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Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:39 PM

What republican union members can learn from Michigan & Wisconsin

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Union members who call themselves republicans, and who don't mind electing republicans because they agree with them on "social" issues or who think that republicans just want to cut their taxes, are sadly mistaken, and have been proven wrong once again.

There is a saying about "serving two masters" and how it's impossible.

The union-busting/voter suppression we see happening all over the upper midwest is living proof that many republican union people need to soul-search.

What is more important?

Keeping some woman, somewhere...a woman you will never meet..from having a legal (so far) abortion?

Lowering (keeping low) taxes for your bosses?

Keeping "illegals" from seeking a better life in the US...at ANY cost?

Keeping people who love each other from marrying, if they do not adhere to "your" beliefs?

Keeping people on "the other team" from voting, so you can have a snickering good ole time watching them stand in the rain as they wait to vote?

Drying up public school money as public school teachers (union teachers, that is) are demeaned and made out to be responsible for school failure?

Feeling relatively secure because YOU happen to have a good union job with benefits. and caring little or nothing about the walmart workers/service workers slog away with sub-par wages?


If you are a republican union member who votes republican because of the above-mentioned (and others, to be sure), you are largely responsible for putting people into power who do NOT have your best interests at heart, and who will stab you in the back, the first time they get a chance.

To the republican hierarchy, you are an anomaly..a clever tool to be used against your "own kind"..a wedge they can use to split the loyalty that's always a part of unions. You are their labor-ish Hermann Cain..their labor-ish Marco Rubio.. their "token working slob"..

Tokens are meant to be used...and they rarely miss an opportunity to use you.

Without a living wage, most of the precious social issues become moot. If your family is living in your sister-in-law's basement, you probably don't spend much time agonizing about abortions, or guns, or low taxes, or gay marriage.

Michigan is at the forefront now, because this is recent, but it;s been a relentless march to DE-UNIONIZATION for decades , and this is the latest skirmish.

Pols love to remind us all about how great the economies USED to be in the "rust belt" states. Remember what helped do them in??

RIGHT TO WORK (for less) states in the "sun-belt" states of the south. They were eager to gut the workforces of the northern states. Once air conditioning was widely in use, there was little or no impediment to bailing on the older facilities (and their workers) up north, and heading south. Few people remember that a lot of this happened during the time when the EPA came to be, and a lot of these older factories were being pressed to "clean up their act". Many/most chose to leave the mess behind and head for "friendlier territory", where out-of-the-way locations with fewer (if any) "regulations" were in place to hold them accountable for their mess.

States often used their meager state tax coffers to sweeten the deal, but those governors only saw the "jobs-created" numbers so they could win re-election. They often paid for the infrastructure necessary to woo companies..they offered tax-holidays..they robbed state welfare/school/etc funds to get the money.

$25 hr jobs lost up north, swapped for $10hr jobs down south...... just interstate cannibalism, but when articles are written in the papers and news stories reported on tv, those "details" are rarely mentioned.

Here's just one example:

Alabama's $158 Million for Honda..(from 1999 article)

Posted by SoCalDem in General Discussion

Fri Dec 12th 2008, 06:59 PM


Alabama's $158 Million for Honda: Initial Embrace
Marks Dramatic Shift from 1993's Mercedes Tiff

What a huge difference seven years make: That's the dominant theme thus far in the aftermath of the $158 million incentive package that Alabama put together to land Honda's $400 million, 1,500-employee plant. Honda (www.honda.com ), with a substantial assist from Alabama's incentives, will build a massive, 1.7-million-sq.-ft. auto production facility on a 1,350-acre tract in Lincoln, a city some 35 miles east of Birmingham. The upbeat mood that's greeted the announcement stands in stark contrast to the brouhaha of 1993, when the state provided $253 million in incentives and tax breaks to land the DaimlerChrysler investment in Vance, Ala., some 30 miles west of Birmingham. Though it ultimately yielded the first U.S. Mercedes-Benz plant, which now employs 1,700, that deal landed in hot water only months after it was forged.

'Look at Mercedes'

While scattered rumblings over the Honda deal have surfaced, the initial reaction among the huge majority of Alabamans seems overwhelmingly positive. Most seem to agree that the new Honda plant will provide an infusion of robust economic health - the same kind that ultimately came from DaimlerChrysler's Alabama plant in Vance. "Look at what Mercedes has done in Alabama, with Alabama workers. This plant will be even larger than Mercedes, and will end up costing the state less," County Commissioner Paul Manning said at a recent meeting of the St. Clair County Commission that was held shortly after Honda's Alabama announcement. St. Clair County adjoins Talladega County, where the Honda facility will rise in Lincoln, a small town with a population of some 3,600.


Good for All of Alabama?

To land Honda, Alabama committed to a total of $102.7 million in incentives to buy the land and prepare the site for construction, plus training the plant's employees. In addition, Honda will receive $55.6 million in tax breaks,


Samuel Addy, interim director of the University of Alabama's Center for Business and Economic Research, has calculated 20 years will pass before Alabama possibly breaks even if some large Honda suppliers follow the company to the region (which, given the just-in-time nature of auto manufacturing, seems likely). But despite the lengthy payoff, Addy calls the state's second auto plant "a great boon" for Alabama, which may establish it as an rising center for heavy industry locations.

In addition, the Alabama House of Representatives unanimously approved the incentive package for Honda shortly after it was announced by Gov. Siegelman.

1999's Big Differences

Things were quite different in 1993, when the state provided $253 million in incentives and tax breaks to land the DaimlerChrysler investment in Vance. Soon after, state school officials refused to hand over education funds to bankroll the Mercedes incentives. As a result, Alabama was tardy with a $43 million incentive payout due Mercedes in the agreement forged by then-Gov. Jim Folsom. That forced the state to raid Alabama's pension fund to make good on the incentives, with Alabama taking out a loan, with a 9 percent interest rate, to recoup the pension funds.


411 million in cash-outlay alone for 3200 jobs = $128,437.50 spent per job

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:42 PM

1. we had republican parasites and leeches in our union....

always complaining about the union but THEY TOOK THE $$ and benefits while stabbing us in the back. those people were totally ostracized except for on the job required interaction.

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Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:01 PM

2. and they probably loved every minute of confrontations..

but it never kept them from accepting the paychecks

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Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:07 AM

3. Don't have time to look it up, but...

I remember Daimler's chairman saying the Alabama concessions were ridiculously too much and even tried to refuse some of it. German bosses don't grow up in an atmosphere of cutting education or infrastructure funding.

Didn't Folsom lose his job over that deal when the details came out?

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Wed Dec 12, 2012, 02:46 PM

4. Great post!

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