saying theyre coming to your town.
Skittles
(161,464 posts)THEY EAT YOUR PETS!!!
it fucking disgusts me that ANY immigrant would vote that vile POS
jimfields33
(19,382 posts)Communities. Saw that on morning Joe this morning. We are around 75 percent. Blacks 54 percent and Hispanics 43 percent. I was surprised..
Pototan
(2,264 posts)They voted for a guy and his supporters who hate them. But the excuse for supporting their tormenters is that Trump also hates people that they hate.
As I said, they can wake me up when they figure it out.
JI7
(91,259 posts)that supported Trump.
CrispyQ
(38,946 posts)Americans Have One Very Strange Cognitive Bias
Or: How I learned to stop worrying and love The People.
Jonathan V. Last
Nov 22, 2024
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/americans-have-one-very-strange-cognitive
snip...
YouGov asked a series of questions on What percentage of Americans do you think are [fill in the blank]? with the [blank] being all sorts of qualities: black, gay, Christian, left-handed, own a passport, etc.
The results were hilarious. Here are some of the percentages that Americans (on average) think their fellow citizens are:Transgender: 21 percent
Muslim: 27 percent
Jewish: 30 percent
Black: 41 percent
Live in New York City: 30 percent
Gay or lesbian: 30 percent
more...
These perceptions do not square with any version of observable reality. Here the numbers as they actually exist in the real world:Transgender: 1 percent
Muslim: 1 percent
Jewish: 2 percent
Black: 12 percent
Live in New York City: 2 percent
Gay or lesbian: 3 percent
I don't know how a country whose population think 30% of the nation's people all live in NYC can survive!!


Blues Heron
(6,314 posts)Some people who should know better fell for the brainwashing so you give up? What? Dont give up !
Pototan
(2,264 posts)have decided to find out the hard way. I'm up for fighting against the bigots and racists. I'm not up for trying to convince the victims that Trump's not their guy. If this is what they want, who am I to argue with them.
UniqueUserName
(319 posts)Is. . . Pragmatically, I have to evaluate the difference between enabling bad behavior of a person to determine whether they're bad behavior is due to Stockholm Syndrome or merely having shitty ideas.
I'm with the OP on this. I am not going to enable a person who values hate over cooperation, even if that person is oppressed. Apparently they haven't hit rock bottom yet.
Blues Heron
(6,314 posts)Skittles
(161,464 posts)they will find out the hard way
UTUSN
(73,179 posts)littlemissmartypants
(26,492 posts)Anything without your consent.
I'd be more worried about a Chinese invasion of Taiwan if I lived in your general area. Thank goodness you could move back here if that were to occur.
❤️
Pototan
(2,264 posts)and the Philippines may be impacted by that event. This is a possible event that the Filipinos can't control and certainly did not choose. On the other hand, here's what I know for sure: A plurality of Americans voted on election day for Donald Trump, and he will be sworn in as the 47th President of the United States on Jan. 20, 2025.
I'd rather be here than there.
And keep in mind, that there won't be a safe place in the world once Trump is President. Not South America, Africa, Southeast Asia and certainly not Europe. Just like Hitler, the world was not safe anywhere, but it was far worse in Germany.
kerry-is-my-prez
(9,531 posts)By 2026, a good number of people will have realized what a shit show the Repubs are.
Pototan
(2,264 posts)It pains me to have to say this, but I'm afraid that some people will have to learn the hard way. The very hard way.
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Mike 03
(18,008 posts)Despite wanting to feel "fighting spirit" I run into constant reminders that 2024 isn't really anything like 2016. IMO, this is far more serious, the consequences far greater, the implications both of what happened on November 5 and what is projected to happen far more difficult to overcome by actions we can actually take.
The risk-reward analysis for resistance in 2025 will be much different than it was for me eight years ago too.
It's hard to even draw inspiration from our side. This morning I heard on Canadian talk radio that Barack Obama might be planning something helpful, but that internet search only led to some stories in which one of our alleged "Magadonors" (somebody I've never heard of--Jim Morgan) trashing Kamala Harris, saying she should "never" be able to run for office again because her campaign ran over budget (I mean who is this fucking idiot?!) and claiming Obama didn't want her to run in the first place. I am so sick of this shit. So it's never-ending demoralization amidst a firehose of falsehoods and betrayals.
But I'm a work in progress and my position may change.
CrispyQ
(38,946 posts)Quotes from the Con on Covid, taken from press conferences, interviews, tweets, and rallies.
January 22: No. Not at all. And ?? were we have it totally under control. Its one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. Its going to be just fine.
January 24: China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!
January 30: Now were working very strongly with China on the coronavirus thats a new thing that a lot of people are talking about. Hopefully it wont be as bad as some people think it could be. But were working very closely with them and with a lot of other people and a lot of other countries. And we think we have it very well under control.
February 2: We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.
February 24: The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA Stock Market starting to look very good to me!
February 25: CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.
February 25: I think that's a problem thats going to go away They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, were very close to a vaccine.
February 26: The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.
February 26: We're going very substantially down, not up.
February 27: One day its like a miracle, it will disappear.
February 28: We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.
February 28: And this is their new hoax. But you know, we did something thats been pretty amazing. Were 15 people [cases of coronavirus infection] in this massive country. And because of the fact that we went early, we went early, we could have had a lot more than that.
March 2: You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?
March 2: A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and theyre happening very rapidly.
March 4: If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work some of them go to work, but they get better.
March 5: I never said people that are feeling sick should go to work.
March 5: The United States has, as of now, only 129 cases and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!
March 6: I think were doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down a tremendous job at keeping it down.
March 6: Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. Theyre there. And the tests are beautiful . the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.
March 6: I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it Every one of these doctors said, How do you know so much about this? Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.
March 6: I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.
March 7: No, Im not concerned at all. No, Im not. No, weve done a great job.
March 8: We have a perfectly coordinated and fine-tuned plan at the White House for our attack on Corona Virus.
March 9: This blindsided the world.
March 9: The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the Corona Virus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant. Surgeon General, The risk is low to the average American.
March 10: And were prepared, and were doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.
March 10: Its really working out. And a lot of good things are going to happen. The consumer is ready, and the consumer is so powerful in our country with what weve done with tax cuts and regulation cuts and all of those things. The consumer has never been in a better position than they are right now.
March 17: Ive always known, this is a real this is a real this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic. All you had to do was look at other countries no, Ive always viewed it as very serious. It was no difference yesterday from days before. I feel the tone is similar, but some people said it wasn't.
March 31: "I don't think I would have done any better had I not been impeached," Trump said at his daily coronavirus news conference from the White House. "And I think that's a great tribute to something maybe it's a tribute to me but I don't think I would've acted any differently, or I don't think I would've acted any faster."
JFC.

The asshole is going to be president again.



Solomon
(12,501 posts)males for this shit. This is a white people problem. I'm getting tired of it.
Pototan
(2,264 posts)than any Republican Presidential candidate since 1960. This is after George Floyd and BLM. That's why.
Trump's percentage should have gone down, not up. Police immunity, as Trump supports, will have a greater negative affect on Black men than anyone else. That's why.
Black men supporting Trump by record numbers was not the only reason, but it sure was part of it.
Racist, bigots and misogynists will automatically gravitate to Trump. They are mostly white. I'm ready to fight them, but not if a disproportionate amount of their victims join them.
Blues Heron
(6,314 posts)We need everybody to confront this coming regime. Its easy to give up from 10,000 miles away, but those of us here in this actual country simply do not have that option. We must fight on.
Pototan
(2,264 posts)...donate money (which I did in every election in the past 30 years) and mail in my overseas ballot. I'm retired. I did my part for 50 years. I'm not giving up because we lost. I'm pausing because too many of the people we're fighting for have joined the ranks of the morons. When they wake up, I'll send money again.
Keepthesoulalive
(985 posts)If we could get 80% of the white female vote when their healthcare is on the line we could make a difference. If every black male of voting age voted for the democratic candidate it would not have made a difference. Please leave them alone and stop using them as the problem. Black folks of both sexes voted for our candidate. Please get your white brothers and sisters to join us to fight for a better nation.
elocs
(23,192 posts)I always vote for the Democratic candidate. Always. And I always vote, no excuses. No voting for 3rd party candidates. Just doing those things may have well defeated Trump both times he won.
Where did the nearly 7 million votes that Biden got against Trump go that Harris didn't get? Because with those, Harris would have won. I have yet to hear a good explanation about that.
And 20% of Black men voting for Trump is insanely stupid. Democrats: it seems we have met the enemy and it is us.
I am 72 and thought I would cruise through a nice retirement. Instead I must survive 8 years of Trump, after which the nation may never be the same.
Pototan
(2,264 posts)Thanks
Fish700
(148 posts)Voters already lived through a first Trump administration then lived through Biden's remarkable job leading the US out of the chaos caused by that and Covid. They then decided to vote against the team that was going to continue that job so they could go back to no toilet paper and abandoning NATO. You can't fix stupid.
coffeenap
(3,231 posts)We are stuck with (horrible) male leadership because enough people cannot "allow" themselves to be governed by a woman. And, until we change that here in the US with the support and leadership of men in all population groups, it'll continue.
Pototan
(2,264 posts)PJMcK
(23,266 posts)I feel discouraged because our loses fat outweigh our wins.
The list of loses is impressive:
Dobbs decision
MT Greene reelected
Boebert reelected
Gaetz reelected
Trump reelected
Cases against Trump dismissed
Congress & Senate in Republican hands
Rule of Law abolished
The wins, if you can call them that, pale by comparison.
Thats why Im discouraged.