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Thank you BoRaGard Jul 19 #1
As of today wryter2000 Jul 19 #2
Did you know that Nate Silver hasn't been with 538 since mid 2023? Native Jul 19 #4
Really??? Hmmmmmm a kennedy Jul 19 #5
https://www.natesilver.net/p/why-i-dont-buy-538s-new-election Native Jul 19 #12
He was sent packing when ABC wanted to "cut costs" after the 538 2022 poll failures BumRushDaShow Jul 19 #16
So now he's a Peter-Thiel wholly-owned subsidiary? calimary Jul 19 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Blue Cape Jul 19 #6
I didn't wryter2000 Jul 19 #22
there have been a couple of posts about it here, but not many Native Jul 19 #26
I've been taking it that way for awhile. ananda Jul 19 #21
Great work exposing this! GoreWon2000 Jul 19 #3
Odd, have been watching Nate for years. Suspiciously. Not surprised. THX for post. nt allegorical oracle Jul 19 #7
Another outsider trying to buy a country WhiteTara Jul 19 #8
Yes ... and it's getting very old. These "outsiders" are/were KPN Jul 19 #10
I said the exact same thing yesterday to a friend mtngirl47 Jul 19 #14
We need to get the word out karin_sj Jul 19 #9
Never thought he was very good when he was with 538. Did not think his results were very accurate. Fla Dem Jul 19 #11
Hmmmm.,,Current 538 polling shows Biden leading? surfered Jul 19 #13
Keith Olbermann had some things to say about nate several months ago. niyad Jul 19 #15
I was getting very skeptical of Nate Silver; not surprised he's ben purchased by right wing money. patphil Jul 19 #17
Very Interesting... Punx Jul 19 #18
People with too much money... 2naSalit Jul 19 #19
Everyone has their price. OMGWTF Jul 19 #20
Boy, no kidding. calimary Jul 19 #24
Reminded me of this - k55f5r Jul 19 #27
Nate Silver Has... GB_RN Jul 19 #25
Woah. Nate Silver left 538 in April 2023; joined Thiel's outfit in June '24 Mersky Jul 20 #28
Thiel made Silver and offer he couldn't refuse. BradBo Jul 20 #29
But, didn't 538 show Biden winning? Baitball Blogger Jul 20 #30
Love it! whathehell Jul 20 #31
Thanks for the info Roc2020 Jul 20 #32
K&R Alice Kramden Jul 20 #33

BoRaGard

(2,432 posts)
1. Thank you
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 01:43 PM
Jul 19

wryter2000

(47,191 posts)
2. As of today
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 01:44 PM
Jul 19

538 has Biden/Trump in a tie, which means we are winning.

Native

(6,170 posts)
4. Did you know that Nate Silver hasn't been with 538 since mid 2023?
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 01:48 PM
Jul 19

a kennedy

(31,652 posts)
5. Really??? Hmmmmmm
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 01:49 PM
Jul 19

Native

(6,170 posts)
12. https://www.natesilver.net/p/why-i-dont-buy-538s-new-election
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 03:07 PM
Jul 19

BumRushDaShow

(139,345 posts)
16. He was sent packing when ABC wanted to "cut costs" after the 538 2022 poll failures
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 03:44 PM
Jul 19

They kept the "538" brand and discarded its founder.

Nate Silver Out at ABC News as Disney Layoffs Once Again Hit News Division

April 25, 2023 9:18am

The second round of Disney layoffs hit ABC News on Tuesday, with Nate Silver’s data-driven politics and journalism brand FiveThirtyEight among those being impacted.

Silver told FiveThirtyEight employees in a Slack message that he expects to leave Disney when his contract is up, which he added would be “soon,” The Hollywood Reporter has learned.

ABC News is expected to keep the FiveThirtyEight brand name, with plans to streamline the site and make it more efficient.

“ABC News remains dedicated to data journalism with a core focus on politics, the economy and enterprise reporting — this streamlined structure will allow us to be more closely aligned with our priorities for the 2024 election and beyond,” an ABC News spokesperson said in a statement. “We are grateful for the invaluable contributions of the team members who will be departing the organization and know they will continue to make an important impact on the future of journalism.”

(snip)

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/nate-silver-leaves-538-abc-news-disney-layoffs-1235401689/


What I Got Wrong In 2022

By Nathaniel Rakich

Dec. 28, 2022, at 6:00 AM


Here’s a prediction that 100 percent, absolutely, positively will come true: I will get something wrong in 2023. Here at FiveThirtyEight, we make a lot of predictions every year; some of them work out, but we can’t get every single one right.  We can, however, learn from our mistakes. That’s why I like to write about everything I got wrong in the previous 12 months.1 I do this for two reasons: First, they’re often unintentionally hilarious (and when you’re a politics reporter, sometimes you need a laugh); second, identifying my blind spots has helped me become a better analyst.

And there’s no shortage of material for this year’s installment. Let’s start with a tweet I wrote on Nov. 6, 2020, shortly after it became clear that Joe Biden had won the presidential race: “Congratulations to Republicans on their victory in the 2022 midterms!” This was obviously meant to be snarky but also to communicate a political tenet: that the president’s party almost always has a bad midterm election. Of course, that tweet wasn’t from 2022, but I also made this argument in January of this year. And for several months thereafter, my analysis was colored by my expectation that 2022 would be a good election year for Republicans. As everyone knows by now, the midterms were a disappointment for Republicans. They won the House — but only barely (they gained just nine seats on net). Meanwhile, Democrats gained a seat in the Senate.



Clearly, I was overly confident in my early prediction. While it is true that the president’s party almost always has a poor midterm, there have been exceptions. And the 2022 midterms turned out to be one of these “asterisk elections,” thanks in no small part to the Supreme Court’s decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization to overturn the constitutional right to abortion. This year I should have been more prepared for the possibility that the ruling could throw a wrench into the election, especially after a draft of the decision was leaked in May. And even after the decision, it took me a while to become convinced that voter anger over Dobbs would prove durable enough to last until Election Day.

It wasn’t until the fall that I revised my expectations from a “red wave” to a “red ripple.” My biggest mistake here was not realizing just how common an “asterisk election” actually is. I often quoted one key stat: that the president’s party had gained House seats in only two of the previous 19 midterm elections. But there were four other midterms where the president’s party lost fewer than 10 House seats — so what happened in 2022 isn’t that rare. I also neglected to remember that the president’s party had lost Senate seats in only 13 of the last 19 midterms. In other words, midterms like 2022 happen about a third of the time — way too frequently to count them out.

(snip)

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/2022-predictions-i-got-wrong/

calimary

(83,690 posts)
23. So now he's a Peter-Thiel wholly-owned subsidiary?
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 04:27 PM
Jul 19

Response to Native (Reply #4)

wryter2000

(47,191 posts)
22. I didn't
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 04:21 PM
Jul 19

Thanks.

Native

(6,170 posts)
26. there have been a couple of posts about it here, but not many
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 05:10 PM
Jul 19

and easily missed.

ananda

(30,201 posts)
21. I've been taking it that way for awhile.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 04:18 PM
Jul 19

I feel as though a lot of polls are that way.

GoreWon2000

(833 posts)
3. Great work exposing this!
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 01:45 PM
Jul 19

allegorical oracle

(2,879 posts)
7. Odd, have been watching Nate for years. Suspiciously. Not surprised. THX for post. nt
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 01:52 PM
Jul 19

WhiteTara

(30,070 posts)
8. Another outsider trying to buy a country
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 01:52 PM
Jul 19

through our elections.

KPN

(16,010 posts)
10. Yes ... and it's getting very old. These "outsiders" are/were
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 02:59 PM
Jul 19

immigrants. Far more dangerous immigrants than all of those coming in (documented or not) through our southern border.

mtngirl47

(1,061 posts)
14. I said the exact same thing yesterday to a friend
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 03:27 PM
Jul 19

I included Musk, Thiel, and Murdoch as the dangerous immigrants.

karin_sj

(1,032 posts)
9. We need to get the word out
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 02:57 PM
Jul 19

This is a BFD!

Fla Dem

(25,405 posts)
11. Never thought he was very good when he was with 538. Did not think his results were very accurate.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 03:02 PM
Jul 19

surfered

(2,230 posts)
13. Hmmmm.,,Current 538 polling shows Biden leading?
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 03:15 PM
Jul 19

Double bluffle?

niyad

(118,571 posts)
15. Keith Olbermann had some things to say about nate several months ago.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 03:32 PM
Jul 19

None of them complimentary.

patphil

(6,824 posts)
17. I was getting very skeptical of Nate Silver; not surprised he's ben purchased by right wing money.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 03:50 PM
Jul 19

Was surprised he's not with 538 any more, but it figures.

Punx

(454 posts)
18. Very Interesting...
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 04:05 PM
Jul 19

Billionaire money is infesting everything. I for one, can't call Nate Silver impartrial at this point.

2naSalit

(91,374 posts)
19. People with too much money...
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 04:14 PM
Jul 19

Are on a campaign to ratfuck their way into complete power, pay attention.

OMGWTF

(4,343 posts)
20. Everyone has their price.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 04:15 PM
Jul 19

calimary

(83,690 posts)
24. Boy, no kidding.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 04:28 PM
Jul 19

k55f5r

(357 posts)
27. Reminded me of this -
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 05:11 PM
Jul 19
Too Much Rope - Roger Water
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When the sleigh is heavy
And the timber wolves are getting bold
You look at your companions and test
The water of their friendship, with your toe
And they significantly edge
Closer to the gold
Each man has his price, Bob
And yours was pretty low

GB_RN

(3,019 posts)
25. Nate Silver Has...
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 04:45 PM
Jul 19

Sold himself out. And the fact that he’s gay makes this all the more disappointing - and baffling; he’s helping the very same people who’d like to stone him to death for being what he is. Same goes for Peter Thiel* himself, but worse: With this venture, he’s not just helping the people who’d just as soon spit on him. The asshole also donates money, directly.

Seriously, how any LGBTQ person can support/help out the Reichwing douchebags is beyond me. That’s like “Chickens for the Colonel”, “Roaches for Raid” or, “Slugs for salt.”

*Thiel is originally from Germany. He, of all goddamned people, should know what Reichwingers are capable of…and who the first victims of that crowd are. Seriously, did this shit stain fall asleep in his history class while in high school? 😡🤷?♂️🤦?♂️

Mersky

(5,091 posts)
28. Woah. Nate Silver left 538 in April 2023; joined Thiel's outfit in June '24
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 05:25 AM
Jul 20

I missed this at the time. Will be discussing this with some of my peeps tomorrow.

A Brutal Wonk Swap at FiveThirtyEight
Matt Stieb
MAY 19, 2023

A major election-polling shakeup began three weeks ago, when, as part of Disney’s push to cut 7,000 jobs, ABC News decided not to renew the contract of FiveThirtyEight founder Nate Silver. Though Disney has been cutting costs across the board, this was still an unexpected move: Silver has his critics, but he’s generally considered one of the best minds in election forecasting.

On Friday, the plot thickened. ABC News announced that it had hired pollster G. Elliott Morris to be the editorial director of data analytics, which also oversees the operations of FiveThirtyEight. Morris, a pollster for The Economist, is the young hotshot to the Silver Establishment: While still an undergraduate at the University of Texas, his forecasting models accurately predicted the shape of the 2018 midterms — as did Silver’s. But in the run-up to the 2020 election, Silver and Morris were yelling at each other on Twitter over differences in polling approaches.

-snip-


https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/05/fivethirtyeight-hires-g-elliott-morris-loses-nate-silver.html

BradBo

(605 posts)
29. Thiel made Silver and offer he couldn't refuse.
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 11:07 AM
Jul 20

Bags of silver, many ,many bags.

Baitball Blogger

(47,587 posts)
30. But, didn't 538 show Biden winning?
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 11:10 AM
Jul 20

whathehell

(29,587 posts)
31. Love it!
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 12:06 PM
Jul 20

Roc2020

(1,689 posts)
32. Thanks for the info
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 12:08 PM
Jul 20

Alice Kramden

(2,354 posts)
33. K&R
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 12:59 PM
Jul 20

Good information

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