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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRobert Reich on "Lessons from the Election"-- I think he's spot on
Friends,
A political disaster such as what occurred Tuesday gains significance not simply by virtue of who won or lost, but through how the election is interpreted.
This is known as The Lesson of the election.
The Lesson explains what happened and why. It deciphers the publics mood, values, and thoughts. It attributes credit and blame.
And therein lies its power. When The Lesson of the election becomes accepted wisdom when most of the politicians, pundits, and politicians come to believe it it shapes the future. It determines how parties, candidates, political operatives, and journalists approach future elections.
There are many reasons for what occurred on Tuesday and for what the outcome should teach America about where the nation is and about what Democrats should do in the future.
Yet inevitably, one Lesson predominates.
Today, I want to share with you six conventional lessons you will hear for Tuesdays outcome. None is or should be considered The Lesson of the 2024 election.
Then Ill give you what I consider the real Lesson of the election.
None of these are The Lesson of the 2024 election:
1. "It was a total repudiation of the Democratic Party, a major realignment."
Rubbish. Harris would have won had there been a small, less than 1 percent vote shift in the three main battleground states. The biggest shift from 2020 and 2016 was among Latino men. We dont know yet whether Latino men will return to the Democrats; if they dont, they will contribute to a small realignment.
But the fact is America elected Trump in 2016, almost reelected him in 2020, and elected him again in 2024. We haven't changed much, at least in terms of whom we vote for.
2. "If the Dems want to win in the future, they have to move to the right. They should stop talking about 'democracy,' forget 'multiculturalism,' and end their focus on womens rights, transgender rights, immigrants rights, voting rights, civil rights, and Americas shameful history of racism and genocide. Instead, push to strengthen families, cut taxes, allow school choice and prayer in public schools, reduce immigration, minimize our obligations abroad, and put America and Americans first."
Wrong. Democrats shouldnt move to the right if that means giving up on democracy, social justice, civil rights, and equal voting rights. While Democrats might reconsider their use of identity politics (in which people are viewed primarily through the lenses of race, ethnicity, or gender), Democrats must not lose the moral ideals at the heart of the Party and at the core of America.
3. "Republicans won because of misinformation and right-wing propaganda. They won over young men because of a vicious alliance between Trump and a vast network of online influencers and podcasts appealing to them. The answer is for Democrats to cultivate an equivalent media ecosystem that rivals what the right has built."
Partly true. Misinformation and right-wing propaganda did play a role, particularly in reaching young men. But this hardly means progressives and Democrats should fill the information ecosystem with misinformation or left-wing propaganda. Better messaging, yes. Lies and bigotry, no.
We should use our power as consumers to boycott X and all advertisers on X and on Fox News, mount defamation and other lawsuits against platforms that foment hate, and push for regulations (at least at the state level for now) requiring that all platforms achieve minimum standards of moderation and decency.
4. "Republicans cheated. Trump, Putin, and election deniers at county and precinct levels engaged in a vast conspiracy to suppress votes."
I doubt it. Putin tried, but so far theres no sign that the Kremlin affected any voting process. There is little or no evidence of widespread cheating by Republicans. Dems should not feed further conspiracy theories about fraudulent voting or tallying. For the most part, the system worked smoothly, and we owe a huge debt of gratitude to election workers and state officials in charge of the process.
5. "Harris ran a lousy campaign. She wasnt a good communicator. She fudged and shifted her positions on issues. She was weighed down by Biden and didnt sufficiently separate herself from him."
Untrue. Harris ran a good campaign, but she had only a little over three months to do it. She had to introduce herself to the nation (typically a vice president is almost invisible within an administration) at the same time Trumps antics sucked most of the oxygen out of the political air. She could have been clearer about her proposals and policies and embraced economic populism (see below on the real lesson), but her debate with Trump was the best debate performance Ive ever witnessed, and her speeches were pitch perfect. Biden may have weighed her down a bit, but his decision to step down was gracious and selfless.
6. "Racism and misogyny. Voters were simply not prepared to elect a Black female president."
Partly true. Surely racism and misogyny played a role, but bigotry cant offer a full explanation.
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Heres the real Lesson of the 2024 election:
On Tuesday, according to exit polls, Americans voted mainly on the economy and their votes reflected their class and level of education.
While the economy has improved over the last two years according to standard economic measures, most Americans without college degrees thats the majority have not felt it.
In fact, most Americans without college degrees have not felt much economic improvement for four decades, and their jobs have grown less secure. The real median wage of the bottom 90 percent is stuck nearly where it was in the early 1990s, even though the economy is more than twice as large.
Most of the economys gains have gone to the top.
This has caused many Americans to feel frustrated and angry. Trump gave voice to that anger. Harris did not.
The real lesson of the 2024 election is that Democrats must not just give voice to the anger but also explain how record inequality has corrupted our system, and pledge to limit the political power of big corporations and the super-rich.
The basic bargain used to be that if you worked hard and played by the rules, youd do better and your children would do even better than you.
But since 1980, that bargain has become a sham. The middle class has shrunk.
Why? While Republicans steadily cut taxes on the wealthy, Democrats abandoned the working class.
Democrats embraced NAFTA and lowered tariffs on Chinese goods. They deregulated finance and allowed Wall Street to become a high-stakes gambling casino. They let big corporations gain enough market power to keep prices (and profit margins) high.
They let corporations bust unions (with negligible penalties) and slash payrolls. They bailed out Wall Street when its gambling addiction threatened to blow up the entire economy but never bailed out homeowners who lost everything.
They welcomed big money into their campaigns and delivered quid pro quos that rigged the market in favor of big corporations and the wealthy.
Joe Biden redirected the Democratic Party back toward its working-class roots, but many of the changes he catalyzed more vigorous antitrust enforcement, stronger enforcement of labor laws, and major investments in manufacturing, infrastructure, semiconductors, and non-fossil fuels wouldnt be evident for years, and he could not communicate effectively about them.
The Republican Party says its on the side of working people, but its policies will hurt ordinary workers even more. Trumps tariffs will drive up prices. His expected retreat from vigorous antitrust enforcement will allow giant corporations to drive up prices further.
If Republicans gain control over the House as well as the Senate, as looks likely, they will extend Trumps 2017 tax law and add additional tax cuts. As in 2017, these lower taxes will benefit mainly the wealthy and enlarge the national debt, which will give Republicans an excuse to cut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid their objectives for decades.
Democrats must no longer do the bidding of big corporations and the wealthy. They must instead focus on winning back the working class.
They should demand paid family leave, Medicare for all, free public higher education, stronger unions, higher taxes on great wealth, and housing credits that will generate the biggest boom in residential home construction since World War II.
They should also demand that corporations share their profits with their workers. They should call for limits on CEO pay, eliminate all stock buybacks (as was the SEC rule before 1982), and reject corporate welfare (subsidies and tax credit to particular companies and industries unrelated to the common good).
Democrats need to tell Americans why their pay has been lousy for decades and their jobs less secure: not because of immigrants, liberals, people of color, the deep state, or any other Trump Republican bogeyman, but because of the power of large corporations and the rich to rig the market and siphon off most of the economys gains.
In doing this, Democrats need not turn their backs on democracy. Democracy goes hand-in-hand with a fair economy. Only by reducing the power of big money in our politics can America grow the middle class, reward hard work, and reaffirm the basic bargain at the heart of our system.
If the Trump Republicans gain control of the House, as seems likely, they will have complete control of the federal government. That means they will own whatever happens to the economy and will be responsible for whatever happens to America. Notwithstanding all their anti-establishment populist rhetoric, they will become the establishment.
The Democratic Party should use this inflection point to shift ground from being the party of well-off college graduates, big corporations, never-Trumpers like Dick Cheney, and vacuous centrism to an anti-establishment party ready to shake up the system on behalf of the vast majority of Americans.
This is and should be The Lesson of the 2024 election.
What do you think?
Tadpole Raisin
(1,561 posts)Clinton administration. Great guy. Insightful.
And I like that he is not talking about blame so much as analysis.
The first is a waste of time, though in the early post election stages of anger and frustration, understandable.
The latter should have us working together to address the issues listed point by point.
If we dont disintegrate into finger pointing it can be done.
walkingman
(8,667 posts)phylny
(8,622 posts)LymphocyteLover
(7,068 posts)LSparkle
(11,868 posts)The basic bargain used to be that if you worked hard and played by the rules, youd do better and your children would do even better than you.
But since 1980, that bargain has become a sham.
My entire working life Ive thought it was my fault I havent done as well as my parents. ITS NOT.
LittleGirl
(8,510 posts)Kev80
(36 posts)I remember telling my mum that I lived paycheck to paycheck. 96 or 97 and she was shocked. Our parents had money in savings account. Shes 84 and she still tells me to put money in my savings account. I wish I could. We all scratch by. I bought into the work hard bullshit too.
KPN
(16,212 posts)moment for me. The notion that this dynamic would scar self-esteem in that specific way never, ever occurred to me. But you are absolutely right. The difference between my wife and I, and our three children -- all of whom are educated -- is we were lucky enough to be born in the 1950's when the basic bargain truly existed. Hard work and dependability used to pay off, almost if not always. Now, not so much, and way too often.
Fortunately, we've had many discussions with our adult kids over the years wherein we have bemoaned the demise we've witnessed of the middle class over the past 25-30 and now 45 years ... and how things got this way. So our kids don't blame themselves; sadly though, they do blame "boomers" ... which makes me "ouch" a bit.
kansasobama
(1,555 posts)First, not getting a college education is not going to work in the new world. If we insist on this, we will fall behind nations. This is a thing of the past. You better get educated.
Second, the solution is affordable education which Republicans do not allow.
Third, antidote to less college education is immigration of college educated people from other countries. MAGA wants to stop this
We are sort of fucked unless we stop this fantasy of upliftment of non-college education. It is not happening. They have to get educated and government has to find a way to make it affordable. If we say this, we are branded as elites. No, we are not. I am a middle class retired person with college degree.
If the 2/3 of the population is not college educated then we need to uplift these people and put policies in place for the younger folks to have opportunities. Simply using grades and money approach to enter college is not a successful outcome for us as Dems. Should we start tapping into the 2/3 doing it from DC is not the best approach. We have to step into these communities and let them know we are here, something we failed to do and the other guy did well.
walkingman
(8,667 posts)I agree we failed to do much specifically but T* did nothing in his first term (that I remember). This time he aired the grievances of the working class but offered no solutions. I have to assume that the Dems were held responsible for the post pandemic inflation simply because we held the reins of government.
And as far as college....I do think we need more college grads in America. But we need to make American colleges more challenging.
My experience with 3 degrees from different colleges is this - we treat most freshmen as a 13th grade. Either pre-req courses because of not qualified for college level classes or a mass of liberal art classes that are usually nothing more than what should be taught in HS.
Students should have some sense of where theyre going in their academic lives. That doesnt mean you need your exact career path nailed down. Say you like math and science. You know thats what you want to study, but youre not sure of a specific discipline. Your first year youll take math and science classes across a variety of disciplines. Then, in the second year, you declare a specific area of study.
Campus life - once you eliminate most of the gen ed requirements of a liberal arts program, youre not moving from building to building. You should spend most of your time in the building thats home to your field of study. The building becomes your campus. The students in your program become your community. After all, connections are so important in your career - you get to know people with common interests.
Make it challenging beyond just attending classes - the idea is to LEARN. It shouldn't be easy, you should have to THINK, not just participate.
I could go on and on. But we desperately need to improve our education systems in America - our politics will follow. ☮
kansasobama
(1,555 posts)It pains to see voters say Trump will reduce inflation and costs or interest rate. There is zero knowledge about macro-economics. If I say that, MAGA will say I am elite. I am not. I am just a well-to-do middle class
Elessar Zappa
(16,224 posts)Theres plenty of jobs that need to be filled that dont require a college education. Plumbers, electricians, construction workers, contractors, service workers, health aides, etc.
Farmer-Rick
(11,587 posts)But they are just not in the US. We buy a crap ton of junk from factories in foreign countries. We support their jobs by buying their crap. Just like there are a ton of cows producing milk just not in the US. We support their dairy industries too.
That's why the tariff idea isn't as crazy as you might think. A smart factory owner would look at moving the factory to the US to avoid the tariffs.
Thanks to free trade and all those free trade agreements, we managed to hollow out our manufacturing and major farming sectors. Both Dems and the GOP participated in that. Even Robert Reich helped in crafting NAFTA with Bush and Clinton.
That's why we crashed in 2007 and bailed out the banks while providing austerity for the rest of us. The politicians couldn't give us those factory jobs back so they told us to suck it up and pay for the filthy-rich. Did your mortgage get rescued like the banks did?
Honestly, I think people remember when factory jobs in manufacturing were our back bone for employment. No college required. They came with good paying middle management jobs too. They paid much better than a sales clerks job. Now we are a nation of badly paid sales clerks and waiters.
That could be the reason that a lot of people did vote for the pedo Trump.
But......Trump was complaining about rigged elections. It's always projection with him. He won by about 1% in 3 states. But they also got the Senate back so that tells me he did get a ton of votes. And the house has always been gerrymandered.
Too bad Dems didn't see it coming.
walkingman
(8,667 posts)You make a good living in the trades, become an entrepreneur, etc. But we need more qualified people in the trades. There are too many unqualified independent contractors that make it difficult to ensure quality and dependability.
GenThePerservering
(2,675 posts)The skilled trades are essential. College is not necessary for success alone. Further education - including tradeschool/apprenticeship - is.
lrucks1952
(6 posts)YES! You must get an education or be educated!!!...I agree with all that is said here with the biggest point being we have so many people who receive incorrect information daily and do no fact checking on their own..This ignorance with the help of social media is destroying this country... I recently saw a Utube video showing black men in Atlanta stating how much they loved Trump!!..There was at least 6 on screen African American men interviews for Trump. Not one single opinion they were saying into the camera was true and could easily be fact checked. As a black man, I was both saddened and embarrassed. Not one truth!
It was sad and now back to the point of this article. The last thing Republicans want is an educated electorate. Talk to any MAGA!! just one!! and try to have a decent conversation with them.. You can't!! They make no sense at all!! Yet they all receive and want the benefits driven and made possible by the left. Simply check it out for yourself and you will see
LAS14
(14,861 posts)Not all people can (or want to be) educated to the college level. They need to be able to live satisfying lives. We need to create societies that allow that. Full stop.
drmeow
(5,374 posts)was true when Biden beat Trump. Most if not all of it was true when Obama won. Some of us have been screaming this into the void since right after Reagan won (all it took is a rudimentary understanding of Keynesian economics for me to recognize in high school how wrong Reaganomics/trickle down is). But I would be willing to bet a very, very large sum of money that even if the Democratic Party adopted and pushed through everything he suggests (which I would celebrate like it's 1999), if we nominated another woman she would still lose!
No one wants to admit MAGA is a cult and many of us are racists and sexists. Truth hurts and so we find outlet in these academic excuses
Diamond_Dog
(35,461 posts)But I dont agree with this:
Most of the economys gains have gone to the top. This has caused many Americans to feel frustrated and angry. Trump gave voice to that anger. Harris did not.
Um
. no. Every TV ad, every speech, Harris stated that she would make the wealthy pay their fair share.
Trump has and will continue to give bigger tax breaks to the rich!
Democrats need to tell Americans why their pay has been lousy for decades and their jobs less secure: not because of immigrants, liberals, people of color, the deep state, or any other Trump Republican bogeyman, but because of the power of large corporations and the rich to rig the market and siphon off most of the economys gains.
Good luck getting Trumpy people to let go of their bigotry which translates into its always someone elses fault (others). why I cant get ahead. This seems to be a huge cancer that nothing will ever cure.
Elessar Zappa
(16,224 posts)Its about convincing a portion of the 40% who vote Republican but arent MAGA. Theres a lot of them and they can absolutely be convinced to vote for a Democrat.
Raven123
(6,187 posts)What is the definition of a non-MAGA Republican?
William Seger
(11,167 posts)Food and gas were cheaper under Trump, so let's put him back in.
Timewas
(2,344 posts)William Seger
(11,167 posts)Will anything Democrats do or say make any difference? Trump won't be able to cancel elections, but with the help of cultists in state governments, he can make them meaningless -- just like Russia.
Bernardo de La Paz
(51,817 posts)William Seger
(11,167 posts)It's not nihilism to see a dark future for humanity unless we can do something drastic, right now. Instead, something drastic has happened to ensure that we won't. In the shorter run, of course I hope that Democrats can recover politically and restore some decency to government, but it's hard to avoid being depressed that I won't be around to see that. Sorry, but right now, I'm in a very dark place, knowing that it's much worse than that; it's likely that none of us will be around to see the worst consequences of this election.
Anyway, maybe you're right that I shouldn't be sharing my darkness, so I'm gonna take a break from DU.
Bernardo de La Paz
(51,817 posts)There are many good people here who can chat/post and hear you and your feelings. They also have practical suggestions for mental resilience.
These are tough times and changes are happening.
Sometimes things have to get a bit dark to wake some people up (like independents and leaners) so they can pull back and unite with the people who already hold a light.
Take care and be well.
Farmer-Rick
(11,587 posts)It's really hard to get him out again. Just look at Russia.
Fake elections, Nazi slave labor, forced labor for Social Security. Concentration camps. Fear, hate, violence and death. That's what's coming for the US for a very long time.
Bernardo de La Paz
(51,817 posts)The thing is, the Democratic Party over the years has typically been "the working man's party", i.e. the non-college educated. And still in many ways is, if we naturally extend it to all "working people".
No need to abandon the college educated. The point can be made that helping "working people" helps the whole society. It is not a zero sum game. It's a positive sum game. RepubliCons and self-centred conservatives think it is a zero-sum game so in their race to grab bigger slices they do enough damage to turn it into a negative sum game.
Working people spend money, which makes profits, which should mean that working people can get better wages to spend more to make more profits. It's a virtuous circle, the opposite of a vicious circle.
Rich people park money in assets like artwork that do not produce anything more valuable than the asset.
Scrivener7
(53,487 posts)All the things he suggests are good. We SHOULD improve our lousy messaging and tell people how they're being cheated and how we'll fix it. We should always do this. We should have done it decades ago. (I am not talking about Harris or the campaign here. I think she ran a perfect campaign.)
But people voted for trump, or stayed home and didn't vote for Harris, because of racism and sexism. They ARE the full explanation.
If she was a white man, she'd be President.
andym
(5,748 posts)Biden was polling under water and was losing badly in the polls to Trump even before the debate. He is a white man about the same age as Trump. Kamala outperformed a white man from Pa.
We are going to believe them now?
andym
(5,748 posts)Polls were literally showing a toss up nationally and a toss up in the swing states-- look at RCP's last analysis: https://www.realclearpolling.com/elections/president/2024/battleground-states.
Trump will win within the MOE of the polls in the swing states and nationally.
The poll denying that was popular by some turned out to be a mistake.
MatthewStLouis
(912 posts)While I mostly agree with Robert Reich, the main takeaway should be that only a white male could have gotten us over the line (at least at this point in time). I love the naive optimism of the Democratic party and all our wishful thinking, but our country is not there yet. Not ready for a Madame President.
Like some people have said, Joe should have hung it up 2 years ago and we needed a convention. The first time we cringed at his age related slowness, our party leadership needed to push him to hang it up. (Yes, hindsight is 20/20. We thought maybe Joe would make it. Then we thought we had a shot with Harris. But it wasn't enough.)
LisaL
(46,814 posts)It was going to be difficult to recover from that.
And we didn't recover from that, based on these results.
delisen
(6,658 posts)Millions of macho Mexican men voted her into office . How do you explain that? She is also Jewish.
Do you know what is happening in Mexico? How they have not let misogyny stop them from making abortion legal, increasing female representation at all levels, moving ahead on environmental issues,. affordable health care.
Blaming misogyny for our regression into fascism is accepting the MAGA framing and ensuring that fascism will win and democracy will lose.
LymphocyteLover
(7,068 posts)Scrivener7
(53,487 posts)orangecrush
(22,302 posts)The message I get from this is we don't need to do much different.
Laughable.
paleotn
(19,709 posts)Got any better ideas?
Scrivener7
(53,487 posts)"But recognizing the existence of misogyny is not misogyny, nor is recognizing the existence of racism itself racism, no matter how many crazy people scream the contrary"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19694793
TBF
(34,867 posts)everyone I've talked to about this election - many of them working class (non-college) graduates, insisted they voted on the economy. I do think there is racism/sexism at work, but it doesn't explain everything. After all, Obama was able to win folks over. Did it help that he was male? Sure, but he also focused on things they cared about like health insurance.
This is what I think Reich is correct about: "Democrats must no longer do the bidding of big corporations and the wealthy. They must instead focus on winning back the working class."
LisaL
(46,814 posts)We had a major drop in votes from Latino males this time around, which I am pretty sure wasn't a case with Obama.
TBF
(34,867 posts)I do think the sexism was a huge factor. But I also don't think it was only that.
paleotn
(19,709 posts)Bye, Pedro. Remember you did this to yourself. Idiot.
-misanthroptimist
(1,244 posts)It's rare that I disagree with Reich. In fact, I don't remember ever disagreeing with him, though I'm sure I must have on some point or other. I think he's brilliant (because he agrees with me!). It's a shame his advice rarely is heeded by the Party.
Raven123
(6,187 posts)Basically moved to the right with the GOP and Clinton on NAFTA and deregulation. If I read him correctly, he is aligning himself with the Sanders and Warren wings of the party.
What I cant figure out is how to communicate and convince people about the effects of the big corporations. They own the media. And it seems to me Warren and Sanders have tried, only be branded as socialists (doesnt help that Sanders self identifies as a Democratic Socialist).
Lunabell
(7,119 posts)Which gave us all the nice things right wingers are trying to destroy.
bdamomma
(66,947 posts)wrong forum.
But this is Robert Reich podcast listen:
dlk
(12,509 posts)However, Republican voter suppression and, yes, cheating played a role. They have a history of cheating. With so much at stake, why wouldnt they cheat in this election?
Remember Trump, who often uses projection and consistently gives himself away has said he didnt need his supporters votes. Why not? Salvaging our democracy more than warrants a closer look.
We cant ignore Vladimir Putins hand and other bad actors in this endeavor.
TBF
(34,867 posts)I do think not responding to the working class in a sincere way was a problem. Most of what I saw in social media, when someone mentioned prices, was the response "we came out of the pandemic stronger than other countries". This may be true, but you really have to think at the level of folks living paycheck to paycheck. Plenty of them listened to Trump, and that was just insanity. But I can see why they would feel no one heard them. Trump tells them what they want to hear (even if he has no intention of doing anything about it to help them).
But I also think it likely that there was cheating. From the overt bomb scare call ins, the vote boxes being set on fire in certain states, and earlier than that - all of the folks taken off the voting rolls due to address changes, etc. I don't know how big of a percentage of that there was obviously. But I'd be shocked if they didn't try to cheat in some way. We all remember Trump telling state officials he only needed to find xyz number of votes in Georgia, etc. Past behavior often predicts future behavior. And somehow, with the help of disinformation, they put enough together to not just get the presidency, but Congress as well.
dickthegrouch
(3,686 posts)Two words: Gerrymandering and SCROTUS
republicans and tsf have cheated at every single turn for decades, enabled by the ridiculous rulings from Roberts scrotum.
NBachers
(18,230 posts)Alice Kramden
(2,469 posts)evemac
(195 posts)From partly true to true.
It doesn't negate the remainder of the evaluation, but I do think that misogyny is alive and well and impacts voting more than people are saying it does.
Lunabell
(7,119 posts)He is spot on.
bonniebgood
(952 posts)They build an education system to reach ALL those idiots who voted against their own interest.
Republicans won because of misinformation and right-wing propaganda. They won over young men because of a vicious alliance between Trump and a vast network of online influencers and podcasts appealing to them. The answer is for Democrats to cultivate an equivalent media ecosystem that rivals what the right has built."
Partly true. Misinformation and right-wing propaganda did play a role, particularly in reaching young men. But this hardly means progressives and Democrats should fill the information ecosystem with misinformation or left-wing propaganda. Better messaging, yes. Lies and bigotry, no. Robert Reich
Example: How in the world would someone working in Union Jobs created by the chips act by President Biden and dont know that? Same with the stimulus check Shame on the big money, Billionaire speakers democrats Who show up every FOUR YEARS to raise money and shout VOTE and Do something.
We have proved we can raise a BiLLION dollars in 3 months to run a campaign Let contribute that same money to Media education for idiots. Like Trump said : Hes loved the low educated? something to that effect. We need to love them to by educating them.
bdamomma
(66,947 posts)nt
PoindexterOglethorpe
(26,942 posts)"The Fourth Turning is Here" by Neil Howe. It makes wonderful sense of what is happening.
bucolic_frolic
(47,948 posts)Selling it to the ignorant? No so much.
Silent Type
(7,616 posts)at completing trade agreements. Talking about misinformation, that was it.
There is a reason Obama, H Clinton, Biden, and then Harris shunned Reich.
LymphocyteLover
(7,068 posts)Still I think his message here is good
Seasider
(189 posts)I get that he doesnt want Democratic voters going down the same conspiracy theory rabbit hole as MAGA does but that doesnt voters shouldnt question the results and demand an explanation on what they feel is not making sense to them. People have a right to know if their vote was properly counted.
poli-junkie
(1,160 posts)now morphed into fascism. Voters pin the blame for their struggles to get by on whomevers in power. Its now Trumps turn to ignore them, and he will.
Dems need to take advantage of not being in power by returning to its roots as the party of the middle class. Its the economy stupid.
LAS14
(14,861 posts)AncientOfDays
(212 posts)If Dems blunt the worst of tRump's plans, then they'll get blamed for obstructing paradise. And we'll continue in the same situation. Those people will only learn when THEY feel the pain.
I think rather than obstructing on a national level, a better route would be to put efforts in making Blue states like CA, OR, WA and others to be shining beacons. Find some borderline States and improve them, turning them Blue.
Martin Eden
(13,658 posts)Everything Reich cites as evidence of Democrats abandoning the working class, weren't Republicans totally on board and even more so?
Here's another question:
Do the Trump voters really know this history, and understand how the economy works?
Hell, they don't even understand how tariffs work.
MichMan
(13,765 posts)Why? While Republicans steadily cut taxes on the wealthy, Democrats abandoned the working class.
Democrats embraced NAFTA and lowered tariffs on Chinese goods. They deregulated finance and allowed Wall Street to become a high-stakes gambling casino. They let big corporations gain enough market power to keep prices (and profit margins) high."
Martin Eden
(13,658 posts)This goes back to the Clinton administration. A good number of Democrats voted against financial deregulation though Clinton signed into law the changes cited by Reich.
That was ~30 years ago, and Republicans were all in favor IIRC.
My point being that R's have more thoroughly abandoned working & lower income Americans than the D's ever have, especially the Biden/Harris administration. Voters had more cause to punish R's than D's on this score.
Regarding tariffs, specifically targeting countries with unfair practices or advantages in certain industries makes sense in protecting American workers.
Trump's broad brush approach at this point will spark inflation and trade wars.