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markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 10:57 PM Dec 2011

Another Democrat (Wyden) doing the GOP's bidding

From an article titled, The Bipartisan Political Alliance That Will Turn The Fight Over Medicare On Its Head, on TalkingPointsMemo.com:

Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) is teaming up with Paul Ryan, the House’s top budget guy and the author of the GOP’s controversial budget which proposes phasing out traditional Medicare and replacing it with a private plan. The two announced via The Washington Post that they’ll be teaming up on a different version of that Medicare plan — one that closely mimics plans offered by leading GOP presidential candidates Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney, and a proposal authored by former Sen. Pete Domenici and former Clinton budget director Alice Rivlin, which loomed large in the Super Committee’s failed negotiations.

The move makes Wyden the first elected Democrat to endorse creating a premium-support system to compete with traditional fee-for-service Medicare, and for Ryan represents a de facto admission that his own plan was too radical to ever gain bipartisan support. That’s bound to affect how congressional and presidential candidates approach the issue, which will feature prominently in next year’s elections. But it raises a number of other questions, both about the merits of the policy and of the political calculus behind it.

The policy itself allows insurers to compete with traditional Medicare turning Medicare essentially into a public option on a private insurance exchange. Wyden and Ryan would give patients subsidies that could be applied to either private insurance or fee for service Medicare. It has features of both a “defined contribution” and “defined benefit” program. All plans including Medicare would have to meet a high benefit standard. But if seniors were to choose plans that exceeded a benchmark cost they would be required to pay the difference out of pocket. If Medicare itself were to come in below the benchmark, it would function no differently than Medicare does right now. If it Medicare were to exceed the benchmark, though, seniors would have to pay more out of pocket to enroll in it.

Unlike previous plans, those subsidies would rise and fall with the cost of the plans themselves — not at a fixed rate below the explosive rate of health care inflation. But capping subsidy growth is exactly how Ryan’s original plan cut federal spending so much. This plan relies mostly on the theory that competition among insurers could hold down costs — a proposition with little evidence behind it — and would therefore save the government much less, if any, money at all. If the private plans were to prove popular, traditional Medicare would wither; if they proved popular to younger, healthier seniors, Medicare would end up with a severe adverse selection problem and could begin to unwind (though the plan does feature a so-called “risk adjustment” mechanism to guard against this possibility).
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Another Democrat (Wyden) doing the GOP's bidding (Original Post) markpkessinger Dec 2011 OP
Gotta weed these Republicans out at the grass roots level.... Scuba Dec 2011 #1
If you're suggesting Wyden is not true to Democratic values, I must respectfully disagree with you. WheelWalker Dec 2011 #3
Good to hear. We have way too many DINO's. n/t Scuba Dec 2011 #18
This dude is a right winger. No doubt about it. Wonder who's paying him? Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #2
Ron Wyden is a right winger? I think not. WheelWalker Dec 2011 #4
Why, then, make deals with the enemy, and strive to destroy Medicaid and SCHIP? Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #10
Without waiver of objection as to the form of your question, WheelWalker Dec 2011 #12
(sigh) Okay, I stand corrected. I do agree with you. It is difficult. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #13
Making sausage is gross, WheelWalker Dec 2011 #14
Not even. You don't even know who Ron Wyden is, do you. nt babylonsister Dec 2011 #8
+1 WheelWalker Dec 2011 #9
Did you miss this??? babylonsister Dec 2011 #5
Did you miss this? markpkessinger Dec 2011 #11
I'm willing to bet WheelWalker Dec 2011 #15
Wyden? Christ Almighty! I never even got a whiff of a blue-dogginess from him before. I guess bullwinkle428 Dec 2011 #6
Knee jerk much? Try reading. nt babylonsister Dec 2011 #7
Yeah - I read that this was Wyden signing onto Ryan's "coupons for seniors" plan. bullwinkle428 Dec 2011 #17
Here are Senator Wyden's ratings by a great number of interest groups. WheelWalker Dec 2011 #16
The same Wyden who just voted against the NDAA? UrbScotty Dec 2011 #19
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
1. Gotta weed these Republicans out at the grass roots level....
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 10:58 PM
Dec 2011

... and make sure our Democratic candidates hold true to Democratic values.

WheelWalker

(8,954 posts)
3. If you're suggesting Wyden is not true to Democratic values, I must respectfully disagree with you.
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 11:12 PM
Dec 2011

Ron is an outlier with some of his views regarding alternative health care legislation, but he's a rock solid Democrat on principles and values.


Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
2. This dude is a right winger. No doubt about it. Wonder who's paying him?
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 11:10 PM
Dec 2011

He's got to be receiving some right wing money somewhere.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
10. Why, then, make deals with the enemy, and strive to destroy Medicaid and SCHIP?
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 11:18 PM
Dec 2011

He wants to replace these with private insurance. That's regressive.

WheelWalker

(8,954 posts)
12. Without waiver of objection as to the form of your question,
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 11:24 PM
Dec 2011

let me respond by referring you to my sig line. I think it expresses the foundation of my opinions.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
13. (sigh) Okay, I stand corrected. I do agree with you. It is difficult.
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 11:27 PM
Dec 2011

It angers me, though, for Democrats to STILL, in 2011, have to count on and deal with Repukes.

babylonsister

(171,035 posts)
5. Did you miss this???
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 11:13 PM
Dec 2011

"...and for Ryan represents a de facto admission that his own plan was too radical to ever gain bipartisan support. "

But Wyden is doing the gop's bidding? Change your headline, maybe.

markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
11. Did you miss this?
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 11:21 PM
Dec 2011
But the two are saving the policy debate for after the election. They don’t plan to introduce legislation until next Congress at the earliest and so the immediate impact of the plan is political.


So they DO plan to introduce it. And why would Wyden attach his name to this nonsense?

WheelWalker

(8,954 posts)
15. I'm willing to bet
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 11:42 PM
Dec 2011

(but not $10,000)

that there are other Democratic values you care about, besides health care. Check out Ron Wyden's ratings by interest groups and see if those affect your overall evaluation of Senator Wyden.

http://www.votesmart.org/candidate/evaluations/27036

bullwinkle428

(20,628 posts)
6. Wyden? Christ Almighty! I never even got a whiff of a blue-dogginess from him before. I guess
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 11:14 PM
Dec 2011

you never know who might be the next one to stab you in the back.

On second thought, I would be willing to bet my life that Bernie Sanders would never stab me in the back.

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