I keep seeing stories talking about Trump's "populist message" and it drives me nuts

[LymphocyteLover]

E.g. "How Democrats Lost Their Base and Their Message.
Donald Trump’s populist pitch bumped Democrats off their traditional place in American politics."
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/25/upshot/democrats-trump-working-class.html

It's such flagrant bullshit! And it's such an old recycled storyline line as well.

As a candidate, he ran the worst campaign I've ever seen. He had no coherent message at all. He just put out a constant barrage of random nonsense and lies and insults. Is that supposed to be a populist message?

I honestly have no idea how anyone listening to him at his rallies or in his interviews was supposed to take away coherent plans he had.

Maybe his ads had a populist message, but seriously? The ads count for his whole campaign?
The ridiculous McDonald's and Garbage truck stunts? That swung the election?

This populist campaign story line just reeks of more sane washing. I think like the election was won by swing voters for the most primal of reasons-- people feeling economic pain who wanted change and didn't want to vote for a black woman and were exposed to a lot of propaganda.

[JI7]

1. The populist message was his hatred towards minority communities

[LymphocyteLover]

4. Now that makes sense

[Scrivener7]

8. And it appealed to people ON OUR SIDE who couldn't bring themselves to vote for a black woman.

All these articles want us to come to Jesus about the economy and the populist message and blah, blah, blah. It's "Trumpers in Midwest Diners" part deux. It was never true and it's not true now.

The only thing we need to come to Jesus about is that there is enough racism and sexism ON OUR SIDE to sink the campaign of a woman and/or a person of color.

We need to face this. The numbers prove it. It sucks, but it's there.

[Walleye]

12. Yes, his populist message was, America will never put a woman in that job

[Scrivener7]

15. We will someday, but I fear I have to put away the dream of doing it anytime soon if we are ever

to turn this ship around.

The heartbreak is that it was Biden voters who voted for trump that could have made the difference.

[tanyev]

2. His populist message is for a population of one--Donald J. Trump.

[LymphocyteLover]

3. LOL! True!

[jimfields33]

5. Voters in 32 states unfortunately don't have your intelligence

and knowledge of trump.

[badhair77]

6. The man has a gold toilet in NYC, according to myth,

just like they do, apparently. Yeah, he’s just like them.

[Scrivener7]

7. The Times is one of the prime sources of that factless bullshit.

[The Unmitigated Gall]

9. You're consuming media that sane-washes

And misleads.
Don’t gove them a penny.

[DeepWinter]

10. A couple Trumpers I work with

didn't even know Kamala was black, or anything. Didn't vote for her because Democrats value illegal immigrants over Americans, Democrats don't care at all about crime, everything's more expensive but they lecture us the economy is great. (Their words)

We are a divided nation.

[Walleye]

13. I'm tired of that, I've never lectured anyone in my life. I don't understand who's doing all this lecturing.

I think it’s the maga doing the lecturing. Projection, of course

[yardwork]

22. Your coworkers believe lies.

The lies overwhelm all the sources of information - social media, Trump's ads, Trump's rallies, Fox News, AM radio - it's all lies.

And the rest of the media didn't confront the lies. They picked at the edges with lame both-sides "fact checks" and sane-washed Trump.

[TheKentuckian]

23. I find it staggeringly difficult to buy they didn't know she was black

It is only slightly less (and I do mean slightly) believable than claiming "we had no idea Kamala was a woman" but both things set off my "Don't even believe it" sensors and so it reasonably follows that everything else they had to say was some bullshit too.

Any and all "economic anxiety" will completely evaporate by the third week in January at which time POOF...THE GREATEST ECONOMY IN THE HISTORY OF TIME AND SPACE!

[LymphocyteLover]

24. I guess populism is whitewashing what is better described as demagoguery and lies

[JohnSJ]

11. It is bullshit, and typical of the NY Times, and MSM. They helped push the WMD lie, which caused over a million deaths

in Iraq based on that LIE. They helped elect trump in 2016 by falsely stating that the "email investigation" was reopened. That was a LIE, and they held VP Harris to a higher standard than the sociopath in 2024, where they had NO STANDARD.

Let's see how they handle the sociopath in the next for years. I won't be surprised if they fold.

[sop]

14. Is there such a thing as Corporate Populism?

Populism that addresses all the economic inequities faced by oligarchs?

[SupportSanity]

16. Alternate non-paywall link to the news story

https://archive.ph/3QsdK

[WhiskeyGrinder]

17. All populism does is establish that there is an "us" and a "them" and that's pretty much Trump's MO.

[Wounded Bear]

18. Populism is about emotions, not facts or rational positions on issues...nt

[LymphocyteLover]

26. isn't that demagoguery?

[Takket]

19. you know the amazing thing about drumpf.....

is if you look beyond the speeches, at the actions, he represents, more than any politician in history, EVERYTHING that his voters claim to hate about politics. The corruption, the "say anything to get elected", the stealing of taxpayer money, the lack of concern for anything but billionaire friends, the contempt for the common man. Again, he SAYS he'll fight for them, but beyond the words are the actual actions, and none of them are targeted at "joe six pack".

[LymphocyteLover]

27. yup... and voters fell for his fucking con again

[bluesbassman]

20. The "populism" boils down to whit grievance, pure and simple.

The average white person across the country, even ones with higher educations, see the so-called American Dream slipping away from them and they don’t understand why. Trump came along and told them it was illegal immigrants enabled by Liberals that developed DEI and Woke policies that are ripping the American Dream out of their hands, and the news media, spearheaded by the likes of FOX and the New York Times hammered these talking points into the heads of a vast number of the electorate.

Now the truth is the “Dream” isn’t slipping away because of any competitive pressure from immigrants or even amongst our native citizens. It’s the oligarchs like Musk and Murdoch and Bezos who control not only the flow of information but also help shape the policies that drive the narratives.

[Jspur]

25. The main issue is white people don't want to

acknowledged these rich white elites like Musk don't care about them and are the reason why they are suffering from great economic inequality. I think from a psychological standpoint it's very hard for them to accept a member of their own race doesn't care about them and is inflicting pain and suffering on them. This is why they blame all their economic problems on immigrants and non-whites just to deflect and not hold the actual culprits accountable because they can't handle the trauma and mental pain and anguish that would cause them.

[yardwork]

21. I agree.

[struggle4progress]

28. My Home Town

Tom Lehrer on public domain

Recording date: September 5th 1967
Location: Falkonercenteret, Copenhagen, Denmark
Format: Most probably Ampex Quadruplex PAL 4:3
Status: A rare recording indeed
Storage: Most probably Sony Digital Betacam and in a digital format
Production and preservation: Danmarks Radio (DR) in Denmark